Thanks a ton for this! I have a FX loop and I was following the directions at first. I was using the guitar in and out for my dirt chain in front of my amp, and the dec in and out for my FX loop. Hooked up that way, I had to turn the threshold over too much to kill all the noise, and it was killing my sustain big time as well. This video made me think to try hooking it up the same way, only in my FX loop because I also get noise from boosting frequencies with my EQ unit in there. I did the same thing using my send into the guitar in, guitar out into my EQ unit going into the rest of my modulation chain, then out of there back to dec in, and dec out into the return. It still kills all the noise from my dirt chain in front of the amp without even touching it, and it kills the noise from my EQ unit even being placed before it. But the best part is, I don't have to turn the threshold as high to kill the noise now, and it's retaining all the sustain! And it's much tidier on the board this way. Nothing but W's thanks to this video! 🤘
I plan on purchasing this in the near future. Not saying you're wrong but I was thinking maybe there's a different way to route your cables? I'm thinking..... Guitar -> Decimator -> rest of your pedals -> into the amp -> then effects loop send to decimator in -> decimator out to effects return. The reason I bring this up because I thought it was a way to use the pedal before and after the preamp. If you have an effects loop, try this and make another video? I'm super curious to hear the difference. Either way. Thanks for posting the vid!
This is correct. If you have a series effects loop you can set it up this way. The circuit of the guitar in/out jacks is the detector circuit. It detects when a signal is coming from the guitar. It is best to place this as early in the chain as possible. The circuit with the Dec in/out jacks is the suppression circuit. You want this after anything noisy (preamp, EQ, compressors) but before any time-based effects (delays, reverbs, flanger, etc).
Yep this is how I wired it for a few years and it worded wonderfully. You are right in case you have an FxLoop that's how you would wire it and that's how it is explained in the UserGuide. But there is nothing written for the case you have NOT an FxLoop. But Kyle right here figured it out. I'm ashamed beacause I tried so many diffrent way to wire it directly to the amp but always failed. With no FxLoop you need to wire it like Kyle Coppola explains in his video.
I confirm this set up. Exactly the same one I was using with my former Boss NS-2 but now with better results at least in my case. I use a Peavey 6505MH boosted with a Maxon 808. Guitar ESP Eclipse with actives EMG’s
I know im late but i was frustrated with my Decimator g string II pedal. I had it sitting on the shelf for two years. I tried it again cause the instructions suck. And wow! this pedal does what it says it does. Im glad i didn't sell it. Now my MXR smartgate is on the shelf. Thanks for the video upload.
Thank you so much for posting this!! I also struggled setting it up & was wondering if the pedal was broken. Your instructions were straightforward and helped me accomplish my set up.
Thank you so much !!! I coulmd not find the simple diagram in internet to explain that. The manual I have is not clear at all. I wired it as per your tuto and it's perfect !!! Tks !
You should run the output of the last drive pedal (the BB pre-amp in this case) to the Decimator in, and then the Decimator out to the phaser input, then the phaser out to the delay and the delay out to the amp input. This way the Decimator won't cut off any delay repeats as they trail out. It's the drive/gain pedals that raise the noise levels, so those are the ones that should be going to the Decimator, and not the modulation and time-based FX.
It has two circuits, noise circuit for guitar and amp, high gain effects and another without. Guitar, amp and high gain effects run through one, delays and other clean effects through the other and they all go through the effects loop. There is more then one way to set it up. But that’s the recommended method. The reason is you don’t want harmonics like delay and reverb to cut out, they should continue to ring out and not be cut off by the suppressor. Some guy on TH-cam had a great diagram which is what I used.
"Kill your SATURATION!" Love it! Honestly I've been thinking about getting one of these. I have a David Bray modded Marshall JTM 45 that I run a volume boost and E.Q. pedal. Sounds awesome except the noise from both the amp and e.q. Thanks for the demo;-)))
I just got one of these and I think I did the same thing you did on initial set up. I assumed that the Deci Out / In was the loop for the pedal which would be the most logical thing. I ended up messing around with the wiring until it worked.
