Billy Corgan talks about Butch Vig in the studio, funny stories, and his relationship with The Smashing Pumpkins. To donate to the channel go here: rickbeato.com/pages/donate
Nobody in the history of mankind has listened to Teen Spirit and gone... ohh that sounds like the Smashing Pumpkins. Even the 3 people who knew of the Pumpkins before Nirvana didnt think that.
Unbelievable Butch vig studied microphone diagrams and sound waves for 15 years and Billie waltzes in “that’s my sound I taught him that- TAD, L7, Nirvana, sonic youth, soul asylum.. yep that’s my sound. I even showed him how to layer the guitar for killdozer recordings” like wtf billie
@@ShinyFlakesShinyFlakes DUDE- First of all do you even know what “the wall of sound” is in audio engineering??? Anyway I think Billie is quite full of himself here. I’m not saying that a producer/engineer can’t learn from an artist but to say that he learned how to “layer guitars that way” I just don’t buy it.. layering guitars is the very FIRST thing you do when you’re an engineer.. like what audio engineer doesn’t layer things? Maybe Butch was subtly influenced to add more layers but idk I hate the way corgan takes credit and tries to minimize “teen spirit” to being a Boston rip off (which isnt true in my opinion- we can start naming 4 chord pumpkins songs, Today! cough cough that sound like other songs too) regarded as probably the most influential rock song of the 1990s .. idk, he’s clearly very jealous. And I want YOU to tell me what the “wall of sound” is without googling it before I think you’re qualifying to be speaking on this subject for real. Sorry I hope I wasn’t too harsh. I’m not a mean person I swear! I just, you know, don’t see it the same way- that’s all. 🙂 That being said I do love the smash pumpkins I also think they did a lot for alt rock music but maybe Billie could be a little more humble. Who taught Scott litt and Andy Wallace how to layer guitars then? And why do their mixes also have that guitar sound??
@@dmvconartists6657I mostly read honesty not so much jealousy in the “More Than A Feeling” comment. I think Corgan is more just recounting how he felt *at the time* here. Though I agree that he played up too much that the guitar sound was “his”. I also think he’s just being honest about the true song craft behind “Teen Spirit”. And the Boston riff *is* an influence on the riff-even Nirvana itself did mock cover of the opening of “More Than A Feeling”. He’s recounted the story of Kurt playing it for him multiple times and he seems pretty jovial about it.
"Butch once drank a glass of water, just after I invented water, and every time I drink a glass of water I'm reminded of Butch and how he drank water that I invented" - Billy Corgan
Have you seen the 2 1/2 hr one with Joe Rogan? Billy's had some really, truly deep and revealing interviews. He is beyond brilliant and has written the most beautiful music I've ever listened to in my life. His story is so fascinating.
@@puppetbreak9086 duh. But Gish and nevermind are both recorded in 91 and so was L7 and Tad- all that stuff sounds similar so how can you say it’s billie’s sound when there’s Killdozer and die Krusen and tad records that all come before may of 91 or during the same April -sept 91 period and have that sound. It’s clearly Butch mixing and mixing techniques that really make the sound although maybe he did something during the pumpkins sessions that he decided to continue doing that being said you can’t just take credit for NIRVANA, L7, TAD, SonicYouth and those bands guitar sounds.
Love this segment. Corgan is a solid raconteur. He goes beyond the average trip down memory lane by giving the audience a little juicy inside baseball and being candid about his competitiveness.
I'm a HUGE Nirvana fan and a huge Smashing Pumpkins album and I really don't think Siamese Dream gets nearly the credit it deserves. Nevermind is a PERFECT album, every song is amazing but Siamese Dream is ALSO a perfect album. Like I love Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam also, probably overall more than the Pumpkins but neither of those bands made a 'perfect' album ever but Pumpkins did. I think Siamese Dream really was the only of the 90s rock albums to match the level Nevermind reached in terms of songwriting, originality and production quality.
Same way man. Loving all these bands before the world discovered them was amazing, hearing this obscure band named Nirvana and their album Bleach for the first time in my buddies car (on cassette) as we headed to a bar is a moment I will never forget. Or seeing smacking pumpkins play a small bar near our college just months before Gish was released. I hope my kids have moments like that but the musical scene seems so different today.
