SHOULD YOU TOW OFF-ROAD CAMPER TRAILERS, TOWING vs NOT TOWING
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- SHOULD YOU TOW OFF-ROAD CAMPER TRAILERS, TOWING vs NOT TOWING
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Every time I look up something concerning Overlanding I always find a video you've done on the subject, Ronny. Thanks for sharing what's relevant.
I tow and I'm a solo traveller. I like sleeping on a queen size bed, I like undercover space when weather is not so nice and I like to just hook up and go. 3L per 100 extra for me as well and it's really not that much for the added comfort
All Ozi Adventures
Sounds like my experience too. Great to be out of the weather. The only thing I found negative was that when it rained a lot I’d wish I didn’t have the hassle of a trailer when negotiating mud and wet paddocks. So I’d end up packing up so I wouldn’t get stuck.
Now I’m back to a 6m x6m tarp and can park half under it, sleep on a stretcher and be out of the weather.
Each to their own.
I'm looking at getting a trailer at the moment and it'll be mostly solo trips for 1 or 2 nights. For me it's the convenience of having the trailer packed, ready to go so I can get home from work, hook up the trailer throw the dog in and leave quickly. Packing and unpacking a car to me is a lot of effort and a big turn off. Think the biggest thing is having a fridge plugged in and packed.
I’m solo and I tow. I have an off-road teardrop though. The ease of setup and the comfort can’t be beat.
I tow to the campground and then disconnect and hit the trails.
Camp smarter not harder.
😁
Great accurate concise video. Absolutely spot on. Exactly describes my experience of with and without a trailer. I went from my 100 series without, to with a Tvan, back to without. Needed the trailer so I could carry the extra fuel I needed because I was pulling a trailer. Too expensive, even for long overland trips it’s waaaaay cheaper to pay for accommodation once a week if you need to shower launder clothes etc than it is to pay the extra fuel
The other thing to mention Ronnie is checking weights by parking your vehicle only, on a weigh bridge WITH your trailer hooked up and see whether the additional ball weight is putting you over GVM. I know that with my Tvan fully loaded it added over 200kgs to my GVM which put me over my 3260 GVM and that also equals illegal and uninsured.
Bloody love my Cub camper trailer. Stock 79 series with 33s. Go anywhere and 10 minutes to set it up. Provides an awesome base camp and comfortable. If I wanna do a short trip I take the swag. Perfect combinations for a daily driver. Great video Ronny!
This is a simple and easy to understand extremely important explanation of the difference. Thank you !
Yet another no nonsense video with great info for those who are new to this. Great work!
Top video Ronny as always, nicely explained. What its about is personal priorities and limitations. What you love doing, how much you intend doing it, how much you can afford and what physical restrictions you may have body and healthwise.
Great video. Unbiased, informative and helpful. Keep up the good work.
Very good and compact information! Thanks Ronny!
Nicely done on this video sir. Thanks for sharing and I hope you have a blessed week.
Dale
A good, practical video. Thanks Ronny!
Thanks Ronny, have a great day!
You hit the nail right on the head with the pros & cons.
I thought I needed a trailer to go on longer trips, more gas, water and firewood were the only real advantages. A 4 day/night trip was enough for me to figure it out. No trailer for me. It sucks to have to pack the tent every time you need to go somewhere, but not usually staying too long in one spot, basecamp isn't a need for me. I decided to have a well thought-out dedicated Jeep which I'm working on right now. Fridge, pull out kitchenette and drawers for everything else will work out... that's for me and my needs. Although all the trailer amenities would be nice lol
Always a compromise. 👍
Awesome .You are absolutely right.
I got small pop-up off-road trailer give me amazing comfort for 4 people
THANK YOU FOR THE UPLOAD BRO 👌🏽
Always useful videos mate.
Won't be needing to tow.
Thanks
Spot on mate, spot on! I have done both, I like both. A trailer also allows you to travel with minimal/no gear on your roof: good for fuel consumption, so in my experience that is a straight trade-off with the extra fuel for the trailer. And it allows your daily driver to fit into the urban carparks with 2.0m height restrictions.