Ahhhh thanks man, lately I was struggling to get this thing to work on my latest amp I bought two weeks ago, no FxLoop on it. Your an ACE!!! I'm going to try after work. Buy the way you had a nice deal if you paid 80$ I ve paid mine over 150$ new in store. I wasn't using it lately (got me an AmpegV5) and like I said couldn't get it to work on it. Thanks Bro, I'll let you know.
Having just talked to the ISP Tech his comments were to setup like this, connect your GUITAR to the GUITAR-IN. GUITAR-OUT place boost & gain type pedals to the AMP. DEC-IN goes directly to the AMP effect loop SEND. Your DELAY, CHORUS REVERB TYPE are connected in the effects loops RETURN to the DEC-OUT. This way there shouldn't be any volume change from clean to distortion. Tech mentioned, if any problems call them.
I have a Decimator II G String on my pedalboard that works perfectly, but mine is hooked up a little differently......here is how I do it......My pedalboard has 2 rows of pedals. The bottom row is my distortion/fuzz/overdrive type pedals, and the upper row is my modulation type pedals. I run the row of distortion type pedals in a loop between "Dec out" and "Dec in" and the cable from "Guitar out" goes to the first pedal in the row of modulation pedals.....the last pedal in this row has a cable going to the amp. In this configuration the G String only affects the pedals in the loop. If you want to have all pedals affected by the G String, put all the pedals in the loop between "Dec out" and "Dec in" and run a cable from guitar out to the amp.
Hey mate I know old vid but sounding like ground hum noise. An ebtech hum eliminator would get rid of most of that noise and then the isp would really shine on top.
So you would send the “guitar out” to the amp in if your amp has an effects loop. And right now you’re cutting off your delay trails. Try running this like this- Guitar > Decimator guitar in > Decimator guitar out > octave fuzz > bb preamp > phase 90 > amp input > amp fx loop send > Decimator dec in > Decimator dec out > carbon copy delay > amp fx loop return
man! i've bought this thing new 2 days ago, and you just saved me from sending it back to the shop. i thought mine was malfunctioning and i would have made myself a total jackass for asking for a replacement. my practiseamo doesn't have an effectsloop, so i tried to hook this thing in my signalchain after the drive/dist pedal. had it like this: guitar->boss os2->decimator "guitar in" and then hook the guitar out to my amps input and it didn't work at all. i thought the other cirquit was exclusively for use in effectsloops.
I followed this video,my Decimator 2 G string works and kills the noise in my pedalboard chain,however I found it also to kill my modulation pedals like the delay and reverb whenever the decimator is engaged together with my dirt pedals, is this normal? or is there any other way to set it up? thanks
Hello mr coppola, great video,... i want to ask if i have a pre-amp/amp simulator which can also functioned as a DI to the mixer like a sansamp (character series) on my chain,...will that setting effect my sansamp ability to connect directly to the mixer?,....
Hey Kyle, I noticed you have a delay in the loop as well. How is that effected by the decimator always on? I had a look on the ISP FaQs, they recommended delays and reverbs be placed on the out to Amp segment, not within the Decimator loop.
OMG thank you, Why the hell can there not be a video made by a company or effects specialist to show us how easy it can be if you just know what the hell to do. Jeeeezzz
Hey, great video. Can't seem to find the answer I need so maybe you can help. I have a pedal board and do not use any effect loop stuff on the mesa cab. what order is best to have these all in starting from the guitar? I have a boss tuner pedal, morley wah pedal, boss chorus pedal, isp decimator 2 and boss delay pedal. Also the mesa foot switch for the head which I believe means nothing here as it is not in the chain, rather just going right to the head. So, what order would give me the best un-obstructed sound with that Decimator in there? And what if I add a flanger and or compression, where would they need to be in the chain? Thanks
Thanks man. So I usually do not run through my effects loop either, as I just prefer the way my pedals sounds right in the front. So to your first question, where to put the decimator- I have mine last in the chain, as it cuts out the noise from all of my pedals. The most common way to set up your pedals is starting through your tuner - wah - distortion/overdrive - and modulation effects like chorus/flanger/delay. However, you can run your chain however you like, as it will sound slightly different based on the combination you use. I hope this helps! but for sure put the decimator at the end of the chain.
