I cannot understand how anyone could respond to such sublime singing. However, looking at the bored expressions of some of the audience in this video one might wonder what on earth they are doing there! Jaroussky is magical no doubt about it -who can disagree?
These comments are confusing to me. My first encounter with Jaroussky was in Salle Pleyel in Giulio Cesare with Cecilia Bartoli. He was fabulous and only one of several countertenors in the show. He was as loud as any of those other guys. I also noticed nothing "pop" about his performance. So I guess I don't get it.
Deux voix célestes (dont celle d'une femme ravissante) au service d'une musique sublime, bouleversante écrite par un génie mort à 26 ans... On est au sommet.
colora40 I got my opening night whith music of Pergolese.He past away too early, otherwise we had have more beautifull music. This is so beautifull,I love Jaroussky.
@serenaluce I understand your point, but I don't understand why you are talking here about A Bocelli when I was talking about Jarousski. The only contertenor I can think of who was kind of a "pop singer" was Klaus Nomi, and thanks to him, when I was a teenager I discovered Purcell, contertenors voices and a whole kind of classical music I didn't think I could like. There's no bad way for discovering good music, and if Bocelli can do the same for other people, that's fine with me !
While my father prayed earnestly to god To protect commerce, I would offer up... Secretly... The proudest prayer a boy could think of. Lord, make me a great composer. Let me celebrate your glory Through music And be celebrated myself. Make me famous through the world, dear god. Make me immortal. After I die, Let people speak my name forever With love for what I wrote. In return, I will give you my chastity And my industry... My deepest humility, Every hour of my life. Amen.
@19Edurne Actually Natalie and she seem to be good friends and one of the Duets on a CD by Emmanuelle Haim is with the two of them. The Virgin (EMI) promotional video (Handel, Arcadian Duets) on YT captures some of the interaction between them. Guess who is the more dignified. I like them both a lot.
@arpeggio1358 I hate to tell you this, Arpeggio, but any time you hear a recording of an opera singer... a microphone or some sort was used. Otherwise.. No Recording!!! By the way, the cameo look at Natalie Dessay sitting at that table was fun.
@drbarbarabaker - that's because Serenaluce (and her great and good friend Arpeggio 1358) dislike Jaroussky and are spamming videos that feature him. They're wrong about him being miked (I discussed this with a professional musician and a trustee of the Boston Early Music Festival), but are convinced that they are right and the rest of the early music world is somehow in in thrall to a "pop countertenor," whatever the !!!$!$@! that is.
Quelle est la plus belle version??? Peut-être celle qu'on a entendue pour la première fois et qui nous a émue aux larmes. Moi aussi je préférais la version Anderson et Bartoli... mais là je viens de découvrir autre chose. L'Amen est bien rythmé, pas trop rapide. Quelles belle voix! J'en ai encore les larmes aux yeux! Merci...
@serenaluce Try to be precise with words : Foster Jenkins is a PARODY not a PARODIST. She would be a parodIST if she had sang that bad on purpose, but she did that seriously believing she was a singer, thus making of herself the parodY of an opera singer. Since we don't give the same meaning to words, I don't see the point in continuing this exchange any further. Have a nice year !
Actually Pergolesi's Stabat Mater was composed for an Alto Castrato and a boy Treble. Many of Vivaldi's pieces as well (Like Juditha Triumphans) Were originally written for orphan girls from the Ospedale della pietà. I know that is hard to picture children singing such elaborate repertoire. But in that time musical education was very important "Many people knew how to read scores,even if the only writing they know was how to sing their names"
@19Edurne Hey, I discovered Chopin via Liberace many decades ago. I now like his personal appearance, comedic style better than just his audio.. but even that had a certain style.
I posted all aria of the show. The rest is only french discussion. It would be so long to post the show and youtube doesn't accept long video. See my videos on my youtube account. Five are extract from this show
@serenaluce Happy new year to you to ! But I still think it's useless if you're mistaking the quality of the voice with the training. And if you want to hear a really untrained singer, search for Florence Foster Jenkins if you don't know her yet : If you're in for a big laugh, believe me you won't be disappointed ! My gift for the new year !
@frenchiecocorico1 sorry but there is a very important difference between castratos and counter tenors.. bering a counter tenor myself I know that I've still got my balls.. Castratos however had to give them up to keep their high voices.. There is also a huge difference in tone and warmth in their voices..
@serenaluce - and your OPINION about Jaroussky wearing a body mike is just that: an opinion. I've spoken with people who actually have worked with him, and he does NOT wear a mike.
