Top 5 reasons you can't blame Barry Bonds... ...for being Barry Bonds Very interesting piece by ESPN Classic on Major League Baseball's home run leader
I sent Barry bonds a letter when I was like 12 years old and I was sent an autographed baseball card back. So I don't care what anyone says. That was one of the dopest moments as a kid. He was my hero in baseball
Glad someone actually gives him credit for not always being a jerk. You probably approached him and expressed yourself well. When people talk about players not giving a kid an autograph they dont mention that the guy was trying to eat dinner and that the selfish parents put them up to it without coaching them on a dignified way to do it.
You seem to be telling this same story on every post cause, you said the same shyt on a José Conseco post! Did they BOTH sign your cards and respond to your letters🤔
@@chrisf8855 you obviously don’t know anything about baseball to say that. Steroids don’t teach you how to swing a bat period. That’s as stupid as thinking somebody thinking they can take steroids barely workout and come out looking like Arnold or 7x Mr.Olympia Ronnie Coleman. No you have to put the work in to practice technique.
@@collinexner6957 you obviously know nothing about baseball saying that. You got the wrong sport go watch basketball. This isn’t a sport we’re one person can take over the game.
Let's see, Barry Bonds' accomplishments without steroids: Still MLB's only 500/500 man Still MLB's only 400/400 man Still 3x MVP minimum Still MLB's 2nd 40/40 man Still 14x All Star Still MLB player of the 90s Still 8x Gold Glover Still holds an NL batting title Still MLB's first intentionally walked batter with bases loaded. Still most walked batter in history. The list goes on... Cooperstown is a joke until Bonds gets in.
Cheating ups all your stats. If one pop fly a week goes out you move from .250 hitter to .300 with 24 homers. Which was like Palmeiros progression. Instead of flattening your swing and being a contact hitter, you shoot up and your undercut becomes dingers.
without steroids he would do none of this besides the batting title and 40/40 club if that was even without roids cause he was said to have started in 97 but it could of been sooner for all we know he was a slap hitter with speed and average power maybe he makes 400 with his normal body but all thee walks records where cause of roids and who says he gets any of those mvps or that many all star games without his power very bad logic man
If sabermetrics had been as mainstream in the 90s as they are today, Bonds would have, or at least should have, won 7 MVPs prior to his alleged PED years, based on Wins Above Replacement. He's the best player ever and it's not particularly close.
Bonds grew up watching how Mays and his father were treated by the writers. It made him wary of being to open. He let his on field performance do the talking for him.
When Willie moved to San Francisco, he wasn't allowed to buy a house wherever he wanted. When he did anyway, someone tossed a rock (or brick) through his window). It wasn't just reporters.
Do you hear these writers? "Wille Mays treated people like dirt" MAYS?, treated people like dirt?... And it doesn't surprise me that our own local writers were the ones to try to assassinate Bonds... Dickey, Ratto etc. were all a bunch of pot bellied envious twerps. I used read or hear what they had to say, and they were always negative, bordering on toxic.
Bonds wasn’t even born yet when Willie Mays was playing! You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you? And when was Mays ever dissed by the press? Never!
Barry Bonds was highly upset at the media for the treatment of his father, Bobby Bonds who replaced Willie Mays. Despite being the only player of his time, only to be surpassed by his son Barry on the 400 home runs and 400 steals, yet the media ripped him for strikeouts and whatever comparisons one should not even make with Willie Mays. It ruined Bobby's family life and drove him to drink. Steroids was legal in baseball, take out 3/4 of who has been inducted in the Hall of fame for steroid use in the last several years. I never thought of him as a jerk though you sports writers who possibly played little league baseball are real jerks!
you nailed it! he also didn't trust the media as well because of how they treated his godfather Willie Mays as well. The press is a bunch of sycophants. Barry also didn't have all the big corporate sponsors protecting his image a la Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods - both of those guys are amoral assholes but the press had to suck up to them. Barry never sold out. Say one thing about him, he was authentic and no BS. My brother and I just met him personally at a Golden State Warrior game and this cat couldn't have been more sincere and amiable. He was calling the media a bunch of liars long before we are all (those of us that have IQ's above room temperature) now seeing how blatantly obvious how right he how right he was.
I had the same experience and I met him twice 15 yrs apart and he was the same both times. I met him during BP prior to Pac Bell Opening up. They were doing team workouts and no one other than the construction personnel were there. He talked to us about hitting and changing his swing for the new park. How he felt about it and more. Then after 10 mins or more he daid bye and ran off. The next time at my sons football game. He graduated from the same high school (Lynn Swan, Craig Jeffries. Tom Brady) and he was personable there as well. You'd be tired of living in a fishbowl as well if you had his life. He's seen from a child with his father and then lived only to be told the same thing he saw and expeienced by the greatest baseball player ever, Willie Mays.
I agree - remove all steroid cheaters from baseball, especially those who lied about using it if you think it was “legal” it was not. It was not legal for your local gym gorilla and it wasn’t legal for superstar athletes.
This is so dated, you know why. Mike Piazza admitted to using andro in his own book. Bagwell admitted to using andro to the Houston Chronicle. Now they both stopped using after the 98 season, but guess what. They are in baseball's hall of fame. Great job writers, way to play the hypocrite. But they leave someone like Fred McGriff (no suspicion) out when he played the same position as Bagwell during the same era. Is Bagwell a HoFer and Piazza, sure but so is McGriff.
I could care less if Bonds get in, his legend will grow like Shoeless Joe if he doesn't get it. They will have to keep writing about it year after year. But i care about what I saw on the field, and that's more important than a museum. I am more upset about Fred McGriff not being in who has numbers comparable to Jeff Bagwell. He has more HR, RBI, H, TB and a WS ring to top it off. They had the same number of silver sluggers and all star appearances and with McGriff there wasn't any suspicion of PEDs. But I care more for Pete Rose in the HoF, than Bonds, because look at all these gambling betting shows on tv right now. put him in as a player not a manager1
Dude what are you talking about ? The EXACT same conversations were happening with these players despite andro being over the counter. It was Bonds continued use . Like don’t baseball fans know what Balco actually was? Not to mention, you even implying Bagwell is in the same convo is actually pretty absurd tbh. He’s got a golden glove, only 1st basemen to ever hit 400 home runs and steal 200 bags, and hit over .300 the same amount of times in 4 less seasons. Hit hitting numbers are better on aggregate in 1000 fewer plate appearances. Not to mention when you typed this, it was being discussed already Fred getting in. And he was actually inducted.
Barry Bonds at bat from the 90's onward was the closest I'll ever get to what it would've been like to watch Ted Williams at bat. Barry Bonds' plate discipline was just awesome.
@@lukehauser1182 juice doesn’t teach you how to swing a bat just like steroid doesn’t give you a body like Thor’s in the new movie love and thunder. I you have to put in work meaning a lot of practicing your swinging technique.
No doubt. The parallels between them is remarkable, though Bonds would have been there without the doping, and Lance probably wouldn't have ever been more than an inspirational footnote if he had ridden clean.
Number 1 reason to not blame Bonds is that so many pitchers were also juicing that you could arguably say that he was just trying to adapt to his times and to the new methods being used by his fellow competitors, especially the pitchers.
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He has always been one of my very favorite players! I never cared what others say bad about him he’s simply a great baseball player. My favorite players are from the Tigers. But after them it’s Barry Bonds.
Look, the truth is that the media treats players like sh*t. Barry was a guy who didn't stand for it. He gave back what they gave him. As far as his relationship with his teammates goes, he was tough to get along with, but when you can hit like that, I'll put up with it.
Look at those walk totals...even Greg Maddux said that Bonds was the easiest player to pitch to...he was so much better than everyone else, the choice was simple...walk him.
Lee Cowell, i would agree as Bonds was winning Gold Gloves and has a lot of stolen bases as well as his hitting titles, but it is debatable with Babe Ruth who also pitched as well as fielded and hit
Gary Smith I actually met him once. I had premium seats to the 1992 NLCS game 7 @ Fulton country stadium, I also had access to the tunnel leading to the visitors clubhouse. After the Braves won that dramatic game to clinch the pennant, I ventured out of curiosity to the Pirates clubhouse. Their was literally no security stopping me, basically somebody with no credentials from walking right up to the door of the clubhouse. I could tell they were all hurting so I figured I would just say “nice try” or something to that effect and just move on. I saw Gary Redus and Jim Rooker in tears, then I saw Bonds talking to someone, no tears in his eyes, I patted him on the back and said “good try”, he said “thanks” then went back to his conversation with whoever he was talking about. I thought for some unknown stranger who unexpectedly walks up to him he was a cordial as you’d expect in that situation. I also remember feeling like “this guy isn’t about the team at all. I also remember seeing a light skinned black woman on sitting on a car, by herself as I was headed back from their clubhouse, I’m almost sure it was Halle Berry, who was dating Dave Justice at the time.
