Billy Corgan: How Smashing Pumpkins Recorded "Tonight, Tonight"
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 พ.ค. 2024
- In this clip, Smashing Pumpkins frontman Billy Corgan talks about recording the hit song "Tonight, Tonight".
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Billy Corgan is a very intelligent, articulate man and I can hear it in Smashing Pumpkins music.
Billy Corgan is a great guy to listen to. Really original and honest
I was 15 when Mellon Collie released. Billy is talking about being 55 in this interview.
I normally don’t care for my age but damn, now I’m thinking about all the years that have passed.
The cruel irony is that it will go faster the more you age.
i was also 15 when it came out. i remember going to the record store at midnight to buy it. that was so long ago now.
similar but 16, born 1979...
A couple of years ago there was a big “anniversary” of the release of Nirvana’s Nevermind.
I was like “Wow! Has it been 20 years already?!, wow”.
It wasn’t. It was 30. F M L
Im about the same age. I feel like we were lucky to have the end of an era of true unfiltered music
Siamese Dream will always be THE album that always have a very special place in my heart.
Same. I remember when it came out. It was life changing for me. I saw them at Lollapalooza in 1994 when I was 15, and they closed with Mayonnaise & Soma, and it was one of the greatest moments of my entire life!
@MixtapeMagic I saw them then too.
Insane. Beastie Boys, Tribe Called Quest, George Clinton, SP... my favorite concert of all time.
@@MixtapeMagicmayonaise for me is the equivalent of Catcher in the Rye. A classic about a certain time in one’s life that you can never go back to but also speaks to the adult the kid has turned into.
@@MixtapeMagicI was there too. One the best days of my life!
I love Billy’s answers about social media and technology in the music industry, unexpected from someone of his age and considering his formidable career
Yeah I'm glad he didn't take Rick's "old man yells at clouds" bait
@@dilanabey exactly! The questions were phrased to coerce him into answering a certain way, but he didn’t walk into the trap
I think it could have been a trap question but that's not how it came across to me. To me it's exactly the kind of question that myself and many people would want to ask him. Because it's the question that bothers a lot of us. And it makes the answer that much more useful and relevant.
I think a good perspective is that if we weren't living in this current reality there'd just be some other reality that's not any inherently better or worse for music as an artwork and a career. The music industry from the 1950s-2000s were largely dominated by record labels, radio stations and TV which sucked for artists too
@@ReadyMindsetGo yeah I mean I don't think Rick was trying to trap him - Rick clearly DOES believe there is a difference in "kind" (rather than quality) with current music/the industry. Still I appreciate that Billy didn't just give the more facile/boring answer that those who worry would likely give
I want to have Billy do audio books, his voice is great
I saw Billy and the Pumpkins at the Spectrum in Philly during the Melon Collie tour in the 90s. I still have a concert T and the ticket stub 😊
I always find Billy entertaining and really interesting. He's so intelligent and very talented. So glad he sat down with Rick.
His 90s era music was great. He's always been annoying in interviews though. Way too full of himself.
2:50 “…musical language has devolved in the last 10 to 15 years commensurate to technology but that’s what geniuses are for…”
Compelling minds create great artistry. That’s Billy Corgan folks!
" a dopamine-rich society.... "
A supremely rich description.
Exactly.
Hense the drug problem, particularly the drugs that release it.
Despite all our rage we are still just rats in a cage…
Dopamine dependent
Smashing Pumpkins are ingrained into my youth. Your music still hits all the rights spots. I can close my eyes and see the album cover for "Mellon collie and the infinite sadness". Thank you!
Billy, I grew up learning guitar on Siamese Dream. I’ve been playing guitar every day for the 32 years. I’m in Chicago and I hear you’re looking for a guitarist. I’d play with you and Jimmy all day long!
Link the demo! :)
@@peppermintpig974apparently TH-cam won’t let me link. It keeps deleting my post. 😢
This is my favourite Pumpkins song of all time… and one of my all time favourite songs in general.
I love how certain Billy is about music.
I think kids are always gonna gravitate towards excitement...... Nailed it!
When I was a kid in the late 1990s, I remember my other music-nut friends talking about bands and gossip they had heard in various places (magazines, on Web 1.0, etc) and hearing about Billy Corgan. How he was mean or an a-hole or whatever the angle was. Now as an adult it's extremely clear that Billy is a smart person with strong stances on things and he says them without a sugar coat. That's the long and the short of it. Being of strong conviction.
