Small displacement engines definitely struggle with towing fuel economy, especially under heavy loads or heavy strain (soft sand). It's the trade off as is longevity compared to bigger engines. Bigger engines are thirsty under normal driving (empty) but when the loads are added, that's where they pay off.
Hi Ronny, great to see ya at the Adelaide 4x4 show on Friday👍🏼 The quick fix for the man cave door hitting the jockey wheel is to flip the wheel 180 inwards. Problem solved👍🏼👍🏼 had the same issue…
I don't think you can compare a trailer and a caravan for Ronny's Kind of usage. Mostly small, tight tracks with low clearence. The weight and the mere chance of (inevitable) damage to a caravan would make it prohibative. I have a 23 ft caravan with all the fruit, but after watching Ronny's video's, which originally started because I've just ordered a new Hilux and saw his project by chance, I am now looking at combining the two. Decking out the Hilux to do back to roots camping as well as retaining my 200 and caravan for those different type of trips. In general Ronny loving the videos. Really helpful in picking out what's relevant for me and making informed decisions etc. so from that perspective, I couldn't ask for more. See around the roads in Wangara and beyond. Cheers and thanks
Great review. I also had the infuriating problem with the jockey wheel interfering with the opening of the man cave. I found a solution by just loosening off the clamp bracket bolts and twisting it ever so slightly so that the grease nipple on the wheel drops into the gap in the drawbar frame and suddenly there’s clearance. Takes 10 minutes and so much better. Also, made up aluminium wind shields for the stove for windy conditions and the stove works great too!
Ronny, you can get a valve which will bypass the water in the "hot" line so it flows back into the tank until the water going through the valve gets hot. You turn the hot tap on and no water flows out until it is hot. Reduces the water wastage you described.
Cheers for the unbiased review mate. Convinced me to take the plunge and become part of the Patriot Family. Picked up my X1 N yesterday and looking forward to the adventures ahead.👍
Hi Ronny, many thanks for a very informatively inside user view and comparison. Scrolling to the reviews, the old question comes every time back from the audience: trailer vs. van. Actually for such an experienced audience it should not be brought into comparison. The one fits all is not feasible! Living full time in a off-road van limits you to where you can go and not. But can carry the things required to stay out for months or even years without a house as base camp. Going out for a couple weeks with a off-road trailer nearly anywhere but with the limited fit out, requires a base camp, house or apartment to return to. Our solution would be: We have an off-road caravan for live-in and would be glad for more extreme trips to rent such a compact off-road trailer if possible. It’s all subject the personal circumstances. Anyhow, that’s my point of view… Cheers…
Hi, I learned a lot from your discussion. Would you mind talking a bit more about the chemical toilet? What brand it is, the bag you have around it and where you go dump it when it’s full? Also why a chemical and not composting or other type?
Ronny...I can highly recommend a tune. We have a 2010 Prado 150 with the old 3litre D4D. We noticed a great change with fuel economy and power both towing and without. Worth it 100%. Good torque gains and notice it a lot while towing. Our issue is the 5-speed auto and torque converter. Have bought a lock-out kit, pending install, which should help with the TC running up and down on the highway
Great review. We have a different brand trailer, of similar design. We fitted a Bushman’s 270 awning. Can’t recommend it highly enough. Quick set up and down, no poles and super solid. Worth every cent. Walls available too. Worth consideration, the only con if you had to find one, little heavier than most 👍.
There are so many sliders , guides and translation systems inside the trailer . Which is of course makes it more comfortable to use but adds a lot of extra weight
A question about the different fridges used. One is an Engel (32L maybe?) and the other is... what? Asking as a soon-to-be X1-N owner who didn't option in the fridge.
G'day Ronny, crackin vid mate. At 30:53 regarding getting things out of the garage section, maybe the $5 270mm indoor broom from the big green warehouse could help, maybe even turning it around you could also flick the lightswitch on n off...