Bonds brought it on himself by being an insufferable piece of shit. So insufferable his college teammates wanted him kicked off the team even though he was their best player. You can't get more cancerous than that. He was not a victim. Stop acting like he was.
4:52 where Jeff Pearlman says "Bonds never lifted a team to a higher level" is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. It gets completely refuted at the 9 minute mark! Bonds was RIDICULOUS in the 2002 postseason!
Bonds almost single handedly made those early 2000s Giants teams championship contenders. Sure, guys like Jeff Kent and Jason Schmidt were solid players but without Bonds those teams win maybe 70-75 games.
jsXanatos I did get that. But the way the soundbite is edited, they make it sound like a definitive statement, which, as I mentioned above, is refuted later in the piece.
We all know his Giants years after 98 are under suspicion of roids. We know hes a great player but much of the Giants numbers after 98 are tainted as a Reds fan I know in 1990 he was a choking dog.
I grew up a Giants fan. He is why I came to love baseball the way I do today. The argument that he was “a poor role model” is BS. He didn’t offend the kids, he offended the stuffy baseball writers. Best player to ever do it
@@lukehauser1182 remind me what does that have to do with his style of play. You gonna tell me MJ is a nice guy no he isn’t but it’s ok but I couldn’t imagine having that amount of eyes in your life your entire life and neither do you.
The best player I have ever seen in person play ball. He was so much better then anyone else on the field it was shocking. I thought as a young kid this is what is was like to see Ruth, Mays, Dimaggio, Williams, Clemente Etc.If a player like that is not in the HOF which is supposed to house the best players why have it? It’s not the hall that houses the players that are nicest to the media.
Bonds is a total asshole but that’s not why he’s not in the HOF. He cheated by using steroids for years. That’s why he’s not in the Hall. And never will be. The fact that he was an asshole doesn’t help his case.
The fact he batted .471 during the 2002 WS with 4 hr with .700 obp 1.294 slg and an insane 1.994 OPS all while being walked half his at bats doesn’t sound like he didn’t produce in the postseason. Reporters sound a bit biased to me.
If he did no steroids, he wouldn't have been in the position to be intentionally walked, because he wouldn't have become the home run hitter that the steroids turned him into.
Bonds admitted to the BALCO grand jury that he took them. He lied and qualified it by saying unknowingly and was duly tried and convicted of perjury for it.
@@RobandDaveLPs That is 100% true. We all do respect..Hank Aaron did consider Barry Bonds as the Home Run King. If you going to say that steroid users never be in the Hall of Fame? I think a lot of people really forget that Mike Piazza Jeff Bagwell and Pudge Rodriguez did made it to the hall of fame because they're steroid users.. The only biggest mistake is the media made it happened.
Being a jerk should not be part of the discussion. Ty Cobb was a jerk and so were many in the Hall. Bonds absolutely was the best I ever saw. The question is did he do steroids? Or does that even matter when 100’s all did. Caught or not the numbers across the game were so ready ridiculous. To me the commissioner and baseball knew everyone was juicing. Shame on them.
I agree, Bonds is unquestionably the best to hold a bat. Just look at his single season onbase plus slugging numbers, unreal. I do think there's a difference between greatness and being the best player. Like Derek Jeter will probably have a greater legacy than Barry because the narrative of Jeter's career is much more appealing than Bonds'.
he was a hall of famer before the steroids. I've had a love for baseball my whole life. I will say he's one of the best I ever saw. he got older, he still wanted to compete at a high level. same with A Rod. they did what they thought they needed to do. it's a shame bonds, Rodriguez, and Clemens won't have their day at the podium at the HOF. steroids don't help you hit a curve ball.
If he was a Hall of Famer before he took the steroids, then why would he take them and ruin his chances for the Hall of Fame? That is a lot worse than Pete Rose betting on his team to win games, and he's still not in the Hall of Fame.
For everyone that claims he was a bad person, there are 100 other people for everyone person that loved the guy! Everyone expects athletes to be these amazing great character guys but, that is NOT a requirement for being the best athlete in the world!
Old video? Because that 02 post season was amazing for this guy. What bonds has done is marvelous, before peds, marvelous. To be enhanced, when other were also enhanced, and to be that much better than everyone.... open and shut case for the hall. I mean greenies for hank, corked bats for the rbi king. Come one writers, get out of your feelings. You disgrace that hall....
@@albundy4163 bonds has too much skill and accolades compared to those clowns in the hall. they need to start a whole new hall of fame for only bonds to be in until someone else that good at baseball comes along, then they can be in it too. but until then, barry is in a class of his own and as much as you hate it, its the god damn truth with some cheese on it.
Being from the Bay Area and life long Giants fan. The ‘94 strike season broke my heart as a fan. Baseball is in our blood if your a fan of the game and you understand what how deeply the love reaches. McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, Palmiero, Bonds and so many more didn’t destroy the game by their actions. As a fan I enjoyed that era which brought back a joy and fun for the game. Old men either write tragedies or triumphs with their words. The Game triumphed and the love has returned. Bonds was our Achilles beautiful and flawed and the ‘02 season was his master work.
@@td1158 your right. bonds should be in the hall of toilets, because he is full of shit. he is an ass in his own mind and ours. he was not voted into the all century team. why? they new then he started to roid up. he would of hit his 550 homers and still made the hall, its the records he wouldnt of broken. he is a loser and if you feel otherwise so are you
bonds hit almost 500 homers after age of 30, 350 after age 35. giants lost to the weakest world series team to ever win the 02 angels. not one good players on that angel team. not one hall of famer. only the 88 dodgers compare. so bonds doesnt deserve jack shit. palmerio hit 3,000 hits, over 500 homers , lots of rbi, great defender. he is not in...complain about that
capralean As an objective Barry Bonds fan I've always said the exact same thing because he probably couldn't believe that 2 obviously geeked out of their minds on roids inferior players in Mark McGuire & Sammy Sosa was getting so much media acclaim that he said to himself ok I'm going to use roids myself & instead of hitting 70 or 66 home runs like McGuire & Sosa I'm going to hit 90 home runs but due to him being walked an historic amount of times he settled for 73 home runs.
@@AE-vu3nt and you are wrong. There was plenty of evidence. And that's why people hate him. Mark and Sammy fessed up and moved on. He's still a narcissistic sociopath like always. Fuck Barry Bonds
Bill James said in his 1998 book that by the time Barry was retired (assuming he was on a downward spiral at that point, due to his age) that he would be ranked in the top 5 in baseball history due to his domination of the league for so long, and his abilities in hitting, walks, fielding and base running. Statistically, he should have had six or seven MVPs BEFORE he ever took steroids! @@KHLB516
Canseco said 80% of players were juicing in the early 90s...by the late 90s? Maybe more. I knew an insider who saw it was 90%. Pitchers even more than hitters......@Trzn
Great documentary. Very fair on both sides. I’m a huge Giants fan and I loved the Bonds years, but I also know he was a prima donna (although he was very nice to my daughter whose ball he signed). As for being a jerk to the media, who cares?? Much of the media (not all) are a-holes themselves just looking for a negative story to write. Bonds was a lone wolf, an introvert, and a perfectionist and the media never understood him - they liked guys that smiled and danced for them like Sosa. Based on the numbers alone, _even before 2000_ , Barry should have been elected to the HOF on the first ballot. It’s a joke not having the most feared hitter of all time in a shrine where there a bunch of chumps like Rizzuto and Mazeroski who were only admitted because they won a lot of titles on dominant teams. And they were (wink wink) scrappy white guys who played the “right way”, whatever that means. Also I do think there was a degree of racism involved, and that desire to hate on a guy who was so obviously great AND confident. Some people forget that racism reared its ugly head a lot when Hank Aaron was chasing and then broke broke The Babe’s all time record.
Whenever I think of the steroid era I think of Jose Cansecos quote; "anabolics make average players great, and great players incredible" and to me Barry was a great player turned greatest of all time by the juice. There's a reason why he's the 7 time MVP and the countless others that used aren't.