@serenaluce If you consider Jaroussky as a pop singer, then it's hopeless ! I'm really wondering on wich criteria you base your judgment. And by the way, "tenor" or "counter tenor" has to do with the range of one's voice, and "pop", "jazz" or "classical" with the way one chooses to use this voice. I'm still waiting for you to give me a clear explanation of what is pop in PJ's way of singing. For me, I just ear a classical trained singer singing classical music in a classical way.
@CornillieJunior You are right, they seem to be too busy with their own coolness to enjoy the performance (or they are all stoned, I guess we will never know....)
@serenaluce But my point was that I really don't understand why you despise Jarousski that much,treating him a "pop singer" when he clearly isn't. I can admit you don't like his voice,after all, I don't like Caballé's voice (I always have the impression she's on the verge of being off key, can't help it) but I would never say she's a bad singer.
Well, well, each of us can indeed mark the trolling of the multiple troll "Serenaluce" as SPAM or thumb down, and otherwise ignore it. You just feed a troll by anwering to their inane rantings.
We must recall that in the catholic tradition of Pergolesi times, women were strictly forbidden to sing in the churches. So this Stabat Mater as all the other catholic hymns were performed originaly by two Castratos (counter tenor) which is currently never the case today.
@serenaluce Well, of course he sings only high notes ! He sings as a counter tenor for god's sake ! Not a tenor or a baritone (although he can sing baritone for fun sometimes : actually, he and Andreas Scholl are the only 2 CT I ever heard sing also in a baritone register.) And I'm sorry, but his voice and "répertoire" choices don't sound pop nor commercial to me, unless you think Monteverdi or some obscure Renaissance composers are a sure bet for commercial success.
@serenaluce Sorry but I do make the difference between pop singing and classical singing, contrary to what you think. But we're going to stop there because it's useless and we clearly don't speak about the same thing. I make a difference between the technique and the intrinsic quality of a voice. There are just things training and technique can't change in a voice, and that's what make them unique. If you think his voice is flat, fine. But stop saying he's untrained !
"A better singing partner", really !! And who would that be ? You want the name of a really FASHIONABLE singer : try Justin Bieber. As for Jarousski, that's not the word I would have chosen : "good", even "excellent" would be more appropriate. I never ceased to be amazed by the way some people can dismiss someone just like that ! Oh, and by the way, I don't think Véronique Gens needs to sing with him for getting promotion. And if she was after that, she would have sing with Natalie Dessay.
Alors écoutez la version récente dirigée par René Jacobs avec Sophie Karthäuser et Christophe DUMAUX. L'équilibre des voix ( et des ornements ) est parfait car c'est une voix de contre-ténor au timbre riche en harmoniques, doté d'un juste vibrato et avec un grave sonore ( ce qui n'est pas le cas du si médiatisé Philippe Jarouski au timbre monochrome blanc et droit ).
@sobelou I just saw most of Pergolesi's Stabat Mater with a good soprano and Vivica Genaux On YT. It was fantastic! Much better than this one. It was, however, a big production compared to this one. It also got a fabulous reception from the audience who finally compelled an encore after numerous leavings and returnings by the conductor and the singers. One difference seemed to be that the other that one was better rehearsed. Another was that the soprano and Vivica were much better balanced.
@serenaluce - you know, a couple of weeks ago I ran into someone who works with Robert Eisenstein, founder of the Folger Consort. According to her, Eisenstein not only has worked with Jaroussky, but raved about his musicianship, acting skill, and professionalism. And guess what? HE WASN'T WEARING A BODY MIKE. At all. Not in rehearsal, not in performance. You and Arpeggio (who writes just like you) are wrong. No one says you have to like him, but slandering him is a bit much.
So much crankiness always on early and classical music videos. Something that some early and classical fans don't like, what they consider to be pop-like, is sliding between notes (portamento).
@serenaluce I "poopoo" on nobody ! Did I ever say I don't like like Spano ? In fact I quite like his voice, but I had never heard of him before. But unlike you, I will never say I'm a FAN, of ANYONE ! Even people I like a lot, because FAN means fanatic, and fanatism leads to a lot of things, and generally bad ones. I'm still waiting the clear explanation for why you qualify PJ a "pop commercial" singer by the way. I might be dumb because I just don't get it.
mise en scène très sobre, certes (c'est la lélé!) MAIS musique et voix sublimes music and voices wonderful die Musik und die Stimme sind wunderschön musica e voci sublimi..........................................
Beautiful voices really... but the Orchestra isn't doing them justice. To me they sound like a second-rate amateur Orchestra. Those first 50 seconds were hard on my ears at least.