Hey there, Kyle! I got myself that ISP Dec. almost a year ago, and still can't get it to work properly. Either it doesn't kill any noise, or it totally kills everything. Since I can't use my amp at the moment, I'm using a Digitech Trio+ Band Creator + Looper with headphones as an "amp", with all my effects pedals going through its "FX In/Out". Do you have any idea where in the chain I can put the Decimator? The instructions being as bad as they are, they're not helping at all... Thank you in adavance! By the way, I see you own the same Fender Jaguar Modern Player as I! Very good cheap Fender, this one is! ;)
Decimator or G string like in the video? - The guy in the video is correct Guitar->"GUITAR IN"->"GUITAR OUT"->(maybe Wah->Phase)->overdrive/distortion->"DEC IN"->"DEC OUT"->Amp(then modulation like delays in amp fx loop). I also tried to do ->overdrive/distortion->Amp->FX Send->"DEC IN"->"DEC OUT"->Delays/other stuff... but then some really really shit is going on - even when the decimator is off - the regular noise starts whistling and when the phase is on - the amp goes insane with the phase.
Connecting the ISP Decimator II G String to the Boss ES-8. My set up is: Gibson Les Paul Custom Marshall JVM410H Boss ES-8 Effects Switching System connected using the “Four Cable Method” to the JVM input and FX Loop. The sequence is: Guitar → ES-8 input → Compressor → Pickup Booster → Overdrive → Distortion → ES-8 Send → Amp Input → ES-8 Volume Loop → Reverb → Chorus → Delay → ES-8 OUT1/L → Amp Return → Amp Send → ES-8 RTN Vol. In a first instance, I connected the Decimator II G String between the guitar and the ES-8 input in a simple method of Guitar → ISP Guitar IN → ISP Guitar OUT → ES-8 input without success. The second attempt was Guitar → ISP Guitar IN → ES-8 Input → ES-8 Send → DEC IN → DEC OUT → Amp Input without success. The third attempt I connected the Guitar to the ES-8 Input → ES-8 Send → ISP Guitar IN → ISP guitar OUT → ES-8 RTN → ES-8 Volume Loop → ES-8 OUT1/L → Amp Return → Amp Send → ISP DEC IN → ISP DEC OUT → ES-8 RTN Vol without success. My ISP came with a battery inside which I removed and connected the device to one of my T-Rex along with other pedals. The light goes red when switched ON but there is no noise change at all between ISP ON and OFF. I could not find any information related to connecting the Decimator and the Boss ES-8. Are you able to see what could possibly be wrong?
The JVM amps have a parallel loop, which is very big part of the problem. It basically mixes in the effects signal from the loop but also sends through some dry signal. The dry signal will therefore not go through the noise suppressor circuit. I am not sure if you can set the loop to 100% wet but if you can then try that. Otherwise the only way it would work in the loop would be to convert your JVM's loop to a series loop. Apparently this is quite common. I'm not sure how the ES-8 works but basically you want as clean as possible a signal into the GUITAR IN jack. Then you go through all of your dirty effects (including those in your loop), then into the DEC IN input, then connect DEC OUT to any time-based effects (e.g. delay) and then into the loop return. This only works if you convert the amp's loop to series. If you have it in parallel you can still use the pedal but you need to have everything in front of the amp and then DEC OUT into the amp input. You can still put the delay etc into your amp's loop.
Moshe Alvarez - yeah, i currently have a volume pedal running through my effects loop so i can crank my up amp, but keep the volume suitable for my neighbors.
Can you tell me what the difference is between the Decimator G String and the Decimator G String II? I know that I need to get the G String because I want to be able to go from my clean channel to dirty channel without messing with the knobs on the Decimator pedal. And the G String will sense the clean tone or something like that and adjust itself accordingly. But should I get the first generation G String or the second generation G String II?
chad allen I think the second generation will be best in your case since ISP addresed the slight issues the first generation Decimator had. Decimator II Gstring also has a more reactive gate response.