More excellent advice from Ronnie. Aahhh yes, the pack before the trip, how good is that? Sometimes, it puts me off going camping because the thought of finding all the gear, packing it in the vehicle, checklists etc is all too much, can't be bothered. Reckon if I had a trailer set up, just put in food, fuel and water, hitch up and head off. Clothes, bedding, gas bottles, Weber, water tanks, rubbish bag, awning, chairs, table all in the trailer - so much easier! Plus you can put bikes, canoe etc on top of it. Also if your vehicle is a daily driver theres less crap to unpack straight away when you get home. Reckon I still want the 40L Engel in my vehicle though. Actually a case can be made for another one in the trailer.
I Tow because my other half likes a few creature comforts as she’s doesn’t like camping much but now she has a shower etc. but the main reason is i own a Jeep lol... so these days we find awesome Free boon-docking in CO & UT. Set up base camp hit the trails, come back to unwind. Great video Ronny.
I am a minimalist, do a lot of solo and just pack all my gear and sleep in the back of my Ford Expedition and make sure I am organized prior to the trip. You are right though Ronny, when doing a trip with mates, it is nicer to have a trailer to bring extra gear like firewood, petrol etc for those extended trips.
Thx for the Pros and Cons Vids these are very helpful.
Mike
Even for a solo traveler a camper is more convenient, you have less weight on your vehicle and less clutter in your vehicle. But you only need a light weight trailer that is easy to set up and pack up.
That is what I use. I built a trailer that weighs under 400lbs. Loaded probably still under 550lbs. I can have camp set up in under 10 minutes. Love it!
Really good content Ronny. Excellent point about where the hell are you going to keep it!
Nice one Ronny. Very useful video. I’m stuck in the middle. I’ve got a good roof tent and when I head out with the kids I end up in the swag (misses wont come). I’m thinking about a trailer and like the idea of the extra space and the main thing is being able to have a base camp and still use the motor if needed. All good food for thought. Keep up the good work.
Great information! Thank you.
I see you have a Ridgeback,very beautiful animal and awesome family protection. I miss mine.
Thanks, really interesting. Wow, we don't have to register trailers in the UK. As long as the lights work properly, the tyres are ok and it's not overloaded we're good to go. Of course we still have to make sure we're not over GVM.
this was good to watch. my family doesn't tour with me but we do love to camp. when i tour i go solo and just sleep in the truck, which is my preferred method but we bought a pop top camper for the family- its not remotely off-road ready but it will make it down a dirt road where we can plop it down and explore. Im from Utah and most of our trips are there, which you probably have a little more context on now: in the moab area and you can probably guess that towing a trailer in the area wouldn't make a lot of sense, as access to trails and backcountry is relatively easy from basecamp. truthfully we don't even tow with the 80 series anymore, but with my wifes gx470 which is more of less stock. Its been a good compromise for us. I've looked at a rugged poptop, but I think we're happy with basecamping it and exploring from there. cheers from utah
Great tips and tricks. Keep the videos coming. :)
Don't comment on these much, but solid points, and after having seen many of Ronny's videos I have to say I like them. Straight forward to the point and no screaming. Def not a numpty.
We tried using a camper for all our 4x4 trips was a good cub hard floor. We live under an hour from vic high country. Was ok in most situations but becomes dangerous when tracks get serious. Try reversing back down a full on high country track when up cant make it up. We now swag it or take 22 foot caravan for base camp. Camper set up/pack up and wet canvas gets a bit old.
Just watched your video on towing, mate you are so helpful, thank you so much 😀
Covered everything,great job
Pro for security of stuff at camp site when you leave, also in bear country being able to secure food or yourself at night. Being inside a simple box or tear drop style is much nicer than a tent in a decent storm. Toy hauler hauls my cruiser trike with my truck, utility behind the Cherokee Trail Hawk takes care of two plus a large dog. Thanks for your great videos!
Just have to love Rohnny, "I've been positive with the pros" 🤣🤣🤣
HE's the next Yogi Berra. "It's like deja vu all over again"
Good on you Ronnie, another good coverage of an interesting subject.
Great video mate. A price on this particular trailer would’ve been good too. I know these trailers are good and expensive, you get what you pay for, as l’m always told by others. Keep up the good work, you’re the man.👍😊
I have a rooftop camper on a box trailer and intend to do the half Aus trip solo next year but mostly on road. This set up is fast with gas struts and kitchen and I intend to be travelling fast.
After that will be transforming the truck so I can drop the trailer to go to rougher places like the cape and highlands. This vid reinforced that I am on the right track.