I've seen PJ in live in " il sant alessio" , it was beautiful.And his voice wasn't amplified.He doesn't need it.But Veronique Gens and Jarroussky ' voices don't fit together i think, that's why this version of stabat mater isn't very good.
You give just speculative hypothesis because never nor Pergolesi or Vivaldi indicated the voice register on the sheets but sometimes the name of a performer. The choice of the register is given by the uses of the time. The fact Vivaldi was musical master at the girl orphanage "Ospedale della Pietà" didn't mean any castrato never sang his music because most of his works were performed for Venetian nobility by their private musicians. Musical abilities were only possible in the educated classes
Dans les contre-ténors on distingue le contre-ténor aigü, aussi appelé sopraniste. Mais le sopraniste n'a rien à voir avec la soprano, voix féminine et encore moins avec le castrat, qui lui n'existe pus. Lesne est contre-ténor avec une tessiture d'alto. Après on dit que l'altiste est baryton/basse en voix de poitrine, et le sopraniste plutôt ténor. Mais cela dépend aussi du travail de sa voix de poitrine.
@tobiassegura Yes, you're absolutely right and I know it well for a long time. Actually, there is no real castrato singer anymore. They have been replaced by counter tenors and fortunately all of them have balls. I just remenbered that in the catholic tradition of Pergolesi times, women were forbidden to sing in churches and only male singers were allowed to do. Sopranos were either children or Castratos. So, today counter tenors would have to sing the Castratos part instead of women
@serenaluce You say you don't despise him but call him a "virus", with a "flat (!?)" "untrained" falsetto. Well, I really don't know how to namel it but despise ! Just because you think his voice is "flat"(compared to what ?) doesn't make him a pop singer, and he certainly isn't untrained ! I get that you're "a huge fan" of Spano (yes, I had a look at your chanel) but that's not a reason for disrespect. Fortunately, each singer has a different voice, otherwise music would be really boring.
LATIN Stabat mater dolorosa Juxta crucem lacrymosa Dum pendebat Filius. Cujus animam gementem Contristatem et dolentes Pertransivit gladius. O quam tristis et afflicta Fuit illa benedicta Mater unigeniti. Quae morebat et dolebat et tremebat cum videbat Nati poenas inclyti. Quis est homo qui non fleret Christi Matrem si videret In tanto supplicio? Quis posset non contristari Piam Matrem contemplari Dolentem cum Filio? Pro peccatis suae gentis Vidit Jesum in tormentis Et flagellis subditum. Vidit suum dulcem natum Morientem desolatum, Dum emisit spiritum. Eia Mater fons amoris, Me sentire vim doloris Fac ut tecum lugeam. Fac ut ardeat cor meum, In amando Christum Deum Ut sibi complaceam. Sancta Mater istud agas Crucifixi fige plagas Corde meo valide. Tui nati vulnerati Jam dignati pro me pati Poenas mecum divide. Fac me vere tecum flere Crucifixo condolere Donec ego vixero. Juxta crucem tecum stare Te libenter sociare In planctu desidero. Virgo, virginum praeclara Mihi jam non sis amara Fac me tecum plangere. Virgo, virginum praeclara Mihi jam non sis amara Fac me tecum plangere. Fac ut portem Christi mortem Passionis ejus sortem Et plagas recolere. Fac me plagis vulnerari Cruce hac inebriari Ob amorem Filii. Inflammatus et accensus Per te Virgo sim defensus In die judicii. Fac me Cruce custodiri Morte Christi praemuniri Confoveri gratia Quando corpus morietur Fac ut animae donetur Paradisi gloria. Amen ENGLISH The mother stood sorrowing by the cross, weeping while her Son hung there; Whose soul, lamenting, sorrowing and grieving, has been pierced by the sword. O how sad and afflicted was that blessed Mother of her only-begotten Son. Who wept and grieved and trembled to behold the torment of her glorious child. What man would not weep if he saw the Mother of Christ in such torment? Who could not be sorrowful to behold the pious mother grieving with her Son? For the sins of His people she saw Jesus in torment and subjected to the whip. She saw her sweet Son dying, forsaken, as He gave up the spirit. Ah Mother, fount of love, let me feel the force of grief, that I may grieve with you. Make my heart burn with the love of Christ, the God, that I may be pleasing to Him. Holy Mother, bring this to pass, transfix the wounds of Him who is crucified firmly onto my heart. Of your wounded Son, who deigns to suffer for my sake, let me share the pains. Make me truly weep with you, grieving with Him who is crucified so that I may live. To stand by the cross with you, to be freely joined with you in lamentation, I desire. Virgin of virgins, resplendent, do not now be harsh towards me, let me weep with you. Virgin of virgins, resplendent, do not now be harsh towards me, let me weep with you. Let me carry Christ's death, the destiny of his passion, and meditate upon his wounds. Let me suffer the wounds of that cross, steeped in love of your Son. Fired and excited by you, O Virgin, let me be defended on the day of judgement. Let me be shielded by the cross, protected by Christ's death, cherished by grace. When my body dies, let my soul be given the glory of paradise. Amen.
