Welding an Electric Motorcycle to a car - The Idiots guide
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode I attempt to weld a car with a harbor freight welder and the experience level of a 5 year old
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I have to say hats off to you for putting those welds on camera! You've got courage. I would totally fear all the comments to follow. Great video man
uncle rich is fearless. let the hate rain down on my chocolate body.
@@RichRebuilds my man! That's the way to do it, embrace the haters and your channel will grow even more I'm sure. I haven't gotten there yet with my channel. I usually just delete hater comments. Toss me a subscribe sometime if you want to make my day! Thanks again for all your great content.
Rich Rebuilds You have to start somewhere. My first welds, well they were bad also. Now they are a lot better. Oh make circle motions while welding with mig. I salute you to do this project and all the others!
Remember kids
Grinder and paint
Makes you the welder you ain't
AvE
@@theupscriber65 IIRC SVSeeker was the first to say that.
@@theupscriber65 go tell that to the king of rando---- oh wait
and when it fails, hope it dosnt impale
Lots of paint...
Aha Since your not much of a welder, as an ex welder fabricator of 12+ years; Next Time you should "Stitch Weld" those plates in, Instead of trying to do long passes.
Also your wire speed is way to high for thickness of those plates; definately go slow.
The spatter is from your wire speed to high, if your wire was stubbing after you turned the wire speed down; likely the machine is having a hard time producing enough amperage to melt the plates.
You can pre heat metal with a torch if your welder is to weak to get a solid weld with good penetration.
Stay Fabricating Rich!👨🏭
Nice to see some encouragement instead of people complaining about his beginner welds lol.
good tips and thanks for not beating on a welding noob.
Is there any way for a subscriber to pin a comment to the top?🤔
Is it bad that I'd be tempted to just caulk over the edges, smooth it off and paint it?
You can pretty much hear it (the buzzing sound) when you got it tuned i learned...
"this thing is strong as hell"
CLANG
"i didnt weld that part yet..."
my life in a nutshell
We should start a club ;-)
JamesThomas sign me in, please!
Ditto, going to need a big clubhouse I expect.
Lol.
If you want to jack up the transmission, don't do it by the end of the shaft! Jack under the housing.
i was cringing at that as well..
Del Cat thanks for the post. I was going to say the same thing too. That’s really bad for the bearing and seals to lift it by the input shaft. 🤦🏻♂️
@Jacob Morales it's about screwing up the splines on the shaft.. not the strength of the shaft.
@Jacob Morales also many things are built to take force from only specific directions, the shaft can rotate with a good bit of force but lift it from one said is total different, could damage bearings.
true but also he has no clutch XD. i wonder when he will realize.
"Instead of half-assing 2 things, I can whole-ass one thing"
Rich Rebuilds
instead of half assing one thing i can whole ass one thing
~ rich rebuilds ~ Ron Swanson
Half-assing one thing.
Better than just being an ass..
> Proceeds to half ass one thing
Ass is correct
I was a welder for only one year and I was almost sick in my mouth watching those welds. I don't even have OCD. I'm still shook.
I did a one week internship at a construction company and did better welds after just 1 day. Preparation is key. But that wouldn't be half as entertaining. 👍😊
i was a welder in the army and i must say I was having what seemed like a panic attack when i was watching him try to weld. It brought back memories of bullets flying over my head while trying to fix a humvee in the desert. Good to know it was shocking to other people too. makes me feel better
* Removes 15lbs by removing the power steering, adds 30lbs back by adding three solid 1/4" steel plates onto the frame". You shoulda had your laser cutter vendor make a pattern of holes in those plates first. Same strength, 1/3 the weight.
*similar strength
You would've been better using panel bond for that 1/4" steel
Samcrac and a few pop rivets
I was thinking just bolting those plates to the frame would have been good
Rich, you are by no means a fabricator, but i salute you for trying.
Rich: this thing is strong as hell
*piece that he didnt weld in yet: i'm about to end this mans whole career*
Cool idea. The execution is cringey as all hell coming from a mechanics view. Its painful to watch, but I cant stop.
At least you're honest. And you're gaining experience..
Learning by doing 👌
It’s like popping zits. Painful as hell but you just can’t help yourself.
