FIVE (5) P-38 Lightnings in the air AT ONCE !!! @ 2013 PLANES OF FAME AIR SHOW

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  • LIGHTNING STRIKES
    Planes of Fame Air Show
    Chino, CA
    Sunday May 5th, 2013
    In this video:
    Watch as FIVE P-38 Lightnings take it to the sky at the Planes of Fame Air Show. There are only seven flyable P-38's in the world today! This is the first time this has happened in over 50 years, and may never happen again.
    P-38's:
    "23 Skidoo"
    "Glacier Girl"
    "Thoughts of Midnight"
    "Tangerine"
    "Honey Bunny"
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  • @louisevittitow1234
    @louisevittitow1234 11 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    what a great plane ,I had the pleasure of flying one all over Europe 1944 and 1945.
    48 fighter sq. 14 fighter group, 10 army air force. i just turned 97 and still think i could fly one. enjoyed the beautiful photography
    Captain Lin vittitow
    vittitow

    • @kdcobra64
      @kdcobra64 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lightning Lady

    • @la_old_salt2241
      @la_old_salt2241 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for your service sir.
      Rob, USNR, 1987-1995

    • @brianheaton5521
      @brianheaton5521 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you sir.. Beautiful plane. I'd take this over a F-22 all day..

    • @jonathanc.gillespie4897
      @jonathanc.gillespie4897 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This gentleman passed away in 2017. RIP and blue skies, sir.

    • @Diax1324
      @Diax1324 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jonathanc.gillespie4897 Incredible that he lived to comment on an HD video of the same type of aircraft.

  • @DavidSmith-xs3or
    @DavidSmith-xs3or 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've never seen that many airworthy Lightnings together, except, of course, in old wartime film. I love them in the old army colors.

    • @shelbyseelbach9568
      @shelbyseelbach9568 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Smith you've still only seen them on film, what's the difference?

  • @jrg7951
    @jrg7951 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    No one under the age of 80 has probably ever seen that many together since the war.

  • @prreith
    @prreith 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ONE '38 at an airshow, a treat, two, pretty sweet, this... a dream. They seem to have the coolest birds at Chino! Thanks for posting

  • @gdub454
    @gdub454 10 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    my absolute fave WWII airplane...man..they were so frikn badass!!..such a beautiful bird..whats interesting is the guy who created the P-38 Lightning..Kelly Johnson..also designed the SR-71 Blackbird...man that guy definitely earned his money and then some...just awesome times a thousand...))

    • @patch5859
      @patch5859 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      gdub454 Amen!!!

  • @TJDOZIER1
    @TJDOZIER1 11 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    There are currently 7 flyable P-38's in the world. 6 in North America and 1 in Europe. Our presentation of 5 flying P-38's at the Planes of Fame Air Show 2013 was the largest gathering of flying P-38's at an airshow since WWII. The Planes of Fame Air Show 2013 DVD will feature onboard video footage from several of these aircraft, plus a special air-to-air version of all 5 flying in formation. The Planes of Fame Air Show 2013 DVD will be available online and in our giftshop in the near future.

    • @scottgolden2766
      @scottgolden2766 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Tom Dozier have they done that again? 5 planes at one air show

    • @swspartanhwk
      @swspartanhwk 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      such beautiful plane hope to one day be able to get a ride in it along with the b-24 which my grandfather flew in during the war

    • @ryanupchurch9683
      @ryanupchurch9683 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      For blessings

  • @DeltaSniperZRR
    @DeltaSniperZRR 9 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Keep them flying, for ever!

  • @YoFool.1506
    @YoFool.1506 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    In my opinion one of the most gorgeous planes of the era, right next to the F6F Hellcat and P-51

  • @AFRetired-jz2gm
    @AFRetired-jz2gm 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually, this isn't the 1st time that 5 P-38s flew together in recent history. In June 2010, there was a gathering of 5 P-38s that flew together at the Mather Field air show near Sacramento, CA. It was great watching those old war birds fly.

  • @cmckenn
    @cmckenn 11 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If memory serves, I believe Glacier Gal is the P-38 they recovered under the ice.

  • @willy5373
    @willy5373 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My favorite flying machine of all time is the P38

  • @paulm5197
    @paulm5197 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've seen P-38s in flight before. What an amazing airplane! As I understand it, it pretty much swept the Pacific skies of Japanese Zeroes, gaining air superiority and ensuring ultimate victory.

