0doubled seven dude you just pissed off my wife because I woke her up when I spit my water out of my nose and entered uncontrolled laughter upon reading this...
That is just another idiotic fallacy. This underscores the entire problem with the Light Sport and Ultralight classes. Putting unqualified people in control of airplanes.
Im pretty impressed that even though it appears he deployed low, the jolt he got when he hit the ground looks minimal. You'd get more whiplash in a car accident by the looks of it.
Trainor Race "No, no, i got it 360 is the heading... ok the next time around....dammit the next time for sure....dammit i'll get it this....dammit next time...you said 360 correct?"
@@Swedester yeah the title has really screwed up alot of people's understanding of this video. He intentionally entered the spin to test his abilities to exit the spin. He was very lucky to have installed a BRS before attempting this, he completely lost it.
Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking....if you look out your right window, sorry left window, now right, left, right , left ....ok never mind we kindly ask that you reach underneath your seat to find a parachute
YES! SAFE AT HOME! I like the fact he didn't give up trying to control it despite only having rudder, kinda like paddling with one oar out the back of a canoe. YOU NEVER GIVE UP! Well done Sir, well done! God is good!
Video begins too late to say anything definitive. But, the plane didn't respond to the test pilot's spin recovery inputs. And, that's some Yeager-like timing . . .
Love all the clueless uninformed comments always by armchair aviation experts on videos like this one. This video shows Phill Hooker, a test pilot in New Zealand, testing a Triton Skytrek, a Chinese-built light sport aircraft. He spoke about the test: "I was exploring any flat spin tendencies that this type of aircraft was rumored to get itself into. And yes it did, it would not recover. Deployment at 1000′ (could not do any higher, too long to explain) If you watch the video again, you will notice the front right riser tightened 4 secs before impact."
It looks like he had full right rudder most of the time (from looking at his right knee) but I’m a little surprised he didn’t try full power briefly in an attempt to get rudder effectiveness. It also looks like opposite aileron (which he tried a couple of times near the end) just increased the rate of spin. Where can I find him talking about this?
@@Brotha00 It's too blurry to make out the VSI, but you can make out the needle on the altimeter. I timed a loss of 2000 feet in 35 seconds, which puts his descent rate at about 3400 feet per minute. That's consistent with a flat spin in an airplane of this type.
Researching these brs parachutes for a potential airframe modification. I've seen a few of these deployed by pilots after loss of power. We were taught to pick a spot and land, but obviously when losing power on takeoff or losing control for whatever reason these are lifesavers. Initially it looks expensive, yet it sure is nice to be alive and able to walk away.
@@scotabot7826Depends on the aircraft, but you don't need to be that high to deploy the chute. On Cessna 150 it was certified by FAA to be deployed at 300ft, lighter aircraft can deploy even lower. And there are reports of them being deployed under 100ft and working (ofc, not having time to slow down completely, but still helping soften the crash.) Either way, imo the biggest benefit for such systems is in case of midair breakdown, collision or complete lose of control.
I thought he was spinning nose down because you can see the ground spinning around. When he deployed the chute, nothing changed, the nose didn’t rise up and he landed flat. Hard to make out what was actually going on. I assume by the landing he was in a flat spin, but it didn’t look like that in the video.
Test pilots are probably among the best and most experienced out of all of us. The fact he couldn’t get out of a spin in that aircraft makes me cautious to even fly that plane under normal conditions.
His attempts were really bad. It looked like he had no clue. Plus: A Testpilot would wear a parachute. I guess someone lost a plane bc the pilot had no clue.
@@flightbase You have no idea what you're talking about. His attempts were everything that you're supposed to do in a spin. It looks like you have no clue, that was an actual test pilot named Phil Hooker. No, test pilots don't normally wear parachutes because you can't bail out of a GA plane. I guess someone looked stupid on the internet because they had no clue.
Wow, the comments section, as per normal, is a sh*t show. I want to know what type AC this was... because you can see his right knee go a little lower, repeatedly (as he stands on the right rudder)... and he repeatedly moved the stick FULL forward trying to break the stall... But this plane was simply NOT recovering. This design is BS and gonna kill someone. The pilot did a decent job of trying to save it ... maybe waiting a bit too long before deploying though?
we were all just killing time until you arrived with your big brain and towering ego , so we could be put down in a condescending manner. Thanks you ever so much for blessing us with your words.
@D Hill The aircraft is a Triton Skytrex and the pilot is a New Zealand Test Pilot called Phil Hooker. He was deliberately exploring the spin characteristics of the aircraft, which would not recover. He deliberately left deploying the chute until the last minute as otherwise the spin would have spun the parachute lines and probably collapsed the chute.
Can pretty much guarantee there’s a lot more than “superficial” damage to the airplane. Even the Cirrus chutes pretty much total the airplane upon impact on landing (though I have heard of some being repaired apparently).