He was always a very clever songwriter and arranger, and I think that intelligence was eventually what ended his time in the radio spotlight. He didn't lose the ability to write music like his first 2-3 albums, he got bored of writing it. He chose to stop writing that style of music and try to forge new sounds and composition styles. He could have gone the Weezer route and said "you know what? Okay. I'll write stuff that the radio loves from here on out" as a course correction, but he didn't. Both Rivers Cuomo and Billy Corgan are fantastic songwriters from the same era, they just approached music as a job differently.
Yeah, agreed. I've followed Corgan since I was a little 6 year-old kid with Siamese Dream. He's been putting out good albums since. Oceania is slept on HEAVILY! and Monuments to an Elegy was the soundtrack to my life when it came out around 2014.
His new material post 2002 is completely awful and out of touch
December of 1995 I was 11 hanging out in our garage after bedtime, in the dark, listening to the radio on the Walkman. I was playing with my bike, turning the pedal and watching the wheel spin when I hear "Up next, a new one from the Smashing Pumpkins!" It got my attention because I already liked the song from them that came out a few months eariler.
The opening strings hit, the snare drumming, the cinematic score, the melody, the guitars... it was so undescribably beautiful. It replaced my favorite song at the time, Bohemian Rhapsody when it finished. I knew immediately that The Smashing Pumpkins were MY band, and that I needed to start finding more of their music.
This is one of my favorite memories from childhood. They have been my all time favorite band ever since.
rick beato is awesome,
The PSA at the end really helped me hit the subscribe button 🙌🏾
I used to really dislike Billy, but over the years I’ve really grown like this guy!
Billy Corgan was one of the reason I picked up the guitar in 1991.
Been enjoying guitar 30 +years now.
Me too, as a young guitarist I was massively influenced by his playing.
So you heard Gish and said fuck yeah?
@@youropionmattersnot for me, yes.
Siamese dream was my first guitar teacher
Billy never fails to impress me 🙌
Ive been loving Billy and the pumpkins for 20+ years. Billy lives in a distorted reality. There is no f way “the world knows” 30/40 of his songs. I’ve encountered pumpkins fans who do not know that many. “The world” knows disarm, 1979 and tonight tonight. Maybe Bullet but that’s it
Fantastic interview!!!! Greetings from Argentina!!
That song is perfect and magical …
Again, it’s the journey that cannot be bettered. The longer I live, the greater the number of areas encompassed and the number of times I arrive at the same truth. 💜
Radio and MTV was my childhood cellphone and it was incredible
Incredible interview.
He wrote Disarm in St. Louis. He mentioned it before playing it at the Fox Theater. I was luckily there for that performance.
Love interviews w Billy. Such a G
Great interview! Thank you.
Yes...I had a moment like this on our band's latest song. I made a guitar part, a step down that evolved to perfection only at the last part. I wanted to keep it.
I like the imperfection until the end's perfection; the evolution that the song naturally took - a journey.
That was wonderful & beautifully said!
Rick, another fantastic interview (or partial interview)! I like the Pumpkins, but didn't love them, especially live, back in the day. I bet I'd have a completely different take on them now. As for Jimmy Chamberlain improving as a drummer, I think the great ones (and I'm not saying he is; I haven't heard him play in 25+ years) are always learning and improving... look at Neil Peart
Tonight tonight made me a smashing pumpkins fan. The music video was perfectly aligned with the music.
Always an insanely beautiful guitar.
Loved their acoustic version live, so beautiful
Excellent interview.
I learned three new words hearing this
and Kevin Shields
Holy Crap!!! This is Beato 2!! Wow, brother. I’m subscribed. I absolutely love your content and yes you are indeed a teacher. Thank you, brother.
Always enjoy listening to Billy, super interesting man.
Say what you will, but Billy has made some amazing music. The full interview was actually very interesting.
I believe that lowering the bar and reducing the barriers to entry will separate those who love to play and those who don't. Society won't place more value on one or the other. The music will be the music regardless of who (or what) made it. But, those who LOVE their instruments and love to make music with them will continue to do so for no other reason than their love of it. Whether there will be a market for it remains to be seen, but lack of marketability will never render musicianship invalid or obsolete.
Great discussion.
I really love the conversations on this channel. Tasty stuff...
Incredible 🎉🎉
Excellent job, again, Rick of getting a great musician to be candid and fluid in conversation.
I f in love the pumpkins. Billy your awsome...
