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On today's video we are talking about the Commander Graves in modern warfare.
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The campaign, a direct sequel to the record-breaking Call of Duty: Modern Warfare II, sees Captain Price and Task Force 141 face off against ultranationalist war criminal Vladimir Makarov as he extends his grasp across the world.
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He still my boy tho
Mine too
and we dont talk about how many war crimes TF-141 did?
@@Olvgamer-uz3fz exactly
Mine too Bro.
Graves is still my boy an i have feel that what he did was order by sheperd an also i have strong feeling Graves will play role in modern warfare 4 or modern warfare ghosts in 2026
Love Graves, but the attack on Las Almas was pure evil. That makes him pretty much irredeemable. Nobody but TF-141 and the rest of Shadow Company knows he did that, though. So he'll probably get away with it.
he was doing his job following orders and they were caught in mw3 i think but the blame is on shepherd
@@elirosas4252 Still, it seemed like he enjoyed killing everyone in parts of the mission. Pretty scary.
@@NoahParker-ft3gl yeah he’s unhinged but he’s also a contractor with a marsoc background he’s gotta be a little unhinged
I’m pretty sure the government knows since they snitched on him and they’re trusting the 141 also it ain’t his fault just poor writing
@@elirosas4252it’s not on shepherd at all, he asked them to get the 141 to leave not to shoot them up
“You draw the line wherever you need it, Sergeant,”“End of the day, somebody has to make the enemy scared of the dark. We get dirty, and the world stays clean. That's the mission.”
They don’t understand how dirty you have to get to keep the world clean
This does not apply here lil bro
@@Heheyeahbwoi brodie what?
@@Cr0ach48I think he’s calling you gay just because you’re saying that the quote doesn’t apply to literally fucking massacring an entire town of civilians 💀
He beat me to the quote
When the massacre happened I expected Graves & Shepherd to be the two main villains going forward but I forgot that the writers really had no vision so they had to shove in Makarov as quickly as possible. I remember watching TmarTn2’s gameplay on Alone & said this mission was JUST TO SHOW OFF THE CRAFTS FEATURE! Truth is Graves can’t be redeemed after what he did but because he’s popular I’m sure they’ll find a way to keep him in.
Yeah it felt that way to Alone sucked
Tbf it doesn’t fit with graves character at all, they shoehorned him as the villain
"I never was in that town."
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
“I did not have tactical relations with that town.” Graves
Not to defend his massacre, but the game says “citizen” not “civilian” a citizen can be a militant or connected with the cartel in a non-combative way. Since the names of the people he’s killing are yellow, you could make the assumption that they could be money men for the cartel or have businesses that benefits the cartel. Therefore Graves might see them as legitimate targets for aiding the cartel in one way or another. Would doing this be ruthless and kind of be like a vigilante going to far, yes, but the people he killed would not be completely innocent if that were the case. Again, not defending the massacre, but it’s a possible angle to view the incident.
Yeah because all those mercenaries did a brackgoroud check and full on detective investigation on everyone before executing them
Alright, Graves, get off your alt.
@@dripsnake44 "i wasn't on that tan- i mean, alt account"
During "Alone", you can here during one of the parts Graves telling one of his Shadows to "Get a kid out of here", followed by a Shadow shushing a Kid and presumably leading him away from seeing someone get shot. He's not completely heartless.
smart move bro
He did go overboard during that mission but he spared the women and children so that’s one thing. He deemed them cartel associates which may or may not be true. His ethics may be flawed but he works better as an ally than an enemy.
My man we start the mission by seeing the dead bodies of a man and a woman, and the camera shows a wounded Soap
@@khurramzafar Gaz and Price killed hella women in the clean house mission. They could have been radicalised cartel associates. We don’t know what happened with SC. Soap was shot bc Alejandro escalated the conflict and one Shadow guy got an itchy trigger finger.