Great producer, great band. Met Mr Corgan in August 2000 in Vancouver. We chatted briefly about My Bloody Valentine and how they achieved their guitar sounds. Very approachable, very down to Earth. A very positive experience. Happy New Years Billy! 🎶
@@galetinm To be fair He wasnt specifically talking about tone but the way it was captured. It's a good sound that has been copied many times over since then so I don't really feel like it's that big of a deal that he said that. Especially with the close relationship he had with both Nirvana and Butch Vig.
He has always been incredibly intelligent and articulate. I met him back in 1988 around the time the Pumpkins were getting going and always enjoyed talking with him. Great guy to talk baseball with as well.
Just awesome. Real stories from the dude that lived it. Nuff said. Btw I witnessed both bands for the 1st time on radio when they were brand new. I remember what I was doing and where I was for both of them. I knew I just witnessed and listened to legends. Now that I am 55 that has been confirmed finally and my wife believes me after 33 years. I win!
Fuckign hell , I had no idea that billy corgan was responsible for the entire sound of the late 80’s and early 90’s. Why isn’t he already in the hall, statues erected, monuments in DC. 😮🙄
Lol “it’s just more than a feeling.. and that’s my guitar sound.. and I’m reason Nirvana, L7, tad, sonic youth and soul asylum sound like that with layered guitars” 😩😫😫
@@HollowWaterso I appreciate the pumpkins, but Billy is such a conceded ass 😆, he's always had an in, with Courtney, and sometimes I think he knows a little more about what happened to Kurt than he says, just my opinion
We lived in Fontana on Lake Geneva when we were kids. We left Wisconsin for Florida in 1978. I wonder if Smashing Pumpkins ever played clubs there in Walworth County. I DO know of people who saw Cheap Trick play there before they made it big. I think it was a club on the lake called The Beachcombers?
I appreciate Billy’s honesty. And he just in a strange way described why Nirvana went with Steve Albini for In Utero. They could be themselves. Google Albini’s letter to Nirvana about their “recording contract”
As much as i appreciate billy corgan, to suggest that layering guitars is “his sound” is fucking ridiculous. almost every fucking band uses guitar layering, and butch vig likely knew to layer guitars beforehand. It’s common practice. Also there were 2 hard-panned guitar tracks in smells like teen spirit (besides 2 buried tracks in the chorus) so its not like it’s some unique layering of sort. Also, Nevermind’s guitar tone (and nirvana’s tone in general) sounds nothing like smashing pumpkins tones.
totally, and even IF that sound was a magically Pumkin recepe for success, Kurt ended up not liking the production of Nevermind. The writing excels here: Smells Like Teen, would have been a hit with a fuzz, a Metal zone, a Marshall, a Vox, mono, low fi, you name it, THE SONG is a truck. the voice, drums, the power and yes the song.
While Nirvana and the Pumpkins were great, I look back on the 90s and have warmer feelings about Alice in Chains, specifically Dirt. Siamese Dream was a masterpiece though and definitely one of the best records to come out of that era.
hey rick. you should do an interview with the POLVO guys. they had crazy gear, crazy tunings, and crazy songs. you once mentioned in another video how much you loved them, so that would be an epic interview. i mean, i love that you're doing these interviews with MAJOR LEAGUE 90s dudes--butch vig, billy corgan--but the deep dive stuff like the interview with adam franklin is what many more will remember, because no one else is doing that. others could include 90s chicago heroes tortoise, steve albini, & wilco (who are, admittedly, huge), and of course polvo who were/are fantastic. (incidentally, i saw swervedriver open for smashing pumpkins... nice confluence.) anyway, peace. thanks for the great vids.
I've lived in WI my whole life, 40 years, Cambridge wi is where I grew up, home of Matt Kenseth Nascar driver, Madison is only 13 miles from Cambridge, it's fun to hear these stories about being on the lake 4 th of July in Madison, smart studios, the whole nirvana butch smart studios history is such a cool story. I know where smart studios used to be and it makes me wonder what ever happened to the gear that was used for these sessions.