Ronny, Towing vs not towing. You left out one option for not towing, & that is slide-on camper (truck camper). But its expensive to go 6x4 (no I don't get hooked up on the lazy axle, have front & rear lockers) to increase GVM to be comfortable for extended travelling-- we love it.
Thanks - good over view
Excellent info. Thank you
Good views Ronny , I’m old school myself a camper would only be required if I took the mrs lol 😝
Great Video, one thing to add on the pro side for photographers or creators. The trailer frees up space in the vehicle to ensure the expensive gear like cameras, drones etc are kept safe. Definite must if you don't have a film crew with an additional vehicle.
And the other point on the con side, is that it is difficult to find trailers with the same wheel and tyre configuration as your vehicle. So you have to carry additional spares that are not interchangeable with the vehicle.
Thanks for this video. Camping is so expensive. I have a lot of camping gear. Always looking for something better. A good vehicle, water, and what you need to survive!!!
Great video. Thank you!
Great inputs, many thanks. For me, I will always tow for optimum comfort!
Very good video. Thanks for sharing !
Hi Ronny
I could not make it to Expo West (due to that nasty work thing we must put up with sometimes) so I am waiting for you videos from there and Moab.
Keep up the great videos.
Brilliant ! I’ve a utility trailer I converted to hold a rtt I’ve fuel . Water , spares , carries fridges , chairs and tables . Perfect . Lightweight and easy to tow. I don’t go off road as in this vid bit do like fields and festivals . It’s perfect ! Still have trailer envy
Great information. Thank you.
very good video, great advices!!
Thanks for the great info. its changed my mind and its time to build a camper .
That was enlighting. Thank you.
I agree on the roof top tent killing fuel economy I had one on a defender it increased fuel use by two litres per 100 km and I needed a step ladder to put out all the window shades.
I had a off-road trailer made with the same wheel track as the tow car was good even on sand regards mike
Well said, thank you for the advice.
Nice video Thanks!
I had a cheap camper, but was too much hassle for anything less than 3 nighter trip. I found myself with permanent canopy setup and a trailer, so sold the trailer and fitted a lift off canopy! Couldn't be happier with the outcome
good vid . I was thinking which way to go and a small camper trailer wins bit more money but I want comfort and 4wdriving thanks ronny
very nice video, lots of good advise....thanks
omg. i just love all you videos and never comment, but when you start your video by hurdling the draw bar, how can i stay quiet any longer hahaha. you crack me up. love your vids.
Cant wait to watch it, we love towing so want to see your vision on it
Just wanted to say thanks for all your great informative videos. This video was great! I pull a small trailer partially because I tend to take more stuff than I need and am new to overlanding. My friends and I set up more of a Base Camp vs. being on the move so, it works well for my needs. I also, have a Jeep TJ and there’s just not much room in it. I’m also, usually sharing gear and stuff with friends that don’t camp much so, I tend to have more gear. I try to keep the trailer as light as possible. Thanks again for all your great information!
I tow a trailer because I’ve climbed mountains with just a pack and slept on the ground, I’ve pulled a snow sled full of gear for miles in single degree temps then slept in a tent, roughed it a bunch of times. I have nothing to prove. I camp now for my own enjoyment, and I like sleeping on a real mattress in comfort while experiencing the great outdoors. And I like my coffee, my meals, my refrigerator full of cold beer, and my cigars while I do it.
Agreed. We tow a Crux 1600, we have 2 kids, 13 and 15, we tried the rooftop tent, didn't like it whatsoever. Huge pain the butt to deploy/put away, I was the only one who could do it, being 6'1". Our trailer seems to be the best balance, but when I go solo, I just use a tent. The big problem with a roof top tent is storage. That sucker eats up all that area, and like you said with 4 people, hello packed interior.
The more I do things the more I realize how hard it is to find a perfect setup. I like the trailer for storage, sleeping comfort, extra cans of gas, and the ability to leave it somewhere and go (many areas in the USA the parks say no to trailers on some roads). When the kids leave, we'll probably use a tent, as we have found some amazing fast comfortable mattresses.
Great vid. Very balanced. My only negative was when you talked about cheap/second hand campers it sounded off-putting. I agree with cheap, you get what you pay for, but buying second hand is the way for many of us and it is down to checking out it's history/condition. Used is good provided it has been looked after. We recently bought a larger 7yo Cub camper and it is great. But I've already done some repairs/mods etc- make it your own for what you want. As always, love your stuff and your fellow WA's, Harry and ASPW.
