Pay extra to use at 100% of capabilities something already paid, it seems a new trend to drain more money from users pokets. It was also mentioned by Louis Rossmann in a recent video about Zero motorcycles.
We'll end up paying subscriptions for all kinds of stuff without owning anything if we plan to keep living in this planet long therm. It's the only way to make companies move on from planed obsolescence. We better get used to it.
@@hondaguy9153 that I get somewhat cause it lengthens the life of the batteries. But it should definitely be a free option to say fuck that and go balls to the walls and get 100% capacity all the time
That is the automotive future. If you aren't gonna lose the option do own and drive your own car in the first place then they will become a subscription service themselves or have other nasty money pits within them. Next to the fact that modern cars start to become misteriously unreliable just after manufacturer warranty ended. And that's why I already drive a 22 year old rust bucked and enjoy every second of it.
No need to worry at all. Just get referred to your friend favourite polish mechanic, he'll fix it permanently for a third of the price of the annual subscription
It being a supscription feature is hilariously tragic. I look forward to when I can buy a used one in twenty years that has an unfixable bug and is constantly locked to the left giving me that drift feeling everywhere I go.
The ones I have fixed on old hondas last forever and are easy to service, It's just a second steering rack. I wouldn't put it past MB to make it unservicable however.
@@nobodynoone2500 They'll software lock post service alignment or something along those lines behind proprietary closed source software tools. Either that or straight up booby trap it so any unplugging gets registered as a 'maintenance error' which leaves it spitting out 'go to dealership' messages.
@@nobodynoone2500 something I wish he would've touched on a but more is that in those old Hondas it was all mechanical. Entirely just gears and rods hooked up to the front. If that shit broke you could probably MacGyver something and get it back up and running. Mercedes rw steering relies a ton on computer systems and if they break I guarantee you that even if you replace it with entirely oem parts it'll still throw an error code and need to you to reprogram the computer with expensive proprietory equipment to accept the new parts
@@bilalmalik5002 yeah, a guy i know (who happens to be a really good mechanic) had his ecu wiped due to some rain with the hood open, and he just said "f*** it and pulled everything out and put a carb on it. Sounds easy, it wasn't
Mitsubushi had a Galant model (possibly the VR4 - I can't remember) in the early '90's with rear steering too. I believe it was active rather than passive, but only a small angle. The far more common application for 4 wheel steering than monster trucks is agricultural and some off highway machinery such as some JCB Loadall and Fastrac models. I would guess that this is exactly where the monster trucks took their 4 wheel steer technology from, as they either used to or still do source their axles from that kind of machinery too. As for paying a subscription to unlock a feature which you have already paid for the hardware for, I know where Mercedes can shove that idea!
The nissan HICAS 4ws system was reliable for the most part and still is. The reason why many fit a lockout bar is because drivers wanted a more predictable drive rather than the maneuverability, which could be tuned into the car in other ways.
Nissan's SUPER HICAS in the 300zx is fun to drive with tbh. i have to get used to it at higher speeds but after some time it is actually kinda predictable and can improve laptimes when used well by a skilled driver
This is a total BS story and it really was done back in the 90s. This is just a Mercedes advertisement. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steering#Four-wheel_steering
4 wheel steering and ultra complex suspension... I've needed a rear anti roll bar bushing for 2years, I'd never keep up with that level of maintenance! 😂
@@MotorsportTukker No you wouldn't... Electric cars are built using magical materials mined by dwarves and the electricity comes from power plants using refined unicorn farts.
yes on Citroen Xsara and Peug 306 there where "bushing steering", but was scary and not easy at high speed. Honda on the Civic type R EP3 had a rear lower arm compliance to give toe in under stress .... a lot of usefull solution has been done (multilinks for example) for those high speed stability. for me the clever is the prelude 3gen one, full mechanical
Alfa GTV (916) rear suspension (Wikipedia): "The design of this geometry, and the fine tuning of the bushes, is such that during initial stages of a turn, the centrifugal forces create a small 'rear wheel steer' effect in the opposite direction to the way the front wheels are being pointed. Then, as the centrifugal forces build up through the corner, the rear wheels start steering in the same direction as the front wheels." Edit: I see other comments about the French doing the same back in the '90s. Interesting.