I think the fact that they continued to work with Butch Vig signals that “you stole my guitar sound motherfucker” was much more playful than accusatory. The way you bust your buddy’s balls.
For my money, Corgan was the best guitarist of his generation. Kurt, Cornell, Vedder, all were better singers though, obviously. But Soma, Mayonnaise, Drown... Corgan wrote some of the most interesting guitar riffs, abd easily had the best solos.
I disagree about Eddie Vedder. That guy is the worst singer to ever make a dollar…. If you can go find a video of him, singing with Glen Hansard live.. Eddie can’t even begin to hit any of the notes so he turns his face about 100° away from the microphone so that people can’t hear how is destroying the song Glenn is singing. The song has won Tony awards and Eddie Vedder destroys this song completely. It’s incredibly sad but hysterical at the same time for anyone that thinks Eddie Vedder is a good singer.! Eddie Vedder is probably as bad of a singer as Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan
I was cycling across the United States in the summer of 1994. 14 years old. In Branson, Missouri my friend told me he had two CDs that he’d bought for the trip and had yet to listen to them. They were Siamese Dream and Nevermind. One magical summer.
Don't get me wrong, Nevermind is a masterwork. Love that album along with In Utero. But, Siamese Dream was my "go to" album for the mid to late 90's. I still listen to the entire album to this day. Great interview.
"Butch Vig made sure Pumpkins would get across the line and not turn us into Nirvana..." Billy has ego the size of Jupiter. No one but Kurt Cobain could turn Nirvana into Nirvana. Let it go already, Billy.
@@JohnDoe-tm9wz Kurt was true to his identity too. He liked both the Beatles and punk rock. And Nevermind sounds exactly like a crossover between these two. So.
Siamese Dream was absolutely epochal for me. I actually liked the Pumpkins more than any other band (eg: Nirvana, Soundgarden, et al- whom I also loved) back then (except for my bloody valentine).
I like Billy. He's incredibly smart and honest about his feelings,..sometimes to a fault. Great perspective on the era and his contribution to it. Great stuff.
Billy is so well spoken, You could easily pass off his words as cocky or Arrogant, but I don't doubt his recollection on Vig and Nirvana for a minute, Everyday teachers learn something from students and vice versa. Further more, Cobain always complained about how he didn't like the Sound of NEVERMIND and had Andy Wallace remix the entire Album. Maybe that was the reason
There were a lot of good producers and people that worked on great records durning the "grunge" era. I'd say Butch had chops and a vision, and was in the right place at the right time.
If you listen carefully to the whole story, that's not what he says. You listened and reported like a journalist. Seeking sensation. Are you journalist?
Siamese Dream might be the best alt rock album of all time. It was the 90s' nostalgia perfected. Corgans' musical ear and knowledge is masterful. He knows exactly what he is looking for.
Butch Vig produced Nirvana before Never mind e.g. Dive anyways, also TAD etc BV sound is across lots of alt rock in 90/91 I am sure he took stuff and loaded into Gish as well…but tbh his sound is pretty consistent across loads of people in that period
Nevermind and BLOOD SUGAR SEX MAGIC were released on the same day. It was so great growing up in that time. To me, BSSM is the much better album. Still, they both are amazing records from my teen years.
Saw Billy and the band in the backstage of Hollywood Rock 96 concert in Rio for the MCIS tour. TSP opened for The Cure and they played Boys Don’t Cry. Both concerts were great.
In part 2 we discuss how Billy corgan wrote, sang, played all instruments and produced Nevermind
LOL! Got 2 mins in and thought the same thing. He’s SO Humble! 😭
🤣
part3: To be true I'm really Kurt cobain
Part 4: Billy Corgan on not wanting to take credit for producing the multiverse.
Part 5: …………..I just wanted to be included.
It’s really nice to see someone talk about an artist who they have so much reverence and respect for. Billy really loves Billy.
I love smashing pumpkins 90's work but he has always been a ass in that way.