I love the part where he puts the lithium battery in the Front to function as a crash box.
That's the thing. So many mechanics omit their mistakes. RichRebuilds shows it, warts and all.
He may do crap work, but he owns 100% more rat rods than I do.
That battery box looks solid by itself, why didn't you just use some angle iron and mount it lower in the frame rails?
I keep screaming this at the screen but he just wont listen lol.
Because he was a IT manager as a full-time job quit and he's doing this, if he was actually hired by someone he would be fired and back to doing IT but because this is youtube, we are watching an IT manager trying to build a car and he's getting paid for it
I think he may have said he wants everything to be visible, didn't want the battery hidden away like on traditional EVs that have been carefully thought out. Unfortunately, there's a reason why batteries aren't visible and mounted up high on the frame.
@@kolinstallman3788 well cause he probably filmed a few videos in advance so all that you see could've been weeks ago
@@Leonsimages The video where it all burns down will be up in a few weeks
He is so good with the Tesla rebuilds. This was painful to watch
It's hard to understand how there's such a discrepancy between those two, yes. But very entertaining!
he needs the three stooges to help him on this build if this is actually considered a build. I am uncertain if he is building or destroying
I was thinking the same thing. It hardly seems this is the same man even. It's just an altogether atrocious way to go about hodge podging this half thought out, underhwelming, what ever it is.
When you manage to make the shit welds on the car look good...
After seeing you weld, I changed my mind. Don't get a plasma torch.
Those Harbor Freight flux core welders are low powered crap. They typically max out at welding 1/8" material. Probably little to no penetration on the 1/4" plate, just grabbing onto the surface. If you want to drive this on the road with even a whiff of safety, please get a proper weld on that thing.
Yeah a simple used Arc welder would likely do the job and not break the bank.
to quote AVE "A grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't"
Cut a piece of angle iron, and weld from underneath. You can drill a hole and bolt in place without having to modify that plate.
would it be possible to weld that piece to the side of the steel plate instead of the top ?
@ can't weld on cast iron in a safe way
Yep, 2 pieces of angle iron. Way lighter, cheaper, cleaner, and you can hide the welds better. Not to mention WAY stronger. I wouldnt be surprised if the battery cracks that plate if he hits a decent pot hole.
@@kolinstallman3788 Yeah. As soon as it was placed I saw it flex a bit. Could also weld a length of channel iron across the bottom to take that flex out. Be great if you could center it under the center mass of the battery.
@@Chrismoughan hopefully he gets some reinforcement or redesign. If not, this is going to get much more interesting lol.
It should be illegal for rich to touch any welder in the future!
If that's the case, the same could be said for any self taught welding garage students.
My fellow welders watching this video and cringing at his welds but it’s ok I still love ya rich
Watching Rich install the bell housing was liking watching the before videos from an infomercial.
How is this not top comment
Put my discomfort into the perfect words.
thankyou for laying that battery down.... i just about jumped for joy...
looking good though rich, keep it coming !
“Enough space to put a really good bead” hahaha looks like you shat through a syringe and tried to make a fillet weld with it
You don't know what you don't know, there's a reason why professional Welders need licenses, and then another one for automotive bodywork.
The Entertainment value is exceptional.
The danger too
He just has the feed to high the mig if he would take a sec and look at shit if he turns it back to notches it would lay a bead clear example of someone with a lot of cash in the bank and mistakes that would cost us money hes not concerned about and it's to bad hes a smart dude and if he took the time he would do good work
At least he's improving the self-esteem of the thousands of sub-par welders who watch this video. (And I thought *I* couldn't weld...)
David Wilkie just the fact that he was welding outside in the public is really bad.... if some kid came by, looked in and got some permanent eye damage he’d been sued to ruin
@@technomen0872 if you dont stand close to it it doesnt harm you. I have been working as a welder for 5 years I have never got any damage on the clock . Only due hobby welding. 10-15 meters away you are pretty safe. And due to the angle the most of the car covered the arc.
Considering the welder says right on the instructions that it has a max if 1/8" ... Yeah, welding 1/4" should be fine.
Your welds look like that cause your wire speed and voltage are wrong for what you're welding.
