So this was all a waste?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ต.ค. 2024
- I want to take a closer look at the E-Wing as it appeared in Ahsoka, in order to ask whether, ultimately, it was all a waste given that in only appeared in one episode!
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How did you know Thrawn would attack? “It was revealed to me in my dreams”
He saw it in his dreams through the force... 😊
Made more sense than "somehow Thrawn has returned."
3000 tie defenders of thrawn
Imagine his dream is spot on.
This is disgraceful…………they removed the top cannon of the E-Wing
Bros having nightmares about star wars ships now
Aren’t we all
Visions
@@Gwallacec2Get out of my head
fr 💀
Me, an Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels 1st Edition owner: "First time?"
"I had a dream that Episode IX came out and it was a remake of the Titanic."
I laughed so hard at that, that my face hurt thanks man, needed that lmao
@@Transilvanian90Nah that would suck and the actual Episode 9 is good.
@@Transilvanian90 You dumb or what? The falcon was hyperspacing through asteroids and nebulas, not actual planets. That "random battle" was one of the best in the franchise and also learn what random means. The film was a decent ending to a decent trilogy.
My assumption was that the E-wings we saw were prototypes and it hasn't been fully put into production. Lothal is known for its fighter production facilities, so it would make sense that they got the contract to begin making them. Naturally, the first couple units produced would be utilized by the Lothal defense forces. That would explain why we didn't see any outside Lothal, and would suggest they may become more ubiquitous in future stories
Great theory
I thought the same thing, even in legends they were never produced on the scale of the X and A and it would make sense that they are only assigned to a few higher profile areas.
My assumption is that Disney can’t create anything new so they steal from the best source material that they decanonized and that they claimed never existed in the first place.
Hypocrisy much.
Given how Lothal played a big role in Rebels it would make sense to have Lothal be of strategic importance later down the line. Maybe the E-Wings are currently regional self-defense fighters that’s still under development. Lothal has a lot of open space which would be perfect for developing a new next gen fighter for the New Republic and training new pilots.
It could be a Lothal only ship like Naboo had its own line of ships. Something they made as a result of having to hold off the empire on their own.
It could be a speeder as well.
Careful Eck this how it starts. Pretty soon you’ll be having nightmares about World Devastators showing up in Ahsoka season 2
This sounds like a job for Wedge and Rogue Squadron's V-Wings (or just R2-D2 depending on which source you're drawing from).
the mining guild machine they hijack on Lothal in Rebels looks an awful lot like a devastator 😂 was destroying the surface of the planet too
Hope they do season so Disney can loose more money.
Season 2? 😂
It was likely worked into the season 1 budget so they have the model for later seasons or other projects. When doing a budget for a series, you tend to move money around to do stuff like that. They didn't need the E-Wing for this episode, but they had the budget in this episode to do it, so they now have the model and later can use it in as many future episodes as they like without the initial cost of having the model created from scratch.
They did this a lot in the Babylon-5 series too. You would get new ship models trickling into the series over a few seasons and then they had all the models for a massive battle late in season 3 that would have cost an arm, a leg and likely someone's head to try and pay for in one episode's budget, let alone get all the CAD work done for them in time.
Wow! It make so much sense! ... But don't you think it takes out a lot of the surprise and spoils the show's content a bit to have a cameo of a new ship model? You know.. it sort of implies more space battles...
@@antdok9573 No. I don't think this in the least and never thought another human being would either. Life contains information you may not want yet. Get a helmet.
Well, they definitely take out some of the surprise out of the next season with this, if they go through with it. They also used the ship to basically be a traffic cop for a speeder.. Lame.@@TheNewsDepot
@@antdok9573 Then you may wish to be warned that the characters that show up may also be in the next season along with buildings, creatures and everything else that comes on screen.
spoilers are for plot points, not anything else.
ILM slowly building up their ship roster is exciting 👀 it’s a stretch but im hoping we get a victory class 🙏
Having a cameo in a single episode is building up their roster now? Disney fanboys are on some massive copium these days
@@battleoid2411it is. Every ship model ILM makes becomes an asset they reuse in other productions. They didn’t spend a bunch of money on modeling new republic star fighters and capital ships for a single show, these are future proof models that will be used for this entire post ROTJ saga ending with the heir to the empire movie.
I'd like this, but 69 likes...
@@battleoid2411Yes, it is. Do you understand how models are utilised?
@@battleoid2411Yes, it is. Do you understand how models are utilised?