Yeah will this will work (sort of) if you have a parallel effects loop or no effects loop. This is how you set it up if you have a series effects loop (e.g., a Peavey 5150/6505): guitar -> (tuner) -> guitar in jack on g-string -> guitar out jack on g-string -> (boosts / overdrives / compressors) -> amp input -> effects loop send -> (EQ pedal) -> dec in jack on g-string -> dec out jack on g-string -> (flanger, chorus, delay, reverb) -> effects loop return. I have been using this setup on my Peavey for years with no problems. This is the optimum setup. Apparently people with parallel loops (the type with a level control, e.g., some Marshalls) have a lot of issues with using it in the loop. if you have no loop or your loop is junk wire it up ahead of the amp as in this video, although I wouldn't include time-based effects in its loop
Yeah my Mesa Boogie didnt like it through the Loop. I currently have a volume pedal running trough the loop so I can crank up the master volume to get things "breathing" but use the volume to keep the overall sound down without losing the tone.
Worked flawless on my loop. But the wiring is a mess and the user guide a joke. They explain more on how to connenct two decimator then how to connect it on one amp. Who is running two G-string Decimator when you know that the price can reach over 200$ for one pedal.
For anyone wondering I’ve been doing a FUCK ton of research on this pedal, mainly because my impulsive ass bought the son of a bitch brand new with no recollection of my bills on life. Sue me. Anyways, this pedal is supposed to be used for your FX LOOP the reason is, is because once you’re running through the FX loop you’re now cancelling out all noise through pre amp and through your high gain. This set up is only cancelling his high gain frequencies but if he would set it up through the FX loop there would be no noise what so ever. If you don’t have and FX loop or won’t use the FX loop then just buy the regulars Decimator! Hope this helps
So you could do guitar in > guitar out > gain effects > dec in > dec out > modulation effects > amp. Sounds weird but its just like the fx send is guitar out, the send return is dec in, and the output is dec out. Lol
I have the same set up in my pedalboard chain, however, whenever my distortion, delay,reverb and decimator are all engaged, the delay and reverb is affected as if it is non existent in the mix..HELP!
i really think that this much noise is just not normal at all. first of all i really would set up the decimator within the amp fx loop. your alternate setting is legit and a possible option stated by the company itself. but fx loop would be my first choice. and then you shoudl really check your power supply, make a test without a daisy chain and isolated connections. i just can't believe that there isn't something wrong and that noise is just legit.
Hey man. I found a setup thats better. Guitar in, all your noisy shit, and into the gtr in on the decimator. Gtr out to the amp. Loop send to the send on the amp. Loop return out of the amp to the output of your delays reverbs, boost, etc. Then from the imput of these to the return of the decimator.
Or, you can just plug the last pedal on your chain into the Guitar In, then run a patch cable from the Guitar Out to the Decimator In. I run it that way because I have a bitch of a fuzz pedal that only loves being first in the chain.
Thanks a ton for this!
I have a FX loop and I was following the directions at first.
I was using the guitar in and out for my dirt chain in front of my amp, and the dec in and out for my FX loop.
Hooked up that way, I had to turn the threshold over too much to kill all the noise, and it was killing my sustain big time as well.
This video made me think to try hooking it up the same way, only in my FX loop because I also get noise from boosting frequencies with my EQ unit in there.
I did the same thing using my send into the guitar in, guitar out into my EQ unit going into the rest of my modulation chain, then out of there back to dec in, and dec out into the return.
It still kills all the noise from my dirt chain in front of the amp without even touching it, and it kills the noise from my EQ unit even being placed before it.
But the best part is, I don't have to turn the threshold as high to kill the noise now, and it's retaining all the sustain!
And it's much tidier on the board this way.
Nothing but W's thanks to this video! 🤘
Super helpful. Thank you! Picked up the Demon Fx version to replace a dead Hush pedal. Never done the four cord thing. Thanks again.
I plan on purchasing this in the near future. Not saying you're wrong but I was thinking maybe there's a different way to route your cables? I'm thinking.....
Guitar -> Decimator -> rest of your pedals -> into the amp -> then effects loop send to decimator in -> decimator out to effects return.