Hi Ronny, I've got an X1 with extended drawbar so I can open the rear door on my Prado. I find it still tracks well in tight spots - the extension is only 200mm. Also I have no problems opening the man cave with the jockey wheel stored on the drawbar. Maybe it's the extended drawbar but the A-frame and jockey wheel storage mount looks the same on your X1N as it does my X1. Maybe Justin or Tommy can explain? Agree reversing is more tricky the shorter the drawbar. Cheers Lee
I'm planning on building camper trailer myself (not as high tech as this one obviously) and plant a roof top tent on it. Going for one of those tents that open to the side for extra room, since I'm fairly large person and it would be nice if my wife and our kid would also fit there 😅
Talking fuel consumption in the hilux I hope he wasn’t going off what it says on the dash. Because it is super inaccurate. We use these same hiluxs for work and they chew fuel. About 15-16L/100km
the awnings leak when it rains along the seams. So you have droplets of water all along the seams. Very annoying when you are camped up in the rain. It will be good when Patriot sort this issue out. Perhaps a better awning that is self supporting would be good.
Hey Ronny, great review, we have a stockman pod trailer with a feldon shelter crows nest on it & a do35, thought you might like to look at the jockey wheel buddy, you can attach it to the jockey wheel as a permanent plate to stop it sinking into the sand
hi ronny entertaining and informative as always and love the honesty. I am wondering what you think of slide on campers like the tray on (not the big northstar). I appreciate they are more for travelling and longer stays then trips like yours but does mean no towing, which has to be a bonus in places like fraser, desert, csr, cape doesnt it?
I have a trayon slide on sitting on a 4.2td patrol and I would not trade it for anything I just love it what everyone has to realise no matter what your set up everything is a compromise but for me the trayon is as close to perfection for what I do and my circumstances.
Hi Ronny, great and honest review ! Does a tinny fit on top instead of a rooftop tent? And how does the short drawbar fit with a Troopy and 2 spares at the rear ? Cheers from europe! C.A
Would you ever consider the Alu Cab canopy camper ? Could you do a review of one on a Hilux or other truck? I would love to know your thoughts on them.
Hi Ronny very informative Video and well presented. I do have a question though where did you get the Skid Row I find the band but not the device for trailers. Many thanks
Great video Ronnie. Out of curiosity what leaf rates are you running in the back of the Hilux for towing? Im sure its been covered in prior videos but Im running 600kg constants which for towing is incredible. Unladen though is like driving around on wooden blocks and doesnt help much when driving tough terrain due to its rigidity whilst unladen.
Great video Ronny. I’ve got an X1N and couldn’t agree more with you. Left-field question; how do you get your 180 zero 23 awning into Australia buying it online in the US?
@@christurner68 please note this from me. I normally not reply to such sub commences, but like to help out with my near 20 years experience with all sort of latches and breakages thereof. 1. This stainless latches used in that size are the best you can get. 2. Adjustment of tightening plays a big rule. Everything is constantly moving on corrugated roads. So when they are to tight adjusted all the force is going to the swivel bolt and wears them out. Adjust them a tick looser, glue a thin rubber strip behind the frame as cushion and wear item easy to renew. (That is at least how I do it) 3. Next level upsize latches are far more bulkier and heavier, no place to fit and will tear apart the tongue side frame or door structure. 4th. And most important thing is: These latches are a kind of wear part in my opinion and I am happy with the live time and low cost for replacing such things regular as with bigger sturdier latches breaking the doors which would require re welding and paint jobs. Hope that could help to understand a little better the subject.
@@holgermuller2987 that’s what you get when you are greedy and buy off the shelf cheap latches as a quick fix option. Should have had more thought into the design. I hope that clears the muddy waters for you.
With the little updates during this video. Seems a little like Patriot campers vetted your video and suggested the updates prior to the public release . I hope not .
The thing is CamperTrailers can go places a Caravan cannot! I like to see you (but then again) tow a Caravan to Ronny's Camp site on the Beach, go across Dunes and whatnot with a Full Sized, Dust Proof Caravan.
@@maxratzlaff8333 what house! There are caravans smaller than many campers, and they are simply safer and more hygienic.. it's a matter of preference any way.