Jack Young Please name the date of Barry Bonds’ failed drug test. We’re waiting. Oh, that’s right, Bonds never failed a drug test. Just a media witch hunt cause he didn’t kiss the media’s a.
I think there was a time when Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test either, there's ways to beat the test. Doesn't mean you didn't do it, just that you know how to get around it.
@@ericclaeyborn7008 this is the dumbest comment I have ever read “ hey u were already the greatest player ever but since u took steroids late in your career and became a baseball alien because the league refused to ban them now ur not the greatest “ I have a question for u Eric, are max scherzer Justin verlander and Clayton Keyshaw not the best pitchers of this era and are they also cheaters and should be banned from the hall of fame? Because they were the best for a long time then worse pitchers started using foreign substances and the league did nothing to stop them they started using foreign substances as well Are they non hall of fame worthy cheaters too Eric?
They need to bring this show back. I watched it religiously. The first subject they should cover is the top five reasons you can't blame the officials for the Saints losing to the Rams.
As the years pass, the more I look at his peak years, the more I am amazed. If Secretariat was the Greatest horse ever, who can deny there has never been a more dominant athlete (doped or undoped) than Barry Bonds in the early 21st century. What he did is mindboggling even if you could suppose there is a drug (which there isn't) that improves your athletic ability 50%. What if a walk had advanced all baserunners one base (which would be a good rule for baseball to adopt by the way). He would have either hit 90 homers or hit .400, one or the other. What a transcendent player he truly was. Maybe not a nice guy, but certainly an historic baseball performer.
Bonds is the best player who was abused severely by sports reporters and by people who judge a person by hearsay and accusations that were never proved or substantiated in a court of law or even a simple blood test ! He has broken every HR record plus his many many other baseball records have set him heads above other great players, but people who don’t know better or just follow the rumors of a bad press still hate the man . They said in this story about him that the Giants were just counting the days until Bonds was through! It sure doesn’t seem to have turned out that way since they have placed his plaque on the wall and now they’re retiring his number . It seems the Giants couldn’t be prouder of what Barry Bonds has done for the Them! He will always be the Best Baseball Player that I have had the pleasure of watching play the game!
Barry Bonds broke every record BECAUSE HE WAS USING PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS. Had he not used them, his body wouldn't have lasted as long, he wouldn't have had the ability to easily hit the Home Runs he was breaking records with. Barry Bonds was a cheater. He used performance enhancing drugs which brought him an extended career, higher numbers, better contracts, better endorsement deals. The records that he broke were by men who did not have to cheat to get them. Barry Bonds STOLE their legacy. Barry Bonds lied to and cheated the fans out of a clean game. Barry Bonds sullied the sport of baseball. And he did all of this having already achieved numbers and a career great enough to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. F Barry Bonds. He deserves his legacy of shame. And this is from a former fan of his.
Top 20 before the roids is a joke man top 100 ya ok i could see that but he would never of come close to top 20 without the roids carrying him hus last 10+ years playing
Sirisaac Newton pure hearsay with not a stitch of prove! He didn’t cheat anybody, he was the best player that could do it all ! Nolan Ryan was a old man by baseball standards should we take away his no hitter records?
@Angry Grizzly Cobb and either Speaker or Hornsby were accused of throwing games on purpose, but the case was dropped because baseball couldn't endure another scandal after 1919. There was at least as much evidence to convict them as there is to say Bonds took steroids. And there was no clear rule against steroids at that time...plus 80-90% of players, including pitchers, were using them. Baseball ahd along history of tolerating, and even encouraging, drug use. Pitcher Tom Hose said that steroids were around in the 60s when he played, but were called by other names....
Definitely. I came up with several baseball lists on my own. One of my favorite ones was about 5 reasons why you can't blame the Brooklyn Dodgers for losing Roberto Clemente.
Okay seriously. That just was a suggestion. That wasn't called for at all dude. You're being an a**hole and NO, I DON'T watch "gay anime videos" And I wasn't taking to you either. It was to slaymyface135
Bonds is objectively the best player to ever grace the field of baseball. We’ll have contenders in the coming years like Trout or Ohtani (if he stays healthy), and there are arguments for former greats (Mays, Ted Williams). He was a HOF player before he even signed with the Giants. He might suck as a human, and he also allegedly cheated, but so did everyone else at the time. And he was miles better than them. Should have been a 1st ballot HOFer; hopefully he gets in this year or next year with his last year of eligibility.
Does anyone remember Julian Edelman busted for PED use? The very next year he wins Superbowl MVP and there is not a single mention of it. Nobody has ever been treated the way Bonds has. Maybe Jon Jones, but he has had much bigger offenses like his hit-and-run. Barry was just not nice to the media.
Football is not as much of a stats driven sport. The stats in baseball are how we determine greatness, and if your stats are overblown because you cheated, none of your stats count.
Barry Bonds, plain and simple, was a CHOKER! When Barry Bonds played for the Pirates during the early 1990's, he obviously had MVP stats during the regular season, but, when it came time to demonstrate that talent in the playoffs he would go AWOL! The truest measure of greatness of any professional athlete in his chosen sport is "how did he perform when the stakes were at their highest"! Unfortunately, Barry Bonds would 'shrivel up and die' during the Post Season when his team needed him the most! For that very reason, he'll forever be labeled a "CHOKER" in the eyes of many Pirate fans!
Bud was an enormous piece of shit. He was part of the owners collusion towards the players before he was commissioner. Then handpicked as a successor after the commissioners before him kept collusion around. When that scheme failed and the owners wanted to cry poor they had the labor stoppage in 1994. Yes the players went on strike but once you see how much money the owners screwed players out of before that strike it justifies their position somewhat. Especially with their next idea being a salary cap so they could just do collusion legally. (I’m not 100% a fan of guaranteed contracts though but that’s a story for another day.) Then Sellg just sat there and ignored the whole steroid scandal because of the owners needed the long ball to get butts back into the seats after the strike. I’m sure there’s other things I’m missing (someone would say not letting Pete Rose back into baseball though I can see both sides arguments on that one) but needless to say Bud blows.
And yet, 12 years after he left the game, (Still The Most Feared Hitter In All Of Baseball), the petty little writers with their little hurt feelings have made sure that Bonds isn’t in the Hall. HR Ball #756 is though. This whole era ruined the game for a lot of fans. And it’s the writers fault more than anything. NOT BARRY BONDS!
Writers don't enhance their writing abilities if they take steroids, but baseball players hit baseballs farther if they take steroids. Not sure how writers were responsible for baseball players choosing to do steroids?
"we the media, the gatekeepers didn't like him". Hell, Griffey Jr. was also a bit of a jerk, but no one complains. Unless they assault you, or just absolutely 100% go out of their way to tirelessly berate you, then I could care less about a media person's feelings. Being in the media you get to say player X, has sucked, should be traded/suspended/fined/cut/retire... When it is thrown back at you many in the media turn around and cry foul.
I know right? Often times the media would suggest the team to sign that certain player. If it doesn't work out, the media would crap on the team for signing the guy to begin with, despite being the ones to suggest it.
I grew up watching Bonds, Sosa, Griffey and McGwire....so many other 90's greats and Bonds got the shaft media absolutely killed his chances at any greatness. Pushed him and when he lashed out they crucified him for it...I don't like the Roids era but you still have to work to get that good besides these players were all great before using (not saying all the players used) Bonds was a hitting monster and its sad so many clubs cheated the man out of hitting with all those walks. The league should have stepped in to stop this disgraceful treatment. after the 90's I stopped watching baseball as the sport is a joke baseball died in the mid 2000's today we have half the talent twice the greed and loads of whiners. All players care about is $$$$ it's ridiculous the amounts these kids are getting and all for 1/4 of the talent all the players before them had. This is why baseball is dying attendance is at an all time low all over the league there are teams in so much trouble they could be AAA teams. I miss the old days
1) Willie Mays had this "Say, Hey" personality! You mean to tell me Willie had another side to him; an "entitled" side Bonds observed? 2) The '98 Yanks, the greatest team in MLB history, were also victims of not getting the attention as McGwire and Sosa!
The Yankees got an unbelievable amount of attention, and deservedly so...they won 125 games that year, without losing one in the playoffs! Probaly the best team performace ever....But Sosa and McGwire were one hell of a story....as was the Seattle team of 2001, who got great press, thank in part, to Ichiro's unique play.