Tyler Hardy Well, you know 8 is bigger then 4 so it should be good!!😂🤣😅
I'm not an amazing welder.... but my guess would be that the welds aren't penetrating? That's why they are bubbling on top of the metal. If the arc is hot enough, it will melt the two metals together and add the filler in. If the welder is turned up as hot as it can go, it may be insufficient for that job.
Always fun learning to weld.
With cheapie flux core 120 v welder on heavy steel, lay it in heavy and deep using little circles.
Why so much emphasis on good looking welds? Pretty welds are strong.
I'm not wishing you ill but if you ever get into a wreck, that plate is gonna pop off like a Revell crash up derby toy.
weld joints from hell :) glad to live in 230V-land where even 400V 3Phase is common in nearly any house - though i always use mma outside on a windy day
Your killing me with the duct tape lol. Keep up the good work. You make me want to play mad scientist in my garage. Wish I was close enough to help you with your welding.
Just my 2 cents: he's not using enough hot glue in his fabrication process.
I now see how my boss felt the first time I used a mig as an apprentice, 😂😂🤦♂️, rich keep at it 👍
I'm sure you have welders at a community college that would love this project.
Exactly, Tio Rich should delegate more and supervise more
True but he can't learn to master the skills if he doesn't try
at 600k subscribers, there are probably decent welders on youtube that would love to do a collab and help him.
Agreed, but if he quit his job to do this he needs to learn, maybe take a class or have someone teach him. Those were about the worse welds I have seen. I wouldn't call them welds because no penetration.
@@jaytrock3217 In the trade, we call those welds "bird shit". I did better welds than that on my first day of my apprenticeship. Also he is using a gasless mig, not a good choice in my opinion.
He should have looked up "how to weld" on TH-cam.
I'm super excited for the, "I finished my rat rod only to figure out it has a 30 mile range!"
30 miles?
I predict it gets parked at the shoulder of the road due to smoking or just plain cutting out, in under a mile, if it makes it out of the driveway at all.
It’s not at the “objectified” garage for good reason. It’s the EV equivalent of a soap box racer built by evil children with hammers and poor eyesight.
If he finish it, which I doubt, that thing is not even gonna move. That motor was built for a bike that is a fraction of the weight of that rat rod among many other mechanical things. Is a decent ideal but whole ass executed lol
@@bacilon33pachangamusic33 oh it'll move, just not fast
@@madmax2069 got a transmission to keep it near 0rpm at least lol #peaktorque!
Plenty of power. Original VW Bugs had a whopping 25 hp motor. The VW bus had all of 40.
My old Gold Wing motorcycle: 85hp.
So putting a bike motor in a cat is not necessarily a losing proposition.
I loved you in the old spice commercials!
Not gonna lie watching you trying to place that bell housing was the most frustrating thing i have witnessed in a long time
Come on Rich, didn’t we already get in trouble for dumpster diving once? 😂
Why should anyone get in trouble for dumpster diving? Can find useful things, give a second life, reduce landfill and save a fortune.
In some places it is encouraged.
@@ahaveland nah bro some places/people hate it
This is the sign of a long term watcher! Go Mary Louise!
In a previous video he grabbed some wood boards out of a dumpster and his neighbor saw him and called the cops on him. To which the police showed up and confiscated his pieces of wood. Which I think is absolutely ridicules Just making a small joke :)
@@MaryxLouise Thanks... that's just nuts. Your culture needs reprogramming!
Sparkly welds which will probably be OK, but just compare them to a good weld at 21:38 in the bottom right quarter. That's what you're aiming for. 😎
But I do admire Rich's 'Can Do' attitude. That's what has got him all the way here. That, and brute force and ignorance. 👍
in true ratrod fashion just ratchet strap the battery box down, and zip tie the grille and radiator shell together😆
barded wire would look mean
Rich Rebuilds- "do I look like a man with a plan? I just do things"
You need to get hold of some scrap and practice your welds. Ideally before you let loose on car.
yep
That's way less fun to watch.
Just saw your story on the news and you have inspired me so much and im sure others have been moved by you and ypur journey as well. Keep pushing and keep inspiring!
Much success to you!
My boy rich with the consistant uploads
Straight up I want to compliment this series. It's great.
A majority of us out here on TH-cam don't knkw how to build a car. And you've put together Teslas.