@serenaluce Yikes!! Why do you have to yell? Be serene, Serena!!. I don't have a clue of how many videos PJ has on You Tube, but almost every time I stumble upon one, there you are, intensely personal (yes, personal, several times you have made derogatory comments about his manhood). If you despise him so, or have such low artistic view of him, why do you waste your time on him?
@arpeggio1358 For me, power is not a major quality for singing. Emotion, musicality are more important, maybe like many people who like PJ. I don't feel like requiring a diploma of any kind to enjoy music, all kinds of musics, without dogmatism or elitism. I can feel so depressed listening to Chostakovitch, but i can't play piano. Wagner is not PJ's favourite music, he often sings in churches with small baroque ochestras, he seldom has to overflow a choir of 40 or more singers. Enjoy music.
@serenaluce - interesting, that you go berserk about someone noticing the strange similarity between your writing style and Arpeggio's, yet you go around spreading lies about a singer because you don't like him. Cast out the plank in your own eye before spouting off next time, okay? And oh, since you seem obsessed with "pop countertenors," perhaps you should check out some Rush videos since Geddy Lee is, you know, a REAL pop countertenor.
c'est dommage , ils ne chantent pas vraiment ensemble, et malgré leur talent, la musique ne prend pas et il n'y a pas de poésie . ça arrive, même avec les meilleurs artistes .
@arpeggio1358 I am assuming that all of the singing with microphone is not recorded, that you were there in person and have good reason to be sure that it was not being recorded for any purpose. You and serenaluce post over, and over, and over again on this same thread insulting Jaroussky and pushing your Cencic etc. Surely no one is paying you for this crazy drivel, but what an obsession... and what mean spiritedness and poor manners.
I cannot understand how anyone could respond to such sublime singing. However, looking at the bored expressions of some of the audience in this video one might wonder what on earth they are doing there! Jaroussky is magical no doubt about it -who can disagree?
Quelle grande maîtrise du chant qu'ont ces deux chanteurs c'est un pur émerveillement.
This is the best and most dramatic Stabat Mater I have heard.
Many stars for that!
The beauty of their voices makes me cry....I am overwhelmed by feelings!
Christian Waldau
oh, my sweet Philippe with Maestro Spinosi again...
Christian
cette musique, ces deux voix, un enchantement, quelle beauté et merci aux mères qui restèrent debout alors que les pères moururent
These comments are confusing to me. My first encounter with Jaroussky was in Salle Pleyel in Giulio Cesare with Cecilia Bartoli. He was fabulous and only one of several countertenors in the show. He was as loud as any of those other guys. I also noticed nothing "pop" about his performance. So I guess I don't get it.
Deux voix célestes (dont celle d'une femme ravissante) au service d'une musique sublime, bouleversante écrite par un génie mort à 26 ans... On est au sommet.
colora40 I got my opening night whith music of Pergolese.He past away too early,
otherwise we had have more beautifull music. This is so beautifull,I love Jaroussky.
@serenaluce
I understand your point, but I don't understand why you are talking here about A Bocelli when I was talking about Jarousski. The only contertenor I can think of who was kind of a "pop singer" was Klaus Nomi, and thanks to him, when I was a teenager I discovered Purcell, contertenors voices and a whole kind of classical music I didn't think I could like. There's no bad way for discovering good music, and if Bocelli can do the same for other people, that's fine with me !
ps: i'm fond of Jarroussky, when he sings you have the impression that it's very natural, easy for him.It's very sweet.
Este Stabat Mater es sublime.
Más aún interpretado por el espléndido Jarussky
Absolument d'accord avec vous ! Quelle version Jacobs-Hennig ! Une pure merveille
While my father prayed earnestly to god To protect commerce, I would offer up... Secretly... The proudest prayer a boy could think of. Lord, make me a great composer. Let me celebrate your glory Through music And be celebrated myself. Make me famous through the world, dear god. Make me immortal. After I die, Let people speak my name forever With love for what I wrote. In return, I will give you my chastity And my industry... My deepest humility, Every hour of my life. Amen.
