Is Commander Philip Graves Evil? (Modern Warfare 3 Story)
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- In this video we look at the character in the Modern Warfare Franchise by the name Commander Phillip Graves. Today we answer the question: Is Philip Graves Evil? In this we look at the story of Modern Warfare 2 and Modern Warfare 3. I hope you enjoy!
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More like "judge, jury and executioner for hire".
End of the day, he's just mercenary looking for the paycheck. But no necessery evil. Remember who he was like before the gate incident and that he gave TF141 and Vargas a choice to walk away. He may be a cowboy gun-for-hire, but he's got the rules.
He’s also a pretty nice guy, as long as he isn’t ruined by “creative writing”
Professionals have standards.
I don't think he's evil he's an anti hero
No he’s just a hero
He’s not evil doss he do evil stuff yeah kinda some of witch is illegal but so dose 141 anti hero or hero idk
Anti heros don't kick down doors merc'n random people on a whim. Also...if you have allies, you generally don't try to kill them with a Tank?
@@Codm22712"Illegal", not evil. 141 don't kill civilians.
@makokiller13 that's exactly what a anti hero would do. Also he wasn't in the tank so who knows who was controlling it
Bro he's just doing his job
Literally beat me to it, following and complex completing orders he’s been given by COC very easy to comprehend and understand fn ink 🤦🏻♂️ 🫡 🇺🇸 #WHERESMAKAROV
@@greatsambino2060the orders were dumb though maybe that says more about shepherd than him
Even though they might of been dumb orders, they were orders that he was given by his commander and he is a gun for hire remember he gets to carry out what’s been given to him #WHERESMAKAROV
@@greatsambino2060 still should question dumb ass orders also I wonder what shepherd actually said
@@Deathmare235dumb or not he’s being payed… big money
He plays both side to gain a profit. Due to him being a contracted military service HAH
He never works with the bad guys though
To be honest the term bad guy is subjected to perspective that's what I think stillz
@@kwamaycampbell32 Makarov is a good guy?
@@Deathmare235 fam the f work with a huge no sir
@@Deathmare235 to word what I say better when I say bad guy is subjective it would be based of dessisions amde by that person and interpreted by ppl around them
Graves is more of a vigilante. The war crimes he committed in Las Almas were executing corrupt cops or people involved in cartel. So he is somewhere in between good and evil.
How do some people miss that fact? We were clearly shown that Graves only attacks those he deemed as combatants, not obvious civilians.
@@agentlinrov1474 I've watched a lot of vids of people playing the game on youtube, and sadly most of them don't actually pay attention to the story and then spread what little (wrong) information they got :(
Definitely good, him killing civilians was a writing mistake
I think he’s a “do whatever is needed” type of guy. He works with who benefits him more
But always with the good guys though
he’s serial killer who takes credit cards -captain Rick Flag
Shepherd also screwed Graves over with the failed black bag operation back in MWII. Guessing from there, Graves wanted revenge for his fallen soldiers.
And you bring up a good point. Graves never intended to kill Soap, Ghost and Alejandro after the reveal. He wanted them out of the picture, even only detaining Alejandro's comrades. It was only when Alejandro justifyingly assault Graves for his betrayal, that was when they got on the defensive.
If Shadow Company wasn't stuck with Shepherd, they would have been great allies to TF 141 and the ULF.
No he wanted to kill Soap and Ghost. In the mission you had to craft items you hear him talking to his shadows while burning a house about capturing TF141 and he said “you know my preference” with regard to alive or dead. Pretty obvious.
How did shepherd screw them up it was a failed operation and there was no point sending reinforcements, the men there were already dead and if anything graves was acting like the villain in that situation
@deathmare they were close enough to base that air support could have been used but Shepard did not want to
Shadow Company is still a major ally to 141 and ULF. Alex and Farah willingly worked with Graves even after knowing what occurred in Las Almas. Shadow company also helped them in their last assault on Konni in Urzikstan, and I believe Shadow company operators were actually on the ground with 141 and ULF as well
@@drunkvax I mean that they wouldn't have the initial bad blood developed during the events of MWII. The 141 were wary when they learned the ULF and SC are allies and even if Farah vouches for them, it's still an uneasy truce... despite Graves trying to rekindle.