  • @42lookc
    @42lookc 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome. Just awesome. The P38 was the pinnacle of romance of the piston-powered airplane.

  • @Red5
    @Red5 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    What a beautiful sight!! I wish I could have been there in person. I'm glad red bulls shiny bling mobile wasn't invited lol

  • @vetsaway
    @vetsaway 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think you could.I'm a nam vet and vets don't stop what they were good at.Thank you for your service.

  • @OsceolaLongBeard
    @OsceolaLongBeard 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    my favorite plane. what a site!

  • @jimfowler5930
    @jimfowler5930 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Had the pleasure of seeing Glacier Girl at the Sun-n-Fun years ago. God bless the pilots and ground crews.

  • @chuckmiller4871
    @chuckmiller4871 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At least there's no music added. Thank you for that and a great video.

  • @mike104740
    @mike104740 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I find it real amazing how quiet those are

  • @michaelgaley9532
    @michaelgaley9532 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The plane that brought down Admiral Yamamoto thanks to the code breakers they knew what and where he was going. The transport never had a chance against the Lighting.

  • @mattinsley1721
    @mattinsley1721 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh man, I was there that day. Made the hair on the back of my neck stand up.
    I knew I was seeing something that may never happen again.
    Absolutely awesome!

  • @Spawn-td8bf
    @Spawn-td8bf 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing. Take care and God Bless from Florida.

  • @richardhughes6492
    @richardhughes6492 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The most beautiful airplane ever! And, an extremely versatile/successful weapon!

  • @Zooboo1
    @Zooboo1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the late 50s...every Saturday morning 20 P38s would fly like clockwork in 4 formations of 5 ..fly from I think Mitchell Field LI to Massachusetts over Dutchess County New York. A great sight. Years later..30 years at least ...my friend told me his father was in that formation as a reservist doing the Saturday trip.

  • @jayfelsberg1931
    @jayfelsberg1931 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a video. The father of a boyhood friend flew P-38s in Alaska during WW II and was still in love with it.. He modeled it and several other variants.

  • @rickroscoe4734
    @rickroscoe4734 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    50,000 hours of flying means 5.7 years in flight for one man. Amazing.

  • @laurierybaczyk6218
    @laurierybaczyk6218 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome coverage of such a historical moment! Got to see it live, glad to see it again! Good job!

  • @charlottechockiesimons9022
    @charlottechockiesimons9022 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What a thrill to see this! I'm in the process of writing the history of my Uncle, Bob Faurot, who was a P-38 Pilot from the 39th Squadron, 5th Air Force. He was killed in the Battle of the Bismarck Sea just a few months before I was born. The history is to be featured at the Heritage Flight Museum, Bellingham, WA. This is the first time I've seen a P-38 in the air. Thank you!

  • @Lightjug
    @Lightjug 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nicely filmed, thank you!

  • @PlaneBrain1JB
    @PlaneBrain1JB 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! It's not often will see that in person. Great video, Spencer!

  • @robertfrancone9035
    @robertfrancone9035 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely gorgeous birds!!!!

  • @skoot2u
    @skoot2u 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful aircraft and a great upload.I didn't even know that this many were still flying,5*.

  • @airfreak1010
    @airfreak1010 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Flying art pieces, simply beautiful!

  • @hawkplaya94
    @hawkplaya94 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    They are all gorgeous!! Wish I could have seen this in person!!

  • @jefftaylor4707
    @jefftaylor4707 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great footage of a fantastic aircraft .P38s were stationed 6 miles from my home in rural Northamptonshire, England during the war, just up the road from Molesworth and the B17,s of the Hells Angels.God bless them all for their sacrifice.Keep the "little friends" flying.

  • @nscalefun
    @nscalefun 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent filming and thank you for sharing. Keep up the good work.

  • @1MTSRider
    @1MTSRider 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    My parents, a friend of mine and a co-worker went to this show in Chino. They loved it. Wishn' I could've gone too.

  • @afterburner2869
    @afterburner2869 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They sounded like jets when they all flew over together.

  • @jarheads88
    @jarheads88 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this great post

  • @Snipe4261
    @Snipe4261 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's amazing. I didn't know there were so many that could still fly.

