Should R7 Owners Upgrade To A 600?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.พ. 2024
- Finally got a chance to throw my leg over a Yamaha R7. Also let the owner ride a 600 for the first time. Watch until the end if your on the verge of getting anr7 and feel it may be too slow.
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I love my r7. I love low end torque and power due to city riding, and I think it’s the sexiest bike on the market with the intensity white color. The 600 class makes me wanna push them to their limits too much due to the high end power, and it will get me killed lol
Honestly it sounds like the perfect bike for you ! It’s fun and riding this it can for sure still get you in trouble !
Yea i mean this makes perfect sense, anyone who knows yamahas knows that the r6 is meant to be tracked, that bike ego wise was meant for you to be full tucked constant high rpm for that real shot of power
Lmfaooo but there is nothing better than ego power my friend ! People have been programmed for that
the problem is it wont get u out of trouble, too slow @@NostalgicMotorcycles
If getting out if trouble means running from the cops that’s more of a rider thing. This bike will do every bit of 140mph lol. Any bike can really get you in trouble this included. You can wheelie a grom and get in “trouble”. Really comes down to your meaning of in trouble.
this was such a good video bro I was surprised to see your subs you deserve way more bro
Lmfaooo thank you very much. I’m working on it though ! New to this game
If you're upgrading from R7 ..get an R1 ... if you're upgrading from R3 get an R6
Sounds good for you bro some people don’t want a 1000.
Just purchased a R7 after so many years of riding definitely happy with it all around. I did upgrade the exhuast to the yosh R77 and i definitely sounds great. I also changed the fork stem nut so i can carry my quadlock phone. Great video 👍
Awesome ! Glad to hear it. It’s a solid bike and I know it sounds great with the yoshi!!!! My wife wants one now. She test rode one at the dealer 😂😂
This was an awesome video! Perfect way of explaining the difference between the two, and how to be thinking when you’re considering getting either. The R7 has a lot to offer that gets you set up for a 600 anyway; so it’s a good beginner sport bike for sport bike riders. The super upright sport bikes like the ninja 650 give a false sense of sport bike riding if you know what I mean. It’s a great bike but can definitely mislead some people I feel. The R7s position definitely gets your body ready for 600s or 1000s if you’re riding with proper posture. People hate on the R7 too much, but it’s a super fun bike that’s easy to control. That grom comparison you made was a good point to make with people who only ride 1000s or 600s. Well done with this video, I loved it!
My man you get it !! that's awesome. Sometimes I don't know how these points come across. I obviously know since it's me saying it. Thank you for that! I enjoyed the bike a lot and would for sure ride one. I have a thing for accelerating briskly so I wouldn't replace a 600 with this but I think this is the perfect place to start for sure. I really appreciate the feedback and am very glad to hear it comes across as I intended.
I wish it was a bit more like the rs660 at higher speeds but thats about it for me
I get it but it’s not bad. It carries well from 110-140
Have owned multiple bikes. From an R1, R6, Honda CBR1000RR, Honda CBR600RR and Suzuki GSXR600 and the R7 is my favorite bike. The usable power, key word, USABLE, is quite amazing for daily riding and having fun. There's no need to own a liter bike on the street unless you want to go fast in a straight line.
I agree. I prefer a slight excess of speed personally but I hoon and know it’s not required. Unlike most people that feel like I do I can enjoy a pleasure ride rowing through the gears and enjoy the nuance as well. This bike offers that. Your able to work the throttle and the bike feels difference based on those inputs.
Just got an R7 in the Anniversary colorway and Akrapovic exhaust, and it looks and sounds damn beautiful. Its great for me as I started on a 125cc. If I want anything stronger in like 2 years then the upcoming R9 will be a perfect upgrade to stay in the low end power with also high end. Really pumped for the R9. Btw: Evotech makes a really good phone mount that doesn't require to remove the silver thingy.
Glad to hear it (phone mount thing). Its a really awesome approachable bike for sure my wife wants one now after test riding one at a demo day. She is a newer rider as well.
Honestly the best review I've seen and I've watched a lot of them as I'm deciding whether to go 600 or R7 after I just sold my R3. I really want an R6, but the prices are insanely inflated, so I think I'll just go R7 and see what's up when the R9 comes out.
Hey it’s a nice jump in performance. Really get the bike you want man. One you know how to handle and control a bike all you need to do is get used to speed which you will do on either bike. The r7 is more modern and fancy compared to the 600 but if that’s what you prefer the r7 won’t do it for you. If you prefer the fancy then the 600 won’t do it for you. At the bottom of your heart you know what you want.
@@NostalgicMotorcycles Yeah awesome advice, thank you! I will kinda go for what I'm feeling anyway. Seems the best!