In the 156 it's barely noticeable but in the 147 the effect can be felt a lot and is scary when tje road is uneven, not sure if related but the 147 likes to jump from the back when on a curve.
GM trucks (USA) had optional mechanical rear wheel steer for some years. As I recall the rear steering linkage was connected to the front by a rotating shaft. Around the center it did nothing. Only when you cranked in lots of steering lock such as when doing a tight turn, it would counter steer. No idea how well it worked but I haven’t seen it for years.
My thoughts too, after watching the video the first 30 to 60 seconds. It wasn't until towards the end of the video that he mentions that other manufacturers use the technology.
@@gavcom4060 prelude doesn't need that much. It's a short car. The maximum same-direction steering angle is 1.5 degrees, and the maximum counter-steering angle is 5.3 degrees. This was also 100% mechanical and the first production car to have it. Still it's nothing new, old tech making it back around in a new age.
2:15 how silly it would be to carry with you a system that you can’t use because you don’t want it? then at some point it you pay extra for some repairs that is more expensive because mechanics need to deal with that system to have access to what they need
If I recall correctly, Citroën and also BMW did have this feature (always with a smaller steering angle) on some of their higher end and higher finitions cars.
I believe the citroën xantia activa had it. It also had adaptive hydropneumatic suspension which made it the best handling car i know of to this day. So much so that cars like the porsche gt3 wouldn't be able to keep up with it if they had the same engine. And it was crazy comfortable
Although not as extreme (3 degree) I love it on my Laguna 3 GT. Makes it in tight turns just that more nimble. At higher speeds I can't really notice it, other than the car is very nice to handle for a 'normal' estate car.
Because it didn't really help handling that much, had more stuff to break, and freaked out crappy mechanics. It's just another steering rack. Nothing complicated.
That system is awesome, but I’d love to see its maintenance costs and repair costs before I wish for it on my car. Although, I don’t need it because I drive a little Golf GTI. Also, subscription based software updates for already installed equipment should be illegal. I’m sure, eventually, tuners will find a way in and be able to permanently activate the system.
I had a prelude about 20 years back that had 4wheel steering and I had one without and even though it was only about 2 and a 1/2 degrees it made a huge difference In the turning radius
The 575€/year for the 10° rear wheel steering seems to be a missunderstanding, because it's a 1500€ option in the online configurator. Afaik merc only offers subscriptions for things like SOS calls, live traffic updates and (altough now discontinued) gas station prices.
There is no way I would ever pay for a subscription for a feature that doesn't use internet connectivity or some other reason that it continues to cost the automaker to let me use it. Of course I am in no position to buy a S-class.
Nice to see this making a come back. I had this in my old Vtec Prelude, great in tight spots and actually super stable and fun on the track. A drawback was that not many places knew how to properly perform a wheel alignment. Very few places had the necessary rear steering rack centre locking pin. th-cam.com/video/sldOdWYzW7U/w-d-xo.html
I just finished leaving a comment about my prelude wasn't that absolutely great card they were absolute little rockets super stable at high speed and even though it was only 2 and a 1/2 degrees it it made a huge difference in the turning radius It's funny I used to track mine also and I thought it made It a lot more stable In the corners
I bought that pin that was a group buy one off thing done by someone on a forum so I could do my assignment after converting my 91 Si to 4ws. I bought the 4ws stuff, found out it needed to be rebuilt, never put any other money into it. Eventually I threw the parts away about 6 years after I sold the car. I couldn't get anyone to buy them and I was tired of dragging them around when I moved. 😂
I love the technology that Mercedes puts in their vehicles, but I absolutely hate that they make you pay to use the hardware that's already there. Those cars are already very expensive
Speaking from a mechanical point, in about 10 years or so when everything is semi seized up and rotten their going to be loads of fun to work on, even more so than older S-Classes are now.
I see a lot of people crying about that Mercedes wasn't the first. Watch the freaking video please. At around 03:00 he is literally explaining multiple brands (like honda, renault and porsche) were before Mercedes.
@@KepleroGT Because this video was about the Mercedes S class. He used mercedes as an example. That does not mean that he is saying Merc is the only one
It's like a fire truck! Years ago, maybe the 1990's, this tech was demonstrated on a fire truck in Sacramento, CA. Most large fire trucks rear wheels are controlled by the tillerman / rear driver, but the engine/truck demonstrated at the show was operated by the driver.