@aboutthisproduct7674 yep its part of his "charm"
😆 🤣 😂
Nobody in the history of mankind has listened to Teen Spirit and gone... ohh that sounds like the Smashing Pumpkins. Even the 3 people who knew of the Pumpkins before Nirvana didnt think that.
Rick is a genius knowing this was the time to just sit and listen.
Of course the “story about Butch” is actually about Billy and HIS guitar sound.
Unbelievable Butch vig studied microphone diagrams and sound waves for 15 years and Billie waltzes in “that’s my sound I taught him that- TAD, L7, Nirvana, sonic youth, soul asylum.. yep that’s my sound. I even showed him how to layer the guitar for killdozer recordings” like wtf billie
Why do you say that man? Corgan is the innovator here, not Bitch. It was Corgan who layered the guitars for the wall of sound sound.
@@ShinyFlakesShinyFlakes DUDE- First of all do you even know what “the wall of sound” is in audio engineering??? Anyway I think Billie is quite full of himself here. I’m not saying that a producer/engineer can’t learn from an artist but to say that he learned how to “layer guitars that way” I just don’t buy it.. layering guitars is the very FIRST thing you do when you’re an engineer.. like what audio engineer doesn’t layer things? Maybe Butch was subtly influenced to add more layers but idk I hate the way corgan takes credit and tries to minimize “teen spirit” to being a Boston rip off (which isnt true in my opinion- we can start naming 4 chord pumpkins songs, Today! cough cough that sound like other songs too) regarded as probably the most influential rock song of the 1990s .. idk, he’s clearly very jealous. And I want YOU to tell me what the “wall of sound” is without googling it before I think you’re qualifying to be speaking on this subject for real.
Sorry I hope I wasn’t too harsh. I’m not a mean person I swear! I just, you know, don’t see it the same way- that’s all. 🙂 That being said I do love the smash pumpkins I also think they did a lot for alt rock music but maybe Billie could be a little more humble. Who taught Scott litt and Andy Wallace how to layer guitars then? And why do their mixes also have that guitar sound??
@@dmvconartists6657I mostly read honesty not so much jealousy in the “More Than A Feeling” comment.
I think Corgan is more just recounting how he felt *at the time* here. Though I agree that he played up too much that the guitar sound was “his”.
I also think he’s just being honest about the true song craft behind “Teen Spirit”. And the Boston riff *is* an influence on the riff-even Nirvana itself did mock cover of the opening of “More Than A Feeling”.
He’s recounted the story of Kurt playing it for him multiple times and he seems pretty jovial about it.
If it's true he can talk about it.
Oh Billy, your head could never fit in the door anywhere.
Would probably ruin Billy’s day to know Travis Meeks was writing circles around him….as a teenager.
The guitar sound on Siamese Dream is unparalleled.
it's my fav. pumpkins album.
Also love Gish, and Mellon Collie
immensely.
Blew me away at the time, lush, articulate distortion and massive
It's also totally different from the Nevermind guitar sound
and they ruined it with the remaster
"Butch once drank a glass of water, just after I invented water, and every time I drink a glass of water I'm reminded of Butch and how he drank water that I invented" - Billy Corgan
He straight up admits he stole Kevin's (MBV) tone, and gets butt hurt when other people layer guitars.
Hahahahaahahahahhahahaha
😂
One of the best Corgan interviews ever. You could tell he respects Rick as he was tentative at first, he got more comfortable as it went on.
Same happened with Sting. They come to respect Rick in a process.
Have you seen the 2 1/2 hr one with Joe Rogan? Billy's had some really, truly deep and revealing interviews. He is beyond brilliant and has written the most beautiful music I've ever listened to in my life. His story is so fascinating.
I love the thoughtful way that billy communicates
Good Old Billy, Taking credit for Nevermind and Butch producing it now....
he created the guitar apparently
🤣🤣 "Every 18 seconds they play teen spirit and I think 'theres MY guitar part"
...ok Mr. Bill. 🤣🤣🤣
Unbelievable right.. egotistical prick
Tbf the guitars on Nevermind sound a lot more like the guitars on Gish than the guitars on Bleach
@@puppetbreak9086 duh. But Gish and nevermind are both recorded in 91 and so was L7 and Tad- all that stuff sounds similar so how can you say it’s billie’s sound when there’s Killdozer and die Krusen and tad records that all come before may of 91 or during the same April -sept 91 period and have that sound. It’s clearly Butch mixing and mixing techniques that really make the sound although maybe he did something during the pumpkins sessions that he decided to continue doing that being said you can’t just take credit for NIRVANA, L7, TAD, SonicYouth and those bands guitar sounds.