@@salahalsulaiman 90% of caravans that would an application of off road use in Ronny's use would not be suitable as they would likely be to overweight for the tow vehicle a 23 foot would be a minimum standard for shitter and shower as a standard fitting, though I would expect at 3-4 ton you're going to look at 3 axles as a need to reduce pressures whilst running on sand.. essentially most off caravans and 5th wheels most fit for use application tarmac unsealed maintained roads, where Ronny tends to tread would not be suitable of a 3-4 ton trailer to go
Hey utube followers... consider... hmmm.. My current project is a 8x5 gal trailer with a aluminium canopy. Heavy duty springs.. 33 inch wheels... raptor coated. 140 lites of water and pump.. 12v red arc system.. draws, 90 litre Fridge... about to install a roof top tent.. I’m up to 15k... !!! Just food for thought
Overpriced Box trailer ..... Nearly 50 K without a tent ..... What the Fruit ? Used to be a fan , but Kings have a well built , well designed trailer that will get the same job done for under 20 K - The Kings MT-1 ...... saw one in the flesh recently and was suprised at what you get for the coin .
@@jasper287 must be nice to have more money than sense . If you think patriot is worth 50 k I’ve got a nice bridge for sale you can buy . It’s a box trailer that doesn’t hold much - I thought the same thing about the Kings Trailer until I saw one - even has a do35 hitch and more storage than the patriot . The build quality is pretty good and it’s 30 k cheaper - it’s only a trailer at the end of the day . Throw a red arc BMS in for 2 k and you have a better buy imo
Another trailer to consider is also Metalian from South Africa. Love my Metalian. I’ve had it for 8 years with the only problem being the hitch that I broke. Not the trailer fault.
5:15
Ronny’s kid: I think that's enough petrol
Ronny: it’s diesel.
Absolutely no mercy
Lol get it right kid
Just basic correct education really 😅
Small displacement engines definitely struggle with towing fuel economy, especially under heavy loads or heavy strain (soft sand). It's the trade off as is longevity compared to bigger engines. Bigger engines are thirsty under normal driving (empty) but when the loads are added, that's where they pay off.
33:11 "Hi guys whats up welcome back to my yt channel"
best part lol 🤣
Hi Ronny, great to see ya at the Adelaide 4x4 show on Friday👍🏼 The quick fix for the man cave door hitting the jockey wheel is to flip the wheel 180 inwards. Problem solved👍🏼👍🏼 had the same issue…
justin made you edit this with all the post trip comments 😂
I don't think you can compare a trailer and a caravan for Ronny's Kind of usage. Mostly small, tight tracks with low clearence. The weight and the mere chance of (inevitable) damage to a caravan would make it prohibative. I have a 23 ft caravan with all the fruit, but after watching Ronny's video's, which originally started because I've just ordered a new Hilux and saw his project by chance, I am now looking at combining the two. Decking out the Hilux to do back to roots camping as well as retaining my 200 and caravan for those different type of trips. In general Ronny loving the videos. Really helpful in picking out what's relevant for me and making informed decisions etc. so from that perspective, I couldn't ask for more. See around the roads in Wangara and beyond. Cheers and thanks
Great review. I also had the infuriating problem with the jockey wheel interfering with the opening of the man cave. I found a solution by just loosening off the clamp bracket bolts and twisting it ever so slightly so that the grease nipple on the wheel drops into the gap in the drawbar frame and suddenly there’s clearance. Takes 10 minutes and so much better.
Also, made up aluminium wind shields for the stove for windy conditions and the stove works great too!
Can you just take it off and toss it in the back of the rig?
What, if any, relationship do you have with Patriot Campers? Disclosure is important.
Ronny, you can get a valve which will bypass the water in the "hot" line so it flows back into the tank until the water going through the valve gets hot. You turn the hot tap on and no water flows out until it is hot. Reduces the water wastage you described.
Cheers for the unbiased review mate. Convinced me to take the plunge and become part of the Patriot Family. Picked up my X1 N yesterday and looking forward to the adventures ahead.👍
Hi Ronny,
many thanks for a very informatively inside user view and comparison.
Scrolling to the reviews, the old question comes every time back from the audience: trailer vs. van.
Actually for such an experienced audience it should not be brought into comparison.
The one fits all is not feasible!
Living full time in a off-road van limits you to where you can go and not.