Cheers mate! Your the man!
Thank you great details video on camping trailer
Great balanced commentary. We love our camper trailer. Spot-on with the 3l/100km fuel penalty, but one loses it when it is a parked. The RTT adds 2l/100km, is always there and is not easy to remove between trips either. We also like sleeping in total comfort, whatever the weather. Route planning the rough stuff needs to be better with a trailer, as it may not be possible to reverse or turn. Wear and tear and well as reliability of the entire rig is greatly compromised by overloading, no matter whether one tows or not. We tow in Kalahari sand often, and weight, tyre pressure, track choice decisions are crucial to not getting stuck-but can be mastered.
My prado does 10l/100 with rtt from about 9.5 without. I made a winch and quick attach system that I just wind it down and clip it on. 10 min. It stays up under my carport roof for storage.
Hi Ronny great vid. old vid but thought i would comment. one thing not mentioned as a solo traveller is if your knees and back are buggered and you can't put in 20 tent pegs, need a cpap machine and need battery power a tent or swag is no good. got a small camper, while not without it's limitations it is sooooo much easier, I can still get into the outdoors.
nice one Ronny, yes i enjoy my 79 and X1 too :)
You have said it well.
First,You have a beautiful Rhodesian Ridgeback.
Next,Patriot campers ,the one showed is top dog.
A major purchase. I do over-landing in the US,
I can’t justify so much money. I wish. Thanks
Where do you go? How long are you out for when you do it?
Good memories of the soft sand in WA... great video though guys.
Thanks for the video. I drive a Semi truck for a living and that makes towing a camper trailer both a pro and con for me. I can handle a trailer, but when I'm not working I want to get as far away from a trailer as possible. lol
Good summary Ronny!! Solo/ don’t need it.
Couldn't agree more mate, we love towing our trailer makes camping easy and we love a good base camp.
i like a trail for the sole reason i leave it ready to go and we use it for a base camp ,
Great info like your style
In the early 90's, a guy in sweden built an offroad trailer for his Volvo L3314 (903 in the military) what was special about it is that it had an identical axle as the rear one in the truck and when the truck was put into low range, the trailer was driven via the PTO on the truck.. (dont remember the constructin exactly but custom driveshaft, u-joints etc..) What was extra special is that the Volvo was running a smallblock Ford and c4 auto and that the truck and trailer was running something like 40" swampers..
Good run down on trailers Ronny, one thing you didn't mention is the high cost of accommodation when traveling long distances, so many fantastic free camps and who wants to jammed up in a tiny site in a caravan park anyway. I agree with the cons but think the pro's out weight them, keep up the good work mate.
I think the trailer is great for base camp so you can unload the vehicle and have more fun
Ronny gets in the shower with his clothes and hat on like a boss!
Good video. I'm one that doesn't like stuff slung all over my rig. Increases fuel consumption, gets hit on trees, or makes it so I plain can't fit as easily thought a forest trail. Plus, adds weight.
My one con with a trailer is turning that thing around on a dead end trail in the mountains. Sometimes it's a rock wall one side and a cliff on the other. It gets tight!
Great Pros and Cons Towing vs Not towing. New Sub.
Camper trailer is great for touring but when it comes technical four wheeling then it's a terrible anchor
Unless the wheels are driven by a PTO from the vehicle, like used to be done from the older Landrovers. There some that have electric motor assist, but this is not very powerful.
Also more of a challenge for those that enjoy that sort of thing. Electric motors can be very powerful, interesting that this offering isn’t more mainstream though.
In some situations you can use it as a base camp and leave in a spot, wheel the technical trails all day, then head back to the trailer.
I bought a camper trailer for our club weekend 4wding trips. I don't take it offroad, Just tow it to where we're all staying set it up (Fold out tent style) then for the weekend we have a large enclosed space you can stand up inside of, And a full kitchen. Makes the weekend much more enjoyable! Also beats paying $100+ a night for cabins
Ya we've got better options getting where we're going, as well. Not everyone is overlanding close to home, I can get across country faster crashing in my trailer at Walmart or whatever than trying to tent camp or hotel it every night.