The only thing I have to say to anyone who is a pilot learn from others. I don’t see the right rudder being pressed, I see him moving the stick back and forward. The lesson this guy gives every other pilot with out a recovery system is to know your basic recovery technics from a spin, flat spin and after the spin minimum altitude loss with out over stressing the aircraft if you end up in a spiral. Thanks for sharing.
I was looking for this comment. No rudder being pressed! Many pilots in distress, fail to remember this basic recovery technique. Not sure if it was on purpose in this case though.
Basic recovery from a spin is not to have any back pressure on the controls. And to keep neutral control no aileron deflection. There was to much play in the video.. if you get into a flat spin your recovery is to add control input just like if you want to get into a spin in the direction of your flat spin, this brings the aircraft into a spin and only then you can add control inputs to get out of a spin. If you have bags or other objects that can shift in flight to the aft then is more difficult to recover or even impossible. If your aircraft does not respond to correct recovery technics then one of two. Failure of controls or aircraft has a broken part. For instance in a cessna try anything like move seat as much forward and open door to deflect airflow, never bean tried but never give up until the ground Said so. With light aircraft you don’t need all the controls to fly the aircraft. Shifting your weight back and forth, adding power using rudder to turn or doors. This was something that I had practiced meany times with students and you can takeoff and do a traffic pattern to a landing with jammed controls. Even grease a landing. But going back to the video. This guy eventually did the best thing he could do. He pulled the recovery system handle and saved his own live. And then he posted the video for all of us to have a great lesson.
Look closer. IMHO he's pressing right the whole time besides for 2, 3 times he jerks it left. He's a test pilot I'm sure he knows how to fly better than you.
@@pilotboy2612 lets first get this thing straight. I did not show any sarcasm when I had written my comment. As I had mentioned maybe some thing was broken with the aircraft. And I also mentioned that we all can learn from others. One thing that I always liked about the pilot community is the fact that it learns from experience and also never shows resentment to others. What you had said in the last part of your comment is not proper ethics. I hope you can take this as a positive critic and not one that comes from any anger.
@@guyshilon2807 Your right. That was toxic. Rereading your comment about getting out of a flat spin to into a diving spin and then recover is insightful. Apologies.
Spinning of the airframe may actually help dissipate some of the kinetic energy, the main brake being the parachute of course. But that may explain the minimal impact even though there was a last minute deployment.
@@Zuckerpuppekopf I do understand the concept. But I don't think the a/c was spinning fast enough for the wings to be developing much lift as a result.
Ya got a CG issue. As flat as that thing went in a matter of a few rotations it’s obvious. without a doubt the CG was way out. And even with a 30 LB recovery system up front no less. Typical spin recovery is forward stick and opposite rudder till rotation stops. I doubt that would have helped though. This is a testament to recovery systems and how they save lives. Glad he’s alive to share this with us.
Nope. The C of G was well forward that day. It’s an inherent problem with the Sportcruiser, unrecoverable flat spins. I was testing that perceived problem
yep, no doubt tail heavy,. he should have leaned forward, one night when doing night flights to dulles in a 182, my instructor told all of us, if i tell you, lean forward, and all you in the back lean forward, and if i tell you, remove you belts and lean over our seats, SPIN RECOVERY
@@vg23air What kind of an instructor would do a night flight with a student AND passengers with the center of gravity so far out that the passengers might have to undo their seat belts and lean forward? Either this story is BS, or the instructor is an idiot for flying a full a'/c with a student pilot with the C of G way out of spec.
To be fair, I was actually wondering about this exact topic (how effective an aircraft-sized parachute would be for LSA) for the past week or so while watching other LSA videos. So when it popped up in my list I jumped on it.
Bob Goodman he didn’t know he had 11seconds but he knew how much altitude (hight) he had. When you come out of a flat spin you are in a nose down position and you need to pull back up when takes altitude and add the fact the the parachute takes time(altitude falling) to deploy gives him an minimal decision altitude. He entered the spin intentionally as a flighting test process which is another reason for such a bad spin and possibly such calm reaction nevertheless I hope that answers your question
Absolute Termite and Pest Control from my understanding it would be the altitude he would be looking at. Indicated air speed would be floating within 20-30 knots and is almost useless in a flat spin like this one
So glad this guy had a BRS system, cause the aircraft was not coming out of that spin!! It was really locked in. I sure would like to know what aircraft that was!!
Guy's a test pilot, with thousand and thousands of hours of testing all different types of aircraft and people are giving him tips on spin recovery in here. Hilarious. Personally I think he's got brass balls and I'm very thankful for people like him...people who are willing to put their lives at risk to make aviation safer for all of us. I do wonder, for those aviation observers that might know...if these ballistic parachutes can be programmed to automatically deploy when the aircraft has reached a certain altitude/attitude/airspeed/total number of completed spins, etc? I've read accident reports of pilots dying, while flying in a plane that has these parachutes, but they're so busy panicking/trying to fly the plane, they never deploy the chute.