@@ektamann5644 Yes sir. They are both fun rides. I will say the 600 is more stiff and firm on the ride quality. The R7 will be softer on suspension as mentioned in the video. Best of luck! they are both fun rides.
What is the difference in insurance premiums between the two? That is the determining factor for many riders.
I have no idea as that varies greatly city to city, rider to rider, and state to state. A 25 year old licensed rider will pay very differently in Florida(where I am) compared to Texas(has age/experience based insurance if I remember correct)
I can say however, don’t buy a bike because it has cheaper insurance. Buy the bike you want if you can afford it. Wait and get the bike you want. You will be much more happy that way.
R7 is a very slim machine. The consensus I have seen from a buddy in my group who rides with 600s and a couple of us on 1ks are, he feels fast enough to keep up but he doesn't feel faster than anyone. I think the bike needs gearing, full bolt ons and dyno tune and it will be respected.
I rode a fully stock bike and felt the same way. I let this guy ride my 600 and we rode for about 40 minutes after making the video for highway more off camera riding. And I didn’t get left behind in the r7. it went up to 13-14/10 on a speed scale a lot easier than I thought. The bike tops out in 6th so I don’t think gearing will help as it will reduce top speed but Intake exhaust and tune will change it a lot. It won’t be 600 fast no matter what. I will say a good rider on a tuned r7 Can do some track damage to a 600 rider with less experience. It’s close enough that in a track setting skill will outshine power for sure.
I’m of the opinion that if you’re coming over from dirt bikes, and have start/stop/shifting and throttle control under stress down to second nature. You can 100% start on a 600 super sport. And if you’re all those things while *also* being responsible and humble, you could probably even jump straight to a 1000.
But if you just recently learned everything at the MSF course and are shopping for your first bike? Hell no. Definitely get a starter bike and get to that level first.
I’m sad the industry is moving over to these mid power twins and 4 cylinders tuned for low power to pass emissions. Super sports are so incredibly fun. Hands down my favorite feeling, performing, handling, and coolest looking motorcycles ever made.
Oh man you’re going to love the video I’m recording next week. It will go into this topic. Essentially not all “beginners” are created equal and this hits the nail on the head. Stay tuned because I 100% agree with you.
It’s just like a modern sv650s essentially
Kind of. Engine trans power and speed yet. How the bike feels and handles no. This is more aggressive than a sv650 and can handle better. Suspension brakes yada yada are just more fit to sporty rides than the sv650.
To me it’s a really good looking bike. it just tries to be a super sport too much but can’t even compete with some of the other 600 non super sports like cbr650r
Agreed
It’s not a 4 cylinder. A 2 cylinder 700 will make less power and make it differently than a 4 cylinder of equal displacement. But it has its appeal. It may be slower but the torque gives it a low speed feel fast that faster 4 cylinders just can’t. They will feel more sluggish at the bottom and make it more difficult at certain things. Pick your poison that’s different for everyone. But I was surprised man. After this video I rode it for another 45 min on the highway and it pulls way more than expected from 110-140 it’s actually solid. Not 600 solid but more than I thought for sure !
If youre riding proper twisties like in Cali (or here in Scotland), and not just doing big pulls on boring straight roads, the R7 will absolutely keep up with the cbr650.
They can’t be that far off from each other. lol none of these are blowing the other out of the water.
I'm on a ninja 650 and want the new zx6r... or should I just get a liter bike?
I can’t tell you what to get. They are both going to be a lot faster. With a 600 you will feel that the low end between 4 to 7000 RPM is a lot slower. With a 1000 it will feel faster all around. A 600 will weigh and handle similar to your 650 where a 1000 will feel slower and heavier side to side. The main question is.. do you feel confident in your ability to handle a motorcycle that’s a lot faster or one that’s faster but not drastically faster like a 1000 would be?
Comparing the seat heights between the two- The R7 and Gsxr600, which one is more easy to flat foot? I know the R7 is technically taller, but I think the seat is slimmer making it seem lower?
Yes you can always adjust height don’t forget that. That’s why I don’t talk about it a lot because you can change that to fit you.
But the 600 is slightly taller and wider. Bother do feel different when you sit back on the seat and front but the r7 for sure is more narrow at the top of the legs. I’m 5’10. I can flat feet both on both sides.
GSXR is a full inch lower and easier to flat foot (31.9’ vs 32.9 on the R7)
My bad guys I was referring to my zx6 😂😂😂
@@NostalgicMotorcycles 32.7’ seat high on the ZX6
Yes but don’t ever trust numbers or take them as true value. Motorcycle specs are pretty dumb because they never tell the full story.