Love this segment. Corgan is a solid raconteur.
He goes beyond the average trip down memory lane by giving the audience a little juicy inside baseball and being candid about his competitiveness.
Wicked awesome segment! Love these interviews Rick!
Thanks for the clip , was a really good interview
I love this so much, what a fantastic conversation.
For me ‘Nevermind’ was ground-breaking. But Siamese Dream just connected on every level. ❤
I'm a HUGE Nirvana fan and a huge Smashing Pumpkins album and I really don't think Siamese Dream gets nearly the credit it deserves. Nevermind is a PERFECT album, every song is amazing but Siamese Dream is ALSO a perfect album. Like I love Alice In Chains and Pearl Jam also, probably overall more than the Pumpkins but neither of those bands made a 'perfect' album ever but Pumpkins did. I think Siamese Dream really was the only of the 90s rock albums to match the level Nevermind reached in terms of songwriting, originality and production quality.
@@siansphericajar of flies was the most sold EP ever until Linkin Park/JayZ's Numb mash up and I'd say it is perfect. Ten is a pretty great album too.
Nevermind was for teenagers. Siamese Dream was for adults.
@@TopherBlairMusicthat's an absurd statement my friend.
@@sianspherica Ten is perfect.
I get emotional every time there is an honest sharing about those early 90s times... I was 18 at 91 and am feeling still a part of of that era
Same way man. Loving all these bands before the world discovered them was amazing, hearing this obscure band named Nirvana and their album Bleach for the first time in my buddies car (on cassette) as we headed to a bar is a moment I will never forget. Or seeing smacking pumpkins play a small bar near our college just months before Gish was released. I hope my kids have moments like that but the musical scene seems so different today.
@@Hilaire_Balrog you're lucky seeing them live at their height. Perks of living in the usa
I look back at 91/92 as kind of a smaller version of the British Invasion of the mid 60’s. So many great artists. Completely changed the genre.
A lot of this makes so much more sense after the butch interview. Awesome job Rick
Great producer, great band. Met Mr Corgan in August 2000 in Vancouver. We chatted briefly about My Bloody Valentine and how they achieved their guitar sounds. Very approachable, very down to Earth. A very positive experience. Happy New Years Billy! 🎶
Was that the year they came to Vancouver but didn't sell out there tickets?
@@alukuhito I think they were playing with other groups. It was called Summersault 2000.
Billy Corgan is really starting to grow on me lately with the interviews he has been doing the past few years. Great storyteller for sure!
With a massive ego. He invented Nevermind guitar sound. Give me a break.
@@galetinm To be fair He wasnt specifically talking about tone but the way it was captured. It's a good sound that has been copied many times over since then so I don't really feel like it's that big of a deal that he said that. Especially with the close relationship he had with both Nirvana and Butch Vig.
He has always been incredibly intelligent and articulate. I met him back in 1988 around the time the Pumpkins were getting going and always enjoyed talking with him. Great guy to talk baseball with as well.
Just awesome. Real stories from the dude that lived it. Nuff said. Btw I witnessed both bands for the 1st time on radio when they were brand new. I remember what I was doing and where I was for both of them. I knew I just witnessed and listened to legends. Now that I am 55 that has been confirmed finally and my wife believes me after 33 years. I win!
😎 Thanks Billy 🎸 Rick ⚓️
Billy Corgan is a fantastic interview!
Great snippet from the interview. I found all of this fascinating. Would love to see an interview with Butch sometime.
I second this 🤘🏻✊🏻✌🏻
I third this!
One of the best Billy Corgan interviews. Great job Rick!
It is. You are correct A A Ron
@@justinpridham7919 AINT NONE OF YALL OLD ENOUGH… TO GO TO THE DAMN CLUB!