My guess is not as the aircraft probably experienced a full structural failure but I'm sure they recovered the glass panel and avionics for another airplane.
Holy shit! That didn't look real at first and I thought it was a simulator, until he hit the ground. When he deployed his chute he was still spinning and you couldn't tell if he had slowed down until the sudden stop. That was totally awesome and the only problem this guy had, aside from getting his headset knocked off, what removing his big cojones out of the cockpit...LOL
There wasn’t much of a flat spin recovery but the pilot remained calm and managed go get to the ground safely while still in a flat spin. Thank god that was a test pilot and not a costumer who purchased this light sport aircraft
not sure why he was still manipulating the controls while under canopy. i would think the chute would take you wherever it wanted regardless of anything you did with control surface manipulation. was he trying to stop the spin or was this an intentional chute deployment during a spin?
Kinda hope the tail broke off that thing. It didnt look like it even wanted to try and recover. Crazy. Oh, and I see I am not the only one that was summoned by the algorithm of viewer destiny this week.
I agree he didn't seem to want to recover at all, he should have held stick forward and full rudder deflection and waited, he kept pulling the stick back which can only make the problem worse. I guess it could have been a break in a control cable but you can break a spin with either rudder or elevator/aileron control so I'm going to chock it up to either pilot error or a poorly designed plane or too far aft CG...
So the reason for a late deployment is so that the still spinning plane doesn't wind up the paracute lines until it collapses. If you had parachute mounting point attached to a swivel perhaps it could prevent that? Or even to a small electric motor that could under manual or automated control actively counter spin, applying some force to the parachute as it's resistance point.
@@phillhookz3080 so you could have deployed a bit earlier, but being under canopy longer has disadvantages too? such as? And you deployed it with enough time for it to slow the falling aircraft to basically it's lowest speed w/ chute? because you said somewhere here that the plane didn't hit hard enough to do major damage, right?
I'd like to know the full story. Looked like a civilian testing out his new LSA. It indicated the BRS was just installed. The engine was out long before deployment, so there was no need to keep trying to recover from the spin below any established hard deck. The pilot also seems to have had no real plan as he was fumbling for different things on the console. Nice soft landing in the weeds. Just some thoughts.
It really depends on the weight of the aircraft, but something like this is around 300' - 500' AGL is the lowest you can pull it and not break your back when you hit.
Khaldoun mnb Maybe u should tell everyone exactly how the plane got its damage and what damage it had since u know so much Maybe the stick didnt work idiot
Flat spin is something to be avoided just like handing your beer to your girl first before......... Two friends of mine (they were brothers) lost their lives in a C150 during spin training.
Hopefully the canopy bump he got at the end was a clue to just stay out of the air. Pilots who resort to "instinctive flying" and ignore the fundamentals of aircraft operation often die. That "spin recovery" was bullshit.
I watched it a few times and thought "why is there no attempt at spin recovery??.. No stick forward to break the stall, no opposite rudder.. in fact, his knees only "twitched" twice and not for long enough to stop rotation..It even looks like he had rudder into the rotation .. he never used rudder correctly at all ! And every time he pushed the stick forward, he immediately pulls it back again At the end, he did the worst possible thing, stick back and opposite aileron - OMG what an 455hole. He was just "stirring" the stick around... That guy needed the parachute, in his case it was a replacement for flying skills.
What a waste of a perfectly good aircraft... Paying for the most basic flight school would have saved him from the embarrassment. Any idea on how extensive the damage on the aircraft is after a "landing" like this?
Weird....instructors almost always say "hands on dash, reduce to idle, kick the opposite rudder through the freakin floor and hold it there till it stops spinning" yoke inputs make it worse......he seemed to do all the things that make it worse....
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When you survive a crash landing and the canopie kills you getting out.
that's what got Goose.
something they never told Goose 😞
@@tstanley01The canopy didn't kill goose😂😂 he headbutted the canopy
YEAH 😂😂
workpc105 what a brilliant man! LOL!
Looks like the plane stopped spinning when it hit the ground.
0doubled seven dude you just pissed off my wife because I woke her up when I spit my water out of my nose and entered uncontrolled laughter upon reading this...
Underrated comment
😂
Wooden Ulyktoknow 😂
Some say he’s still spinning
A bit rough touchdown, but overall, this is a good helicopter landing.
Wheres the helicopter??
@@portobelloedinburgh8891
The joke
You
hahahahha
Low average I’d say. 😎
🤣🙌
Any last-second parachute deployment you can walk away from is a good last-second parachute deployment.
until the canopy hits you in the head...
@@jimgriggs2184 "You have to have carnal knowledge....of a lady this time, on the premises."
@@LilSebastian_ Long cruise sailor?
Hell no it wasnt good he should have deployed it long before that hes lucky he survived a late one is better than nothing. Hes alive
That is just another idiotic fallacy.