The reason I bring this up because I thought it was a way to use the pedal before and after the preamp. If you have an effects loop, try this and make another video? I'm super curious to hear the difference.
Either way. Thanks for posting the vid!
I appreciate the input Harvey! I'll have to try your way out and let you know how it works out. Thanks again
This is correct. If you have a series effects loop you can set it up this way. The circuit of the guitar in/out jacks is the detector circuit. It detects when a signal is coming from the guitar. It is best to place this as early in the chain as possible. The circuit with the Dec in/out jacks is the suppression circuit. You want this after anything noisy (preamp, EQ, compressors) but before any time-based effects (delays, reverbs, flanger, etc).
Yep this is how I wired it for a few years and it worded wonderfully. You are right in case you have an FxLoop that's how you would wire it and that's how it is explained in the UserGuide. But there is nothing written for the case you have NOT an FxLoop. But Kyle right here figured it out. I'm ashamed beacause I tried so many diffrent way to wire it directly to the amp but always failed. With no FxLoop you need to wire it like Kyle Coppola explains in his video.
I confirm this set up. Exactly the same one I was using with my former Boss NS-2 but now with better results at least in my case. I use a Peavey 6505MH boosted with a Maxon 808. Guitar ESP Eclipse with actives EMG’s
👍great tuttorial video bruh👌...decimator g string just working with d 4 cable method....🤟keep on rockin,,
Dude, thank you so much... I have been struggling for 2 days trying to figure this out until I saw this video. Awesome!!
I just got mine and I’ve been fucking with it for hours lol. Still couldn’t get it right til now 🤘
I know im late but i was frustrated with my Decimator g string II pedal. I had it sitting on the shelf for two years. I tried it again cause the instructions suck. And wow! this pedal does what it says it does. Im glad i didn't sell it. Now my MXR smartgate is on the shelf. Thanks for the video upload.
Thank you so much for posting this!! I also struggled setting it up & was wondering if the pedal was broken. Your instructions were straightforward and helped me accomplish my set up.
Just picked up this pedal and I’ve been searching TH-cam for a decent way to sell it up. thanks for making it so simple saves a lot of shit
Thank you so much !!! I coulmd not find the simple diagram in internet to explain that. The manual I have is not clear at all. I wired it as per your tuto and it's perfect !!! Tks !
Thanks man! I received mine today and followed the instructions in the box. The plug is not logical. I thought it was broken but now it works well.
Thanks dude you saved my life.
Thank you so much. I kept on scratching my head figuring out the directions. You are right they don’t make sense.
You should run the output of the last drive pedal (the BB pre-amp in this case) to the Decimator in, and then the Decimator out to the phaser input, then the phaser out to the delay and the delay out to the amp input. This way the Decimator won't cut off any delay repeats as they trail out. It's the drive/gain pedals that raise the noise levels, so those are the ones that should be going to the Decimator, and not the modulation and time-based FX.
Exactly.
It has two circuits, noise circuit for guitar and amp, high gain effects and another without. Guitar, amp and high gain effects run through one, delays and other clean effects through the other and they all go through the effects loop. There is more then one way to set it up. But that’s the recommended method. The reason is you don’t want harmonics like delay and reverb to cut out, they should continue to ring out and not be cut off by the suppressor. Some guy on TH-cam had a great diagram which is what I used.
"Kill your SATURATION!" Love it! Honestly I've been thinking about getting one of these. I have a David Bray modded Marshall JTM 45 that I run a volume boost and E.Q. pedal. Sounds awesome except the noise from both the amp and e.q. Thanks for the demo;-)))
Thanks bro, u saved my day, the original manual is a piece of rubbish
I just got one of these and I think I did the same thing you did on initial set up. I assumed that the Deci Out / In was the loop for the pedal which would be the most logical thing. I ended up messing around with the wiring until it worked.
Yeah man, the instructions def suck. Glad you got it working!
Same here lol, but when it works it works like heaven
Nice Jake's bar 🍸 👌 👍 t shirt also have you tried the ISP Technologies DECI-MATE G Decimator Noise Reduction micro???