He was a Marine Raider before he was a contractor, which is probably where he met shepherd and has the connections to recruit the way he does.
I felt like he met shepherd when he became a PMC
@@Deathmare235 Shepherd is very evidently a SOCOM or JSOC commanding officer, the raiders would've worked with or directly under him at some point in time, you wouldn't just hire a random contractor to do these things for you, unless you knew him prior
@@Shxlbyyy or the contractor has a very good reputation
Commander Graves' backstory is in his bio in multiplayer. He's an American (pretty sure a Texan), a proud former MARSOC Raider, and founder/CEO of Shadow Company. If u ask me he is an anti-hero. He is a blind patriot (like Shepard) who was tired of the gov red tape and wanted to make some cash doing what he loves to do. He doesn't see his own actions as evil, but "necessary" for the "greater good in the name of God, and country." If those actions get him paid, even better.
How is he a patriot if he’s a mercenary
@@Deathmare235 a "patriot" is defined as someone who vigorously supports his or her nation etc etc. Notice how I said "blind patriot?" What i meant by that was, someone who's views are blurred/skewed or simply following orders "blindly" in the name of loyalty to the country. Doing things that go outside the lines of morality in their own belief of what patriotism is. Gen Shepard is a blind patriot. Doing what HE feels is right and justified to defend the US, even if by illegal or immoral means (as shown by his actions in both MW2 games). As I mentioned according to his bio, Com Graves is a proud former MARSOC Raider, who formed Shadow Company. IMO, he formed the company to get paid doing what loves to do...fighting in the name of the US. While being a mercenary, u can avoid a lot of the "red tape" that comes with waging war for such (just ask Black Water). With that said, (again imo) it seems to me that he's a proud vet, who left the red tape behind, formed his security company, and found himself working with/for someone who had the same ideology as him. He then simply just followed orders in the sake of what he felt was the right thing for the nation. Those missiles were being shipped to fight against our biggest threat in the Middle East, Iran. In MW3 they are shown to be given to Farah who has become a budding ally in said region. There is no mention he contracted outside of the US, against the US, or for anyone else beside Sheppard. So to me, he comes off as a "blind" patriot who now gets paid to do what he loves, all while his vison is blurred. There are plenty of accounts of such things occurring throughout history and there is no reason to believe his loyalties go beyond the US just because he is a merc.
@@TheHuntsman570graves didn’t even fight for the us, they were fighting with Russia in mw19
Edit: a lot of shadow company members left the us army on bad terms and don’t consider themselves apart of it, including graves himself
@@Deathmare235 and how doesn't he see himself part of it if he is a "proud," former MARSOC Raider? This is written in his game bio.
@@Deathmare235 and were they fighting for Russia in MW19? I remember them fighting against Al-Q ( terror group of MW19) but nothing implies they were fighting for Russia. Especially considering they are working for Shepard on behalf of the US in MW2, and handing missiles to Farah. Again, jaded view of "on behalf."
edit: i believe that they were added to the "Russian" side of mp in MW19 just to balance out the operators.
Graves is an Awsome character.. i hope to See more of him
I feel like he's just following orders but when it comes to his ass being covered then it's screw everybody else 💯💯
He allowed himself to take the blame just to save shepherd’s ass the first time
I don't consider him a villain, at the end of the day he's only there to collect a paycheck as he is a gun for hire afterall. But with the gate incident, he disobeyed orders to give TF141 and Alejandro a chance to walk away, he has morales himself as he highly respected TF141.
Didn’t he disobey orders by shooting them and detaining a bunch of Mexicans, they were ordered to met them leave
I've argued this several times, especially giving them the chance to walk away and not taking the kill shot.
The *only* issue is Graves, over the radio, does order to kill Soap when he's pinned.
I'm generally on the side of Graves is ultimately a *good* guy (as good as you can be as a merc).