Imagine driving off the parking space right next to the sidewalk/wall, you turn the steering full lock, and then when you drive off, the rear wheel climbs the sidewalk, or hits the wall due to that back end swing.
Mazda, Honda and Nissan all had 4 wheel steer in the 90s and the Skyline was also AWD. No body ever really liked them other than for the oddity as the extra points of failure added very little under most conditions and just contributed extra maintenence costs.... Wouldn't mind an R32 GTR when I was a mechanic and had a wheel aligner but now I'd just prefer simple well built IRS.
I once saw a video of a bmw 7 series (if i remember right) that had rear wheel steering but it was broken so the car was always steering left with the rear wheels, this looked funny when driving straight. F* Mercedes for that paid software to make the rear wheels steer more... Utterly insane.
4 wheel steering has also been implemented in pickup trucks in North America over the years with mixed response. This was in order to assist in also maneuvering trailers into tight locations.
The Skyline R32 GT-R also has All Wheel Steering, but you don’t see the Rear Wheels turning if you are far away from it, but if you look closer you can clearly see it has All Wheel Steering, but some are removes.
1:13 "It sounds quite scary" No it doesn't, it sounds bloody awesome. I've always wondered why there are so few cars with rear steer given its benefits.
It always comes down to cost. Reliability second, and (sadly) safety third. It's a brilliant idea that should honestly go back to the drawing board at all manufacturers, but it probably would under the same subscription model Mercedes is using. Stuff that the car comes equipped with should just be usable from day one and not paywalled. If you want it, then it gets physically installed as well as the required software installed.
Japanese pioneered Active 4ws systems in the late 80s and early 90s. The 4th gen prelude had an Electric steering rack controlled by an ECU at the rear.
Rear wheel steering is being used in Mercedes-Benz Coaches with 3 axles for years. It uses electro-hydrolic actuaters for steering 3rd axles for manuevers. So it’s not new for MB and reliability in coaches wasn’t an issue.
Had a ‘88 Mazda 626 4WS loved it. It was an electro-mechanical system similar to MB. Those interested should check out Honda’s purely mechanical system that was shear genus!
The Volkswagen Touareg has had rear wheel steering as an option since 2018, and it reduces the turning radius of the large SUV to that of a Volkswagen Golf! This is the same platform and system shared with the Audi Q7, Q8, Porsche Cayenne, Bentley Bentayga and the Lamborghini Urus, and they all feature the same rear wheel steering system.
Some Peugeots had spring-loaded rear spindles that would want to stay straight but would eventually budge when you exceed certain loads. I think the first 306 had that
In fact, they're not exactly spring-loaded - they use a torsion beam with offset spindles. This way, each spindle can flex left to right and then spring back to canter
I know this type of steering from solar car racing, the Belgian team in 2017 used this to achieve the turning requirements with a smaller body and sail better in sidewind
Mercedes have had Passive Rear steering in many years. Thats some of the reasons the suspension hasn't changed much I the C and E klasse since the W201. I think my Seat have passiv steering to becaus it's feels lik the harder you push the car in a corner the sharper it would turn. (Leon 2011) same suspension as Passat, Touran, Golf, Audi A3 and Skoda Octavia
Honda had this steering on their prelude back in 1988! Mazda had this system on a concept car back in 1984! So interesting that this is now palletable to Europeans it never failed on Japanese cars even after 30 years. If it’s going to fail at all with modern Mercedes’ reliability it’s bound to fail on an S class
A subscription to 10 degrees of steering has to be the saddest thing I have ever heard in my life lololol
Pay extra to use at 100% of capabilities something already paid, it seems a new trend to drain more money from users pokets.
It was also mentioned by Louis Rossmann in a recent video about Zero motorcycles.
We'll end up paying subscriptions for all kinds of stuff without owning anything if we plan to keep living in this planet long therm. It's the only way to make companies move on from planed obsolescence. We better get used to it.
@@Fulmynato ahh a man of culture i see
And worse, Mercedes won't even offer rear axle steering in the UK. Such wusses.