Ahhhh thanks man, lately I was struggling to get this thing to work on my latest amp I bought two weeks ago, no FxLoop on it. Your an ACE!!! I'm going to try after work. Buy the way you had a nice deal if you paid 80$ I ve paid mine over 150$ new in store. I wasn't using it lately (got me an AmpegV5) and like I said couldn't get it to work on it. Thanks Bro, I'll let you know.
It does have an effects loop. It’s just labeled different
Having just talked to the ISP Tech his comments were to setup like this, connect your GUITAR to the GUITAR-IN. GUITAR-OUT place boost & gain type pedals to the AMP. DEC-IN goes directly to the AMP effect loop SEND. Your DELAY, CHORUS REVERB TYPE are connected in the effects loops RETURN to the DEC-OUT. This way there shouldn't be any volume change from clean to distortion. Tech mentioned, if any problems call them.
Yeah those instructions were absolute garbage. Thanks for this vid bro 🙏🙌🏻
I have a Decimator II G String on my pedalboard that works perfectly, but mine is hooked up a little differently......here is how I do it......My pedalboard has 2 rows of pedals. The bottom row is my distortion/fuzz/overdrive type pedals, and the upper row is my modulation type pedals. I run the row of distortion type pedals in a loop between "Dec out" and "Dec in" and the cable from "Guitar out" goes to the first pedal in the row of modulation pedals.....the last pedal in this row has a cable going to the amp. In this configuration the G String only affects the pedals in the loop. If you want to have all pedals affected by the G String, put all the pedals in the loop between "Dec out" and "Dec in" and run a cable from guitar out to the amp.
That`s exactly the same way I set mine up....works well!
Hey mate I know old vid but sounding like ground hum noise. An ebtech hum eliminator would get rid of most of that noise and then the isp would really shine on top.
So you would send the “guitar out” to the amp in if your amp has an effects loop. And right now you’re cutting off your delay trails. Try running this like this- Guitar > Decimator guitar in > Decimator guitar out > octave fuzz > bb preamp > phase 90 > amp input > amp fx loop send > Decimator dec in > Decimator dec out > carbon copy delay > amp fx loop return
man! i've bought this thing new 2 days ago, and you just saved me from sending it back to the shop. i thought mine was malfunctioning and i would have made myself a total jackass for asking for a replacement. my practiseamo doesn't have an effectsloop, so i tried to hook this thing in my signalchain after the drive/dist pedal. had it like this: guitar->boss os2->decimator "guitar in" and then hook the guitar out to my amps input and it didn't work at all. i thought the other cirquit was exclusively for use in effectsloops.
shield your guitar. you will reduce 90% of noise and use decimator at minimal. it will increase the sustain and much less noise to reduce
What does it mean to "shield your guitar"?
@@anthonyarcuri675 this is one example
th-cam.com/video/9nNV5i5jx1Q/w-d-xo.html
I followed this video,my Decimator 2 G string works and kills the noise in my pedalboard chain,however I found it also to kill my modulation pedals like the delay and reverb whenever the decimator is engaged together with my dirt pedals, is this normal? or is there any other way to set it up? thanks
Hello mr coppola, great video,... i want to ask if i have a pre-amp/amp simulator which can also functioned as a DI to the mixer like a sansamp (character series) on my chain,...will that setting effect my sansamp ability to connect directly to the mixer?,....
Hey Kyle, I noticed you have a delay in the loop as well. How is that effected by the decimator always on? I had a look on the ISP FaQs, they recommended delays and reverbs be placed on the out to Amp segment, not within the Decimator loop.
hi sir.. what power supply did you using on your pedalboard?
OMG thank you, Why the hell can there not be a video made by a company or effects specialist to show us how easy it can be if you just know what the hell to do. Jeeeezzz
Hey, great video. Can't seem to find the answer I need so maybe you can help. I have a pedal board and do not use any effect loop stuff on the mesa cab. what order is best to have these all in starting from the guitar? I have a boss tuner pedal, morley wah pedal, boss chorus pedal, isp decimator 2 and boss delay pedal. Also the mesa foot switch for the head which I believe means nothing here as it is not in the chain, rather just going right to the head. So, what order would give me the best un-obstructed sound with that Decimator in there? And what if I add a flanger and or compression, where would they need to be in the chain? Thanks
Thanks man. So I usually do not run through my effects loop either, as I just prefer the way my pedals sounds right in the front. So to your first question, where to put the decimator- I have mine last in the chain, as it cuts out the noise from all of my pedals. The most common way to set up your pedals is starting through your tuner - wah - distortion/overdrive - and modulation effects like chorus/flanger/delay. However, you can run your chain however you like, as it will sound slightly different based on the combination you use. I hope this helps! but for sure put the decimator at the end of the chain.