Shadows: *Starts melly whopping cartels
Cartels: *FUKK
TF141: “NOT ON MY WATCH BOI”
Cartels: “phew that was close”
Graves will be a Anti Hero
In my seeing, he is an anti-hero with something in his past that gives him the conviction that places with corruption and vile are vile and corrupt as a whole, so he doesn't care the means necessary to destroy that (someone that might have good intentions, but is too volatile to be fully trusted). If this is true, it could be explained in a prequel game focused on Shadow Company creation. We have a lot of operators that could have a particupation (like Roze,Leech and others) but probably we'll never see in a canon game
and we dont talk about how many war crimes TF-141 did? as price said: "you drawn the line when ever you need it"
may be Graves and the shadows, didint know who is civilian and who is cartel (kids dont count). after all we are the only ones see those sub titles.
They didn’t do anything unnecessary though, that point is invalid
8:03 Now you’re thinking like a CoD Writer!!
Graves does what he needs to do his actions might be worse to Las Almas. But he also does the same with hostile forces; he's a PMC. Not to mention other Intelligence group and Black operations done by the Military operated by the government. Pot meet Kettle I guess?
This is the dark side of contracting boys. Can't say pretty please to potential cartel.
Irma Grese, this is the name of a woman who was a high ranking member of the Auschwitz prison camp back in WW2. This woman was pure evil she enjoyed inflicting Pain to her prisoners.
search her up and read about her.
Search up Irma Grese and read a history articles about her, there is a dark side of contracting women too you know and maybe search up more and let’s see how girls are any different from boys.🙃
@@BurntPopcorn9731 might just do that. Thank you
Graves killing a entire town with his men felt so out of character when he seem like a profesional merc and the fact that it was ignored later on feels off
They ignored it cause it is out of character
Till this day, The Reboot Trilogy could have been a lot better If Shepherd & The Shadow Company have remaind on The good side.
Like Imagine a Different Campaign with Graves and The 141 boys having an Argument of how Special Forces handle things compared to how Mercenaries like The Shadows and Konni handle Everything.
Just saying, overall
Great job as usual bro!
Thank you man I appreciate it
I think this is actually great writing, making a character that was previously so likeable and charismatic suddenly do something so horrible you can't look at him the same way. You're not supposed to, but I think Call of duty kept him around for so long after MWII's campaign because he became a fan favourite. Clearly warren kole has a blast recording his lines he just *is* Graves irl.
I hope he does return if they continue the MW reboot series it would suck if activision took the backlash for the campaign so hard they straight up reboot the MW series again.
No it’s dumb writing, it literally makes no sense for graves to betray them like that especially when they have the same allies and enemies
Graves and Alex are the best characters of the reboot
I’d argue Farah, Ghost, and Alejandro fall in that category too. The problem with Alex is that he wasn’t even in MW2 and was basically a background character in MW3 which knocks his character down for me. But he was phenomenal in 2019
He was making Mexico livable again.😂
Okay, chill out, Donald Trump.
Shadow company pulled a black water lol
As Ghost said, Graves committed War Crimes.
Through the campaigns of MW 2019 and 2022, where so many times where who we thought were civs pulled a gun on us, i didn't really mind graves doing that.
If Negan from The Walking Dead can be redeemed then so can Graves.
Evil and likable
In his eyes he probably thought those guys were with the cartels not defending him but everyone has a reason to do something not for the sake of being evil.
Believe me this version of Philip Graves, he killed both innocent and corrupt Mexican citizens in Las Alma’s. But my gta verse makes him look more of a horrified witness. My other comment has the gta verse lore on graves reaction on las Alma’s massacre of 2022
The lore behind the 2022 Las Alma’s massacre involves why did Las Alma’s became a massacre site. The country of San sombrero is more of gta universe version of rl Mexico because there’s a Mexico in the gta verse but it’s a rump state. And mexico is a us state and Mexico City is the state capital. As well as its most populous state because of immigration from south and Central America. As well as between Aquila and back. Aquila is an American nation founded by Mexicans and later North Americans. Confederate citizens who relocated from a civil war torn Dixieland and most settlers were confederate citizens, slaves, and soldiers. As well as military officers. Landowners and oligarchs And they would be American protectorates and later independent nations. But unlike former American protectorates, Aquila leaned its own path. They were practically wanting to recreate a proposed golden circle empire and Aquila has Hispanic citizens who are either American citizens or local Aquila’s and would want its own sphere of influence. The Americas is divided into five powers. Especially in the Cold War. United States. Aquila, Andean union, Brazil, and Soviet puppet and aligned states.