@@Ion1212g yeah this kind of mentality is what allows them to get away with it
Having to pay for hardware that is already built into your car that you have already paid for, is just straight up extortion
Pay once, maybe, MAYBE justifiable. As a subscription? Fuck that and fuck them!
Sounds like Tesla. All batteries are the same but lower capacity cars are just software locked.
@@hondaguy9153 that I get somewhat cause it lengthens the life of the batteries. But it should definitely be a free option to say fuck that and go balls to the walls and get 100% capacity all the time
That is the automotive future. If you aren't gonna lose the option do own and drive your own car in the first place then they will become a subscription service themselves or have other nasty money pits within them. Next to the fact that modern cars start to become misteriously unreliable just after manufacturer warranty ended.
And that's why I already drive a 22 year old rust bucked and enjoy every second of it.
No need to worry at all. Just get referred to your friend favourite polish mechanic, he'll fix it permanently for a third of the price of the annual subscription
It being a supscription feature is hilariously tragic. I look forward to when I can buy a used one in twenty years that has an unfixable bug and is constantly locked to the left giving me that drift feeling everywhere I go.
The ones I have fixed on old hondas last forever and are easy to service, It's just a second steering rack. I wouldn't put it past MB to make it unservicable however.
@@nobodynoone2500 They'll software lock post service alignment or something along those lines behind proprietary closed source software tools.
Either that or straight up booby trap it so any unplugging gets registered as a 'maintenance error' which leaves it spitting out 'go to dealership' messages.
subscription runs out just as you round a corner and the wheels lock in whatever position they were in :D
@@nobodynoone2500 something I wish he would've touched on a but more is that in those old Hondas it was all mechanical. Entirely just gears and rods hooked up to the front. If that shit broke you could probably MacGyver something and get it back up and running. Mercedes rw steering relies a ton on computer systems and if they break I guarantee you that even if you replace it with entirely oem parts it'll still throw an error code and need to you to reprogram the computer with expensive proprietory equipment to accept the new parts
Can't wait for someone to figure out how to jailbreak a Mercedes
Exactly what i though. I assume there is some way to hack it so you don't have to pay a subscription to a car you already own
@@bisken6547 I hate ECUs.. yes they make it more flipping efficient but who cares if we end up paying more to line the executives pockets anyway.
@@bilalmalik5002 yeah, a guy i know (who happens to be a really good mechanic) had his ecu wiped due to some rain with the hood open, and he just said "f*** it and pulled everything out and put a carb on it. Sounds easy, it wasn't
Wow, this is so genius and revolutionary, there is just one catch. Other brands used it as far as 30 years ago...
The puma had this in ww2 lmao
300zx TT had it as well
old gtr
The old 1980s Honda prelude had 4ws
monster trucks
a subscription to a hardware component already installed onto your vehicle, sounds incredibly dystopian.
liberal globalism, normalization of organised degeneracy
*cough* Tesla *cough*
Mitsubushi had a Galant model (possibly the VR4 - I can't remember) in the early '90's with rear steering too. I believe it was active rather than passive, but only a small angle. The far more common application for 4 wheel steering than monster trucks is agricultural and some off highway machinery such as some JCB Loadall and Fastrac models. I would guess that this is exactly where the monster trucks took their 4 wheel steer technology from, as they either used to or still do source their axles from that kind of machinery too. As for paying a subscription to unlock a feature which you have already paid for the hardware for, I know where Mercedes can shove that idea!
300ZX had it too
@@farchanmuhammad7850 Skyline did too. It's just not common enough, so every time it is added it is being treated as "brand new thing"
Honda prelude and several Subarus too.
alot of JDM car had 4ws in the 90s also renault megan rs has it this is nothing new like you said
It was VR4 Galant. Hydraulic. Also Honda Prelude.
The nissan HICAS 4ws system was reliable for the most part and still is. The reason why many fit a lockout bar is because drivers wanted a more predictable drive rather than the maneuverability, which could be tuned into the car in other ways.
Nissan's SUPER HICAS in the 300zx is fun to drive with tbh. i have to get used to it at higher speeds but after some time it is actually kinda predictable and can improve laptimes when used well by a skilled driver
This is a total BS story and it really was done back in the 90s.