Billy is one smart cat. Very astute and listening ability..
Remember the days of buying CD singles? I remember buying Smashing Pumpkins singles and always being surprised by the additional tracks. Sometimes other band members would take the lead vocals etc. So good. I think stuff like that is lost on the 'tik tok' generation. They would just gravitate towards what's 'hot' and discard the rest. I could be wrong. Just an opinion. Don't sue me. Lovely interview Rick
Oh yeah. One of my favorite Pumpkins songs is "Set the Ray to Jerry" and I stumbled across an imported UK version of the 1979 single in a record store. I think it comes down to the individual, though. I could have just listened to what was on the radio or MTV and that'd be all I knew of a band but I love music and would always dive deeper into a band's catalog if I really liked them. You can do the same nowadays and it's actually easier and cheaper. Almost every band has a TH-cam channel with everything they've ever recorded, live streams, full concerts, music videos, interviews etc. If "kids these days" (haha, yeah I'm old) really love music and wanna delve deep into a band there's no shortage of media out there for them to do it. I'm always saying how I wish we had TH-cam when we were younger. There was something special about finding a physical copy of something that there was a limited supply of, though. And cutting pictures and articles out of magazines to tape on your wall! Kids will always have the same tendencies but different technology (and crappier music if I might say so lol). Well that was long winded haha.
Awesome reply mate. Couldn't agree more! My favorite surprise pumpkins single was 'Said sadly' with James Iha on vocals. I still spin it every now and then. Such gold to be had if you're willing to dig a little!@@llornkcor8880
Love the way Billy talks about Jimmy Chamberlin playin' level.
This man is sooooo Smart!
Kim Dracula is the best thing to come out of TiK ToK, thus far...though one cannot deny the staying power of some of Billy and friends tunes...Music is Gods work. Keep working it~
Wow, never realised how supremely intelligent Billy Corgan is.
Him and Maynard both.
Beyond
You get to see that because of how comfortable he is with Rick. Just my opinion, but think back on other interviews you've seen with Billy. He's a chill guy, but he seems especially relaxed here. Maybe he and Rick did some edibles before the camera was turned on. That must be the secret to Rick's interviews. I'm onto you, Beato!
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Gish is one of my favorites. Relentless.
Magnifico.💎💎💎💎💎💎
I love Billy. He’s an American treasure
OK I subscribed. Great interviews.
He's quite a character..... I went to that museum....on my honeymoon.....Dali was a brilliant artist....
It's such a pretty song
Honestly if nobody had ever heard of SP before and they came out right now I really think they would be even bigger. I so agree with the social media aspect he mentions. They would be perfect front runners for it.
Not what I expected, might need a second watch. Great interview, but so weird that it’s the same guy who just tore up the 90’s. Legend.
this would be an amazing documentary!
Jimmy's playing at his best level. Wow, great.
Consider including his playing on the next album since it's been indistinguishable from a drum machine lately.
I was never a huge Pumpkins fan, but I respect them and do love 'Gish'. That recored is and was so exciting. Upon it's release, I was saying "WTF is THIS?" They played like untamed animals, especially Jimmy Chamberlain's drumming, the way it pushed and pulled along with his ferocious chops. He lifted them to the next level. I like Corgan's interviews and the fact that he's a huge Rush nerd, makes me like him more. I would have never thought he was so passionate about them, as SP is nothing like Rush. Nice interview, Mr. Beato!!
Wasup Rush Head? Please stop stealing my thoughts and words. 😅 Been a huge fan of both bands from the start. This applies to both bands....30, 40 years when I listened to them regularly there were always some stuff I did not like at the time.
Many times it was the single or the hit that I took issue with. Now?
It all sounds great when I hear it. I don't listen to the radio for music anymore.... have not in years. The other day I had to take a company truck out and all I had was the radio. Stairway to heaven came on. 30 years ago I would turn it off. Radio made me not want to listen to that song because they beat it into the ground.
It sounded amazing 👏.
I've always liked Billy
I just subscribed to 2. Already subscribed to Rick Beato.
Need that Smashing Pumpkins documentary!
music's beauty is that it is unperfectly perfect. If AI steals this from us then we'll have been lost from the real magic. Emotions connecting deeply with the art. We're screwed if going this path 😢
I'm subscribed Rick . 🤘
Great interview! The AI stuff with music well that could turn into multiple podcasts of material.. ✌️❤️ everyone
Mellon Collie is the 90s white album
Nice
You know, Rick, I hit subscribe on this second channel before you asked me to.