This underscores the entire problem with the Light Sport and Ultralight classes. Putting unqualified people in control of airplanes.
I thought it was a sim until he opened the canopy
Same
Me too friend
W....t....f......?
Ditto, he didnt seem to really react to the G-forces.
Same
"Please remain seated until the aircraft comes to a complete thud."
Best comment here.
Watching a plane NOT come out of a spin is scary.
Im pretty impressed that even though it appears he deployed low, the jolt he got when he hit the ground looks minimal. You'd get more whiplash in a car accident by the looks of it.
Except for the knot on his head from the canopy dropping back on him.....................
I thought exactly the same thing
"Back in my day, when you failed your spin recovery test, you didn't walk away"
Dinosaurs don't glide well
I'm just impressed he kept his lunch down during thst spin!
Yeah, but you should have checked his pants
Yeah he kept it so far down it came out the bottom
🤢🤮 That would been me !!!
Elaborate intro for a Headphone and Cap disappearing trick
You don’t feel much G during an established spin. Just watch the earth go round in circles
Alright sir I’m gonna need you too turn a heading of 360
Looked more like a heading of 1080!
Trainor Race "No, no, i got it 360 is the heading... ok the next time around....dammit the next time for sure....dammit i'll get it this....dammit next time...you said 360 correct?"
Sir....youre doing it wrong
Ok but which one. I've done 30 and you haven't cleared me.
Then repeat.
He didn't need that dropping on his head as he's getting out.
I think he was ok with a little love tap after having his life saved.
That plane had it in for him, I'm sure of it.
"chute testing"
i was expecting controlled environment testing with a airbag landing, instead i got vladimir first timing that B
It’s spin recovery testing, not chute
@@Swedester yeah the title has really screwed up alot of people's understanding of this video. He intentionally entered the spin to test his abilities to exit the spin. He was very lucky to have installed a BRS before attempting this, he completely lost it.
Darius R video never says a thing about chute testing, it was spin recovery gone wrong
😂😂😂
@@ThePinkPanth3r He intentionally entered a spin to test *the aircraft's* ability to recover from a spin, which is part of certification testing.
Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking....if you look out your right window, sorry left window, now right, left, right , left ....ok never mind we kindly ask that you reach underneath your seat to find a parachute
OR KISS YOUR ASS GOODBYE!......LOL
YES! SAFE AT HOME! I like the fact he didn't give up trying to control it despite only having rudder, kinda like paddling with one oar out the back of a canoe. YOU NEVER GIVE UP! Well done Sir, well done! God is good!
he walked away, thats all that matters.
❤🙌🎊🎉
Didn't even care either. Just another day testing.
No, what matters was how he couldn't get out of that spin.
@@Ryan-re1rs no really, all that matters is that he walked away.
“Another happy landing”
Video begins too late to say anything definitive. But, the plane didn't respond to the test pilot's spin recovery inputs. And, that's some Yeager-like timing . . .
Love all the clueless uninformed comments always by armchair aviation experts on videos like this one.
This video shows Phill Hooker, a test pilot in New Zealand, testing a Triton Skytrek, a Chinese-built light sport aircraft.
He spoke about the test: "I was exploring any flat spin tendencies that this type of aircraft was rumored to get itself into. And yes it did, it would not recover. Deployment at 1000′ (could not do any higher, too long to explain) If you watch the video again, you will notice the front right riser tightened 4 secs before impact."
gsmac1969 looked fake! Why would he do the spin tests in MVFR, and the instruments didn’t move. At least from what I could see.
It looks like he had full right rudder most of the time (from looking at his right knee) but I’m a little surprised he didn’t try full power briefly in an attempt to get rudder effectiveness. It also looks like opposite aileron (which he tried a couple of times near the end) just increased the rate of spin. Where can I find him talking about this?
Thanks! Great article.
Anyone know his rate of decent? Just cool the shoot didn’t detach.
@@Brotha00 It's too blurry to make out the VSI, but you can make out the needle on the altimeter. I timed a loss of 2000 feet in 35 seconds, which puts his descent rate at about 3400 feet per minute. That's consistent with a flat spin in an airplane of this type.
All right, it passed the test. You can put it on the market.
Researching these brs parachutes for a potential airframe modification. I've seen a few of these deployed by pilots after loss of power. We were taught to pick a spot and land, but obviously when losing power on takeoff or losing control for whatever reason these are lifesavers. Initially it looks expensive, yet it sure is nice to be alive and able to walk away.
None of them are good for use "during rakeoff"/landing or anywhere in the pattern. Not enough altitude for deployment!
@@scotabot7826Depends on the aircraft, but you don't need to be that high to deploy the chute. On Cessna 150 it was certified by FAA to be deployed at 300ft, lighter aircraft can deploy even lower. And there are reports of them being deployed under 100ft and working (ofc, not having time to slow down completely, but still helping soften the crash.)