But can carry the things required to stay out for months or even years without a house as base camp.
Going out for a couple weeks with a off-road trailer nearly anywhere but with the limited fit out, requires a base camp, house or apartment to return to.
Our solution would be:
We have an off-road caravan for live-in and would be glad for more extreme trips to rent such a compact off-road trailer if possible. It’s all subject the personal circumstances.
Anyhow, that’s my point of view…
Cheers…
Hi, I learned a lot from your discussion. Would you mind talking a bit more about the chemical toilet? What brand it is, the bag you have around it and where you go dump it when it’s full? Also why a chemical and not composting or other type?
Ronny...I can highly recommend a tune. We have a 2010 Prado 150 with the old 3litre D4D. We noticed a great change with fuel economy and power both towing and without. Worth it 100%. Good torque gains and notice it a lot while towing. Our issue is the 5-speed auto and torque converter. Have bought a lock-out kit, pending install, which should help with the TC running up and down on the highway
Look forward with interest to seeing what awning you eventually put on the X1N
Great review! Thanks so much for posting!
Great review. We have a different brand trailer, of similar design. We fitted a Bushman’s 270 awning. Can’t recommend it highly enough. Quick set up and down, no poles and super solid. Worth every cent. Walls available too. Worth consideration, the only con if you had to find one, little heavier than most 👍.
There are so many sliders , guides and translation systems inside the trailer . Which is of course makes it more comfortable to use but adds a lot of extra weight
Supapeg makes the awning on the Patriot. They now have a new freestanding awning that might suit better for a quick setup.
awesome brother. Would you be able to do a review on your OME Suspension kit.
A question about the different fridges used. One is an Engel (32L maybe?) and the other is... what? Asking as a soon-to-be X1-N owner who didn't option in the fridge.
Wind? Go live on King Island, every time the breeze starts, the clothes on the line end up in New Zealand 🤣
Grass skirts now mate.
Re the wind and cooker, Companion do a nice fold up windshield either a 3 burner or a 2 👍
Hi Ronny,
You can flip the jockey wheel the other way round so you can open the man cave without touching the jockey wheel 👍
G'day Ronny, crackin vid mate. At 30:53 regarding getting things out of the garage section, maybe the $5 270mm indoor broom from the big green warehouse could help, maybe even turning it around you could also flick the lightswitch on n off...
Hi Ronny, I've got an X1 with extended drawbar so I can open the rear door on my Prado. I find it still tracks well in tight spots - the extension is only 200mm. Also I have no problems opening the man cave with the jockey wheel stored on the drawbar. Maybe it's the extended drawbar but the A-frame and jockey wheel storage mount looks the same on your X1N as it does my X1. Maybe Justin or Tommy can explain? Agree reversing is more tricky the shorter the drawbar. Cheers Lee
I'm planning on building camper trailer myself (not as high tech as this one obviously) and plant a roof top tent on it. Going for one of those tents that open to the side for extra room, since I'm fairly large person and it would be nice if my wife and our kid would also fit there 😅
Same as the no 5 army trailer, short drawbar, great in the bush but terrible to reverse. Your right, once you loose it there is no fixing it.
You looked a bit lonely at the Adelaide 4wd show on the weekend Ronny. Everyone was next door at the 4wd 24-7 boys tent when I went past to see them.
Most important thing about a trailer is that it must not, under any circumstance, break beers while under way.
Hey mate you need to move your jockey wheel one notch forward, leave it there then you can access the mancave without removal 👍
A well engineered camper, I wish I could afford one 👍🇦🇺🙄🤔😉😀
Talking fuel consumption in the hilux I hope he wasn’t going off what it says on the dash. Because it is super inaccurate. We use these same hiluxs for work and they chew fuel. About 15-16L/100km
I always remove front wheel from the tow bar when I go off the paved roads , otherwise you will be hitting the ground with it and break something
A slide out platform for the "garage" would make it easier to get to everything.
Ummm didn’t mention price ?? When will someone make an excellent utility compact trailer like this for the common man / women ..