@@joemarshall4226 Trust me, I know all too well about Sosa/McGwire being "one hell of a story." My TV went out when Mac hit 62, and a week later, the president of Time Warner Cable sent a letter to folk apologizing for the neighborhood power outage!
What backwards world do you live in where two guys make their greatest of fame from steroids? But you write, 'well, at least in the long run he's not as bad as Armstrong?! Who knows when Armstrong started taking them, and he were a great cyclist with or without steroids, like Barry were a great Baseball player with or without steroids. They both cheated. None of it is a lesser of two evils to decide from. They both were cheaters no matter what in reality.
There's a Lance Armstrong movie starring Ben Foster that tells the whole story. Lance was doing steroids from the get go, but really enhanced them after he got through his cancer.
Both things can be true. "You're your own worst enemy" and "you're more likely than not of being a product of your environment". Can't absolve Selig and the MLB in general for the Steroid Era.
When I was a kid I hated Barry Bonds. I thought he was a villain and a bully who shit all over the media because he knew they had to stand there and take it. I don't normally even care how players treat the media but there was something about Bonds that was more than just not liking cameras in his face, he made a point to be degrading.
well yeah. the media degraded his dad all the time. dad was a drinker. they treated his dad like shit. why wouldnt he make it a point to be degrading after how they treated his dad
The media was horrible to him they would do anything and everything to piss him off and get a good story think about greatest player in history yelled at the media and is a horrible guy that’s headline news every day
I sent Barry bonds a letter when I was like 12 years old and I was sent an autographed baseball card back. So I don't care what anyone says. That was one of the dopest moments as a kid. He was my hero in baseball
Glad someone actually gives him credit for not always being a jerk. You probably approached him and expressed yourself well. When people talk about players not giving a kid an autograph they dont mention that the guy was trying to eat dinner and that the selfish parents put them up to it without coaching them on a dignified way to do it.
He was a hall of famer before PED's in my book.
Pretty cool
You seem to be telling this same story on every post cause, you said the same shyt on a José Conseco post! Did they BOTH sign your cards and respond to your letters🤔
@@vladimirjackson1272 i knew i wasn’t crazy i was like damn that sounds familiar lol
Barry Bonds is THE most dangerous hitter to ever step into the batter's box, EVER.
No, the steroids were.
Yet zero rings and a whole bunch of roids
there was one year brady anderson was the most feared hitter
@@chrisf8855 you obviously don’t know anything about baseball to say that. Steroids don’t teach you how to swing a bat period. That’s as stupid as thinking somebody thinking they can take steroids barely workout and come out looking like Arnold or 7x Mr.Olympia Ronnie Coleman. No you have to put the work in to practice technique.
@@collinexner6957 you obviously know nothing about baseball saying that. You got the wrong sport go watch basketball. This isn’t a sport we’re one person can take over the game.
Barry Bonds is my favorite MLB player of all time. People lie, numbers dont. He needs to be in the Hall of Fame.
@mr fantastic then they need to take a lot of people out
@mr fantastic actually they do have cheaters in the Hall of Fame including steroid users
@@ibringthepain24 No argument on that.
Yeah, He lied to congress! LOL
Even though he took drugs
The fact that the media hate him makes me like him even more.
He was a cheater
Found the Astros fan
@@Uknowjusticemill He admitted it
He stole Hank Aaron’s record.
I am from Pittsburgh and saw Barry play from the beginning he’s the best player I ever saw and I saw Clemente as a child .
Let's see, Barry Bonds' accomplishments without steroids:
Still MLB's only 500/500 man
Still MLB's only 400/400 man
Still 3x MVP minimum
Still MLB's 2nd 40/40 man
Still 14x All Star
Still MLB player of the 90s
Still 8x Gold Glover
Still holds an NL batting title
Still MLB's first intentionally walked batter with bases loaded.
Still most walked batter in history.
The list goes on... Cooperstown is a joke until Bonds gets in.
excellent breakdown!
Cheating ups all your stats. If one pop fly a week goes out you move from .250 hitter to .300 with 24 homers. Which was like Palmeiros progression. Instead of flattening your swing and being a contact hitter, you shoot up and your undercut becomes dingers.
without steroids he would do none of this besides the batting title and 40/40 club if that was even without roids cause he was said to have started in 97 but it could of been sooner for all we know he was a slap hitter with speed and average power maybe he makes 400 with his normal body but all thee walks records where cause of roids and who says he gets any of those mvps or that many all star games without his power very bad logic man
If sabermetrics had been as mainstream in the 90s as they are today, Bonds would have, or at least should have, won 7 MVPs prior to his alleged PED years, based on Wins Above Replacement. He's the best player ever and it's not particularly close.
He was actually the 5th to be intentionally walked with the bases loaded, but, yes he needs to be in Cooperstown.
Bonds grew up watching how Mays and his father were treated by the writers. It made him wary of being to open. He let his on field performance do the talking for him.
When Willie moved to San Francisco, he wasn't allowed to buy a house wherever he wanted. When he did anyway, someone tossed a rock (or brick) through his window). It wasn't just reporters.
Exactly my thought
Do you hear these writers?
"Wille Mays treated people like dirt" MAYS?, treated people like dirt?...
And it doesn't surprise me that our own local writers were the ones to try to assassinate Bonds...
Dickey, Ratto etc. were all a bunch of pot bellied envious twerps.
I used read or hear what they had to say, and they were always negative, bordering on toxic.
Bonds wasn’t even born yet when Willie Mays was playing! You have no idea what you’re talking about, do you? And when was Mays ever dissed by the press? Never!
@S Y Jeez you arent very bright. Bonds was alive when willie played. And you act as if the internet doesn't exist to watch older games. 🙄
Barry Bonds was highly upset at the media for the treatment of his father, Bobby Bonds who replaced Willie Mays. Despite being the only player of his time, only to be surpassed by his son Barry on the 400 home runs and 400 steals, yet the media ripped him for strikeouts and whatever comparisons one should not even make with Willie Mays. It ruined Bobby's family life and drove him to drink. Steroids was legal in baseball, take out 3/4 of who has been inducted in the Hall of fame for steroid use in the last several years. I never thought of him as a jerk though you sports writers who possibly played little league baseball are real jerks!
you nailed it! he also didn't trust the media as well because of how they treated his godfather Willie Mays as well. The press is a bunch of sycophants. Barry also didn't have all the big corporate sponsors protecting his image a la Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods - both of those guys are amoral assholes but the press had to suck up to them. Barry never sold out. Say one thing about him, he was authentic and no BS. My brother and I just met him personally at a Golden State Warrior game and this cat couldn't have been more sincere and amiable.
He was calling the media a bunch of liars long before we are all (those of us that have IQ's above room temperature) now seeing how blatantly obvious how right he how right he was.
These comments might be relevant if he wasn't an asshole to his teammates as well.
I had the same experience and I met him twice 15 yrs apart and he was the same both times.
I met him during BP prior to Pac Bell Opening up. They were doing team workouts and no one other than the construction personnel were there. He talked to us about hitting and changing his swing for the new park. How he felt about it and more. Then after 10 mins or more he daid bye and ran off.
The next time at my sons football game. He graduated from the same high school (Lynn Swan, Craig Jeffries. Tom Brady) and he was personable there as well. You'd be tired of living in a fishbowl as well if you had his life. He's seen from a child with his father and then lived only to be told the same thing he saw and expeienced by the greatest baseball player ever, Willie Mays.
I agree - remove all steroid cheaters from baseball, especially those who lied about using it if you think it was “legal” it was not. It was not legal for your local gym gorilla and it wasn’t legal for superstar athletes.
@@delmasblack4028 Great post. Except Willie wasn't the greatest player ever. he was great, and entertaining...but not the top
Miss early 2000s ESPN.. this show, the show with the comedian twins going over random 70s sports, stump the Schwab and of course PTI and ATH
Cheap Seats was awesome!
Stump the Schwab, PTI, ATH. All classics
Jim Rome is burning 🔥
This is so dated, you know why. Mike Piazza admitted to using andro in his own book. Bagwell admitted to using andro to the Houston Chronicle. Now they both stopped using after the 98 season, but guess what. They are in baseball's hall of fame. Great job writers, way to play the hypocrite. But they leave someone like Fred McGriff (no suspicion) out when he played the same position as Bagwell during the same era. Is Bagwell a HoFer and Piazza, sure but so is McGriff.