Later it would evolve into the United States and North America union and pacific treaty organization. The Andean federation. The cod ghosts federation. And Brazilian empire and south Atlantic co prosperity alliance. And Aquila would become a neutral zone between the USA and China backed federation.
There should be a game about Graves.
I really don't see an end to the Graves story. MW is dying and being turned into a pop-culture graphic novel. The good writers are gone. It's all selling bundles now. Game play and money, and to hell with the story,......any story. Don't forget what the developers did at the end of GHOSTS.
Killer? More like hero. During the events in las almas I was having a hard time wondering who was actually the bad guys, soap and ghost were doing nothing but whining and playing the holier than thou high moral ground type stuff while graves was flushing out an entire cartel beehive effortlessly and had Valeria and her cartel on edge. 141 should’ve stayed out of his way and give up the base. It’s Not like 141 or Alejandro needed it anyway. Just more white American man bad guy bs.
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@@BranWolfYT as if 141 never committed war crimes lol, not only that 141 was basically defending narcos and their sympathizers if you think about it, I don’t know why they were getting so worked up over the shadows cleaning up the corrupt cops and narcos and their sympathizers That’s how you win wars, not only that, remember SC doesn’t answer to the us government or military, but gen shepherd and him only. Those missiles would’ve never gotten close to Chicago, Hassan would’ve been offed in that field, and valeria would’ve been 6 feet deep a long time ago if 141 let graves and shadows do his thing.
The bad guys were the writing team
@@Deathmare235 real
Legit one of the best call of duty youtubers. Keep it going
Wow I really appreciate it man!
That's why I see him as a Villian and I'm all in for it. He's my favorite Villian 😎
He's a cool slick bad guy
But a bad guy nun the less.
He was always designed to be a bad guy because shadow company was always supposed to be the traitor and enemy of tf141
That being said there's a probability he'll redeem himself in the next game...
By dying... for real this time.
Sacrifice whatever he has left for a noble cause and then pay the ultimate price.
On the bright side they'll probably give us the good guy version of him with Metal Zero 1 aka sandman
No they weren’t they were only writing as the bad guys last minute graves was meant to be a good guy
He can be redeemed through death. He can be redeemed if they portray a vulnerable side to his character. They can show this by him saving 141 and he slowly builds an understanding with them. But by the time they actually fw him again, he dies a heroic, sacrificial death. Almost like Merle in The Walking Dead.
No him dying is dumb, guy is a brother
@@Deathmare235 how long does MW have anyways. Once MW4 hits it’s done. Graves dying would be sad but it would be at the end of the game anyways - not that it would soften the loss but it will propel the story (unlike Soap’s dumbass death).
I think that while it was cruel these people aren’t exactly innocent by any means, they were with Valeria and complied with the cartel many times even if it meant their lives and families own are in jeopardy! You gotta be evil to do some good and these cops that he killed especially threatened him with violence from El Sin Numbre, they all ain’t innocent especially since they needed the missiles and hasan before millions died and ww3 is started, it’s tragic but in ways their deaths helped stopped millions more from dying
Nah i don't think that alejandro would go out of his way to kill graves, graves doesn't have any reason to go back to mexico ever again too. Mexican special forces would most likely never operate internationally to take out an american PMC. Also the massacre in mexico is a lot similar to when Blackwater shot and killed 17 civilians and injured 20 while escorting a US convoy, kind of a similar number to how many civilians we saw die in the alone mission. 4 blackwater employees were tried and convicted and later pardoned. Maybe this is all just cope but I see a similar thing happening to shadow company, i don't really see commander graves getting killed off because of that mission.