This is just a Mercedes advertisement.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steering#Four-wheel_steering
@Adam A. The last thing you want is your car to oversteer unexpectedly with the rear wheels rotated during a drift. HICAS is only good for grip.
4 wheel steering and ultra complex suspension... I've needed a rear anti roll bar bushing for 2years, I'd never keep up with that level of maintenance! 😂
but what if it is a electric car
That's why it's in the S class and Maybachs only
@@Very_Grumpy_Cat u still need to maintain it…
@@MotorsportTukker No you wouldn't... Electric cars are built using magical materials mined by dwarves and the electricity comes from power plants using refined unicorn farts.
@@C.Fecteau-AU-MJ13 u need to maintain every car, otherwise it will look like shit, just cuz it’s electric doesn’t mean the car is maintaince free
The 2002 RX-7 FD Spirit R used passive rear wheel steering through bushing compliance.
similar stuff also on old citroens if I remember correctly
Would probably be considered a safety risk if one ever broke full tilt
yes on Citroen Xsara and Peug 306 there where "bushing steering", but was scary and not easy at high speed.
Honda on the Civic type R EP3 had a rear lower arm compliance to give toe in under stress .... a lot of usefull solution has been done (multilinks for example) for those high speed stability. for me the clever is the prelude 3gen one, full mechanical
@@Yapudo Passive rear steering on the Xsara was great, and not at all scary. Citation: I owned a VTS.
I tought that it was only the fc
Alfa GTV (916) rear suspension (Wikipedia): "The design of this geometry, and the fine tuning of the bushes, is such that during initial stages of a turn, the centrifugal forces create a small 'rear wheel steer' effect in the opposite direction to the way the front wheels are being pointed. Then, as the centrifugal forces build up through the corner, the rear wheels start steering in the same direction as the front wheels."
Edit: I see other comments about the French doing the same back in the '90s. Interesting.
And the Japanese before that.
@Edward Elizabeth Hitler Ah - no, I was talking about proper 'active' 4 wheel steering like on the Honda Prelude
In the 156 it's barely noticeable but in the 147 the effect can be felt a lot and is scary when tje road is uneven, not sure if related but the 147 likes to jump from the back when on a curve.
GM trucks (USA) had optional mechanical rear wheel steer for some years. As I recall the rear steering linkage was connected to the front by a rotating shaft. Around the center it did nothing. Only when you cranked in lots of steering lock such as when doing a tight turn, it would counter steer. No idea how well it worked but I haven’t seen it for years.
It got progressively cheaper and cheaper til they discontinued it. Called it Quadrasteer, offered on the towing class of pickup
Hasn't this already been done, by almost everyone ?
Yup! Even Renault has been doing this for 10 or more years.
@@patriotbarrow yep and it costs 60k less 😅
My thoughts too, after watching the video the first 30 to 60 seconds. It wasn't until towards the end of the video that he mentions that other manufacturers use the technology.
Saab did this back in the 90's...
And Audi did this with their A8 and even the side crash protection by lifting the car.
Sure, everyone's done it, but no one charged a monthly subscription fee for it.
Rear wheel steering has been something the Honda Prelude had since the 1980’s. The base Acura TLX has RWS too.
Right nothing new here. My 88 prelude is 4ws
did it also have 10 degrees of steering angle, and was adaptable to its environment?
@@gavcom4060 prelude doesn't need that much. It's a short car. The maximum same-direction steering angle is 1.5 degrees, and the maximum counter-steering angle is 5.3 degrees. This was also 100% mechanical and the first production car to have it. Still it's nothing new, old tech making it back around in a new age.
@@gavcom4060 and yes it did adapt based on speed and direction.
@@MeppyMan The mechanical RWS of the third gen Honda's did not adjust by speed, just by steering angle, but were still excellent.
Makes me think of James May's stretched Limo when they started messing about with the other ends steering and broke his steering wheel off
£575 a year to be able to steer? Suppose they've gotta cover the fines for all the lying about emissions somehow 🤷♂️🙈
@Adam A. Tesla already did that I think
2:15 how silly it would be to carry with you a system that you can’t use because you don’t want it? then at some point it you pay extra for some repairs that is more expensive because mechanics need to deal with that system to have access to what they need
They added yearly subscriptions to cars 💀💀
Wow. I am so impressed... My 30 years old Honda can do that
Yeah, but you don't pay a yearly subscription fee for the privilege.