The biggest hypocrites in the world. I could talk for days about this. The baseball writers not putting Barry in the HOF should be a criminal offense
I could care less if Bonds get in, his legend will grow like Shoeless Joe if he doesn't get it. They will have to keep writing about it year after year. But i care about what I saw on the field, and that's more important than a museum. I am more upset about Fred McGriff not being in who has numbers comparable to Jeff Bagwell. He has more HR, RBI, H, TB and a WS ring to top it off. They had the same number of silver sluggers and all star appearances and with McGriff there wasn't any suspicion of PEDs. But I care more for Pete Rose in the HoF, than Bonds, because look at all these gambling betting shows on tv right now. put him in as a player not a manager1
Dude what are you talking about ? The EXACT same conversations were happening with these players despite andro being over the counter. It was Bonds continued use . Like don’t baseball fans know what Balco actually was?
Not to mention, you even implying Bagwell is in the same convo is actually pretty absurd tbh. He’s got a golden glove, only 1st basemen to ever hit 400 home runs and steal 200 bags, and hit over .300 the same amount of times in 4 less seasons. Hit hitting numbers are better on aggregate in 1000 fewer plate appearances. Not to mention when you typed this, it was being discussed already Fred getting in. And he was actually inducted.
One of my favorite Baseball players of all-time he struck fear into your heart when he was up at bat
Barry Bonds at bat from the 90's onward was the closest I'll ever get to what it would've been like to watch Ted Williams at bat. Barry Bonds' plate discipline was just awesome.
Ted didn't juice
@@lukehauser1182 juice doesn’t teach you how to swing a bat just like steroid doesn’t give you a body like Thor’s in the new movie love and thunder. I you have to put in work meaning a lot of practicing your swinging technique.
@@lukehauser1182 how do you know ? You people don’t know what those guys did..🤣
Wow this is dated lol. The lance Armstrong bit cracked me up
...... and the Enron sign around the 1 minute mark.
Still relevant regarding the reaction and outrage of both allegations towards both athletes during that time.
@@calebadams8268 that caught my eye too, I thought to myself, "wonder if anyone else noticed it" didn't take long to find a comment.
@@___meph___4547 he still looks exactly like that
No doubt. The parallels between them is remarkable, though Bonds would have been there without the doping, and Lance probably wouldn't have ever been more than an inspirational footnote if he had ridden clean.
Number 1 reason to not blame Bonds is that so many pitchers were also juicing that you could arguably say that he was just trying to adapt to his times and to the new methods being used by his fellow competitors, especially the pitchers.
I am not a huge Bond fan but I truly believes he is one of the greatest player ever and he deserves to be in HOF.
Looks like they filmed that in a Blockbuster Video.
ESPN Classic man
you should see the later years of "top reasons you can't blame" the rooms the narrator would be in were even darker and sketchier.
What's Blockbuster Video?
@@skankytrick its a place where you would go to rent then return movies for a small fee that went out of business because they refused to buy netflix or follow a similar business plan to netflix
@@td1158 I was trying to be facetious, but thanks for the explanation, lol.
He has always been one of my very favorite players! I never cared what others say bad about him he’s simply a great baseball player. My favorite players are from the Tigers. But after them it’s Barry Bonds.
He's a cheater
Imagine Barry's numbers if he had been pitched to, he might have hit 100 HR's in a season.
@Nill Gddy yeah, I've never seen anybody better.
I still say hank should still have record with steroids scandal but no doubt he was a great hitter
Imagine Barry’s numbers if he hadn’t taken HGH, he might have topped at 600 HR’s
If hank aaron took roids he might have hit 1000 home runs
austi Hank may not have been on roids but he admitted he used peds so don’t try and treat him like he did it all on his own
Look, the truth is that the media treats players like sh*t. Barry was a guy who didn't stand for it. He gave back what they gave him. As far as his relationship with his teammates goes, he was tough to get along with, but when you can hit like that, I'll put up with it.
Go to work you do your job I'll do mine we don't have to be friends
The media are treating athletes like s*** for years.. just like as example they did like name the late Kobe Bryant
He was a cheater
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 In Baseball everybody cheats it’s just a matter of who gets caught
What team wouldn't want Bonds?
Most Feared player of all time
Yea... I heard, that the body odor caused by steroids is unbearable...
Look at those walk totals...even Greg Maddux said that Bonds was the easiest player to pitch to...he was so much better than everyone else, the choice was simple...walk him.
so basically i learnt nothing from this and still see Barry Bonds as the greatest hitter of all time
not only the greatest hitter but the greatest player as well.
Lee Cowell, i would agree as Bonds was winning Gold Gloves and has a lot of stolen bases as well as his hitting titles, but it is debatable with Babe Ruth who also pitched as well as fielded and hit
@@baileysmith4744 pre-integration is a bigger advantage than roids
@@baileysmith4744 based on that othani is the greatest of all time?
@@erickgabriel3603. how? Ohtani has only 5 seasons, not even 100 career starts, and is nowhere near the hitter either player was
I forgot Barry Bonds talks like s mix of Michael Jackson and Mike Tyson.
Loooooool
Add in some Jack Nicklaus also haha
Obviously the steroids made everything stronger for him except his voice, he has a wierd feminine voice
So funny . Was his voice always like that ?
I’ve meet Barry a few times he was nice to me and signed autographs. Notice most people who hate him are media and we know how fair they are..... lol
Gary Smith I actually met him once. I had premium seats to the 1992 NLCS game 7 @ Fulton country stadium, I also had access to the tunnel leading to the visitors clubhouse. After the Braves won that dramatic game to clinch the pennant, I ventured out of curiosity to the Pirates clubhouse. Their was literally no security stopping me, basically somebody with no credentials from walking right up to the door of the clubhouse. I could tell they were all hurting so I figured I would just say “nice try” or something to that effect and just move on. I saw Gary Redus and Jim Rooker in tears, then I saw Bonds talking to someone, no tears in his eyes, I patted him on the back and said “good try”, he said “thanks” then went back to his conversation with whoever he was talking about. I thought for some unknown stranger who unexpectedly walks up to him he was a cordial as you’d expect in that situation. I also remember feeling like “this guy isn’t about the team at all. I also remember seeing a light skinned black woman on sitting on a car, by herself as I was headed back from their clubhouse, I’m almost sure it was Halle Berry, who was dating Dave Justice at the time.
How sad the cheater is disrespected
Nah, he's a total jerk and egomaniac.
If the media didn't treat his dad like shit, maybe he'd respect them more.
He was a cheater
Maybe generally not being a dick is an easy way to endear one's self to the media. Sounds like deflection to me.
Bonds brought it on himself by being an insufferable piece of shit. So insufferable his college teammates wanted him kicked off the team even though he was their best player. You can't get more cancerous than that.
He was not a victim. Stop acting like he was.
2020, I still belive he is the best ever. Baseball man.
Imagine what they would have to pay him now... He'd have the first billion dollar contract.
He's a cheater
@@EssexAggiegrad2011 Umm yeah, thats sports man. Everyone cheats, few get caught.
@@kalebdegroot7825 No
4:52 where Jeff Pearlman says "Bonds never lifted a team to a higher level" is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. It gets completely refuted at the 9 minute mark! Bonds was RIDICULOUS in the 2002 postseason!
Bonds almost single handedly made those early 2000s Giants teams championship contenders. Sure, guys like Jeff Kent and Jason Schmidt were solid players but without Bonds those teams win maybe 70-75 games.
the documentary meant up until that point dude, it meant pre-2002. hello? i got that. why didnt you
theyre talking about the bad postseasons he had with the pirates
jsXanatos I did get that. But the way the soundbite is edited, they make it sound like a definitive statement, which, as I mentioned above, is refuted later in the piece.
We all know his Giants years after 98 are under suspicion of roids. We know hes a great player but much of the Giants numbers after 98 are tainted as a Reds fan I know in 1990 he was a choking dog.
Barry's face when he realized they were walking him with the bases loaded is priceless!
Top Five reasons you CAN blame Brian Kinney for that haircut.
Kyle Kelly lmaoo his shit looks like one of those old school leather helmets
Barry Bonds didn't offend fans. I am one. Saw him play several times & he was a fun guy during games. He offended media assholes. That's it.
He offended fans by cheating
I grew up a Giants fan. He is why I came to love baseball the way I do today. The argument that he was “a poor role model” is BS. He didn’t offend the kids, he offended the stuffy baseball writers. Best player to ever do it
Remind me of his friends among players?