@19Edurne Actually Natalie and she seem to be good friends and one of the Duets on a CD by Emmanuelle Haim is with the two of them. The Virgin (EMI) promotional video (Handel, Arcadian Duets) on YT captures some of the interaction between them. Guess who is the more dignified. I like them both a lot.
Quel dommage que cette émission ait disparu du petit écran, elle m'a fait passer d'excellents moments musicaux, comme celui-ci. Josèphe LUNEL-TROSSET
@arpeggio1358 I hate to tell you this, Arpeggio, but any time you hear a recording of an opera singer... a microphone or some sort was used. Otherwise.. No Recording!!! By the way, the cameo look at Natalie Dessay sitting at that table was fun.
Que c'est bien chanté! - Quelle belle interprétation! - Continuez1 - C'est formidable!
Sublime
@drbarbarabaker - that's because Serenaluce (and her great and good friend Arpeggio 1358) dislike Jaroussky and are spamming videos that feature him. They're wrong about him being miked (I discussed this with a professional musician and a trustee of the Boston Early Music Festival), but are convinced that they are right and the rest of the early music world is somehow in in thrall to a "pop countertenor," whatever the !!!$!$@! that is.
Quelle est la plus belle version??? Peut-être celle qu'on a entendue pour la première fois et qui nous a émue aux larmes.
Moi aussi je préférais la version Anderson et Bartoli... mais là je viens de découvrir autre chose.
L'Amen est bien rythmé, pas trop rapide.
Quelles belle voix!
J'en ai encore les larmes aux yeux!
Merci...
Merci pour ce partage.
Merveilleux......
@serenaluce
Try to be precise with words : Foster Jenkins is a PARODY not a PARODIST. She would be a parodIST if she had sang that bad on purpose, but she did that seriously believing she was a singer, thus making of herself the parodY of an opera singer.
Since we don't give the same meaning to words, I don't see the point in continuing this exchange any further.
Have a nice year !
Una maravilla.......
Maybe you should try the new CD, it will be released in France the 9th november, I think,,,,
Actually Pergolesi's Stabat Mater was composed for an Alto Castrato and a boy Treble. Many of Vivaldi's pieces as well (Like Juditha Triumphans) Were originally written for orphan girls from the Ospedale della pietà. I know that is hard to picture children singing such elaborate repertoire. But in that time musical education was very important "Many people knew how to read scores,even if the only writing they know was how to sing their names"
@19Edurne Hey, I discovered Chopin via Liberace many decades ago. I now like his personal appearance, comedic style better than just his audio.. but even that had a certain style.
Sublime!!!!
Simplemente extraordinario, maravilloso, exelso...apoteotico!
Hay por Dios, me encanta la obra y la interpretaciòn es excelente para mi.
You can write in english, because i don't understand what you exactly want. All extracts from this french show are already post
@19Edurne
And I don't consider Bocelli to be an opera singer, but I consider him to have a tenor voice.
La he escuchado con soprano y contralto, pero hasta ahora con soprano y contratenor y es fabulosa también.
Si es el Stabat Mater de Pergolesi, es el último movimiento, se llama quando corpus morietur.
Great!!!! Is always best when used a countertenor! ....Wish I could sing like this....
Gostei da junção destas duas VOZES FENOMENAIS!!!
This is just because she's got a different hairdo in this vid, but that's definitely her, both singing and in the picture behind.
I posted all aria of the show. The rest is only french discussion. It would be so long to post the show and youtube doesn't accept long video. See my videos on my youtube account. Five are extract from this show
@serenaluce Happy new year to you to ! But I still think it's useless if you're mistaking the quality of the voice with the training.
And if you want to hear a really untrained singer, search for Florence Foster Jenkins if you don't know her yet : If you're in for a big laugh, believe me you won't be disappointed ! My gift for the new year !
Very good ensemble..
@frenchiecocorico1 sorry but there is a very important difference between castratos and counter tenors.. bering a counter tenor myself I know that I've still got my balls.. Castratos however had to give them up to keep their high voices.. There is also a huge difference in tone and warmth in their voices..
@serenaluce - and your OPINION about Jaroussky wearing a body mike is just that: an opinion. I've spoken with people who actually have worked with him, and he does NOT wear a mike.
@serenaluce
If you consider Jaroussky as a pop singer, then it's hopeless ! I'm really wondering on wich criteria you base your judgment. And by the way, "tenor" or "counter tenor" has to do with the range of one's voice, and "pop", "jazz" or "classical" with the way one chooses to use this voice. I'm still waiting for you to give me a clear explanation of what is pop in PJ's way of singing. For me, I just ear a classical trained singer singing classical music in a classical way.