As Ghost said "Fill Graves" no sir, I don't like him.
“Lying Lt”
Graves bundles need to be added
He was in the MW2 Season 5 Battle Pass
@@TheSoapontheWii360 I know but why isn’t he available in a bundle but I can play as Rick Grimes 😒
@@Heheyeahbwoi $$$ 💵
@@TheSoapontheWii360 I bet any money if they released a Graves bundle without the NVG it would be best selling bundle in the store
Why do i have the feeling He's the son of Adler from cold war...🕶🤔
I also thought they were related when he was first revealed
I don’t think he’s evil, necessarily. He is after all, a mercenary. Sure he’s done some very questionable things but who’s to not say that he could get a redemption. Another good example: Arthur Morgan. He was what many people would traditionally call “evil”, yet managed to redeem himself as well.
Arthur Morgan is completely different, he’s a bank robber who wanted to redeem himself, graves is just a mercenary and him turning evil was due to bad, contrived writing, the exact opposite of Arthur
Graves will be the final option to defeat Makarov when some TF 141 members and Lawsell will die and also when there will be no other option than that. He will help the rest of the team in the last mission of the next MW like Yuri in OG MW3.
He will sacrifice i think for the greater good.
Why is he a final option he’s already helping them
Grave embodies the "Soldier following orders" archetype. He does have somewhat of a moral compass with his care and compassion for his men and his somewhat willingness to work with TF141 and smoothening out his soured relations with it's members. Honestly one of my fave characters introduced in the rebooted continuity alongside Valeria.
One thing you missed was while Shadow Company was attacked transporting the ballistic missiles is that Graves was pleading with Shepard to send in a QRF because his team was outgunned & getting killed. I do think Graves' intentions are good.
I feel Graves is another moral grey like Captain Price was in the first MW reboot. He can be mistaken for a moral evil since Makarov is also evil but his plans always get thwarted unlike Graves and Shepherd's.
Graves and shepherd’s plans always get thwarted as well
When he said “No, absolutely not sir.” in court he was right, Alejandro decided to take action, and only his Contractors open fire, Graves was only watching the fight while pointing his M4. So no he wasn’t evil. He gave us a chance to leave and Alejandro was like “Nuh uh.”
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To quote the clone troopers from Star Wars, "Good Soldiers Follow Orders."
Graves was hired to do a job and he followed through with his orders. He was a Merc so he was just chasing that paycheck from Shepherd.
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We were first introduced to him killing General Gobrani in the 1st mission with the guided missile.
Graves is simply a Mercenary (and therefore guided mostly by the money he's paid for the job he's hired to do) so he's guided solely by the situational ethics of each mission.
As a soldier (or those that have to be involved in, or experience horrendous and horrific events as part of job/duties) you have to learn to compartmentalize or lose your sanity. For Mercenaries that compartmentalization takes on entirely new levels.
So Graves is neither good, nor evil. He's mainly a tool (mechanism) utilized by the one paying his way.
Yeah, I think he’s technically telling the truth about his orders against TF 141. I would guess that Shepard wanted them eliminated outright. 141, Los Vaqueros, and everyone in between. Graves gave them all a chance to walk away unharmed. He thanked them for their service, told them to simply leave the gate, and even said “Let’s not do this” when Ghost became confrontational. And as you said, he didn’t kill Los Vaqueros, he detained them.
In that sense, yes he did not act on Shepard’s orders.
hope all is doing well in your life Ink
Lmk bro I’m down for whatever
Graves is a mercenary/operator and CEO of shadow company. He does what he's paid to do but when his reputation for himself or shadow company are at stake, he'll do whatever it takes to protect it🤷♂️
Anti-hero will be the right thing to call him
Everyone forgot about the rampage Shadow Company went on through the town right after Soap and Ghost escape ;-;
Haha the thumbnail “Gaves” 😂
His Avatar has the best lines!!
You're overthinking this, he's a reg bad guy
Commander phillip graves is new shepherad
MW2019 and MWII Campaign was just freaking AWESOME. WTH was MWIII?