  • @deafsmith1006
    @deafsmith1006 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    After WW2 they were selling these planes for $1500 and even threw in a tank of gas to any American buyer. Pity my Grandmother didn't buy a few and stick them in a barn for me!

    • @Nova-ne1il
      @Nova-ne1il 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Deaf Smith I forget what plan it is now I know its one of the flying ones my dad would play in in phx in the 50s.most where demolished but one went on to be restored and my dad always told me the p40 only cost 400!!!!

  • @Cybop-xd9mm
    @Cybop-xd9mm 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Seeing those in person was the best thing ever

  • @Trojan0304
    @Trojan0304 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the great camera shoot

  • @johnosbourn4312
    @johnosbourn4312 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful!

  • @Mikeylikesit1968
    @Mikeylikesit1968 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome video

  • @moonspots01
    @moonspots01 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing.

  • @jrg7951
    @jrg7951 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    No one under the age of 80 has probably ever seen this many flying at once.

  • @EdCali1
    @EdCali1 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome camera work! I need to up my game.

  • @a.l.e.x.a.7.7.7.
    @a.l.e.x.a.7.7.7. 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    My fave plane. Beautiful!!

  • @markim5087
    @markim5087 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So freaking cool, it’s crazy to see the pictures of 100’s of them piled high for scraping,many almost new ,just tossed on top of the others ..shame no one thought about the future of aviation history after the war !!! We could have had another 100 or even a 1000 of each fighter still flying today allowing so many more pilots to enjoy them,while also making it cheaper to do so,& allowing our kids to learn the history of freedom first hand still !

  • @paulm5197
    @paulm5197 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I won't bore you with thanking you for your service, sir. You did your duty, as all we veterans did, and for most of us that's enough. I envy your experience, though. The P-38 is a beautiful airplane. FWIW, I watched Chuck Yeager and a friend, both about 75, fly P-51s at the EAA Convention at Oshkosh, WI. They raced around the pattern, pulling lots of gees. I have no doubt you could fly a P-38.

  • @jessandlysh
    @jessandlysh 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love to read it when you're done!

  • @timivers8823
    @timivers8823 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautiful birds

  • @flyurway
    @flyurway 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice!

  • @brucerobinson7295
    @brucerobinson7295 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Selfidge air show late 90's had a P-38 in the markings of Putt-Putt Maru 475th fighter group South Pacific those Allison's unbeleavable had groosebumps only time ever seen one won't ever forget Bruce

  • @elliottprice6084
    @elliottprice6084 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome. My favourite war bird

  • @claudiobs918
    @claudiobs918 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love the one with drop tanks

  • @C.Pineda2018
    @C.Pineda2018 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Crazy! Only 6 airworthy Lightnings left... Five of them at one show? Awesome!

  • @TERIPOTTER
    @TERIPOTTER 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    growing up in the Detroit suburbs, I was luck enough to see this beautiful bird.. the sound was distinctive .. this would have been in the late 50s or early 60s. I would love to see them fly again. So sad there are only 7 left.........

  • @thegodofhellfire
    @thegodofhellfire 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    outstanding!

  • @saburusakai
    @saburusakai 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Magnificent. Thanx for posting this, and for the great vid work; U did some of the best cam work I've seen like this. Such a rare event; I do so miss going to these airshows with my cameras. What an event, 5 at once. Im also greatful the announcer let us hear the Allisons as they flew by. What an event. I sure dnloaded this one.

  • @StealthDonut1
    @StealthDonut1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the original pilot of Glacier Girl, who landed her in Greenland due to that ice storm, would be amazed at what kind of celebrity that plane is today!

  • @BrianPatronie
    @BrianPatronie 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    There's 'a P-38F just out of restoration that is the only P-38 that has combat hours on it. They pulled it out of a swamp in New Guinea. It's a pretty bird!

    • @njsullyalex2744
      @njsullyalex2744 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @c9j9RT Likely painted to represent a combat aircraft, though probably did not see combat itself.

    • @AlanRoehrich9651
      @AlanRoehrich9651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@njsullyalex2744
      Considering that it is a P-38F, recovered from New Guinea, and on of the pilots who flew it here has confirmed it, I'm pretty sure it's a real combat aircraft.