Either way, imo the biggest benefit for such systems is in case of midair breakdown, collision or complete lose of control.
@@scotabot7826bs. Cessnas at 250’ cirrus at 600’. I install them in the pipistrels and they are fully inflated in 2 seconds. Idiot, boomer, jealous.
That was really something ! Intentional spin with ballistic recovery all the way down to the impact..wow
Just press J to respawn, and remember not to try that arcade shit in realistic settings.
He had a hole in his right wing
@@TristanVash38 Beat me to it 😄
Trying sim for the first two be like...
I thought he was spinning nose down because you can see the ground spinning around. When he deployed the chute, nothing changed, the nose didn’t rise up and he landed flat. Hard to make out what was actually going on. I assume by the landing he was in a flat spin, but it didn’t look like that in the video.
It's more disorienting in the air I think but I agree.
..I assume he was not a pilot 🤣😂
He’s a test pilot 😒 ^
Test pilots are probably among the best and most experienced out of all of us. The fact he couldn’t get out of a spin in that aircraft makes me cautious to even fly that plane under normal conditions.
I agree. He was literally along for the ride.
Very brave pilote! He was obviously really close to the ground when that chute opened.
12 seconds from deployment to ground impact. Very nice. little close for me though.
The best part is that the canopy falling on him is the part that probably hurt the most about crashing an airplane.
Test pilot or not this guy went straight to the bar and sat speechless for a couple hours. Great save bud.
Nope, I was testing a new aircraft 3 hours later. No time for counselling and all that shit, got a job to do 😬
actually,
after breakfast i was up in another plane testing shit
Boy they just don’t make aileron or rudder controls the way they used to
@John Roberts EVERYTHING.
P A R E is how you recover a spin.
U can Google the Acronym
Brian Emery yea.... ailerons neutral. They have no effect. Full opposite rudder stops the spin.
@@acirinelli Unless it's a poor design, like this one seems to be. Guess it's back to the drawing board.
Wonder why he couldn't stop the rotation. It looked to be quite nose down but I guess it wasn't. Broken rudder?
ColinWatters poor design. There’s some articles floating around about this LSA’s inability to recover from spins.
Test Pilot's balls were so big he unbalanced the aircraft.
Robert Cardwell no he’s an unbelievably terrible pilot! No other explanation, in case you were wondering there is video roof he sucks
@@raymondgaskins2918 haha nice bait
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His attempts were really bad. It looked like he had no clue. Plus: A Testpilot would wear a parachute. I guess someone lost a plane bc the pilot had no clue.
@@flightbase You have no idea what you're talking about. His attempts were everything that you're supposed to do in a spin. It looks like you have no clue, that was an actual test pilot named Phil Hooker. No, test pilots don't normally wear parachutes because you can't bail out of a GA plane. I guess someone looked stupid on the internet because they had no clue.
Jesus he stayed so calm while it was spinning out.
Great video GREAT pilot. More than anything it shows how pilot being prepared is ultimately what saved his life
Kind of hard to recover from a spin when you only complete step 1 of 3
10 years ago that guy is a smudge
Or he would have jumped out
I like how the aircraft _NEVER_ gave up its attempt to kill the pilot.
imagine he lives through that and then the canopy knocks him out and he dies in the fire after
Wow, the comments section, as per normal, is a sh*t show. I want to know what type AC this was... because you can see his right knee go a little lower, repeatedly (as he stands on the right rudder)... and he repeatedly moved the stick FULL forward trying to break the stall... But this plane was simply NOT recovering. This design is BS and gonna kill someone. The pilot did a decent job of trying to save it ... maybe waiting a bit too long before deploying though?
It was done on purpose.
I also say that this was done on purpose. Otherwise he should've put the stick in the left direction, and used the rudder to turn right.
we were all just killing time until you arrived with your big brain and towering ego , so we could be put down in a condescending manner. Thanks you ever so much for blessing us with your words.
@D Hill The aircraft is a Triton Skytrex and the pilot is a New Zealand Test Pilot called Phil Hooker. He was deliberately exploring the spin characteristics of the aircraft, which would not recover. He deliberately left deploying the chute until the last minute as otherwise the spin would have spun the parachute lines and probably collapsed the chute.
@D Hill No, just a New Zealander, we are all built like that!
He did the right thing and turned it off at the end.
He forgot to write down the tach time
@TheGschultz nice bait
@TheGschultz Just like how I can pull 11G sustained in DCS /s
So I guess the parachute works better than the recovery aspects of this particular aircraft
Yes
"Tower, I have to pee, for landing"
"negative, airspace is busy, do 360s and standby"
(20 secs later)
"Tower are 50 360s enough?"
Plot twist it was n2
Can pretty much guarantee there’s a lot more than “superficial” damage to the airplane. Even the Cirrus chutes pretty much total the airplane upon impact on landing (though I have heard of some being repaired apparently).
Hey dummy…he was in a flat spin for death!