The intro music is rocking. !!!
the awnings leak when it rains along the seams. So you have droplets of water all along the seams. Very annoying when you are camped up in the rain. It will be good when Patriot sort this issue out. Perhaps a better awning that is self supporting would be good.
Hey Ronny, great review, we have a stockman pod trailer with a feldon shelter crows nest on it & a do35, thought you might like to look at the jockey wheel buddy, you can attach it to the jockey wheel as a permanent plate to stop it sinking into the sand
You have a far better setup and at a much better price
That gave me a few ideas for my Haulmark army traiker
hi ronny entertaining and informative as always and love the honesty. I am wondering what you think of slide on campers like the tray on (not the big northstar). I appreciate they are more for travelling and longer stays then trips like yours but does mean no towing, which has to be a bonus in places like fraser, desert, csr, cape doesnt it?
I have a trayon slide on sitting on a 4.2td patrol and I would not trade it for anything I just love it what everyone has to realise no matter what your set up everything is a compromise but for me the trayon is as close to perfection for what I do and my circumstances.
Awesome review, great you are always so honest 🤙🏼
Great clip Ronny, very interesting indeed. Cheers
Imagine if the trailer had a small electric motor fitted to its axle to give a small amount of push when you're stuck.
If it had a diff could it drive ?
Hi Ronny, great and honest review ! Does a tinny fit on top instead of a rooftop tent? And how does the short drawbar fit with a Troopy and 2 spares at the rear ? Cheers from europe! C.A
Gretting from Guatemala, Central America
Outstanding review. 5/5 Heinekens (+ the complimentary tequilas)
Awesome honest review, keep up the great work
One question I have about that interesting hitch is locking it like security wise to stop anyone de attaching it
thank you for sharing your detail video
Great real world review Ronny.
Would you ever consider the Alu Cab canopy camper ? Could you do a review of one on a Hilux or other truck? I would love to know your thoughts on them.
Do an offroad camping comparison test video, Hilux trailer vs australian camel team for fun😃
Hola desde España, lastima que esos carros no se vendan aquí,tienen que ser una pasada
Awesome review being a trailer guy.
Hi Ronny very informative Video and well presented. I do have a question though where did you get the Skid Row I find the band but not the device for trailers. Many thanks
That was good 👍
Great video Ronnie. Out of curiosity what leaf rates are you running in the back of the Hilux for towing? Im sure its been covered in prior videos but Im running 600kg constants which for towing is incredible. Unladen though is like driving around on wooden blocks and doesnt help much when driving tough terrain due to its rigidity whilst unladen.
Very interesting and informative. Great review.
Great video Ronny. I’ve got an X1N and couldn’t agree more with you. Left-field question; how do you get your 180 zero 23 awning into Australia buying it online in the US?
if you are breaking latches every so often in the traveling you do Ron, you might want to consider ratchet straps as a locking system for the trailer
Better still patriot uses a better latch system. This is know problem but they still have not addressed the issue 🤔
@@christurner68 please note this from me. I normally not reply to such sub commences, but like to help out with my near 20 years experience with all sort of latches and breakages thereof.
1. This stainless latches used in that size are the best you can get.
2. Adjustment of tightening plays a big rule. Everything is constantly moving on corrugated roads. So when they are to tight adjusted all the force is going to the swivel bolt and wears them out. Adjust them a tick looser, glue a thin rubber strip behind the frame as cushion and wear item easy to renew. (That is at least how I do it)
3. Next level upsize latches are far more bulkier and heavier, no place to fit and will tear apart the tongue side frame or door structure.
4th. And most important thing is:
These latches are a kind of wear part in my opinion and I am happy with the live time and low cost for replacing such things regular as with bigger sturdier latches breaking the doors which would require re welding and paint jobs.
Hope that could help to understand a little better the subject.
@@holgermuller2987 that’s what you get when you are greedy and buy off the shelf cheap latches as a quick fix option. Should have had more thought into the design. I hope that clears the muddy waters for you.
@@christurner68 16 months full time travel in my X1 no issues with the latches. Too tight and they break.