@@bluemcdaniel99 Huh? I was in high school when Billy was clubbing with Rodman.
@@justinpridham7919 That what key said in the substitute sketch lol
Great interview, Rick!
Fuckign hell , I had no idea that billy corgan was responsible for the entire sound of the late 80’s and early 90’s. Why isn’t he already in the hall, statues erected, monuments in DC. 😮🙄
I appreciate his candidness.
I think Kurt's guitar is more Kurt's than Billy's.
Butch definitely deserves an interview in this channel, just saying... ☺
Guess what? 😉
Thanks for that!
Corgan ALWAYS finds a way to put down Nirvana. Every single time
He also praises them, so...
Lol “it’s just more than a feeling.. and that’s my guitar sound.. and I’m reason Nirvana, L7, tad, sonic youth and soul asylum sound like that with layered guitars” 😩😫😫
@@alukuhito he manipulates people to think he’s not still jealous or mad, but he still is.
@@HollowWaterso I appreciate the pumpkins, but Billy is such a conceded ass 😆, he's always had an in, with Courtney, and sometimes I think he knows a little more about what happened to Kurt than he says, just my opinion
Or Pearl Jam, or (insert band)…
Rick is such a good interviewer! He just shuts up and listens... (which you definitely have to do with Billy Corgan.)
Siamese Dream is the soundtrack of my teenage years.
Thanks Rik. In defense of everyone involved back in those times, this needed to be posted.
Butch Vig produced Let Your Dim Light Shine by Soul Asylum. That’s his greatest achievement to me.
Soul Asylum was great and it sucks they didn't have more success
Loved this
And Butch was inspired to make his own band: Garbage. Icon
We lived in Fontana on Lake Geneva when we were kids. We left Wisconsin for Florida in 1978. I wonder if Smashing Pumpkins ever played clubs there in Walworth County. I DO know of people who saw Cheap Trick play there before they made it big. I think it was a club on the lake called The Beachcombers?
Billy's recent interview on Howard Stern was also quite good.
The Rick Beato interview, I could probably watch a few more times.
Can’t get over the fact that Billy’s hands are a different color from each other
I noticed that too. Does he have some kind of condition?
@@rhanlon70 Yeah it's called Klippel-Trenaunay syndrome. Thankfully it's just a birthmark.
@@xCaLLMeGHeTTo Wow, I had no idea. Is he in pain from it?
It's called a port wine stain birthmark.
He’s only in pain when people comment on it.
I appreciate Billy’s honesty. And he just in a strange way described why Nirvana went with Steve Albini for In Utero. They could be themselves. Google Albini’s letter to Nirvana about their “recording contract”
Gish & Nevermind are my two favorite albums from that whole period & style of music.
"I used the word Hello in my conversations and then Kurt Cobain used too" Billy Corgan
I would love Billy to record his voice for an Audio Book about Alternative Music 😀😀😀
It is just a supreme guitar sound.
I am glad this guy is still alive and embracing his wisdom
No puedo dejar de mirar la mano tan roja de Billy. Da cosica.
As much as i appreciate billy corgan, to suggest that layering guitars is “his sound” is fucking ridiculous. almost every fucking band uses guitar layering, and butch vig likely knew to layer guitars beforehand. It’s common practice. Also there were 2 hard-panned guitar tracks in smells like teen spirit (besides 2 buried tracks in the chorus) so its not like it’s some unique layering of sort.
Also, Nevermind’s guitar tone (and nirvana’s tone in general) sounds nothing like smashing pumpkins tones.
totally, and even IF that sound was a magically Pumkin recepe for success, Kurt ended up not liking the production of Nevermind. The writing excels here: Smells Like Teen, would have been a hit with a fuzz, a Metal zone, a Marshall, a Vox, mono, low fi, you name it, THE SONG is a truck. the voice, drums, the power and yes the song.