WHO CARES?? LOL I think if um spinning to my death I could care less what happens to the plane!
I flew it the next morning after repairs
The only thing I have to say to anyone who is a pilot learn from others. I don’t see the right rudder being pressed, I see him moving the stick back and forward. The lesson this guy gives every other pilot with out a recovery system is to know your basic recovery technics from a spin, flat spin and after the spin minimum altitude loss with out over stressing the aircraft if you end up in a spiral. Thanks for sharing.
I was looking for this comment. No rudder being pressed! Many pilots in distress, fail to remember this basic recovery technique. Not sure if it was on purpose in this case though.
Basic recovery from a spin is not to have any back pressure on the controls. And to keep neutral control no aileron deflection. There was to much play in the video.. if you get into a flat spin your recovery is to add control input just like if you want to get into a spin in the direction of your flat spin, this brings the aircraft into a spin and only then you can add control inputs to get out of a spin. If you have bags or other objects that can shift in flight to the aft then is more difficult to recover or even impossible. If your aircraft does not respond to correct recovery technics then one of two. Failure of controls or aircraft has a broken part. For instance in a cessna try anything like move seat as much forward and open door to deflect airflow, never bean tried but never give up until the ground Said so. With light aircraft you don’t need all the controls to fly the aircraft. Shifting your weight back and forth, adding power using rudder to turn or doors. This was something that I had practiced meany times with students and you can takeoff and do a traffic pattern to a landing with jammed controls. Even grease a landing. But going back to the video. This guy eventually did the best thing he could do. He pulled the recovery system handle and saved his own live. And then he posted the video for all of us to have a great lesson.
Look closer. IMHO he's pressing right the whole time besides for 2, 3 times he jerks it left.
He's a test pilot I'm sure he knows how to fly better than you.
@@pilotboy2612 lets first get this thing straight. I did not show any sarcasm when I had written my comment. As I had mentioned maybe some thing was broken with the aircraft. And I also mentioned that we all can learn from others. One thing that I always liked about the pilot community is the fact that it learns from experience and also never shows resentment to others. What you had said in the last part of your comment is not proper ethics. I hope you can take this as a positive critic and not one that comes from any anger.
@@guyshilon2807 Your right. That was toxic.
Rereading your comment about getting out of a flat spin to into a diving spin and then recover is insightful. Apologies.
That deployment was really low altitude he had like a 3 second chute run once it was open. Lucky to be alive.
Chute deployed at 700 ft. You can just make it out by watching the Dynon altimeter.
That’s classic! You survive the crash landing but the canopy gives you a head injury. LOL
LSA testing? He should have been wearing a helmet.
Spinning of the airframe may actually help dissipate some of the kinetic energy, the main brake being the parachute of course. But that may explain the minimal impact even though there was a last minute deployment.
The aircraft spinning did nothing to reduce the rate of descent. The impact was minimal because of the parachute, not the spin.
@@headdown1 Because the parachute also changes the plane's attitude, spinning wings also change the vertical descent, - think maple seed spinner.
@@Zuckerpuppekopf I do understand the concept. But I don't think the a/c was spinning fast enough for the wings to be developing much lift as a result.
Vaseline on the lens was a nice touch... thanks.
Ya got a CG issue. As flat as that thing went in a matter of a few rotations it’s obvious. without a doubt the CG was way out. And even with a 30 LB recovery system up front no less.
Typical spin recovery is forward stick and opposite rudder till rotation stops. I doubt that would have helped though.
This is a testament to recovery systems and how they save lives.
Glad he’s alive to share this with us.
Nope. The C of G was well forward that day. It’s an inherent problem with the Sportcruiser, unrecoverable flat spins. I was testing that perceived problem
yep, no doubt tail heavy,. he should have leaned forward, one night when doing night flights to dulles in a 182, my instructor told all of us, if i tell you, lean forward, and all you in the back lean forward, and if i tell you, remove you belts and lean over our seats, SPIN RECOVERY
@@vg23air What kind of an instructor would do a night flight with a student AND passengers with the center of gravity so far out that the passengers might have to undo their seat belts and lean forward? Either this story is BS, or the instructor is an idiot for flying a full a'/c with a student pilot with the C of G way out of spec.
@@headdown1 a great one
@@headdown1 its in my logbook
Wow I don’t think I’d be able to walk straight for days after spinning like that for that long😱🤢 But the parachute did it’s job👍
Me: it's a sim, it's a sim, it's a sim
0:58 parachute deploys: hold my beer
He was low when he deployed the BRS only spun 5 rotations before he hit the ground. Test pilot did all he could before deploying.
Let me guess, you’re here because it’s a recommendation?
No. I searched this specific video without ever having seen or heard about it before.
To be fair, I was actually wondering about this exact topic (how effective an aircraft-sized parachute would be for LSA) for the past week or so while watching other LSA videos. So when it popped up in my list I jumped on it.