2:26 I Guess Brother was Locked in On Surviving and Escaping that Hellhole of A Mission Instead Of Listening to the Voice Lines of the Characters and The War Crimes Being Committed, i did the Same thing. ( i ain't Judging if u Like that Mission but i do not.)
Shocked you didn’t like alone as a mission, that was my personal favorite in MW2
Graves and Shadow crossed a line. That said, the head of the snake was killed. Remember Graves was ordered to take the gloves off. And who ordered that...Hershel Shepherd. Now, did Graves follow those orders? Yes. In terms of law and order, he is guilty as charged.
No he didn’t shepherd didn’t order him to shoot you a town
Well.....if you wanted to redeem Graves. There is one way. Say TF 141 goes on a mission unsanctioned. Things are desperate. Your playing as captain price. Many members are about to die and dying and wounded. Graves comes and saves the day. As you load your members up your about to extract via helicopter, but its hit. It needs to loose weight to get out. And then Graves jumps off sacrificing himself so everyone can get out dispite price trying to catch and fail saving him. The helicopter takes off leaving Graves to the enemy. Barely saving price, ghost, and others.
What did graves do this time we talked about this graves come on 😂
@Codm22712 people always telling me about his massacre on mexican civilians 😐
@@BranWolfYT I mean he did to some of that 😂😂 but he did a,so help stop 2 missals and did good before that sooo = maybe to do some good u gotta do some bad
@@codm22712he nearly helped detonate the 3rd nuke though
Thinking about it now what if those people weren’t so innocent when we raided the cartel hideout the shadows searched everything including the list of all people affiliated with the cartel and he gave this information to shepherd there’s still a lot we don’t truly know about why this happened
The only way I can see his redemption playing out is twofold: He legitimately believed the people he was targeting were all connected to the Cartel and he does some kind of major sacrifice to save Mexico. I'd rather see Alejandro get his revenge, though.
Maybe if I were to make the rest of his story maybe show him getting the no prisoner order by shepherd which he only briefly questions in the moment but the future going forward maybe show how it haunts him a bit and he could go on a redemption arc but his end will be him going home or a safe house and him relaxing before realizing he's not alone so in his final moments he grabs his shadows patch and takes one final look before a shot in the back of the head kills him as Alejandro Vargas comes out the shadows and confirming the kill to Rudy then you can cut to the shadows honoring him as we reveal who's now in charge of the shadows PMC. Just a idea I thought quickly
6:33 That Laugh Bruh💀
🤣🤣🤣 thought it was a lil funny
@@BranWolfYT it's the way you said " beat the shit out of em" that took me out😂😂😂
Graves later on gets arrested and a couple games later tf 141 need his help and los vaqueros he gets In a fight with Alejandro I don’t know maybe in one mission Graves tries to save his reputation and he does the ultimate sacrifice where he actually dies to save his shadows TF 141 and los Vaqueros
Also let's make no mistake here.....THIS ONLY HAPPENED BECAUSE SHEPHERD DIDNT WANT TO SUPPORT THE SHADOWS WHO HAD THE MISSILES THAT GOT AMBUSHED.....
No way you’re blaming shepherd, might as well blame the civilians for living in las Almas
@@Deathmare235 he's the reason the missiles were stolen.. because he didn't want to send help to the convoy that was attacked. It would've only helped him in the long run.
@@Phillip_Graves no it wouldn’t graves didn’t care about the missiles he only wanted to save his own men
@@Deathmare235 B R U H......that went over your head just like those stolen missiles B O I lemme tell you something.... I WAS TALKING ABOUT SHEPHERD NOT GRAVES......