Look up how wide each seat is. A shorter seat height with a wider seat (legs more spread) can still feel taller since your legs arnt straight down. That’s the case here. The r7 is thinner so your legs can actually stand taller. 600 are wider bikes. Your legs will have to bend to clear the seat width.
id say its a good beginner bike because it lets you get used to the wheight of a 600 without the speed of a 600, for someone who has experience id say it has no reason to exist, the 600 is simply better in every way
Matter of opinion. A 600 is not lighter and does not handle as easy. A 600 is not as comfortable to ride. A 600 is more demanding on the body for longer rides. I prefer a 600 personally I love the power and that’s enough for me to pick it as my bike but there are people out there who don’t just care about the top end those other things matter as well. Yes it’s slower but it is more comfortable so for those commuters that want a sporty bike. Even if it’s slower it’s better (at that)
depends on the use case, really
Oh ya for sure. I try and gear things to the newer people who havnt been riding as I assume most seasoned riders will not be jumping on the smaller slower bikes of the modern day.
I own a r7 now for 1 year now , i am thinking of upgrading to a R1 soon, thoughts?
You scared ?
No lol i havent riden anyting faster than a r7 so i dont know big of a difference it is @@NostalgicMotorcycles
@@finalevolution2669 Truth is anything faster than what your used to will feel extremely fast. If your scared you will end up doing something dumb freak out and get hurt. If your not scared you will take it easy and get a feel but not freak out so your good. My honest opinion is if you can ride one bike you can ride them all. you may not be able to ride every bike to its full potential but you can ride it from point A to Point B and be fine. Treat the faster bike like a commuter and get use to it. you'll be fine. Its fast as fuck but you control that with your wrist. any bike that can go 200 can also go 20. its the riders choice. Like a loaded gun it cant shoot itself. A R1 wont send itself flying without someone to pull the trigger.
the bike will make more sense with a proper exhaust 👻
Ya the stock one is very quiet ! I do like the sound on them when they have a nice exhaust though.
I do not know why people try to compare 2 different categories of bikes I am riding R6 and i ll upgrade to R7 because mostly of mid torque for city driving
Interesting. I wouldn’t consider an r7 an “upgrade”. Maybe to a smaller bike but not from a 600
@@NostalgicMotorcycles to me is upgrade because i move to city and i do not have track days or somewhere to rev it over 8k rpm
Gotcha a full metropolitan city. I live in Florida. Our “city” traffic is 55-60 mph lol. You probably only g 35-40 in guessing.
Fact is, Yamaha was desperate to maintain it's share of the SS market that they opted to label the R3 and R7 Supersports. That is in the eye of their marketers. Not the riders. Should a R7 owner upgrade to a Inline 4 600cc SS, yes. 100% The bikes are night and day. The R7 is closer to the R3 than the R6.
I agree its not a SuperSport for sure. But its a night and day power difference from r3 to r7 not as much as a full 600 but that is a very good step up.
Get a 1000 instead. Best bike in every way.
Matter of opinion bro. This is geared towards the newer rider and that’s not true for someone with lesser experience.
Once you know what your doing I could see that but not everyone wants to be the biggest baddest thing around. There are a lot of humans that want to have a different experience and enjoy a different feeling bike. That’s why they make them all. If a 1000 was for everyone the other bikes wouldn’t exist. Give them a try lol
1000s have power modes for a reason, they're much better bikes overall even as seating position goes, torque from down low, you can cruise way better on them, if you can handle a 600 you can handle a 1000. I started on a gen 3 hayabusa and I don't regret a single second. Flawless experience instead of a tiny bike that makes me feel unsafe on the highway. To each their own, if you're confident and talented enough you can ride anything, you can unalive yourself on a 400cc just as easy. Self control is what dictates the outcome nowadays. And I'll never consider any bike better than the 1000s and over that. The 6 axis IMU is a life saver and lower tier bikes don't have them, only really expensive new 600s@@NostalgicMotorcycles
I don’t disagree at all. I think exactly as you do. The fact doesn’t change that a 1000 in rain/slow what ever mode is still faster than a 600 everywhere. A 6 axis imu can not save you from giving a bike too much throttle while leaned over. And someone who isn’t 100% confident will make those mistakes may it because of their confidence and they don’t realize it but some people can’t handle themselves that way and expecting every person to think and feel as we do is un rational. As there are people that are new and timid. If your new and confident yeet yourself into oblivion be my guest. You’re not everyone and the people that are don’t need to be told to start on a small bike they won’t do it. The people that are on the edge and doubting it should not jump on a 1000 the lack of confidence could end up worse. Some people need baby steps bro.
@NostalgicMotorcycles you're both correct, but as a new 1k owner with 600cc track experience, there's no going back 😀
Lmfao I just have both so either way depends on how I feel that day !
Turbo an R7 and you’ll make more power in the midrange than a 1000cc bike with less weight. Dont sleep.