I like this a lot!
chris
Pergolesi sublime.... sous la direction merveilleuse de Jean-Christophe Spinosi
@CornillieJunior You are right, they seem to be too busy with their own coolness to enjoy the performance (or they are all stoned, I guess we will never know....)
MARAVILHOSAS VOZES !!!
11-11-2013
@serenaluce
But my point was that I really don't understand why you despise Jarousski that much,treating him a "pop singer" when he clearly isn't. I can admit you don't like his voice,after all, I don't like Caballé's voice (I always have the impression she's on the verge of being off key, can't help it) but I would never say she's a bad singer.
I dont really love the soprano but jaroussky is, as ever, amazing!
EXCELENTE INTERPRETAÇÃO !!!!
13-03-2013
Magnífico! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Try Sphera AntiQva... you will love them
Well, well, each of us can indeed mark the trolling of the multiple troll "Serenaluce" as SPAM or thumb down, and otherwise ignore it. You just feed a troll by anwering to their inane rantings.
Beautiful and sublime singing. Interesting to compare with phenomenal countertenor ANDREY NEMZER singing SAINT FRANCIS PRAYER.
We must recall that in the catholic tradition of Pergolesi times, women were strictly forbidden to sing in the churches. So this Stabat Mater as all the other catholic hymns were performed originaly by two Castratos (counter tenor) which is currently never the case today.
@ramirogorriti how many seconds did she have to begin applauding before the video quit?
@serenaluce
Well, of course he sings only high notes ! He sings as a counter tenor for god's sake ! Not a tenor or a baritone (although he can sing baritone for fun sometimes : actually, he and Andreas Scholl are the only 2 CT I ever heard sing also in a baritone register.)
And I'm sorry, but his voice and "répertoire" choices don't sound pop nor commercial to me, unless you think Monteverdi or some obscure Renaissance composers are a sure bet for commercial success.
@serenaluce
Sorry but I do make the difference between pop singing and classical singing, contrary to what you think. But we're going to stop there because it's useless and we clearly don't speak about the same thing. I make a difference between the technique and the intrinsic quality of a voice. There are just things training and technique can't change in a voice, and that's what make them unique. If you think his voice is flat, fine. But stop saying he's untrained !
SUBLIME!
"A better singing partner", really !! And who would that be ?
You want the name of a really FASHIONABLE singer : try Justin Bieber.
As for Jarousski, that's not the word I would have chosen : "good", even "excellent" would be more appropriate. I never ceased to be amazed by the way some people can dismiss someone just like that !
Oh, and by the way, I don't think Véronique Gens needs to sing with him for getting promotion.
And if she was after that, she would have sing with Natalie Dessay.
sssilence.......leave your emotions free ... mind at home
Oui la version Jacobs-Hennig demeure pour moi inégalée.
Alors écoutez la version récente dirigée par René Jacobs avec Sophie Karthäuser et Christophe DUMAUX. L'équilibre des voix ( et des ornements ) est parfait car c'est une voix de contre-ténor au timbre riche en harmoniques, doté d'un juste vibrato et avec un grave sonore ( ce qui n'est pas le cas du si médiatisé Philippe Jarouski au timbre monochrome blanc et droit ).
Che accoppiata formidabile!!!!
@sobelou I just saw most of Pergolesi's Stabat Mater with a good soprano and Vivica Genaux On YT. It was fantastic! Much better than this one. It was, however, a big production compared to this one. It also got a fabulous reception from the audience who finally compelled an encore after numerous leavings and returnings by the conductor and the singers. One difference seemed to be that the other that one was better rehearsed. Another was that the soprano and Vivica were much better balanced.
@serenaluce - you know, a couple of weeks ago I ran into someone who works with Robert Eisenstein, founder of the Folger Consort. According to her, Eisenstein not only has worked with Jaroussky, but raved about his musicianship, acting skill, and professionalism. And guess what? HE WASN'T WEARING A BODY MIKE. At all. Not in rehearsal, not in performance. You and Arpeggio (who writes just like you) are wrong.
No one says you have to like him, but slandering him is a bit much.
Yo tambien comparto la opinion de que esto no es el Stabat Mater de Pergolesi
I share the opinion that this is not Pergolesi´s Stabat Mater
Do you have the links I can check out. I can't easily find them on YT.
c.
The people who're sitting in those programs seem always so uninterested.. It's like they don't 'hear' the beauty!
Excelso
C'est le dernier tercet et le "Amen" final
À mon avis c'est plus touchant la version de Barbara Bonney et Andreas Scholl mais le duo de Gens-Jaroussky est aussi magnifique
OK, See You Next Tuesday !