Also…I’m sure My Bloody Valentine, heard Smashing Pumpkins and said”hey, that’s my guitar sound”
While Nirvana and the Pumpkins were great, I look back on the 90s and have warmer feelings about Alice in Chains, specifically Dirt. Siamese Dream was a masterpiece though and definitely one of the best records to come out of that era.
you do a great job, letting people answer questions and get their thoughts out instead of constantly redirecting to be in control
hey rick. you should do an interview with the POLVO guys. they had crazy gear, crazy tunings, and crazy songs. you once mentioned in another video how much you loved them, so that would be an epic interview. i mean, i love that you're doing these interviews with MAJOR LEAGUE 90s dudes--butch vig, billy corgan--but the deep dive stuff like the interview with adam franklin is what many more will remember, because no one else is doing that. others could include 90s chicago heroes tortoise, steve albini, & wilco (who are, admittedly, huge), and of course polvo who were/are fantastic. (incidentally, i saw swervedriver open for smashing pumpkins... nice confluence.) anyway, peace. thanks for the great vids.
Lol at the vest.
In the 90s it seems like Butch was involved with everything I liked in some capacity
I’m sure Scott litt and Andy Wallace did a lot of stuff u like too
I've lived in WI my whole life, 40 years, Cambridge wi is where I grew up, home of Matt Kenseth Nascar driver, Madison is only 13 miles from Cambridge, it's fun to hear these stories about being on the lake 4 th of July in Madison, smart studios, the whole nirvana butch smart studios history is such a cool story. I know where smart studios used to be and it makes me wonder what ever happened to the gear that was used for these sessions.
Madison is a great city. Far out.
Interesting here that Corgan claims Butch Vig 'stole' his guitar sound when Corgan himself stole that sound from Kevin Shields/My Bloody Valentine
He needs to become acquainted with the word "influence"
I think the fact that they continued to work with Butch Vig signals that “you stole my guitar sound motherfucker” was much more playful than accusatory. The way you bust your buddy’s balls.
Your dumb. He is talking about guitar layering not tone
I love William “Billy” Patrick Corgan
I liked In Utero way more than Nevermind. It was way heavier, more raw.
In Utero is the one record I could listen to every day from beginning to end. Love it.
billy ❤ billy
For my money, Corgan was the best guitarist of his generation.
Kurt, Cornell, Vedder, all were better singers though, obviously.
But Soma, Mayonnaise, Drown... Corgan wrote some of the most interesting guitar riffs, abd easily had the best solos.
Best songs of all of them too.
I disagree about Eddie Vedder. That guy is the worst singer to ever make a dollar…. If you can go find a video of him, singing with Glen Hansard live.. Eddie can’t even begin to hit any of the notes so he turns his face about 100° away from the microphone so that people can’t hear how is destroying the song Glenn is singing. The song has won Tony awards and Eddie Vedder destroys this song completely. It’s incredibly sad but hysterical at the same time for anyone that thinks Eddie Vedder is a good singer.! Eddie Vedder is probably as bad of a singer as Jimi Hendrix or Bob Dylan
Killer boots man!
I was cycling across the United States in the summer of 1994. 14 years old. In Branson, Missouri my friend told me he had two CDs that he’d bought for the trip and had yet to listen to them. They were Siamese Dream and Nevermind. One magical summer.
'Siamese Dream' is fkin' Great❤👌
Mayonnaise is the song from Siamese Dream. Beauty
Smashing pumpkins were incredible
I find this so moving that I'm tempted to claim it should be featured in MOMA.
Happy New year ❤👍
Don't get me wrong, Nevermind is a masterwork. Love that album along with In Utero. But, Siamese Dream was my "go to" album for the mid to late 90's. I still listen to the entire album to this day. Great interview.
"Butch Vig made sure Pumpkins would get across the line and not turn us into Nirvana..." Billy has ego the size of Jupiter. No one but Kurt Cobain could turn Nirvana into Nirvana. Let it go already, Billy.
That's not what he's saying, Billy meant that the Pumpkins would stay true to their identity and Siamese Dream wouldn't sound like Nevermind
@@JohnDoe-tm9wz Kurt was true to his identity too. He liked both the Beatles and punk rock. And Nevermind sounds exactly like a crossover between these two. So.
@@aliya_punkenglish I rest my case.