I’m sure you will but how many people ate out here actually doing that ?
@@NostalgicMotorcycles there’s a few and its been done. Search turbo R7 and watch some videos from extreme creations. I met a guy with a turbo R7 and he flys. Dont sleep.
You can find anything in the internet. But out of the several thousand r7 out. there are less than 100 for sure with a turbo. Less than 1% of the total lol. I’m sure there are way cheaper ways to go faster if that’s the goal.
Cool yes. Faster than stock yes. Great midrange yes. But the only real reason to have a turbo r7 is to say you have a turbo r7. There are faster turbo bikes if going fast is the point. Adding a turbo makes it not trackable around turns (which defeats the purpose of the bike). I’m not a cool factor type of rider so it doesn’t appeal to me personally. To ride someone else’s for sure that will be fun. But not to own ride and maintain one.
Wait, an R7 isn’t a higher tier than an R6?
That’s correct. Slower, lesser parts and components, the tech is the same really on the latest model. Maybe a slight bump to the 7 but a new design lol
@@NostalgicMotorcycles weird that they called it the R7 lol.
It’s 700cc. Makes perfect sense. But it’s a twin not a 4cyl. More displacement. Is usually faster. But more cylinders is actually more impactful than displacement. Genes why a 4 cyl 600 is way more powerful than a 2 cyl 700. Gotta take it all into account
@@NostalgicMotorcycles fair enough I suppose. I’m not really up to snuff on how engines work. My tiny brain is just like “7 is a bigger number than 6 so that means it should be better” 😂😂
They pitch it as an R which I get. Fun timing we don’t have an r6 but here is an r7. So I fully understand. My thought was the same until I realized what the engine was. But I know you understand the concept. Most Harley’s are much larger and much slower. Same case here.
I would say yes or just have them both lol
Its faster than I thought for sure the R7. I can see how you can use both actaully.
yeah I would totally track the r7 and keep the r6 street.@@NostalgicMotorcycles
@@twowheeltwanzy I haven't tracked either so I cant say. I know on short tracks the r7 might do it. but I prefer to have the power and longer gear of the 600 on track I think
ahhh gotcha okay! Most of the tracks i go to a lot of people have the r7 and believe it or not they are killing it when it comes to hitting the corners bro! Also you got my sub bro enjoy the bike talk @@NostalgicMotorcycles
@@twowheeltwanzy I enjoy it as well man thank you very much. I intend to take this zx6 eventually. I really have been into autocross on a cage not much on 2 wheels so thatll be a fun adventure to learn. any advice from hitting a track on2 v4 wheels ?
R7’s sound like mopeds
Only with a factory exhaust !! With an aftermarket it actually sounds nice. Its a deep sound similar to muscle cars
buy a two stroke
Lmfao have fun finding a new reliable 2 stroke sport bike
Whole lotta nothing for 700 ccs you know?
Not exactly. Engine size and speed are not as correlated as you might think. So if your expecting more power than 600 because its a 700 than yes. But if you just look at the bike as a 700cc twin and forget wanting a 700 to be faster because bigger number it has a lot to offer to riders before a full SuperSport.
@@NostalgicMotorcycles that’s fine thinking but Yamaha advertises it as a supersport. I think the 4 cylinder cb/cbr650 has a lot more to offer for being a midsized bike.
@@microsoft790 I will be riding a cb650 in the next week or so. Ill let you know what I think about these 2 against each other. But I know the 4cyl powerband is different. So It may feel very differently on the cb650 but it should be more "work" of the rpm and powerband for sure. Ill know more in a week.
@@NostalgicMotorcycles let me know what you think.
I still believe even though it has been 10 years now that Yamaha and Suzuki will release their parallel twins with superchargers on them like Suzuki had in their patent for the 800. If they do I’ll be at the dealer.
Ooo a charged twin would be interesting I haven’t heard anything about this I’d be very curious about that !
R7 vs ZX6R?😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
What about it ?
We all know the R7 is a shit bike, get a CBR650R
Dang that’s harsh lol I’ll be riding a cb650 in a week or so so I’ll get a good idea of what you mean.
I owned the cb650f 2nd gen (the one just before it went all neo-retro and "r"). While it was a great bike in many ways, the lack of mid range was annoying on the mountain roads here in Scotland. Having to go into a turn with 8k rpm, just to get some pull out the other side, gets old quick on the road. By the end of my ownership I wished I got the mt07 instead for that reason, even though, by all accounts, the suspension on the Mt was garbage compared to the CB.
I can see that. It would a 600 powerband with less overall power will make the bottom end miserable. R7 power was for sure easy and effortless. In any gear really
Bet you couldn't ride this "shit" bike to it's full potential lmfao
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