Get with the times man.
@@CraftAero that would be a dream for me :)) To get in trend
If I recall correctly, Citroën and also BMW did have this feature (always with a smaller steering angle) on some of their higher end and higher finitions cars.
Renault as well
@@rotorblade9508 Yep they did but they were mentionned in the video :)
Also all the VAG premium brands have it. (Audi, Porsche, Bentley)
@ Yes they do but I think they were mentionned in the video or other comments :)
I believe the citroën xantia activa had it. It also had adaptive hydropneumatic suspension which made it the best handling car i know of to this day. So much so that cars like the porsche gt3 wouldn't be able to keep up with it if they had the same engine. And it was crazy comfortable
Imagine the service center telling you that you need to pay to repair the faulty rear steering system that you aren't subscribed too
Although not as extreme (3 degree) I love it on my Laguna 3 GT. Makes it in tight turns just that more nimble. At higher speeds I can't really notice it, other than the car is very nice to handle for a 'normal' estate car.
You have to pay a £500 annual subscription to TURN?!
welcome to the future of cars
Prelude already had this in the 80s. Wonder why it didn’t become more common
I did wheel alignment on one, what a nightmare!
This would also make the cars more complicated, more expensive and less reliable.
And most small cars don’t need it.
Because it didn't really help handling that much, had more stuff to break, and freaked out crappy mechanics. It's just another steering rack. Nothing complicated.
@@Petriefied0246 I have too, It was just as easy as any other car. If you can't handle rear wheels that turn how did you ever align a front end? lmao.
@@GrillerRohde oh no, the honda 4ws system was (and is) extremely reliable
That system is awesome, but I’d love to see its maintenance costs and repair costs before I wish for it on my car. Although, I don’t need it because I drive a little Golf GTI.
Also, subscription based software updates for already installed equipment should be illegal. I’m sure, eventually, tuners will find a way in and be able to permanently activate the system.
I had a prelude about 20 years back that had 4wheel steering and I had one without and even though it was only about 2 and a 1/2 degrees it made a huge difference In the turning radius
A yearly subscription to use your car to the fullest capacity? I dont like this dsytoptian future we are coming to.
The 575€/year for the 10° rear wheel steering seems to be a missunderstanding, because it's a 1500€ option in the online configurator. Afaik merc only offers subscriptions for things like SOS calls, live traffic updates and (altough now discontinued) gas station prices.
There is no way I would ever pay for a subscription for a feature that doesn't use internet connectivity or some other reason that it continues to cost the automaker to let me use it.
Of course I am in no position to buy a S-class.
It's pretty reprehensible morally, whether you're wealthy enough or not.
Nice to see this making a come back. I had this in my old Vtec Prelude, great in tight spots and actually super stable and fun on the track. A drawback was that not many places knew how to properly perform a wheel alignment. Very few places had the necessary rear steering rack centre locking pin. th-cam.com/video/sldOdWYzW7U/w-d-xo.html
Honda boys shaking their heads at the title of the vid 😂
I just finished leaving a comment about my prelude wasn't that absolutely great card they were absolute little rockets super stable at high speed and even though it was only 2 and a 1/2 degrees it it made a huge difference in the turning radius It's funny I used to track mine also and I thought it made It a lot more stable In the corners
I bought that pin that was a group buy one off thing done by someone on a forum so I could do my assignment after converting my 91 Si to 4ws. I bought the 4ws stuff, found out it needed to be rebuilt, never put any other money into it. Eventually I threw the parts away about 6 years after I sold the car. I couldn't get anyone to buy them and I was tired of dragging them around when I moved. 😂
I love the technology that Mercedes puts in their vehicles, but I absolutely hate that they make you pay to use the hardware that's already there. Those cars are already very expensive
Speaking from a mechanical point, in about 10 years or so when everything is semi seized up and rotten their going to be loads of fun to work on, even more so than older S-Classes are now.
a lot of luxury cars have this and even the renault megane rs
And as a bonus you don't need to pay to use your steering
That’s what he said in the video
@@GrillerRohde And yet you are here trumpetting about it! :D
2:59 also large tractors
e.g. claas xerion
or also some smaller ones
pay 600 dollars a year to use rear wheel steering which is already there! WTF
I never thought I would see a subscription for a function on a car ever
James May pioneered this concept back in the top gear days! This is slightly more refined but I am sure he was consulting Mercedes
His steering wheel falling off is one of the funniest things I've ever seen
If you're looking for another big, german thing that has four-wheel-steer: Claas Xerion 5000
How innovative, I’ve always wanted a heavy and long 4-door mx6
When I had this on my 1991 honda prelude and to see you so excited about it makes me smile.