  • @w.martin9992
    @w.martin9992 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Incredible.

  • @xfire7
    @xfire7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing 👏 .

  • @michaelnaisbitt1639
    @michaelnaisbitt1639 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Classic fighters Beautiful lines to them

  • @Hardballleather
    @Hardballleather 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can't get over how each engine pontoon (if you will) looks like the fuselage of a p40 war hawk

  • @fishsquishguy1833
    @fishsquishguy1833 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love airshows and have been going my entire life. Never seen my favorite plane flying once though, the P 38. Would have loved to have seen five at once!
    Looks like the F35 demo team should be doing the air show circuit so hoping they have an original Lightning for the Heritage flight.

  • @ktg1012
    @ktg1012 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome! I like watching planes do aerobatics.

  • @chainlightning58
    @chainlightning58 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such a cool sound. Almost like a jet...but better.

  • @modshaman
    @modshaman 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know what to say , I'm speechless .

  • @ryanupchurch9683
    @ryanupchurch9683 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The nickname was angel in overalls. It wasn’t the best at anything. But it did its best everywhere. A lot of aces in this airframe. It’s downfall was it was twice as expensive as other airframes. Imagine a p38 with super props?

  • @smckinney3mckinney141
    @smckinney3mckinney141 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    PLEASE don't overlook "GlacierGirl",I believe she is still down @ the Middlesborro Ky Airport where she was restored&put back together.Don't know if she is airworthy,does anyone have that information?

    • @drbichat5229
      @drbichat5229 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Smckinney3 Mckinney Glacier Girl is at 0:13 in the video and led the formation

  • @KRW628
    @KRW628 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    P-51; coolest propellor airplane ever made. P-38; BADDEST propellor airplane ever made.

    • @pepsidoggo1598
      @pepsidoggo1598 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Michael Powell What do you mean by baddest?

  • @amsharais9128
    @amsharais9128 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @Hardballleather
    @Hardballleather 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    One of my favorite war birds, nice

  • @bigsteve6200
    @bigsteve6200 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    They once Ruled the Sky !.

  • @choiyena3729
    @choiyena3729 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Old but gold
    Striker 1945

  • @396TurboJet
    @396TurboJet 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    3:36 -- Okay! I want to see the video footage from _those_ cameras!!

  • @jackwinemiller8358
    @jackwinemiller8358 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    id sell my soul to be able to fly one of these just once

  • @kittisakj8674
    @kittisakj8674 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    สง่างามจริงๆ เจ้าว่างปอ ov-10

  • @yokiyo7141
    @yokiyo7141 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    nice bro

  • @user-hw9dh5xx9u
    @user-hw9dh5xx9u ปีที่แล้ว

    my husband father had the honer of building the p-38 retired from lockheed after 35 years of service

  • @TheViet75
    @TheViet75 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    And they said only two P-38 in flying condition in the world!!

  • @Auggies1956
    @Auggies1956 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    The 1948 Cadillac took it's design ques from this airplane, of so I read.

  • @mroger29sh
    @mroger29sh 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    markr pa again in my opinion 1 of the best ww2 planes ever along with anyone that knows about aircraft, there r only 6

  • @alanhale2436
    @alanhale2436 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I did not know that there were four more P-38s than Glacier Girl. I flew in an F-5 in 1955 in Bishop, CA that was used for cloud seeding. When Lefty Gardner sold his P-38 to Red Bull, it was taken to Europe. I wish some of these would come to the Reno Air Races....
    It would have been a real winner in Europe in WWII if not for the diving problem that ultimately was solved by a spoiler on the back of the wing. But it shone in the Pacific....

  • @tanadornchatchalorn1315
    @tanadornchatchalorn1315 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    p 38 nick name twin tail devil

  • @mroger29sh
    @mroger29sh 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    mark r they finally got it thru there brain that prop torque might make an issue

  • @garypylant3299
    @garypylant3299 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a set of P-38 wheels-New condition...

  • @xaviermitchell8355
    @xaviermitchell8355 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Planes of fame started already?