@@JohnDoe-tm9wz Thank god you do, because Billy wouldn't.
@@aliya_punkenglish He acknowledged Kurt was better and Nevermind was the defining record of their generation.
Siamese Dream was absolutely epochal for me. I actually liked the Pumpkins more than any other band (eg: Nirvana, Soundgarden, et al- whom I also loved) back then (except for my bloody valentine).
I did, too, but later turned into a bigger SG fan than any of the rest.
Yeah Billy, because no one layered guitar before SP lol
Jimmy Page was the master of layering.
I like Billy. He's incredibly smart and honest about his feelings,..sometimes to a fault. Great perspective on the era and his contribution to it. Great stuff.
He's a jerk
He still so salty Nirvana became the biggest band of the generation instead of him lol
I cant figure out which of these dudes is more humble.
Nevermind never really resonated with me. Siamese Dream did.
I think Billy had a idea to travel to small towns and just kind of talk to people❤ I really liked that
03:41 that’s news to me.
Heavy.
Wow at Corgan having the balls to say he created the sound for Nevermind.
Billy is so well spoken,
You could easily pass off his words as cocky or Arrogant, but I don't doubt his recollection on Vig and Nirvana for a minute, Everyday teachers learn something from students and vice versa.
Further more, Cobain always complained about how he didn't like the Sound of NEVERMIND and had Andy Wallace remix the entire Album. Maybe that was the reason
I would like to see you two interviews. One with Chuck Dukowski from Black Flag and the second Eerie Von from Samhain and Danzig.
Gish was magic when it came out
God he is full of himself.
I like billy.He’s looked down on because he don’t put up with bs.
Nobody loves Corgan more than Corgan. Always loves talking about himself
To be fair that’s exactly what interviews are. 1 person asks another questions about themselves or their opinion on something.
Butch Vig is literally the God of 90s grunge.
There were a lot of good producers and people that worked on great records durning the "grunge" era. I'd say Butch had chops and a vision, and was in the right place at the right time.
Jack Endino got the first Soundgarden and Nirvana albums and recorded Bleach for $690.
He did a great job on killdozers 12 point buck.
Boohoo little Silly Corgan. Butch and Kurt stole my lunch money! I’m telling mom and dad !
If you listen carefully to the whole story, that's not what he says. You listened and reported like a journalist. Seeking sensation. Are you journalist?
Silly Corgan 😂
He is a dream. I have no idea.
Most of us came to hear about the tree incident. Fans know everything about the band but little details about the "Timber!" story.
Is this filmed at Ardent studios?
Billy is such and icon and a genius.
Good video
Billy is first reaction of nirvana stealing his guitar tone is classic narcissist
Sounds a lot like Jack Black and The Black Keys. That did get nasty.
Siamese Dream might be the best alt rock album of all time. It was the 90s' nostalgia perfected. Corgans' musical ear and knowledge is masterful. He knows exactly what he is looking for.
Siamese Dream is one of the best sounding records of all time. Deftones Koi No Yokan is up there as well
Butch Vig produced Nirvana before Never mind e.g. Dive anyways, also TAD etc BV sound is across lots of alt rock in 90/91 I am sure he took stuff and loaded into Gish as well…but tbh his sound is pretty consistent across loads of people in that period
As much as I love The Pumpkins’ earlier albums, Billy can be unbelievably self indulgent. Annoyingly so
Every time i hear Led Zeppelin IV I go “there’s my drum sound”.
Nevermind and BLOOD SUGAR SEX MAGIC were released on the same day. It was so great growing up in that time. To me, BSSM is the much better album. Still, they both are amazing records from my teen years.
BSSM was a piece of art as well. The production and mixing are a thing of beauty.
The Red Hand.
Billy for sure is by far the best songwriter of his generation.
Totally. And so underrated.
The range of emotions he can pull put of me from one album is more than any other band or artist. He's so diverse.
Yes. A genius 🎸
Saw Billy and the band in the backstage of Hollywood Rock 96 concert in Rio for the MCIS tour. TSP opened for The Cure and they played Boys Don’t Cry. Both concerts were great.
He was great but Kurt and Cornell were better.