The fact that you took on a crazy or difficult/weird project is great for teaching. Everything comes up unexpectedly, and you work through it, one problem at a time, every step of the way. You show when to ask a friend, when special tools are needed, etc. You give a realistic sense of how difficult the project is too (but ultimately how to make it doable).
If I know anything about putting together a car, I learned it mostly from this series.
A slicker/"cooler" project like the Teslas or even Truckla is awesome to watch, but the fact it goes so smoothly means I don't learn nearly as much.
I hope you don't get heat stroke doing those welds in 100 degrees. If I had more money I would be donating on Patreon. I never block ads though, so I hope some ad revenue makes it your way. Best to you, and thank you for educating people about cars!
The bicycle suits you, Rich, but it could use more tassels and noisemakers.
I popped my daughters tire last month doing that.... now I have more to fix. :(
JayBee brooo, this is ...too funny!
Rich, please watch some TH-cam welding videos or get a lesson or two from a pro welder friend. It was brutal watching you weld - ouch.
Rich you should have practiced on some scrap 1/4" steel with welding before attempting to weld. you rush to much.
Being rather thick steel(for the welder)i would have heated up the metal with a propane torch before welding as well, he was just welding in the sunlight instead of popping out some kind of pop-shade or something and thats when bad ideas and hurrying happens
Cut finished scrap welds to inspect penetration.
Ground electrode clamped to new plate sucked
most of the juice/heat/weld away from the frame.
Needs more AMPS, when you burn a hole, it's too high.
I love this channel and Rich, the memes you made in this are so epic. I wet myself laughing so hard 😂
Bolt the controller's heat-sink to the underside of the mounting plate. That will get more heat dissipation as well.
If that mounting plate is steel, it will actually do the opposite of what you want. Steel gets hot and stays hot (low thermal conductivity). The controller will eventually die a heat death.
@@flickerblip9044 you have a good point. Maybe he can just flip the unit over and have the heat sink pointing upwards and maybe weld off some attachment points to make a bracket that it fits in.
He could cut a slot into the steel and lay the heatsink into the cutout so that he gets the airflow while the car drives while also having the steel there to secure it down
Why did you weld those plates on again...and just not bolt them down? (sees into future)
lots of sparks make for better youtube vid's
My theory is he was not wanting to weaken the original frame by making bolt holes, perhaps?
It's coming together Rich loving every minute of it.. keep at it.
Best Editing Ever! LOL Love the references and special effects.
The $100 120V AC HF welder can’t do 1/4” thick material. Might has well just have drilled some holes and just bolted it on.
I've done1/4" with the same welder many times. Never had a weld break.
JRP3 - I’ve got one too and couldn’t get the penetration on something that thick.
@@montestu5502 If you "V" groove the joints and make multiple passes out should be fine. Also preheating with a propane torch can help with thicker material. It is hard to make a good looking weld with that machine though.
Think of them as tack welds for the eventual drilling + bolts that will have to hold it together. Rich usually figures things out eventually, but it's painful to watch.
JRP3 - Good idea with the torch. Yeah, when I bought it I didn’t know the difference between an AC transformer and a DC inverter welder. Dang AC welders splatter like crazy. Almost bought their cheapy inverter welder this weekend when it was on sale for $150.
Welding in short is almost as exciting as using grinder with shorts and bare feet.
you want a rush? try grinding without eye protection
i trust your going to weld the underside of those plates ??
@@guyfaux5010 lol .
No need to weld the underside. Just the top is fine. That being said, the top welds are not going to hold because they have no penetration.
I was thinking about the undeside of the plates too , I was wondering how well his welder can weld upside down .
Go kart engine plates only need to be slightly more than tack welded in, this is maybe 4 times the weight and power of a 2 seat gokart, so it really probably will hold longer than you think.
OMG, those are not welds, they are welder bubbles semi-attached.
Literally crying with laughter at the use of tape on the transmission. Joe was correct when he said you should be on stage doing stand-up!!! Keep it up mate, one of the most entertaining channels around!
Don’t cut those off use them as mounting points weld L brackets to the plate
I came to comment the same thing! Like bro you got metal and you got a welder make some damn brackets!
Turned the whole thing sideways so it dont even matter..
I still think he'll miss the powered steering with all that weight over the front wheels.