Impressed by his humble and self effacing nature. He must be a joy to be around. 😂
Rick Beato 2. Is just as as good as Rick Beato 1!
Rick Beato for President!
Billy Corgan has always been one of the most intelligent musicians out there. He always makes a very compelling argument. I grew up with this band at their height (and before it!), and I was always glad that they didn’t go for perfect. It’s difficult to have an emotional response to music when it’s 100% perfect. There needs to be an emotional element. I will mourn the day when AI takes over because music will lose the humanism that makes it the art form we all look to for emotional guidance and make up the “track” of our lives. I’m grateful that I’ve lived through culturally rich music that helped shaped my identity - not only from my own era, but even that of my parents and grandparents. I have my favorites for sure, but I appreciate all types of music. That is going to be difficult to experience through the eyes of a computer that hasn’t lived through the human experience, no matter how much humans try to code that into their programs.
I’ve always thought Tonight Tonight sounds just like Starting Over from a band ( I think ) are from NZL called The Desert States.
How did this guy go from living vampire to music teacher. Pumpkins are legendary.
Love William Patrick Corrigan!
I'm 50, and I was never much of a fan of this band. I just never resonated with them. The vocal was kinda weird to me. But I was at a festival a few years ago and they were playing. My 13 year old kinda dragged me over to see them. And let me tell you, they were really good. I left the show a bigger fan than I went in. Still not something I'd really reach for, but they are certainly gifted and have become technicians over the course of their career. That Talking Heads cover blew my doors off for sure.
I remember Billy said that he encountered a shapeshifter in the entertainment industry and he would publish the story and name of said shapeshifter when he was retired and old. I think that was on the Howard Stern show.
Interesting tidbit. I hope he does.
Smart dude. Understands how the world works.
Billy’s a know it all.
Music will always come down to if people can reproduce their music live.
Magic is elusive
The best thing about the film clip in 1979 was that there was no modern technology being waved around in the film and being present in the moment.
If I subscribe to this channel will Rick B finally acknowledge and maybe interview the great Michael Schenker and maybe give an honorable mention to Ace Frehley and his work in KISS and maybe , just maybe mention the great classical guitarist , Charo ? What an interview that would be 😁 Also , and if I missed it please let me know, a segment on “ How to properly bias a Marshall head “ would be noteworthy also . Rock on Mr B 🙏
Not a big fan of his music, but Billy is smart as hell. Actually, more than that-I think he’s exceedingly intelligent and love listening to his interviews.
Dali museum is insane. They have VR tech for your phone that explains his masterworks. Its actually very godly and religious and not just a trippy guy painting stuff. Highly recommend going
Let’s go
What kind of guitar is Billy holding in the vid? Looks like a Washburn (a high-grade one, he got it for like $400ish back in 2007 or so) that my grandpa gave to me about 11-12 years ago when i first started learning to play. Mine just has more black streaks through the main red color on the guitar Billy's holding. Forget the model number of mine but if anyone wants to know in order to help me see if Billy has the same kind of guitar I can easily take a look and see/let you know. Its definitely one of the best acoustics i've ever played (not that i've played a whole hell of a lot of them) aside from a 1968 martin D-18 my grandpa on my dad's side bought from his neighbor in 1977-78 or so and kept it til he passed away back in September of 2019. The only damage to it is some pickguard shrinkage but its something that i think could be fixed pretty easily. If i had the Washburn and D-18 i'd be set on acoustics for life basically lol. But if anyone knows what kind of guitar Billy's got in this interview i'd definitely like to know if its the same kind I have or not, would definitely appreciate any info anyone might have regarding that
Has a Yamaha logo on it, so no.
Social media is much more wide spread but it’s still just the MTV of its day. It’s the popular medium of the time. They would’ve been mega massive if they had social media back then.
What guitar is that? Looks like a Yamaha LL16? If so Billy has the same guitar as me!
Definitely one of the best interviews i've ever watched on youtube.
I agree with everything Billy and Rick are saying.
However, I do think most of modern western society (specifically Gen-Z) is turning into that film "Idiocracy"
Therefore, the internet is becoming entropy in an altered way.
Like an unfortunate accidental bi-product of technology dumbing down society.
Billy needs to check out his vascular system after watching this. His left hand is super red compared to his right. Possible obstruction?
can you do an interview about Vito Bratta sir Rick..
Don’t fear the future!
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