Ma lei è tremendamente calante!!!
So much crankiness always on early and classical music videos. Something that some early and classical fans don't like, what they consider to be pop-like, is sliding between notes (portamento).
Jaroussky & Gens excellent! What a pity the orchestra is not at the same level....
@serenaluce
I "poopoo" on nobody ! Did I ever say I don't like like Spano ? In fact I quite like his voice, but I had never heard of him before. But unlike you, I will never say I'm a FAN, of ANYONE ! Even people I like a lot, because FAN means fanatic, and fanatism leads to a lot of things, and generally bad ones.
I'm still waiting the clear explanation for why you qualify PJ a "pop commercial" singer by the way. I might be dumb because I just don't get it.
la meilleure version est celle de JACOBS et HENNIG mais celle ci est dans un autre style
merveilleusement réunssie.
mise en scène très sobre, certes (c'est la lélé!)
MAIS
musique et voix sublimes
music and voices wonderful
die Musik und die Stimme sind wunderschön
musica e voci sublimi..........................................
Beautiful voices really... but the Orchestra isn't doing them justice. To me they sound like a second-rate amateur Orchestra. Those first 50 seconds were hard on my ears at least.
The truth comes out. Arpeggio1358 IS Serenaluce. You can tell by the... well, you can tell.
I've seen PJ in live in " il sant alessio" , it was beautiful.And his voice wasn't amplified.He doesn't need it.But Veronique Gens and Jarroussky ' voices don't fit together i think, that's why this version of stabat mater isn't very good.
You give just speculative hypothesis because never nor Pergolesi or Vivaldi indicated the voice register on the sheets but sometimes the name of a performer. The choice of the register is given by the uses of the time. The fact Vivaldi was musical master at the girl orphanage "Ospedale della Pietà" didn't mean any castrato never sang his music because most of his works were performed for Venetian nobility by their private musicians. Musical abilities were only possible in the educated classes
Dans les contre-ténors on distingue le contre-ténor aigü, aussi appelé sopraniste. Mais le sopraniste n'a rien à voir avec la soprano, voix féminine et encore moins avec le castrat, qui lui n'existe pus.
Lesne est contre-ténor avec une tessiture d'alto.
Après on dit que l'altiste est baryton/basse en voix de poitrine, et le sopraniste plutôt ténor. Mais cela dépend aussi du travail de sa voix de poitrine.
@tobiassegura Yes, you're absolutely right and I know it well for a long time. Actually, there is no real castrato singer anymore. They have been replaced by counter tenors and fortunately all of them have balls.
I just remenbered that in the catholic tradition of Pergolesi times, women were forbidden to sing in churches and only male singers were allowed to do. Sopranos were either children or Castratos. So, today counter tenors would have to sing the Castratos part instead of women
... This was performed on Christmas day? Inaproppriate choice on the organizer's part.
>.>
Prueba a Sphera AntiQva con Paloma Friedhoff. eso es miel pura
Jaroussky is not a countertenor, he is a sopranist !! If you want to listen to a countertenor, make a click on Gérard Lesne or René Jacobs.
@serenaluce
You say you don't despise him but call him a "virus", with a "flat (!?)" "untrained" falsetto.
Well, I really don't know how to namel it but despise !
Just because you think his voice is "flat"(compared to what ?) doesn't make him a pop singer, and he certainly isn't untrained ! I get that you're "a huge fan" of Spano (yes, I had a look at your chanel) but that's not a reason for disrespect. Fortunately, each singer has a different voice, otherwise music would be really boring.
LATIN
Stabat mater dolorosa
Juxta crucem lacrymosa
Dum pendebat Filius.
Cujus animam gementem
Contristatem et dolentes
Pertransivit gladius.
O quam tristis et afflicta
Fuit illa benedicta
Mater unigeniti.
Quae morebat et dolebat
et tremebat cum videbat
Nati poenas inclyti.
Quis est homo qui non fleret
Christi Matrem si videret
In tanto supplicio?
Quis posset non contristari
Piam Matrem contemplari
Dolentem cum Filio?
Pro peccatis suae gentis
Vidit Jesum in tormentis
Et flagellis subditum.
Vidit suum dulcem natum
Morientem desolatum,
Dum emisit spiritum.
Eia Mater fons amoris,
Me sentire vim doloris
Fac ut tecum lugeam.
Fac ut ardeat cor meum,
In amando Christum Deum
Ut sibi complaceam.
Sancta Mater istud agas
Crucifixi fige plagas
Corde meo valide.