I have to agree with a lot of people here in the comment section. Graves isn't good or bad he is morally grey, he is basically an anti hero. He does things for the greater good just in more questionable ways. Also don't forget get the dudes a mercenary.
His priority is his men 🫡
I still don't get how Nolan and Konni knew about the missiles unless Shepard told Konni group about them, or Nolan infiltrated Shadow Company long before. (The latter, I think, is more likely)
He’s shepherds lackey, I hope gets a redemption arch.
Graves leading Shadow Company, killed civilians in hunt for Soap and Ghost in Las Almas, Mexico. Graves have to atone for that. Graves is evil for the most part with a dash of good.
It may have been his men who went off the reservation killing civilians. Graves has often shown concern for collateral damage
@@khoward9512 no he hasn’t, even 141 don’t even care about collateral
@@Deathmare235What about the time he let the women and children live?
It was made clear since the introduction of Las Almas that there are cartel members controlling the city.
@@khoward9512 Keywords you used: "his men". Those men were under Graves’ command/leadership and responsibility. He may have shown concern in other instances but Graves did not show any concern of collateral damage by letting his men kill civilians in Las Almas.
@@Deathmare235 Now I gotta call 🧢 on what you said respectfully. TF 141 always cared about collateral damage.
He was such a bro until he needed to turn bad because the “plot” demanded it, I wish that he was also betrayed alongside tf 141
Graves seems like a good leader I’d work for him
Hi dose he do bad or evil things yes but so dose tf141 not mutch of a different beetle graves and tf141
😭😭😭😭 ur grammar 😭😭😭
@@mrankles7465 and I took my time trying to understand 😂😭
@@derkaiser16 same here bro 😭😭😭
He just don’t wanna get got by capt P
Graves is the new sepherd from the OG cod
I just want that soap skin so fucking bad damnit. Aka "NIGHT HAWK" soap
He runs a pmc he it ain't necessarily evil just greed since he gets money from it.
PMCs are usually good though
I'd say he's more like an on and off frenemy
Just a friend
@Deathmare235 before he betrayed them
@@AncientKing9197bad writing, and after the betrayal he’s just friendly
@Deathmare235 No, he's not despite them working together in the mw3. They're just partners, and partners aren't necessarily friends
6:14, Outcome: Tank Go Boom.
He just takes orders he didn’t wanna turn on 141
So he is good btw not evil
I agree with you ink
Graves a good guy in his heart
Graves was a Marsoc Marine before he formed Shadow Company
Uh oh not Philip Gaves
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He's a MERC. Ain't two ways about it. Loyal to his crew and loyal to the highest bidder.
Thing is, you don't bid with just cash. Shepherd burnt his crew and no amount of cold hard cash's gonna make up the bid.
Graves may be a merc but he’s also a patriot, so it’s hard to really classify him as a villain entirely. He’s more of an anti-hero who does what’s necessary to get the job done
Philip Graves in Senpai.
He is a leader of a PMC. Their job is to do what is required for their pay check. He did tell TF141 to leave and gave them a chance. Only issue is its coming from Shepherd, and Graves for his job has to develop the show no remorse attitude. Given that he still gave 141 a chance to walk away
Don’t think 141 minded that too much, it was mainly the base and soldiers being detained that was the problem
@@Deathmare235 yes, Shepherd gave him the green light but Graves knew they wouldn’t like this. Again he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do for that pay check
He’s loyal to a fault. Too loyal if you ask me.
And let’s be real graves didn’t wanna kill task force 141 he gave them a choice as many as possible if were being honest there he didn’t lie in the court room idk why people confused #wewantgraves
If they would have told TF141 that they lost a missile, then TF141 wouldn’t have turned against them or be disgusted with Shadow. They would have tracked the missile down. Boom, MW has been cut down short.
Guess that’s the problem, the already short story is cut down even more also I’m pretty all of the shadow company missions are filler, they had no impact to the main story other than los vaqueros and shadow company being out of the final mission
Graves the goat can’t wait for his return
Well at this stage he’s probably the same as Cpt. Price. He’s done bad things but his intentions are to do good. Price intends to do good and help and yet he killed Shepherd.