@@Phillip_Graves I know, and I said that graves didn’t care about the missiles
if vargus and his bois take graves? out it then its also a war crime witch explanes linch taking over shadow company after in warzone
and also cpt price did the same thing by killing gen sheperd , because gen sheperd he let two people go hassan,hadair and makarov still "running"
Gta verse lore on Graves: Philip Graves owned Shadow company from the former Umbra Catervae PMC. The original shadow company from the original modern warfare trilogy. They were involved in shady operations. And the most infamous was used by General lance Shepherd Henrikson. Brazilian army general. His actions came into light and how the company could’ve been used against the host country Brazil itself. It split the company up. Even created many PMCs up. And this includes Philip Graves own PMC. New Shadow Company. That he had partners and friends who wanted to make profit. And Graves backed up United Antiterrorism Coalition. An international anti terror unit made by Civilization Committee. At most the United States and Brazil. And Allie’s. As well as had members belonging to rogue and enemy states. Graves partners Peacemaker and Homelander were wanting to handle shadow company better. Being a business over personal glory. Graves chased glory. This angers his partners Peacemaker and Homelander into committing a mutiny against him. They have many conspirators involved in their business. Former colonel turned General Norris. And an insider who happens to be part of the Vaqueros. This conspiracy is more about causing false flag attacks to make shadow company more powerful and more involved in those places and operations. Graves realizes that his partners want to remain the war economy. Over peacekeeping. And this would make Las Alma’s become a massacre site. And Graves realize that his company had been comprised and must side with task force 141. And undo his shadow company’s actions. And stop his former partners. Truly Graves was fantasy glory chasing and becomes the redeemed hero. He wasn’t involved in shadow company’s missile escort when Homelander was in charge of leaking info to his rivals to cause some cat chase. And Peacekeeper was in charge in escorting the missiles and unfortunately Homelander let Konni group kill the shadows and take the missiles and give them to Hassan and AQ. Plus peacekeeper doesn’t know that Homelander was tricking him into being his side when he played him like a fiddle. Unfortunately, even the evidence of Homelander wasn’t enough to convince peacekeeper to see Homelander as the bigger enemy. And he was killed by graves. His last words was You were chasing glory and not paper. Graves cries killing peacekeeper seeing him as an innocent minded pawn. Graves wants to kill Homelander. But must focus on the vaquero traitor and mastermind of the stolen missiles.
The hell is gta verse im so confused
@@KeenanBaskme as well
Listen… I’m more than aware of the horrid shit american contractors under payroll from the DOD and other pmcs have done irl, like black water giving unpurified water to American soldiers in afghanistan, or shooting random civilians in the middle of the road….
But that mission honestly was the straw that broke the camel’s back when it came to my suspension of disbelief, it first started when the CIA and US federal government had to let hassan go because it was ‘illegal’ even though he was involved in the death’s of 3-4 American law enforcement officers, and the attempted murder of a active duty member of the Mexican army…. Not to even mention being in possession of drugs and having access to illegal weapons.
And yes I get it, this isnt the first time stuff like thats happened in the reboot series, like barkov turning out to be rogue in mw2019 (even though all evidence points to him acting as an arm to the russian army proper, and no a rogue general wouldnt have access to Su-24s and an army able to occupy an entire country, plus barkov’s army was clearly intended as a critique on russia’s presence in syria at the time, and alot of warcrimes barkov was shown as doing are warcrimes russia actually did in syria and is now doing in ukraine, an example for the latter would be kidnapping CHILDREN, but I’m getting ahead of myself.)
But, the lack of clear intervention of the mexican federal government, including the lack of federal police, national guard, and the MARINES, and also the fact that graves just went around executing people at random, and how this didnt reset mexican-american relations back to the 1850s is frankly for me, the straw that broke the camels back.
Sorry im rereading this, and god my grammar was atrocious.
it happens lol
But who's to say that the cartel and corrupt cops didn't kill the civilians so that they wouldn't tell Graves and Shadow where the cartel is?