Great video nailed it
I do both with the boys trips I travel light and swags only
With the family we have a MDC ROBSON and take a tinny and setup for a long period the girls love it and is the only way they would go camping with some level of comfort.
We've got the rtt and the teardrop just to cover all bases.
I have a tradie trailer, best thing I could think of, fit so much gear in it and you can pick one up for like $1000 ,flip axle under the springs to get clearance, or buy real tall springs for chump change on eBay, (and flip axle to get even more again), put some solid all terrain tyres on it for handling sharp rocks, best thing is here in NSW Australia a trailer with 750kg gvm max does not need a mechanical check at rego time and only costs $66 a year just to renew the rego
You are very good mate ,common sence and solid experience, I seeing huge caravans on roads and when it is windy I suffering only watching them, also parking in reverse etcetera, I am mostly packing all I need on my hilux and if I need a boat or a kayak I would rather rent them, more fun..thank you for your advice
Cheers mate
Eh I got a teardrop with handles, my son can move it, I don't even try lol.
Hi Ronny love the clip mate .... Could you please do a in depth explanation of Traction control when to use when to turn off ... as most new dual cabs have it standard there's not much out there explaining it Off road use .. my previous vehicles where a chopped 80 and 75 series with lockers I understand them .
I do a lot of solo travel and I have a light off road trailer, (~400kg), with a light roof tent, the tent only weighs 17kgs. The benefits of towing are huge for me. Everything you just said I've experienced first hand. For me the ideal solution has been keeping the weight off.
mikehzz does your roof tent come with the trailer or are they separate brands. What are their brands please?
@@dawesville1615 My trailer is a Stockman Pod All Roader from Melbourne. It has the rack option. My roof tent is an Oasis 5.2 by Trekker in France. The roof tent is a type of folding cot/stretcher. I'd actually prefer one like Ronny's but I'd have to upgrade the struts on the trailer lid to hold it. You don't see many of those Oasis tents around. It's a couple of minutes to set up and take down.
mikehzz thank you.
I like finding other people who do both, I've got a super light rtt and trailer myself.
Good vid 👍🏼 any good tips of winter camping? Not sure if you’ve done a vid on it already @RonnyDahl
Good video... I tow I like bringing everything...
Excellent
Great video and I agree with your reasoning for & against. Currently dont tow much at all but will be in a couple of years when me, the wife and 2 proper sized dogs get to head off on some bigger trips. Already looking through camper trailers and its so easy to eliminate so many of them for their weight & setup times. Cub & Patriot trailers are very high on my very small list.
D W look at Metalian , they have been around longer than patriot , patriot basically copied the USA and South Africans who have been using that style for years. Metalian are South African with a good presence in Australia now. Their trailer layout is cheaper and more functional than patriots$
I’m looking At the cub frontier
What did you end up buying?
@@michaelhermans4753 Change in circumstances due one of the dogs turning out to not be campsite friendly. When the time comes for a camper, the choice will be a Cub. A couple of friends have since purchased Cubs and that has only confirmed they are worth it.
@@davewarland1680 I keep going back to them, getting too old to tent and the wife hates the long pack up times
just got to have a patriot camper, love the vid Ronny
Well... Now i know that i do not need to tow. :). Thanks and all the best to You. Jack.
On my fourth trailer something to consider here in the United States some places you can’t camp without a hard sided camper, unless you like sleeping with bears.
Many years ago I ran into that problem in Glacier National Park up in Montana. Fortunately, I had my old Volkswagen camper bus so I was allowed to stay in campground.
haha I liked Harry's B double
It was an easy choice. My wife and I wanted to pull into the garage on a Friday afternoon and leave to camp for the weekend without going through and packing the car each time. More importantly, we did not want to drive around town with all the camping gear bolted to the Jeep. It's expensive and it shouldn't be one's only option when deciding to camp, but if you have the means it's so worth it. I went with a Turtleback trailer and love it.
Love the sneaky No.5's in the video
Used to be just a swag and esky/fridge man 😭
Now the mrs comes camping so I had to get a trailer with roof top tent 😂😫
I miss the simple set up
I really like my Rugar off road trailer with my RTT on it. I’ve towed it on many roads that shouldn’t be roads. At camp I have my JK to roam around for the day. It’s a very small price to,pay to have that agility. I go out for 1 to 2 weeks at a time and still have room for more gear. Don’t be afraid to tow, it’s the way to go ! (For me)