Hey there, Kyle!
I got myself that ISP Dec. almost a year ago, and still can't get it to work properly.
Either it doesn't kill any noise, or it totally kills everything.
Since I can't use my amp at the moment, I'm using a Digitech Trio+ Band Creator + Looper with headphones as an "amp", with all my effects pedals going through its "FX In/Out".
Do you have any idea where in the chain I can put the Decimator?
The instructions being as bad as they are, they're not helping at all...
Thank you in adavance!
By the way, I see you own the same Fender Jaguar Modern Player as I!
Very good cheap Fender, this one is! ;)
Decimator or G string like in the video? - The guy in the video is correct Guitar->"GUITAR IN"->"GUITAR OUT"->(maybe Wah->Phase)->overdrive/distortion->"DEC IN"->"DEC OUT"->Amp(then modulation like delays in amp fx loop). I also tried to do ->overdrive/distortion->Amp->FX Send->"DEC IN"->"DEC OUT"->Delays/other stuff... but then some really really shit is going on - even when the decimator is off - the regular noise starts whistling and when the phase is on - the amp goes insane with the phase.
Connecting the ISP Decimator II G String to the Boss ES-8.
My set up is:
Gibson Les Paul Custom
Marshall JVM410H
Boss ES-8 Effects Switching System connected using the “Four Cable Method” to the JVM input and FX Loop.
The sequence is:
Guitar → ES-8 input → Compressor → Pickup Booster → Overdrive → Distortion → ES-8 Send → Amp Input → ES-8 Volume Loop → Reverb → Chorus → Delay → ES-8 OUT1/L → Amp Return → Amp Send → ES-8 RTN Vol.
In a first instance, I connected the Decimator II G String between the guitar and the ES-8 input in a simple method of Guitar → ISP Guitar IN → ISP Guitar OUT → ES-8 input without success.
The second attempt was Guitar → ISP Guitar IN → ES-8 Input → ES-8 Send → DEC IN → DEC OUT → Amp Input without success.
The third attempt I connected the Guitar to the ES-8 Input → ES-8 Send → ISP Guitar IN → ISP guitar OUT → ES-8 RTN → ES-8 Volume Loop → ES-8 OUT1/L → Amp Return → Amp Send → ISP DEC IN → ISP DEC OUT → ES-8 RTN Vol without success.
My ISP came with a battery inside which I removed and connected the device to one of my T-Rex along with other pedals. The light goes red when switched ON but there is no noise change at all between ISP ON and OFF.
I could not find any information related to connecting the Decimator and the Boss ES-8.
Are you able to see what could possibly be wrong?
The JVM amps have a parallel loop, which is very big part of the problem. It basically mixes in the effects signal from the loop but also sends through some dry signal. The dry signal will therefore not go through the noise suppressor circuit. I am not sure if you can set the loop to 100% wet but if you can then try that. Otherwise the only way it would work in the loop would be to convert your JVM's loop to a series loop. Apparently this is quite common. I'm not sure how the ES-8 works but basically you want as clean as possible a signal into the GUITAR IN jack. Then you go through all of your dirty effects (including those in your loop), then into the DEC IN input, then connect DEC OUT to any time-based effects (e.g. delay) and then into the loop return. This only works if you convert the amp's loop to series. If you have it in parallel you can still use the pedal but you need to have everything in front of the amp and then DEC OUT into the amp input. You can still put the delay etc into your amp's loop.
Any particular reason you're not running the Dec IN and Dec Out in your amp's effects loop to get rid of all that noise?