Use your finger to smear automotive sealer along those welds then paint it 👌
I spent the whole episode going no, no, no!!!!
Slow down on the weld speed, and remember nothing good comes easy.
But your mom came ea.... nonononono... 😯😂
AND, if it isn't easy, you are doing it wrong.
I'd say tack weld the bell housing to the fire wall but I've seen your welds....
Watching you with that bell housing was the most entertaining five minutes of my life :D :D
I don't even know why he kept the factory bellhousing since he's not using a clutch.
@@theupscriber65 Lazy/Poor man bracket I wager...
It would've been quicker had he just bolted the bell housing to the transmission, THEN attached the duct tape. What a newb, rite?
@@theupscriber65 Prob because he'd have to buy a longer drive shaft. Then he'd have to have some way to mount the motor to counteract the tq. The bell housing already mounts rigidly to the frame.
Awsome Build, When Rich says "if I can do it, you can do it" I can really believe him.
Crank your welder up. That thick steel needs more heat.
I'm sure that 120v harbor freight welder is already cranked up to 11.
Bahaha it’s a 110 HF mig unit with no gas. That thing is rated for like 1/8 inch max!!!
...and try welding in a forward direction. 😊👍
is not the heat that make that weld terrible, is because its outside, the wind is blowing the gas thats coming out of the tip and messing up the weld
@@sergiutabirta7636 pretty sure thats gassless wire
boy, it both hurts and makes you feel good to see you at work, a masterclass acting to make it believable you're struggling that much, a real empowerment exercise you're offering all of us subpar mechanics out there...thank you Rich!
Jesus man, watch some welding tutorials before you try to weld.
Haha, making videos - not watching them😂👍
I think it fits the rat rod parsona.
deathtrap persona
I wasn't paying attention to the video when he was welding, and when he was talking about the side welds, I looked up and my first thought was 'Is he stick welding??'. Looking at the video, with the lack of a gas bottle, seems he's gassless MIG welding. I'm not even remotely close to a welding expert, but dayum... every weld I've done looks better than those lol. I think 'rushing' is an understatement. But the two short welds he pointed out did look halfway decent lol.
Honestly, a 110v rosin core mig HF welder, can make a good welder look bad, on 1/4 steel.
That’s a lot of weight up front over the front axle matey, I like the idea of it behind the grill, but handling and safety is key, it could understeer like crazy, tilting the battery helps lower the centre of gravity though. 👍
Looking good man. Good call lying the battery down.
I dont even know why did he have the battery on upwards position in the first, should be really easy to spot that it fits much better on the sideways. But i guess we are blind for our own projects and do mistakes that others spot in a millisecond
He must have heard us yelling at our screens.
"so im just gonna put the camera over here and you can watch me struggle for a fev minutes" and we proceeded to do exactly that omfao hahaha.
Return that welder...it is complete garbage! I speak from experience!!!
nah, not really. an arc/tick would be better but this welder should be fine if he went slower. i've built a lot of stuff with these cheapo gasless mig welders, they are good if you know what you're doing. in this case rich has no idea
Jesse Kelly, true. But for a total newbie very difficult to get settings right!
@@jessekelly6150 mag is absolut fine for this kind of weld
He just doesn't did the right prework. Fased plate and so on
For that pointlessly thick steel, he should have used a stick welder.
@@truantray I totally agree
" I didn't well those pieces on yet" lol. I was a little curious. haha
I'm still sad that the rats killed your Tesla
time to make tesla that kills rats
nah, they did some damage but the "death" was just a fuse that wore out. Totally repairable
Rich...I'm no expert welder but an experienced welder may only tack those plates in first...then, later, firm up welds where needed but not the entire length of the plate. Example: If you bolted those in place you would likely only be relying on 4 to 6 bolts. Properly chosen bolts would handle all the tensile and sheer you could throw at 'em.
Never weld near wiring the splatter will melt your wires even if you cover them up
Yep. Worst case you cause pin holes and spend months chasing electrical gremlins in your wiring harness. Welding blankets are cheap insurance at a minimum.
Thank you for showing your struggles with the duct tape. Makes me feel better
Grinder and paint, makes a welder what he ain’t!