No, I searched for this video
the video shows that pulling the chute close to the ground slows the airplane decent so you can just walk away best demonstration to date matt
I’m wondering why he waited until 11 seconds before impact to deploy?
I'm guessing he was keeping eye on velocity and as long as he was within parameters, we was trying to recover from spin. Just a guess though
How would he know he had 11 seconds til impact?
@@Matterhorny I'd guess he didn't know he had 11 secindsy, he just knew it was getting close
Bob Goodman he didn’t know he had 11seconds but he knew how much altitude (hight) he had. When you come out of a flat spin you are in a nose down position and you need to pull back up when takes altitude and add the fact the the parachute takes time(altitude falling) to deploy gives him an minimal decision altitude. He entered the spin intentionally as a flighting test process which is another reason for such a bad spin and possibly such calm reaction nevertheless I hope that answers your question
Absolute Termite and Pest Control from my understanding it would be the altitude he would be looking at. Indicated air speed would be floating within 20-30 knots and is almost useless in a flat spin like this one
So glad this guy had a BRS system, cause the aircraft was not coming out of that spin!! It was really locked in. I sure would like to know what aircraft that was!!
Guy's a test pilot, with thousand and thousands of hours of testing all different types of aircraft and people are giving him tips on spin recovery in here. Hilarious. Personally I think he's got brass balls and I'm very thankful for people like him...people who are willing to put their lives at risk to make aviation safer for all of us. I do wonder, for those aviation observers that might know...if these ballistic parachutes can be programmed to automatically deploy when the aircraft has reached a certain altitude/attitude/airspeed/total number of completed spins, etc? I've read accident reports of pilots dying, while flying in a plane that has these parachutes, but they're so busy panicking/trying to fly the plane, they never deploy the chute.
Yes the tech is there to do that, but it would be far, far too dangerous!!!
He almost waited too late.
Looks like to me the test pilot was trying to recover from the spin but the plane was unrecoverable.
Dramatic is an understatement! 😲 Does the engine stop commensurate with the deployment, or was it manually shut off simultaneously?
Manually , the chute is up front. Need to stop the prop
@@phillhookz3080 OK, thanks!
Not only he walked away, even the glass cockpit stayed completely intact. I wonder if the aircraft is back flying.
My guess is not as the aircraft probably experienced a full structural failure but I'm sure they recovered the glass panel and avionics for another airplane.
I flew it the next day. It’s still flying now
Holy shit! That didn't look real at first and I thought it was a simulator, until he hit the ground. When he deployed his chute he was still spinning and you couldn't tell if he had slowed down until the sudden stop. That was totally awesome and the only problem this guy had, aside from getting his headset knocked off, what removing his big cojones out of the cockpit...LOL
Thanks
Any landing you walk away from, is a successful landing. Keep in mind. Takeoff is optional, but landing is mandatory.
There wasn’t much of a flat spin recovery but the pilot remained calm and managed go get to the ground safely while still in a flat spin. Thank god that was a test pilot and not a costumer who purchased this light sport aircraft
Watch Them Grow yep, don’t need anyone wearing a costume to buy a plane
Which LSA was this. Just want to avoid the one that can't recover from a spin...
"superficial damage to aircraft" after deploying parachute, LOL :)) Would you fly with that plane again after repairing paint damage?
LOL
Several Cirrus aircraft are flying after chute deployment.
Worked perfectly!! Dude walking away, maybe a little sideways, but he's walking
Any landing you walk away from is a good landing.
Ryan Ralston Wow, did you just make that up?
So true
This is simply not true
Any landing where you can use the plane again is a great landing.... you forgot the other half lol
His worst injury was when the canopy closed on his head.
Because “neutral yoke and kick opposite rudder until your leg breaks” is just too hard for some people i guess...
I heard that the next time he flew, had had a small ballistic 'chute put on the canopy to soften the impact on his head.
After all that and bumping his head on the canopy after crash landing he still remembered to turn off the electrics !! so he did something right LOL
matthew walker he did nothing wrong. It’s the aircraft. I’d like to see you try
Pilot: we have a little problem here with the aircraft, need some time to work it out
ATC: 360s are available at discretion
Pilot: ...
I think he did a fine job. Look how after he deploys the chute he is still working the stick like maybe I can still save this shit
Yes
not sure why he was still manipulating the controls while under canopy. i would think the chute would take you wherever it wanted regardless of anything you did with control surface manipulation. was he trying to stop the spin or was this an intentional chute deployment during a spin?
Kinda hope the tail broke off that thing. It didnt look like it even wanted to try and recover. Crazy. Oh, and I see I am not the only one that was summoned by the algorithm of viewer destiny this week.
I agree he didn't seem to want to recover at all, he should have held stick forward and full rudder deflection and waited, he kept pulling the stick back which can only make the problem worse. I guess it could have been a break in a control cable but you can break a spin with either rudder or elevator/aileron control so I'm going to chock it up to either pilot error or a poorly designed plane or too far aft CG...