@@lukehauser1182 remind me what does that have to do with his style of play. You gonna tell me MJ is a nice guy no he isn’t but it’s ok but I couldn’t imagine having that amount of eyes in your life your entire life and neither do you.
Good ol' Barry Roids
The best player I have ever seen in person play ball. He was so much better then anyone else on the field it was shocking. I thought as a young kid this is what is was like to see Ruth, Mays, Dimaggio, Williams, Clemente Etc.If a player like that is not in the HOF which is supposed to house the best players why have it? It’s not the hall that houses the players that are nicest to the media.
They left him out becausse of steroids.
Bonds is a total asshole but that’s not why he’s not in the HOF. He cheated by using steroids for years. That’s why he’s not in the Hall. And never will be. The fact that he was an asshole doesn’t help his case.
I LOVE YOU BARRY #1 PLAYER EVER SF GIANTS
Cheater
The fact he batted .471 during the 2002 WS with 4 hr with .700 obp 1.294 slg and an insane 1.994 OPS all while being walked half his at bats doesn’t sound like he didn’t produce in the postseason. Reporters sound a bit biased to me.
That was his only good postseason out of seven. That's a consistent pattern of failing to produce. And even the one time he did he was juicing.
I love how he treated the media
I do too. Fuck the media! Always playing victims.
@M lol what damage was caused? Dramatic much?
Media is the enemy of the people
@M Preach it, Brother. Divide and conquer. Pawns of the ruling cartel
This is why Barry Bonds don't want to kiss the media's ass.
He had the most perfect swing. Compact, powerful and majestic. Not loopy like Griffey’s
Get out. Right now.
Idc who you are....you get intentionally walked with the bases loaded....that's respect....he needs to be in the HOF
If he did no steroids, he wouldn't have been in the position to be intentionally walked, because he wouldn't have become the home run hitter that the steroids turned him into.
@@ericclaeyborn7008 hater
@@ericclaeyborn7008 the famous bases loaded intentional walk was before steroids dumbass!
Thank you for posting this clip,
Please never delete it off TH-cam.
How can a guy be guilty of taking steroids if he never tested positive for taking them?
Damien Bonner And they weren't illegal or banned in baseball at the time
Bonds admitted to the BALCO grand jury that he took them. He lied and qualified it by saying unknowingly and was duly tried and convicted of perjury for it.
JayeK47 Cream & Clear.Ask Greg Anderson
And I'm sure Al Capone was only guilty of tax evasion.
There's an asterisks on the Hall of Fame until they get this guy in
He will never get in, nor any of the steroid users with any records.
He should be in the hall of fame don't care what you or anyone else thinks even hank aaron says Barry bonds should be n the Hall of Fame
@@RobandDaveLPs That is 100% true. We all do respect..Hank Aaron did consider Barry Bonds as the Home Run King. If you going to say that steroid users never be in the Hall of Fame? I think a lot of people really forget that Mike Piazza Jeff Bagwell and Pudge Rodriguez did made it to the hall of fame because they're steroid users.. The only biggest mistake is the media made it happened.
I never payed that much attention to the game when I was a little kid until barry came up to bat. Go giants!
3:32 beautifully put, more media personnel need to take notes.
4:14 the problem is you, writing how you feel instead of facts
Being a jerk should not be part of the discussion. Ty Cobb was a jerk and so were many in the Hall. Bonds absolutely was the best I ever saw. The question is did he do steroids? Or does that even matter when 100’s all did. Caught or not the numbers across the game were so ready ridiculous. To me the commissioner and baseball knew everyone was juicing. Shame on them.
I agree, Bonds is unquestionably the best to hold a bat. Just look at his single season onbase plus slugging numbers, unreal. I do think there's a difference between greatness and being the best player. Like Derek Jeter will probably have a greater legacy than Barry because the narrative of Jeter's career is much more appealing than Bonds'.
Rich G he wasn't a jerk, the media was.
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This. Rec. +1. All day. Best ever, bar none. Not gonna change until someone better comes along.
The important part is he was a HOFmer before he bulked up.
he was a hall of famer before the steroids. I've had a love for baseball my whole life. I will say he's one of the best I ever saw. he got older, he still wanted to compete at a high level. same with A Rod. they did what they thought they needed to do. it's a shame bonds, Rodriguez, and Clemens won't have their day at the podium at the HOF. steroids don't help you hit a curve ball.
If he was a Hall of Famer before he took the steroids, then why would he take them and ruin his chances for the Hall of Fame? That is a lot worse than Pete Rose betting on his team to win games, and he's still not in the Hall of Fame.
They help you hit a curve ball (or any other type of pitch) farther...that is the entire point dude. = more homeruns!
He did what he thought he needed to do, and now must accept the consequences
For everyone that claims he was a bad person, there are 100 other people for everyone person that loved the guy! Everyone expects athletes to be these amazing great character guys but, that is NOT a requirement for being the best athlete in the world!
Dude I love these.
Takes me back to my teenage years.
This was a good show, they’ve really gotten away from what they were, sad af.
Old video? Because that 02 post season was amazing for this guy. What bonds has done is marvelous, before peds, marvelous. To be enhanced, when other were also enhanced, and to be that much better than everyone.... open and shut case for the hall. I mean greenies for hank, corked bats for the rbi king. Come one writers, get out of your feelings. You disgrace that hall....
bonds would disgrace the hall and you do right here.
@@albundy4163 bonds has too much skill and accolades compared to those clowns in the hall. they need to start a whole new hall of fame for only bonds to be in until someone else that good at baseball comes along, then they can be in it too. but until then, barry is in a class of his own and as much as you hate it, its the god damn truth with some cheese on it.
Being from the Bay Area and life long Giants fan. The ‘94 strike season broke my heart as a fan. Baseball is in our blood if your a fan of the game and you understand what how deeply the love reaches. McGwire, Sosa, Clemens, Palmiero, Bonds and so many more didn’t destroy the game by their actions. As a fan I enjoyed that era which brought back a joy and fun for the game. Old men either write tragedies or triumphs with their words. The Game triumphed and the love has returned. Bonds was our Achilles beautiful and flawed and the ‘02 season was his master work.
@@td1158 your right. bonds should be in the hall of toilets, because he is full of shit. he is an ass in his own mind and ours. he was not voted into the all century team. why? they new then he started to roid up. he would of hit his 550 homers and still made the hall, its the records he wouldnt of broken. he is a loser and if you feel otherwise so are you
bonds hit almost 500 homers after age of 30, 350 after age 35. giants lost to the weakest world series team to ever win the 02 angels. not one good players on that angel team. not one hall of famer. only the 88 dodgers compare. so bonds doesnt deserve jack shit. palmerio hit 3,000 hits, over 500 homers , lots of rbi, great defender. he is not in...complain about that
Barry is the greatest baseball player of all-time.
I miss Bonds and the 600 ft homeruns! There needs to be a PED Hall of Fame! They made the game fun and existing!
@Daniel Ppa Natural?? buddy... cheating and PED use has always been a part of baseball..
No, they didn't exist until the 80's. Everyone was natural before that.
@@michaelhassler7446 lol... steroids been around since the beginning... it wasn't illegal in baseball until after Bonds hit 73 homers.. so fuck it..
Dude they didn't have steroids in the beginning of baseball and Bonds will never get into the HOF
@@michaelhassler7446 Okay buddy I have ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you if you believe they weren't cheating in the "good ol days"
I think that it is reasonable to suspect that he started steroids because of the Summer of 1998.
capralean As an objective Barry Bonds fan I've always said the exact same thing because he probably couldn't believe that 2 obviously geeked out of their minds on roids inferior players in Mark McGuire & Sammy Sosa was getting so much media acclaim that he said to himself ok I'm going to use roids myself & instead of hitting 70 or 66 home runs like McGuire & Sosa I'm going to hit 90 home runs but due to him being walked an historic amount of times he settled for 73 home runs.
capralean well, he didn't. 0 evidence.
@@AE-vu3nt and you are wrong. There was plenty of evidence. And that's why people hate him. Mark and Sammy fessed up and moved on. He's still a narcissistic sociopath like always. Fuck Barry Bonds
Bill James said in his 1998 book that by the time Barry was retired (assuming he was on a downward spiral at that point, due to his age) that he would be ranked in the top 5 in baseball history due to his domination of the league for so long, and his abilities in hitting, walks, fielding and base running. Statistically, he should have had six or seven MVPs BEFORE he ever took steroids! @@KHLB516
Canseco said 80% of players were juicing in the early 90s...by the late 90s? Maybe more. I knew an insider who saw it was 90%. Pitchers even more than hitters......@Trzn
Where the dirty test???🤣🤣🤣
Barry Bonds resented the way media treated his dad, who was in the shadow of Mays and McCovey.