Hes my favorite War Criminal
Sometimes...We can't save em all.even someone good as Graves.
I can't either specially after what he did to cartel mommy but happy national valeria day 2!🎉❤
The fact he's a corrupt person. Is the reason his character story would be interesting.
It interesting because you don't know what hes capable off, his goals, and what he'll do to accomplish it.
This goes away if he's redeemable
1:59 before I moved on I had to peep something real quick and this video already sits at more views than any other video on you talking positive on graves is nuts 😂
I actually played this without playing MW1 so I figured maybe I was missing something, because it really made no sense for him to go do that. I personally think they did that so it made more sense for Price to want to kill him, because him just following orders and shooting Soap in the arm, wasn’t enough to give them this big “LETS KILL GRAVES” moment, because than they would seem like the bad guys. Graves didn’t deserve that, justice for my boy.
Saying that graves deserves a redemption arc is far out of line me personally I don’t think he deserves it just saying.
I always had the idea that Shepherd had orchestrated the attack on the convoy carrying missiles.
I mean think about it, You're a 4-star US Army General with utmost limitless resources at your disposal and you didn't use them correctly?
Shadow Company had confirmed the route was clear and I'd assume that a PMC that has an AC-130 gunship would also have some form of ISR available so Konni wasn't camping most likely or else they would've been made.
This means that Konni couldn't have had an idea where or what was being transported for an off-the-books transaction as they didn't have access to Shadow Company's comms until AFTER the attack.
I always had the notion that since this is Shepherd we're talking about, he probably would've taken a gamble at taking down Makarov (Joseph Allen style).
Picture this. General Shepherd had done something to burn Graves' team as PMC operatives on a black ops mission would be easy to dispose of in the best interest of drawing out Makarov. He perhaps became aware of Makarov's forces after his arrest and needed a way to take down Konni or at least draw them out so Shepherd can gain a tactical advantage, so he sends Shadow Company with minimal guys carrying precious cargo and tips off Konni with planted intel so that they can intercept the missiles. Shepherd basically kills Graves' men so that he could draw out Makarov from the dark in hopes of stopping him by whatever means necessary.
There was basically no reason to give the missiles on a clandestine mission since either way, they're American missiles with the US flag on it, and regardless who fires them, it's assumed that the USA would launch them, so if the US was okay with missiles being launched, a 4-star General could EASILY authorize to send missiles to the ULF...unless he needed it off the books. Stealing missiles to track Konni to take them down before they could mobilize and Shepherd gets to keep this off the books. Of course, Makarov always plans ahead hence why Shepherd lost the missiles.
It's definitely a stretch but always fun to examine Shepherd as more ruthless than a dude who just sucks at keeping an eye on American Missiles and Russian Gas.
i been wonder what Alejandro will do once he found out Soap was kill in combat
I'd like a splinter element from shadow company, help 141, make it right. But that will be up to the creator or fanfiction.
I love your Graves videos ‼️
@@rexel__5380 thank you!
We don’t talk about what happened in Mexico
This would be an interesting movie actually: A war between a cartel-controlled nation and a massive PMC.
Mi compa Alejandro got unfinished business with the white boy Graves even the voice actor of Alejandro Alain Mesa said it himself hopefully we get something like that 🙌🏼
Is Graves really a Commander? Like in the NAVY? By that point one has to be 15-20 in the institution, and really more focused on career advancement, to be captain before 50 and then get beyond that before retirement, benefits and pensions for Admiral officers are quite juicy.
Maybe the Mexican government it goes for extradition.
Loves your vids
Thank you for watching!
Great video as always.