@@jasper287 👍
What about the BRS Sherpa? Isn´t it about 1000kg and rugged for sure
Ronny great review. Have you looked at the Tvan’s as a family camper
20:13 did you leave the wife in there ? 🤦♂️😉😂😂😂
James Baroud vs Autohome Airtop. Which one is better?
Hi are you taking a bath with sunglasses 😂
H
Good Video quick ? - where did you get the latches on the wolfpack - mine are the horrible black one !!
With the little updates during this video. Seems a little like Patriot campers vetted your video and suggested the updates prior to the public release . I hope not .
Put your jockey wheel the other way around Ronny, with the wheel to the front - you'll be able to open the man cave no worries...
Ronny do you find the sink too low
thanks, can i get those from other parts of the world? i mean the trailer
can you do a review on your pcor tray
100% .... switches are the best. Revision panel is a total waist of money and a big wank
Stainless steel dogs water bowl for the jockey wheel for in sand.
Did you change your gear ratio when you installed 33's?
😎👍
Mount the jokey wheel in the man cave ?
I'm curious what's the price to do a tag along with you
Nice review mate. How does is go keeping dust out?
This is better than a review
Hi Guys I think I would nt take fuel I would go for the drivers
Damn
U need more lighting to dark when you are filming
patriot gave it to you for free?
Well that explains why all the WA campers are going induction. Wind does not affect it. Ha ha.
Do you think they are worth the price tag ?
I paid less for my truck…lol. And it’s a tacoma!
The thing is caravans are dust proof with full head room and a proper shower, so the utensils and food will be in good hands !
The thing is CamperTrailers can go places a Caravan cannot!
I like to see you (but then again) tow a Caravan to Ronny's Camp site on the Beach, go across Dunes and whatnot with a Full Sized, Dust Proof Caravan.
@@DMSVICAU you know there are some really good off road caravans out there and if patriot make one that would be phenomenal too .
Not everyone needs their house with them to go camping
@@maxratzlaff8333 what house!
There are caravans smaller than many campers, and they are simply safer and more hygienic.. it's a matter of preference any way.
@@salahalsulaiman 90% of caravans that would an application of off road use in Ronny's use would not be suitable as they would likely be to overweight for the tow vehicle a 23 foot would be a minimum standard for shitter and shower as a standard fitting, though I would expect at 3-4 ton you're going to look at 3 axles as a need to reduce pressures whilst running on sand..
essentially most off caravans and 5th wheels most fit for use application tarmac unsealed maintained roads, where Ronny tends to tread would not be suitable of a 3-4 ton trailer to go
Hey utube followers... consider... hmmm..
My current project is a 8x5 gal trailer with a aluminium canopy. Heavy duty springs.. 33 inch wheels... raptor coated. 140 lites of water and pump.. 12v red arc system.. draws, 90 litre Fridge... about to install a roof top tent.. I’m up to 15k... !!! Just food for thought
And now, you're camping with Steve! th-cam.com/users/thestevewallisvideos
Overpriced Box trailer ..... Nearly 50 K without a tent ..... What the Fruit ? Used to be a fan , but Kings have a well built , well designed trailer that will get the same job done for under 20 K - The Kings MT-1 ...... saw one in the flesh recently and was suprised at what you get for the coin .
Cool story bro. You could use your Great Wall ute to tow the kings MT1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@jasper287 must be nice to have more money than sense . If you think patriot is worth 50 k I’ve got a nice bridge for sale you can buy . It’s a box trailer that doesn’t hold much - I thought the same thing about the Kings Trailer until I saw one - even has a do35 hitch and more storage than the patriot . The build quality is pretty good and it’s 30 k cheaper - it’s only a trailer at the end of the day . Throw a red arc BMS in for 2 k and you have a better buy imo
Another trailer to consider is also Metalian from South Africa. Love my Metalian. I’ve had it for 8 years with the only problem being the hitch that I broke. Not the trailer fault.
I doubt Ronny would know the RRP. He certainly didn't pay it!
Hi lux is bad on fuel consumption. That’s what I found
waiting for our tree huggers complaining about the fuel consumption lol
Rubbish. Ad after 1 minute. 8 minutes and 13 minutes. Lost interest.
Any chance you could consider getting some speech therapy..?
It’s everything, not everyfing…