Keep it up Ink, you’ve been carry Cods story for quite a bit now. Without you I honestly would not care about anything in the story since like BO3 which was the beginning of disappointing stories
Graves isn’t evil , he was hired …
He deserves to be in the store
We do know what Graves did prior to SC. He was in the Marine Corps and when he got out he formed SC. Great video though!
He's just doing his job like everyone else
Graves goes where the money is🗣️
He’s not evil, he’s in it for the money
please make a video/videos on infinite warfare, the campaign is so good
Wassup
An example for evil is Roman Barkov. In Farah's childhood flashback, Barkov used chemical attacks on Urzikstan civilians killing everyone around including, men women and children. Graves on the other hand is bad not necessary evil. You can hear early in the mission ALONE that Shadow Company spared a child to witness what was coming next.
I see holes in this argument as shepard is right, he did not order in any way for graves to attack task force 141. In the story itself they where being called off and graves fired back after task force 141 went at him. He did intentionally want to kill soup in that scene he couldnt because he was holding one of his soldiers hostage thus he could shoot him (most of the rest is plot armor but to explain in in lore) Soup fires at graves which doesnt give him the opportunity as he has to take cover. He also DID lead the genocide as graves lead shadow company. Lets not forget shadow conpany is a pmc company hired by shepard SO if graves hated this plan at any point he would have been able to delay it by taking it up with his superiors. He also be littles task force 141 and claims that war is what is keeping him in buisness. So no he is not a good guy as he had every opertunity not to do what he did yet still did it.
What is your outro song called?
Technically the first time we see graves is in the first mission of mw2 when you cruise missile that Iranian dude
Graves is just a person who’s doing his job
"Is Philip Gaves Evil?"
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This MW3 needs to be remade with a better & longer campaign
It really sucks how there is no mil sim operator skins.😢
Hes a gun for hire all he wants is money and self-preservation
Anti hero like Deadpool and many more.
He a good guy
He's not evil or good. Just a man with a mission. Sometimes ally, sometimes foe.
He’s evil. Because he only covers himself so he gets away with it and betrayed Shepard by putting all of the blame on him. He’s a snake and a sneaky son of a gun
Is Philip Gaves evil?
No, he is Take.. 😂
Simple contract killer he gets objectives n he completes them
Dudes not evil hes a military contractor (mercenary) that doesnt make him evil it makes him loyal to the highest bidder...
He’s a contractor plain and simple
So he’s a good guy or a bad guy?
@@Deathmare235 neither
@@undyingwolf but he’s a contractor, my guess is he’s a good guy
He is what he has to be! The money is what he is after and that dictates his actions.
hes the best godam leader of a PMC ive ever had the pleasure of serving under YUPYUP
Anti villain or anti hero at best and worst. But my gta verse makes graves only good for siding with the task force and captain price and Laswell. But he’s too aligned with a group over being a doer of justification and realistic corporate mentality being. The fact that graves choose his task force friends over shadow company executives and mercenaries. As well as lack of foresight of his company which is infiltrated by the enemy groups led by Perseus. A shadow cabal groups who want a new world order. Maybe more of an anti world order.
He simply follows the money.
He’s a man doing his job. He’s a pmc more than that the head of a pmc he has money and his men on his mind. That’s all he cares about making a living and bringing his boys home safe.
I mean. He was controlling a tank that killed myself (as soap) many times. Like many many many time
Kinds my fault it was so much play veteran on the first run but uh yeah. Definitely used lethal force on soap and Rudy
I mean he was apart of massacring that whole town. You hear him talking and authorizing execution. He’s trying to play both sides
Graves is quite clearly evil and not only is he evil he is also power hungry. We don’t know if General Shepherd have orders for the execution of civilians in Las Almas and it wouldn’t Benefit Shepherd but it would benefit Graves by giving and his PMC control. More control = more money for him and the mercs.