Thanks bro
For me He did is good against cartel but betraying TF141 is not a nice thing
Well It's the Only Thing i can't Defend Graves from and if you know My Existence in this man's Comment Section i Write Literal Steven King Novel Ass Comments of Facts, I Love Graves as a Character and a Leader but i Don't Think i can Defend On This One, Mission Failed, We'll Get Em' Next Time(Maybe)
Honestly, I wasn't surprised that Graves betrayed us. I don't think anyone was, outside of newcomers that is. Seriously, his forces being Shadow Company and General Shepard being in charge of them, I'm positive a massive chunk of us all saw this coming a mile away. The brutality he demonstrated towards the locals really feels less like a sucker punch and more like the writers trying to justify that they're now our targets. The dialogue being so damn explicit with who was talking (Male Citizen 1, Sicario Male 2) definitely didn't help either. No nuance, no subtlety.
I won't hold my breath in any case. MWIII has proven they're going the wrong way in terms of story. I mean why bother trying when people will salivate over the multiplayer?
i think Activision and IW gave up on the Story of the reboot MW. Sad truth, but it's mainly because the new Season dropped, all the skins are garbage. I belive that MW 219 part 4 isn't goin well
nah in my opinion graves was more justified then clone trooper commander fox with ALL of his actions
Price is such a hypocrite, this is the kind of shit you gotta do to get rid of narcos.
Dawg some of the Shit Price has done is equally as fucked as Graves Massacre
Valeria is a hero compared to what Graves did
He’s still my pookie bear idc
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How can they even cover it up? Who’s gonna answer to the Mexican gov?
Ironic how people hate adler for doing his work yet they love this mf because he's "hot" 😐
Hellll naaah Adlers cool to but naaa
@@BranWolfYT it's just freaking unfair,this guy did a massacre,yet they forgive him,justify him,and all just because he's "cool",yet adler whose did way less worse than him and was jus trying to avoid WW3 from happening (like TF141 in OG MW) gets hated because "omG hE kIlled My GeneRic sIlent proTagonIst"
@@rebekk8 I understand what you mean for sure. And maybe he is definitely wrong I just like 2 see other points of view to talk about them
@@BranWolfYT yeah like,idk why people whine way more for bell's death that was confirmed 4 years ago,than mason's wich was just confirmed weeks ago,mason is way more of a better character anyways
Adler does it on purpose, graves only did it cause of lazy writing
Graves for president 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Se puede medio argumentar esa masacre, Graves está buscando a Hassan y hay muchos narcos y polis corruptos por lo que se puede medio entender, lo que ya no puedo defender es la ejecución de mujeres y civiles inocentes
Sip
Do you really think MW 2 story was relevant? Cuz why the hell they need to kill General Ghobrani. They had a reason to kill Barkov cuz of his invasion of Urzikstan in MW 2019. There is a lack of story in MW2 and WZ 2.0 idk why no one is talking about it!
He knew that all of las almas was involved with the cartel it’s disgusting to do such a thing but he followed orders Shepherd had him do this to the people of Las almas he found no joy in the act sometimes you close yourself off to the horrors you commit
Did he kill women and children too? In some scenes I swear I could hear what sounded like a child, but maybe I heard it wrong
I still don't trust him. But a new skin should be released in the previous seasons and Oz (Zoltan Bathory of Five Finger Death Punch) too
Have one of those townspeople join the Vaqueros. Sees Graves. "You killed my family. Been waiting for this, pendejo."
No u weren’t
@@prestonramirez2555 I still am
Graves is the type of guy who is opportunistic and believes in his own sense of justice. His actions are irredeemable and I question those who defend him.
This folks is a great character with terrible writing
how do you defend the direct murder of civilians is weird. Graves fans need to touch grass
@@rootin222 goofball
Here to stop kids from saying first
Your a sad hypocrite as you did it yoirsekf 😂😂😂😂 be a better person 1 don’t be a hypocrite 2 let “ kids “ have there fun or what ever it didn’t effect u
@@vasketbol 😆
@@BranWolfYT btw if there was actually gonna be a game about graves and the shadow company, I think it would be like escape from tarkov (or dmz) with usec being shadow company and bear being konni, just an opinion tho
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It probably be more racist if it was Iraqi children
I don't care I still love him.