Great documentary. Very fair on both sides. I’m a huge Giants fan and I loved the Bonds years, but I also know he was a prima donna (although he was very nice to my daughter whose ball he signed). As for being a jerk to the media, who cares?? Much of the media (not all) are a-holes themselves just looking for a negative story to write. Bonds was a lone wolf, an introvert, and a perfectionist and the media never understood him - they liked guys that smiled and danced for them like Sosa. Based on the numbers alone, _even before 2000_ , Barry should have been elected to the HOF on the first ballot.
It’s a joke not having the most feared hitter of all time in a shrine where there a bunch of chumps like Rizzuto and Mazeroski who were only admitted because they won a lot of titles on dominant teams. And they were (wink wink) scrappy white guys who played the “right way”, whatever that means. Also I do think there was a degree of racism involved, and that desire to hate on a guy who was so obviously great AND confident. Some people forget that racism reared its ugly head a lot when Hank Aaron was chasing and then broke broke The Babe’s all time record.
Whenever I think of the steroid era I think of Jose Cansecos quote; "anabolics make average players great, and great players incredible" and to me Barry was a great player turned greatest of all time by the juice. There's a reason why he's the 7 time MVP and the countless others that used aren't.
Jack Young Please name the date of Barry Bonds’ failed drug test. We’re waiting. Oh, that’s right, Bonds never failed a drug test. Just a media witch hunt cause he didn’t kiss the media’s a.
I think there was a time when Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test either, there's ways to beat the test. Doesn't mean you didn't do it, just that you know how to get around it.
Shut up Eric, watch the Lance Armstrong movie starring Ben Foster. They knew how to beat the test.
It’s lonely at the top.. with every one of these reporters in awe of something they wish you couldn’t do.
Lmao, number 1 aged like Wine with a bad cork
Barry is so awesome!
He's an awesome cheater, and cheaters shouldn't be rewarded.
@@ericclaeyborn7008 this is the dumbest comment I have ever read “ hey u were already the greatest player ever but since u took steroids late in your career and became a baseball alien because the league refused to ban them now ur not the greatest “
I have a question for u Eric, are max scherzer Justin verlander and Clayton Keyshaw not the best pitchers of this era and are they also cheaters and should be banned from the hall of fame?
Because they were the best for a long time then worse pitchers started using foreign substances and the league did nothing to stop them they started using foreign substances as well
Are they non hall of fame worthy cheaters too Eric?
still eating off Barry #Goat
He wasn't proven guilty, #Bonds4Fame
And Al Capone was only convicted of tax fraud. Whoopie. His body transformation alone is all the proof needed.
That 2002 World Series hurt as a kid. Always wanted him to have a ring, the only thing he ever wanted.
They need to bring this show back. I watched it religiously. The first subject they should cover is the top five reasons you can't blame the officials
for the Saints losing to the Rams.
Rams. But true. I'm sick of Saints fans complaining about the refs. They put themselves in position to get hosed by a bad call.
@@Nhamp2000 Thanks for the correction. I'll fix it now.
Wrong sports...
As the years pass, the more I look at his peak years, the more I am amazed. If Secretariat was the Greatest horse ever, who can deny there has never been a more dominant athlete (doped or undoped) than Barry Bonds in the early 21st century. What he did is mindboggling even if you could suppose there is a drug (which there isn't) that improves your athletic ability 50%. What if a walk had advanced all baserunners one base (which would be a good rule for baseball to adopt by the way). He would have either hit 90 homers or hit .400, one or the other. What a transcendent player he truly was. Maybe not a nice guy, but certainly an historic baseball performer.
Bonds is the best player who was abused severely by sports reporters and by people who judge a person by hearsay and accusations that were never proved or substantiated in a court of law or even a simple blood test ! He has broken every HR record plus his many many other baseball records have set him heads above other great players, but people who don’t know better or just follow the rumors of a bad press still hate the man . They said in this story about him that the Giants were just counting the days until Bonds was through! It sure doesn’t seem to have turned out that way since they have placed his plaque on the wall and now they’re retiring his number . It seems the Giants couldn’t be prouder of what Barry Bonds has done for the Them! He will always be the Best Baseball Player that I have had the pleasure of watching play the game!
Barry Bonds broke every record BECAUSE HE WAS USING PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS. Had he not used them, his body wouldn't have lasted as long, he wouldn't have had the ability to easily hit the Home Runs he was breaking records with. Barry Bonds was a cheater. He used performance enhancing drugs which brought him an extended career, higher numbers, better contracts, better endorsement deals. The records that he broke were by men who did not have to cheat to get them. Barry Bonds STOLE their legacy. Barry Bonds lied to and cheated the fans out of a clean game. Barry Bonds sullied the sport of baseball. And he did all of this having already achieved numbers and a career great enough to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. F Barry Bonds. He deserves his legacy of shame.
And this is from a former fan of his.
Look at bonds’ body when he left Pittsburg compared to when he retired. He took steroids
Top 20 before the roids is a joke man top 100 ya ok i could see that but he would never of come close to top 20 without the roids carrying him hus last 10+ years playing
Sirisaac Newton pure hearsay with not a stitch of prove! He didn’t cheat anybody, he was the best player that could do it all ! Nolan Ryan was a old man by baseball standards should we take away his no hitter records?
J.P. ,'Mingo
His head at 40 was twice the size it was at 28. That’s not hearsay. That’s genetically impossible without the assistance of steroids
@3:28 it looks like the dude is about to cry😂🤣
I miss this show
Just like Ty Cobb; great - inducted 1st into the Hall of Fame but, never won a World Series. & y? It is a team effort.
Bonds didn't pitch
@Angry Grizzly so you say
@Angry Grizzly Cobb and either Speaker or Hornsby were accused of throwing games on purpose, but the case was dropped because baseball couldn't endure another scandal after 1919. There was at least as much evidence to convict them as there is to say Bonds took steroids. And there was no clear rule against steroids at that time...plus 80-90% of players, including pitchers, were using them. Baseball ahd along history of tolerating, and even encouraging, drug use. Pitcher Tom Hose said that steroids were around in the 60s when he played, but were called by other names....
@Angry Grizzly Ty Cobb was a racist and he probably killed the person in 1912 in Detroit
I know they never say that about Ted Williams, but guess what he's, the best pure "hitter that ever lived."
best of all time, you know it, i know it
Yeah at juicing
might as well chalk up the majority of the league in those days then, barry did it because others were so clearly doing it imo
think the best of all time at juicing would be conseco boy
i dont know it.
@@jsXanatosIf everyone you knew was beating their wife, would you do it too? Or make excuses for someone who was?
Anyone else think they should make a "5 reasons you cant blame joe jackson"
slaymyface135 Top 5 reasons you cant blame Ike Turner.
Definitely. I came up with several baseball lists on my own. One of my favorite ones was about 5 reasons why you can't blame the Brooklyn Dodgers for losing Roberto Clemente.
They did...only it was the entire Black Sox team.
What about this one: Top five reasons you can't blame The 2004 New York Yankees for blowing a 3-0 in the ALCS?
Okay seriously. That just was a suggestion. That wasn't called for at all dude. You're being an a**hole and NO, I DON'T watch "gay anime videos" And I wasn't taking to you either. It was to slaymyface135
Barry Bonds was a HOF player BEFORE steroids. He didn't need them to get to the HOF, now he may never get in.
He did drugs on his own volition. So he should never get in.
Bonds is objectively the best player to ever grace the field of baseball. We’ll have contenders in the coming years like Trout or Ohtani (if he stays healthy), and there are arguments for former greats (Mays, Ted Williams). He was a HOF player before he even signed with the Giants. He might suck as a human, and he also allegedly cheated, but so did everyone else at the time. And he was miles better than them. Should have been a 1st ballot HOFer; hopefully he gets in this year or next year with his last year of eligibility.
Does anyone remember Julian Edelman busted for PED use? The very next year he wins Superbowl MVP and there is not a single mention of it. Nobody has ever been treated the way Bonds has. Maybe Jon Jones, but he has had much bigger offenses like his hit-and-run. Barry was just not nice to the media.
And his teammates and coaches. The guy was just an asshole to everybody.