Now we about to crack mercs so we don't pay the monthly bill
Honda Prelude had this in the 80s. Congrats Mercedes for finally catching up.
I see a lot of people crying about that Mercedes wasn't the first. Watch the freaking video please. At around 03:00 he is literally explaining multiple brands (like honda, renault and porsche) were before Mercedes.
Obligatory "WhAt AbOuT NisSaN?!"
Alright, so why does he say that Mercedes did it in the title and the first half of the video?
@@KepleroGT I mean, Mercedes did do it. They just weren't first.
@@KepleroGT Because this video was about the Mercedes S class. He used mercedes as an example. That does not mean that he is saying Merc is the only one
It's because he talks about it like it's one of the seven wonders of the world. It isn't.
And people are responding to his bullshit.
It's like a fire truck! Years ago, maybe the 1990's, this tech was demonstrated on a fire truck in Sacramento, CA. Most large fire trucks rear wheels are controlled by the tillerman / rear driver, but the engine/truck demonstrated at the show was operated by the driver.
Imagine driving off the parking space right next to the sidewalk/wall, you turn the steering full lock, and then when you drive off, the rear wheel climbs the sidewalk, or hits the wall due to that back end swing.
The early Mazda 929 used this. I recalled it used a shaft that connect the steering rack up front with one in the back. (That's a long time ago)
BMW has had it on the 7 series and the 5GT
And honda 2 decades before them. It's old tech.
Mazda, Honda and Nissan all had 4 wheel steer in the 90s and the Skyline was also AWD. No body ever really liked them other than for the oddity as the extra points of failure added very little under most conditions and just contributed extra maintenence costs.... Wouldn't mind an R32 GTR when I was a mechanic and had a wheel aligner but now I'd just prefer simple well built IRS.
I once saw a video of a bmw 7 series (if i remember right) that had rear wheel steering but it was broken so the car was always steering left with the rear wheels, this looked funny when driving straight.
F* Mercedes for that paid software to make the rear wheels steer more... Utterly insane.
4 wheel steering has also been implemented in pickup trucks in North America over the years with mixed response. This was in order to assist in also maneuvering trailers into tight locations.
So a Nissan hicas system from a 90s GT-R, 300zx or 180sx
Hahaha well I see he covered that towards the end
I had a mazda mx-6 95model year . Did the same, opposite turn in lower speed and above 40km same way movement. Felt like magic in highway.
I'm working on putting 4 wheel steering in a geo tracker. Literally the shortest off road car i could find. It will be hilarious
The Mitshubishi pajero mini is a thing
2:25 Stuff like this should be illegal.
This isn't anything new, the first Honda Prelude did this back in the the 80's.
Yeah, my 1990 3rd gen prelude has it, and i love it that every brand that started to use it, introdues it like its some new shit :D
New electric truck also have rear wheel steering sometime
Can't wait to see an older S class in a few years just suddenly swap ends on the highway. 😳🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Skyline R32 GT-R also has All Wheel Steering, but you don’t see the Rear Wheels turning if you are far away from it, but if you look closer you can clearly see it has All Wheel Steering, but some are removes.
These are the kind of videos we get when the creator doesn't do their research 😅
What is wrong with this video?
@@GrillerRohde It's clickbait pure and simple and quite bad at that. Take sam nutella and go play ;)
1:13 "It sounds quite scary" No it doesn't, it sounds bloody awesome. I've always wondered why there are so few cars with rear steer given its benefits.
It always comes down to cost. Reliability second, and (sadly) safety third. It's a brilliant idea that should honestly go back to the drawing board at all manufacturers, but it probably would under the same subscription model Mercedes is using. Stuff that the car comes equipped with should just be usable from day one and not paywalled. If you want it, then it gets physically installed as well as the required software installed.