I use cantesco TD-16 “tip dip” to cut down on spatter...or a grinder and flap disc works.
I'm not a welder, but seems you are not either. For me it looks that those plates are really going to fall off. As a hint, it wont hurt to practice with scap-pieces from a same material to get you settings and speed correct. In outside, some cover from the wind can help a lot. Anyway, it is nice to watch your videos, so keep doing them.
Did you really just jack the transmission from there... oh god.
and no wood/rubber in between either... that gives the shakes to all.
cringe city!
I'm thinking on starting building my own titanium and aluminum lightweight EV with this tutorial.
Maybe put the battery in more of the center of the hot rod so the center of gravity is more in the middle,
Rich, regarding the welding. You need to do 2 things to clean it up and get it nice and smoothe. First with MIG welding you always point it in the direction your welding, never backwards. Second, turn the Ampherage up to 80-100amps on the MIG. grind the weld clean first, then do 3 runs pointing the mig at roughly a 45 degree angle. First run needs to be at the bottom of the L joint. Next run to the left of that and the final run at the top of the L joint. Turn the ampherage up for that final run and gravity will do the rest. Should be a nice smoothe weld. Also, remove any inclusions with a wire brush prior to welding...
Sears catalog - YES, only til the Victoria Secret and Frederick's catalogs showed up.
"The secondary elephant in the room." Lol, Rich has multiple elephants. There's a whole herd in the comment section. I'm binge watching this whole series. Keep going!
Jacking the transmission up by the input shaft.....jesus.
Why not just jack up the transmission by jacking up the transmission instead.
Here's a tip for mounting heavy things in awkward spots. Get some extra bolts a little longer than the actual ones you're going to use. Cut the heads off of them and run them into the threaded holes where you're mounting it. They act as guide pins and support the weight while you get another bolt started and snug. Then just back the studs you made out with pliers or by hand. Install the rest of the bolts. Watching you struggle with that bell housing was awesome.
Onion took away haggard, now we have the next best thing.
I was laughing with you while you were trying to install the bell housing. I’m lying. I was laughing at you.🤣🤣
You can only watch up to the 11:50 minute mark free of charge, at that point you gonna need tickets to the GUN SHOW 💪
-Uncle Rich #doyouevenliftbro
can't deny that i got a big chuckle out of the plate falling off the jack. it's something I would of totally done. love your videos dude. keep it up!
I hope someone buys it at the car show for at least $60,000+.
Shekhar Moona sorry but that car will not be worth much more than it’s scrap after he’s done with it so I gotta say over responder is sadly right
Rich, I'm going to give you a thumbs up not because the video is great but because you just really need it!🤪🤣🤣🤣
love ur content! but i can't believe you jacked the trans up via the spline on the shaft?! at least put a block of wood bro. or jack under the transmission. had to call that out.
My boy use to do the same shit u do , till his toes got chopped off ! 🤣 he only got two toes on the left side now ! 😆 the funny part is it’s the two middle toes that are left 🤣
Yeah, that "spackle" won't hold in my opinion. You did get a lot of spatter though.
I was going to suggest laying the battery down instead of standing it, but you came to your senses. I really look forward to seeing this on the road. Good luck
when welding try goin slower and doing small circles as u go dude am guessing ur using gasless welding wire which is why ur gettin all the skanky bit maybe try turning the power up slighlty also
Also some anti-slag spray
He's definitely using gas-less wire
@@autismosis69 ye thought that from all the slag on there
just a tip and only the tip mind
circles or even a "walking the dog" motion seems to give a reasonably solid and clean weld with gassless.
You could turn it up to 11 on that big ole plate
Are you going to have some sort of cover underneath the vehicle, to stop dirt getting on all of the components? I think that'd be a nice idea. :)
Not sure why, but that welding job somehow got attached to my long term visual memory...
Btw Rich, this is real important!!!!!
The first 30 seconds is why I am a repeat customer of your channel. Love your comedy and I love you. Killing it man
I'm sorry dude, but I would not call these "welds"!
Please stay safe, Rick!
Don't put your health in danger with those, they will break very easily
I really love how you show what you think about it as the project goes along. Personally, I am a raging mess when I do "mechanical" things, so it is nice to see you react to different things... I don't know exactly how to phrase it, but I like your style!