Football is not as much of a stats driven sport. The stats in baseball are how we determine greatness, and if your stats are overblown because you cheated, none of your stats count.
Except Pete Rose.
Yes, Pete didn't cheat, just bet on baseball. I think he gets into the HOF when he can no longer bet on baseball. In other words, after he dies maybe.
Barry Bonds, plain and simple, was a CHOKER! When Barry Bonds played for the Pirates during the early 1990's, he obviously had MVP stats during the regular season, but, when it came time to demonstrate that talent in the playoffs he would go AWOL! The truest measure of greatness of any professional athlete in his chosen sport is "how did he perform when the stakes were at their highest"! Unfortunately, Barry Bonds would 'shrivel up and die' during the Post Season when his team needed him the most! For that very reason, he'll forever be labeled a "CHOKER" in the eyes of many Pirate fans!
.433 career OBP in the post season. .503 slugging percentage. In over 200 at bats. Those are outstanding numbers.....
Sosa had 1 big year. Barry had a big career. The G.O.A.T
Three seasons of 60 HRs. One good year. Are you this stupid every day? Or just today?
@@TheBatugan77 And who on here watches Sammy " Cork" Sosa videos, LOL? Hes nowhere near being in Mr. Barry Bonds class!
Number 1 should be “Commissioner Bud Selig”. Baseball knew what was going on with the steroids, and they didn’t stop it.
they encouraged it.
Bud Seild got away with it Through the Years.. and he was in the Baseball Hall of Fame.... SMH
Bud was an enormous piece of shit. He was part of the owners collusion towards the players before he was commissioner. Then handpicked as a successor after the commissioners before him kept collusion around. When that scheme failed and the owners wanted to cry poor they had the labor stoppage in 1994. Yes the players went on strike but once you see how much money the owners screwed players out of before that strike it justifies their position somewhat. Especially with their next idea being a salary cap so they could just do collusion legally. (I’m not 100% a fan of guaranteed contracts though but that’s a story for another day.) Then Sellg just sat there and ignored the whole steroid scandal because of the owners needed the long ball to get butts back into the seats after the strike. I’m sure there’s other things I’m missing (someone would say not letting Pete Rose back into baseball though I can see both sides arguments on that one) but needless to say Bud blows.
Whether or not a guy was likable to the press is a factor in determining whether or not a player was the best of all-time.
His postseason disappearing acts hurt his GOAT case. That's not the media's fault.
Imagine what they would have to pay him now... He'd have the first billion dollar contract.
No he wouldn't.
And yet, 12 years after he left the game, (Still The Most Feared Hitter In All Of Baseball), the petty little writers with their little hurt feelings have made sure that Bonds isn’t in the Hall. HR Ball #756 is though.
This whole era ruined the game for a lot of fans.
And it’s the writers fault more than anything.
NOT BARRY BONDS!
Writers don't enhance their writing abilities if they take steroids, but baseball players hit baseballs farther if they take steroids. Not sure how writers were responsible for baseball players choosing to do steroids?
"we the media, the gatekeepers didn't like him". Hell, Griffey Jr. was also a bit of a jerk, but no one complains. Unless they assault you, or just absolutely 100% go out of their way to tirelessly berate you, then I could care less about a media person's feelings.
Being in the media you get to say player X, has sucked, should be traded/suspended/fined/cut/retire... When it is thrown back at you many in the media turn around and cry foul.
I know right? Often times the media would suggest the team to sign that certain player. If it doesn't work out, the media would crap on the team for signing the guy to begin with, despite being the ones to suggest it.
They hated Ted Williams, too.
I grew up watching Bonds, Sosa, Griffey and McGwire....so many other 90's greats and Bonds got the shaft media absolutely killed his chances at any greatness. Pushed him and when he lashed out they crucified him for it...I don't like the Roids era but you still have to work to get that good besides these players were all great before using (not saying all the players used) Bonds was a hitting monster and its sad so many clubs cheated the man out of hitting with all those walks. The league should have stepped in to stop this disgraceful treatment. after the 90's I stopped watching baseball as the sport is a joke baseball died in the mid 2000's today we have half the talent twice the greed and loads of whiners. All players care about is $$$$ it's ridiculous the amounts these kids are getting and all for 1/4 of the talent all the players before them had. This is why baseball is dying attendance is at an all time low all over the league there are teams in so much trouble they could be AAA teams. I miss the old days
please don't mention Griffey Jr with those juicers
Well Tom Glavine would put you into a short series slump mighty quick
Amazing how people talk like they know what was in his head
I met Bonds in front of the Golds Gym in Burlingame in early 2001...He is an egomaniac, i walked away within a minute
You had to meet the guy personally to figure that out. I am sorry. LOL.
Stop approaching men in San Francisco son.
Yeah; guess he should’ve been a royal prince like Ted Williams, Mays, Cobb, DiMaggio, et al.
Best player I’ve ever seen.
I think #1 needs to be amended.
The sports writers on this video have no clue how self-important, entitled, and arrogant they sound.
1) Willie Mays had this "Say, Hey" personality! You mean to tell me Willie had another side to him; an "entitled" side Bonds observed?
2) The '98 Yanks, the greatest team in MLB history, were also victims of not getting the attention as McGwire and Sosa!
The Yankees got an unbelievable amount of attention, and deservedly so...they won 125 games that year, without losing one in the playoffs! Probaly the best team performace ever....But Sosa and McGwire were one hell of a story....as was the Seattle team of 2001, who got great press, thank in part, to Ichiro's unique play.
The "Say Hey" thing was a marketing ploy. Just an image they promoted to entertain the audience....
@@joemarshall4226 Trust me, I know all too well about Sosa/McGwire being "one hell of a story." My TV went out when Mac hit 62, and a week later, the president of Time Warner Cable sent a letter to folk apologizing for the neighborhood power outage!
If they still aired this, one episode should be about why you can’t blame the Astros for stealing signs.
So he didn't want to talk to the media, but wanted media attention...
Well, at least in the long run he's not as bad as Armstrong.
What backwards world do you live in where two guys make their greatest of fame from steroids? But you write, 'well, at least in the long run he's not as bad as Armstrong?! Who knows when Armstrong started taking them, and he were a great cyclist with or without steroids, like Barry were a great Baseball player with or without steroids. They both cheated. None of it is a lesser of two evils to decide from. They both were cheaters no matter what in reality.
There's a Lance Armstrong movie starring Ben Foster that tells the whole story. Lance was doing steroids from the get go, but really enhanced them after he got through his cancer.
barry bonds is responsible for barry bonds . so yeah , I can most definitely blame him
and thats why he is loved
Both things can be true. "You're your own worst enemy" and "you're more likely than not of being a product of your environment". Can't absolve Selig and the MLB in general for the Steroid Era.
@@DaComebakKid im not for absolving any of em..theyre all guilty, hang em !
@@DaComebakKid and 1 more thing. Bonds played baseball a few hours a night 6 months a year. MLB was not his " environment "
@@dickhickey909 he played that little and was still the primary attraction. really tells ya something.
Barry is the GOAT my opinion not up for debate.
I'm a die-hard Pirates fan and to me Hank Aaron is STILL the home run leader and Roger Maris has the home run record for the season with 61.
Andrew Gubanic maris jucied
They didn't have juice back then.
😂 to #1, Lance Armstrong later came out and admitting to using PEDs, of course
what kind of off-brand English is this?
@@td1158get on the trolley!
THE GOAT!!!!
Megadeth is the G.O.A.T.!!!🎸🤘
There’s only two reasons why you shouldn’t/can’t blame Bonds;
1) everyone was doing it
2) it made baseball watchable!
Erich Von Manstein you’re either delusional or in denial.
Buster’s voice changed so much lol
When I was a kid I hated Barry Bonds. I thought he was a villain and a bully who shit all over the media because he knew they had to stand there and take it. I don't normally even care how players treat the media but there was something about Bonds that was more than just not liking cameras in his face, he made a point to be degrading.
well yeah. the media degraded his dad all the time. dad was a drinker. they treated his dad like shit. why wouldnt he make it a point to be degrading after how they treated his dad
The media was horrible to him they would do anything and everything to piss him off and get a good story think about greatest player in history yelled at the media and is a horrible guy that’s headline news every day
If you're a Black person,youre a dumb one
Ted Williams
When was this made / aired?
I think it said 2006 at the very end.
Greatest baseball player ever.
Bonds is hands down the GOAT!