Moshe Alvarez - yeah, i currently have a volume pedal running through my effects loop so i can crank my up amp, but keep the volume suitable for my neighbors.
Can you tell me what the difference is between the Decimator G String and the Decimator G String II? I know that I need to get the G String because I want to be able to go from my clean channel to dirty channel without messing with the knobs on the Decimator pedal. And the G String will sense the clean tone or something like that and adjust itself accordingly. But should I get the first generation G String or the second generation G String II?
chad allen I think the second generation will be best in your case since ISP addresed the slight issues the first generation Decimator had. Decimator II Gstring also has a more reactive gate response.
How the hell do you set it up on a 6505? Just bought one and can't figure it to save my life
Did you ever figure it out. I have a 6505 and I just grabbed one myself??
Yeah will this will work (sort of) if you have a parallel effects loop or no effects loop. This is how you set it up if you have a series effects loop (e.g., a Peavey 5150/6505): guitar -> (tuner) -> guitar in jack on g-string -> guitar out jack on g-string -> (boosts / overdrives / compressors) -> amp input -> effects loop send -> (EQ pedal) -> dec in jack on g-string -> dec out jack on g-string -> (flanger, chorus, delay, reverb) -> effects loop return.
I have been using this setup on my Peavey for years with no problems. This is the optimum setup. Apparently people with parallel loops (the type with a level control, e.g., some Marshalls) have a lot of issues with using it in the loop. if you have no loop or your loop is junk wire it up ahead of the amp as in this video, although I wouldn't include time-based effects in its loop
Yeah my Mesa Boogie didnt like it through the Loop. I currently have a volume pedal running trough the loop so I can crank up the master volume to get things "breathing" but use the volume to keep the overall sound down without losing the tone.
Worked flawless on my loop. But the wiring is a mess and the user guide a joke. They explain more on how to connenct two decimator then how to connect it on one amp. Who is running two G-string Decimator when you know that the price can reach over 200$ for one pedal.
For anyone wondering I’ve been doing a FUCK ton of research on this pedal, mainly because my impulsive ass bought the son of a bitch brand new with no recollection of my bills on life. Sue me. Anyways, this pedal is supposed to be used for your FX LOOP the reason is, is because once you’re running through the FX loop you’re now cancelling out all noise through pre amp and through your high gain. This set up is only cancelling his high gain frequencies but if he would set it up through the FX loop there would be no noise what so ever. If you don’t have and FX loop or won’t use the FX loop then just buy the regulars Decimator! Hope this helps
So you could do guitar in > guitar out > gain effects > dec in > dec out > modulation effects > amp. Sounds weird but its just like the fx send is guitar out, the send return is dec in, and the output is dec out. Lol
I have the same set up in my pedalboard chain, however, whenever my distortion, delay,reverb and decimator are all engaged, the delay and reverb is affected as if it is non existent in the mix..HELP!
You have to set the time based effects in the loop after the noise gate
i really think that this much noise is just not normal at all. first of all i really would set up the decimator within the amp fx loop. your alternate setting is legit and a possible option stated by the company itself. but fx loop would be my first choice. and then you shoudl really check your power supply, make a test without a daisy chain and isolated connections. i just can't believe that there isn't something wrong and that noise is just legit.
Do you have diagram of how you set it up?
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Hey man. I found a setup thats better. Guitar in, all your noisy shit, and into the gtr in on the decimator. Gtr out to the amp. Loop send to the send on the amp. Loop return out of the amp to the output of your delays reverbs, boost, etc. Then from the imput of these to the return of the decimator.
Thanks man, I'll have to check this method out as well!
Or, you can just plug the last pedal on your chain into the Guitar In, then run a patch cable from the Guitar Out to the Decimator In.
I run it that way because I have a bitch of a fuzz pedal that only loves being first in the chain.
You failed to use the G string through your guitar amps fx loop which means you didnt use it correctly.
Conexiones no optimas y problemas de fuente de poder. Debes corregir eso antes de realizar el test. Busca alguien que conozca más.
BAD DEMONSTRATION WITH THE ISP DECIMATOR SETUP COS ITS STILL HAVE NOISE, MAN !!