  • @kdcobra64
    @kdcobra64 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lightnings Strike

  • @jamesharrison6201
    @jamesharrison6201 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not to cast aspersions on the Merlins but for me the Allison sounds better. They're both v12s, would think they would sound similar

  • @ryanupchurch9683
    @ryanupchurch9683 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No flight would want to fly head to head with the lightnings. The bf109s would any them. They’d jump jugs ( the figs would hold their own). The mustangs were so late to the dance

  • @paulaschenebrener8713
    @paulaschenebrener8713 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know where there are at least 23 p-38's buried under ground by the Us Army Air corps. The problem is some Volcano covered up the bury sights with at least 18 feet of magma.over them. Clark air base is the location bury sights One and two on the map. You might find a bonus aircraft crashed landed by a lightning Ace.

    • @Panzer-535
      @Panzer-535 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      the Clark Field aircraft (weren't P-38) were dug up and scrapped in the 1960s during a clean up of unexploded ordinance and removal of military equipment. the second area of buried aircraft (also not P-38) were dug up in the 90s when a powerplant was built. you may be referring to the Burma Spitfires, of which 140 aircraft were found buried, but not by a volcano. if a burial of P-38 exists, highly doubt you're going to find one of Richard Bong's, Thomas McGuire's, or Charles MacDonald's spare aircraft.

  • @Warchild1950
    @Warchild1950 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Army Air Corps won the toss from the Navy to bring down IJN Adm. Yamamoto sense we had already broken the Japanese Code and knew where he was supposed to be. The Zero was no match to the Pursuit Lighting and easly took the Admiral to the great Shinto Shrine

  • @russg1801
    @russg1801 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe we're seeing just about HALF of the total number of airworthy Lightning's in one place. Glacier Girl is there. Anyone know what the total restoration cost on her was? It wouldn't have been spent if these aircraft weren't ultra-rare. BTW, wasn't the original nose art for Glacier Girl a scantily-clad woman sitting on a block of ice? Well, if it wasn't, it SHOULD have been.

  • @HarryJohnson1991
    @HarryJohnson1991 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    After the war many airbases buried a lot of equipment, parts and maybe even aircraft. I know that was the case here in the UK. I heard first hand from one old boy who helped build the local airfield that a lot of stuff was just dumped into pits because the cost of getting it back to the states would be to high. I'm certain there's tonnes of goodies just waiting to be discovered on old airfields here in the UK and in other parts of the world...

  • @leonorhuizar358
    @leonorhuizar358 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wish I'll be a pilot

    • @albertvelasquez7089
      @albertvelasquez7089 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Leonor Huizar. I was told from an experience. Vietnam pilot the life expectancy of a ww2 fighter plane 300 flying hours, 👿

    • @bigroy38
      @bigroy38 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Do it.

  • @marryellen7713
    @marryellen7713 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What was the better of the two aircraft, p-38 or p-51? Actual facts. I wonder why the p-38 disappeared so quickly and why the p-51 stayed.

    • @Panzer-535
      @Panzer-535 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Range, airspeed, and armament, the P-51 was better. P-38 was widely used, but was primarily in the Pacific Theater while the P-51 served in pretty much every theater. the P-51 was also cheaper to produce. as an escort, the P-51 could tangle with ME-109 and FW-190 better than the P-38 could.

    • @AlanRoehrich9651
      @AlanRoehrich9651 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Panzer-535
      Actually, the P-38 maintained the greatest combat radius of any U.S fighter. At no time did a current production P-51 ever have a greater combat radius than a current production P-38.
      As far as armament, the P-38 was a better gun platform, it did not deal with convergence, the four Browning M2 50 caliber machine guns, and the 20MM cannon all fired in a 30" circle from point blank to maximum effective range, making it far easier to get the full weight of fire concentrated on target. And the 20MM was equally adept at shattering wing spars, and exploding fuel tanks.
      Olds, Ilfrey, Morris, Blumer, and Lowell all did well in the P-38, just to name a few.
      The 9th and 15th AF had considerable success with the P-38 against the Luftwaffe, as did several individual pilots in the 8th AF, it was the 8th AF command that caused its own issues with the P-38. The P-38 was also successful in North Africa against the Luftwaffe.
      In the Pacific, the P-38 accounted for more Japanese aircraft than all other aircraft in the Air Corps combined. The Navy aircraft outscored the P-38 simply because more Japanese targets were available to them.
      The P-38 was not without issues, it required a better pilot, and a better ground crew that worked harder, it required more fuel and more maintenance. But twin engines made it very survivable and more likely to bring the pilot home.