This sounds like a very expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist
Incentive for features like that is genius imo.
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This feature is Mostly - Somewhat common in Monster Trucks.
Honda did this in the early 80s with the Prelude. 🙄
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Can't be bothered to watch that far after a enduring a 2-minute wall of Merc advertising.
Japanese pioneered Active 4ws systems in the late 80s and early 90s. The 4th gen prelude had an Electric steering rack controlled by an ECU at the rear.
Didn’t Audi do this years ago
Honda did it in the early 80s.
Rear wheel steering is being used in Mercedes-Benz Coaches with 3 axles for years. It uses electro-hydrolic actuaters for steering 3rd axles for manuevers. So it’s not new for MB and reliability in coaches wasn’t an issue.
Lol that's nothing new, we already had that in the 80's. Everything that is comming out "new" is already old.
Had a ‘88 Mazda 626 4WS loved it. It was an electro-mechanical system similar to MB. Those interested should check out Honda’s purely mechanical system that was shear genus!
Crabbing on the freeway/motorway is coming back baby! I've missed seeing this 😂
I am really sad after hearing that fu*king subscription feature
The Volkswagen Touareg has had rear wheel steering as an option since 2018, and it reduces the turning radius of the large SUV to that of a Volkswagen Golf! This is the same platform and system shared with the Audi Q7, Q8, Porsche Cayenne, Bentley Bentayga and the Lamborghini Urus, and they all feature the same rear wheel steering system.
0:25 my car is 4.9meters😂
I would love to see this in a racing car! Though it is complex, it would be beneficial for cornering (like in rally)
The most useful application for rear wheel steering is used a lot on big trucks and trailers for city deliveries
Some Peugeots had spring-loaded rear spindles that would want to stay straight but would eventually budge when you exceed certain loads. I think the first 306 had that
In fact, they're not exactly spring-loaded - they use a torsion beam with offset spindles. This way, each spindle can flex left to right and then spring back to canter
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Honda had this on various cars in the 80's and 90's already. My uncles Prelude for one...
Everything is GENIUS in your titles
"...their car suddenly turns into a forklift" was the unexpected phrase I didn't know I wanted 😆
What about Benetton form 80' with steering rear wheels ??
I know this type of steering from solar car racing, the Belgian team in 2017 used this to achieve the turning requirements with a smaller body and sail better in sidewind
I think the Lamborghini Sesto Elemento has 4 wheel steering as well, but it's such a rare car nobody notices anyway, and it's track only.
Gm had it before?
What a masterpiece of modern engineering 😱
"Genius" Renault had it since 20 years ago, even had it in the Megane RS, even Honda had it in the 80s
Audi also has some models with all wheel steering
My friend in Seattle had a Honda that would turn with rear wheels as well. So I think the Japanese beat the Germans at this.
Mercedes have had Passive Rear steering in many years. Thats some of the reasons the suspension hasn't changed much I the C and E klasse since the W201. I think my Seat have passiv steering to becaus it's feels lik the harder you push the car in a corner the sharper it would turn. (Leon 2011) same suspension as Passat, Touran, Golf, Audi A3 and Skoda Octavia
Some cars have Lexus-look lights after IS200, now they have Honda-Prelude-like steering after 90's Honda Prelude IV gen.
Some HGV have had it many years and some trailers also have a steering axel.
My ten year old renault has it. Very handy.
I wish my Ducato 2011 van has this.I would go in small spaces more easily
You are absolutely right. It's too risky. What's next, they're gonna make a car that drives by itself.
1:40 dunno why you highlighted the outer diameter of the tire, unnecessarily misleading
Many cars have rear steering axles. It is not something unheard of.
Seriously? A subscription??
the galant 6g has a version with 4ws it was a success on rally racing
my 2017 renault espace has 4 wheel steering and it is really manuverable and extremelly easy to park...
That vs the daihatsu mira avanzato
Ah and I drove the m8 on a racetrack which has that too. it just feels super weird at high speeds.
Honda had this steering on their prelude back in 1988! Mazda had this system on a concept car back in 1984! So interesting that this is now palletable to Europeans it never failed on Japanese cars even after 30 years. If it’s going to fail at all with modern Mercedes’ reliability it’s bound to fail on an S class