Tui nati vulnerati
Jam dignati pro me pati
Poenas mecum divide.
Fac me vere tecum flere
Crucifixo condolere
Donec ego vixero.
Juxta crucem tecum stare
Te libenter sociare
In planctu desidero.
Virgo, virginum praeclara
Mihi jam non sis amara
Fac me tecum plangere.
Virgo, virginum praeclara
Mihi jam non sis amara
Fac me tecum plangere.
Fac ut portem Christi mortem
Passionis ejus sortem
Et plagas recolere.
Fac me plagis vulnerari
Cruce hac inebriari
Ob amorem Filii.
Inflammatus et accensus
Per te Virgo sim defensus
In die judicii.
Fac me Cruce custodiri
Morte Christi praemuniri
Confoveri gratia
Quando corpus morietur
Fac ut animae donetur
Paradisi gloria. Amen
ENGLISH
The mother stood sorrowing
by the cross, weeping
while her Son hung there;
Whose soul, lamenting,
sorrowing and grieving,
has been pierced by the sword.
O how sad and afflicted
was that blessed
Mother of her only-begotten Son.
Who wept and grieved
and trembled to behold
the torment of her glorious child.
What man would not weep
if he saw the Mother of Christ
in such torment?
Who could not be sorrowful
to behold the pious mother
grieving with her Son?
For the sins of His people
she saw Jesus in torment
and subjected to the whip.
She saw her sweet Son
dying, forsaken,
as He gave up the spirit.
Ah Mother, fount of love,
let me feel the force of grief,
that I may grieve with you.
Make my heart burn
with the love of Christ, the God,
that I may be pleasing to Him.
Holy Mother, bring this to pass,
transfix the wounds of Him who is crucified
firmly onto my heart.
Of your wounded Son,
who deigns to suffer for my sake,
let me share the pains.
Make me truly weep with you,
grieving with Him who is crucified
so that I may live.
To stand by the cross with you,
to be freely joined with you
in lamentation, I desire.
Virgin of virgins, resplendent,
do not now be harsh towards me,
let me weep with you.
Virgin of virgins, resplendent,
do not now be harsh towards me,
let me weep with you.
Let me carry Christ's death,
the destiny of his passion,
and meditate upon his wounds.
Let me suffer the wounds
of that cross, steeped
in love of your Son.
Fired and excited
by you, O Virgin, let me be defended
on the day of judgement.
Let me be shielded by the cross,
protected by Christ's death,
cherished by grace.
When my body dies,
let my soul be given
the glory of paradise. Amen.
Me encanta que Dessay no aplaude ni un poco.
@serenaluce Yikes!! Why do you have to yell? Be serene, Serena!!. I don't have a clue of how many videos PJ has on You Tube, but almost every time I stumble upon one, there you are, intensely personal (yes, personal, several times you have made derogatory comments about his manhood). If you despise him so, or have such low artistic view of him, why do you waste your time on him?
@arpeggio1358 For me, power is not a major quality for singing. Emotion, musicality are more important, maybe like many people who like PJ. I don't feel like requiring a diploma of any kind to enjoy music, all kinds of musics, without dogmatism or elitism. I can feel so depressed listening to Chostakovitch, but i can't play piano. Wagner is not PJ's favourite music, he often sings in churches with small baroque ochestras, he seldom has to overflow a choir of 40 or more singers. Enjoy music.
it's pergolese in French :)
effectivement, j'avais confondu soprano et sopraniste. De fait, le point était surtout que Jaroussky est bien un contre-ténor.
@serenaluce - interesting, that you go berserk about someone noticing the strange similarity between your writing style and Arpeggio's, yet you go around spreading lies about a singer because you don't like him. Cast out the plank in your own eye before spouting off next time, okay?
And oh, since you seem obsessed with "pop countertenors," perhaps you should check out some Rush videos since Geddy Lee is, you know, a REAL pop countertenor.
c'est dommage , ils ne chantent pas vraiment ensemble, et malgré leur talent, la musique ne prend pas et il n'y a pas de poésie . ça arrive, même avec les meilleurs artistes .
En effet Véronique Gens est parfaite mais j'ai comme une hésitation concernant PJ que j'aime bien par ailleur mais là c'est comme ..... bizzare.....!
@arpeggio1358 I am assuming that all of the singing with microphone is not recorded, that you were there in person and have good reason to be sure that it was not being recorded for any purpose. You and serenaluce post over, and over, and over again on this same thread insulting Jaroussky and pushing your Cencic etc. Surely no one is paying you for this crazy drivel, but what an obsession... and what mean spiritedness and poor manners.