@@Kev376 It was a deliberate flat spin, initiated by a test pilot.
So the reason for a late deployment is so that the still spinning plane doesn't wind up the paracute lines until it collapses. If you had parachute mounting point attached to a swivel perhaps it could prevent that? Or even to a small electric motor that could under manual or automated control actively counter spin, applying some force to the parachute as it's resistance point.
The reason for late deployment was to spend minimal time under canopy
@@phillhookz3080 the reason for the late deployment was he couldnt get out of the spin
@@vg23air Phill is the pilot.
@@phillhookz3080 so you could have deployed a bit earlier, but being under canopy longer has disadvantages too? such as?
And you deployed it with enough time for it to slow the falling aircraft to basically it's lowest speed w/ chute? because you said somewhere here that the plane didn't hit hard enough to do major damage, right?
He should get a job with the car companies as a crash test dummy.
Vince (or Larry's) cousin??
I'd like to know the full story. Looked like a civilian testing out his new LSA. It indicated the BRS was just installed. The engine was out long before deployment, so there was no need to keep trying to recover from the spin below any established hard deck. The pilot also seems to have had no real plan as he was fumbling for different things on the console. Nice soft landing in the weeds. Just some thoughts.
Why don't you read ALL the posts and you will get the FULL story and not come across as such an idiot. Just a thought.
No one can say he didn't try as long as possible!Balls of steel.
I think a very loud air horn or siren of some kind should sound when the parachute is deployed to alert people on the ground.
definitely. looks like you found a design flaw that needs to be corrected.
Goose I can’t reach the ejection handle......EJECT......EJECT
That spiral looks like a bad tornado nightmare.
Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing!
Gemma Atkinson 100% agree
Bollocks ! A bad landing is bad .. end of story.
Stupidest cliche in aviation... sets a pretty low standard, don't you think?
Lee Roy Holloway indeed.
Why wasn't he able to recover from the spin? Did he have structural damage?
flying a plane without a parachute system *private recreational* is stupid. Why die when you don't have too....
ritamo68 $$$$$
What is the lowest elevation that deployment
is as useful as a 2000' elevation deployment ?
It really depends on the weight of the aircraft, but something like this is around 300' - 500' AGL is the lowest you can pull it and not break your back when you hit.
He pulled that chute about when I do dropping into Warzone.
That chute saved your life for sure. Not sure why the spin was unrecoverable.
Spin recovery test result: FAIL
Khaldoun mnb
Maybe u should tell everyone exactly how the plane got its damage and what damage it had since u know so much
Maybe the stick didnt work idiot
rob procctvcameras I say you got a chip on your shoulder. !
Did the chute open or just caused drag??? Please answer you geniuses...
No one on the face of the earth:
TH-cam: hEy yA WaNNa sEE a vIdEO Of a pLane CRashIng?
Lmao facts
Flat spin is something to be avoided just like handing your beer to your girl first before......... Two friends of mine (they were brothers) lost their lives in a C150 during spin training.
Keep that freaking stick down and rudder down too, sucka... test pilot my eye..
outwiththem I love arm chair pilots
And your experience compared to his, is??
So what went wrong why could he not recover from the spin?
Hopefully the canopy bump he got at the end was a clue to just stay out of the air. Pilots who resort to "instinctive flying" and ignore the fundamentals of aircraft operation often die. That "spin recovery" was bullshit.
You sir are a joke
Nobody:
TH-cam recommendations: deployment of a BRS ballistic parachute during spin recovery testing of an LSA aircraft
I watched it a few times and thought "why is there no attempt at spin recovery??.. No stick forward to break the stall, no opposite rudder.. in fact, his knees only "twitched" twice and not for long enough to stop rotation..It even looks like he had rudder into the rotation .. he never used rudder correctly at all ! And every time he pushed the stick forward, he immediately pulls it back again
At the end, he did the worst possible thing, stick back and opposite aileron - OMG what an 455hole.
He was just "stirring" the stick around...
That guy needed the parachute, in his case it was a replacement for flying skills.
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What a waste of a perfectly good aircraft... Paying for the most basic flight school would have saved him from the embarrassment. Any idea on how extensive the damage on the aircraft is after a "landing" like this?
Yuxin Ma superficial damage. You'd know that if you read the description. You'd also know he's a test pilot.
If you're judging his performance based on ZERO flight recorder data and just a 240p video, you're a moron. He's a test pilot. Who the fuck are you?
tenacious645 What a glorious response. 🤣
Why not wait a little longer??
The canopy fell due the the gravitational pull of his massive balls
Weird....instructors almost always say "hands on dash, reduce to idle, kick the opposite rudder through the freakin
floor and hold it there till it stops spinning" yoke inputs make it worse......he seemed to do all the things that make it worse....
Got any pixels with that video?
Thank you for flying Southwest.