I think it was just meant to be a simple nudge and wink to us fans who grew up with Legends. That said, I think in Canon, the E-wing might be being used as a civil defense or policing starfighter. Maybe it was still supposed to replace the X-wing, but didn't make the cut like in the old days.
I like this take 👍
Never really understood how the Ewing was an improvement myself. Less weapons, don’t think they even have missiles launching capabilities. So its more of an anti-fighter or anti-bomber, but the A-Wing fit the niche better and the X-Wing was capable of doing so more things
@@slb797it was a design improvement in theory but the x-wing is so good at the job it does it’s just better to refine that design instead of trying to replace it
I think a more realistic use of the E-Wing would be as the New Republics multirole fighter and make up the bulk of the force while the X-Wing would be the space-superiority fighter. It would be analogous to the relationship between the F-16 and the F-15 in the USAF.
@@kutter_ttl6786 that makes good sense
The E-wing always bugged me with the top cannon. I love the new look. The use of upgraded/new model X-wings, Y-wings and A-wings makes sense. Look at the F-15, the newest version looks similar to the original, but is light years ahead in only 50 years. The time span in Star Wars is less than 50 years, so the older fighters are easily in play, and the E-wing is the latest and greatest wonder fighter, like the F-35. Hope to see more of them.
Wouldn't the canon fire blind the pilot? Doesn't make sense to put a canon there, lol.
It makes sense for it to show up on Lothal, since the remains of the TIE Defender factory were there. Maybe Lothal built the advanced Ewing in part by borrowing tech from the Defender after scavenging whatever tech or designs they could from the remains of the imperial installations
This was my head cannon too.
So it seems a few of us had this headcannon
I want to see some TIE Defender Star Wars media. I should probably watch Rebels...
"It's a wolf!" - Filoni has put in literal wolves, units named "Wolf Pack", people named "Wolf", people named things similar to "Wolf" (Axe Woves), people named after other canine critters (Fennic Shad) and now he's going after the mythological wolves - Baylan Skoll and Shin Hati's last names are taken from Hati and Sköll, the mythological monster-wolf sons of the granddaddy monster-wolf Fenrir. (I never got around to watching Rebels, but apparently there was a pilot named "Fenris" in that one.) How many other ways do we think he can jam wolves into Star Wars?
I don’t know but now I want a Star Wars shirt in the style of a wolf shirt.
@michaelandreipalon359 Wait until you hear about THX-1138, sunsets, and names of revered Christian figures in Star Wars. There are motifs everywhere, it's just that Dave Filoni is able to hone in in them better than a cadre of writers. Even Andor had people constantly yelling "Climb" for one reason or another.
Like you said, author appeal isn't bad, but it walks a fine line between charming and tedious.
it really lends credence to the idea that most of, if not all of his projects have just been fan fiction with him adding ahsoka into everything he works on and having a lot of japanese insipired aesthetics (i get star wars has always been somewhat inspired by some japanese stuff but did ahsoka need to be called a fucking ronin) and of course the almost weird obsession with wolves he has.
Well, in rebels there was the mandalorian Fenn Rau. That's the closest I can think of
@@youtubeuserkineI thought the same thing. Calling her a ronin was dumb because it explicitly implies that samurais (to some extent) exist in Star Wars.
I could have the interpretation that the E-Wings mass production was limited because of the New Republic's Military Restrictions only being used to supplement Security Forces on Allied Worlds
I can easily believe that, it makes sense given how the New Republic is
The New Republic is no Empire and is not likely throwing its money at churning out a whole new navy in a couple of years. At least in Ahsoka, we see that their new starships are primarily built using leftover material from the Empire. The E-wings we see are likely the start of a replacement program for ideally a cheaper starfighter than ones built for the Rebellion.
Newer generation x-wings matched or beat e-wings in performance and had more lasers. Outside of special cases, using multiple torpedoes to take out a mere starfighter was considered wasteful. Besides bringing a few extra torpedoes, the e-wing is outclassed by an updated x-wing. So it served as more of an updated hardware and software platform which would result in upgraded new gen x-wings eventually.
3:56 it is widely known by now that Lego sees early concept art/ early production notes and bases sets on that. Like the heavy scout walkers created for TLJ etc so it wasn't a lie, it is Lego taking a punt on early work.
0:09 Love how subtly you make us visually understand what kind of dream subject it wasn't a "euphemism" for.
I mean...Filoni introduced Interdictors in one episode and then used them more during Thrawn's attack on Atollon....so I think there is a high chance that E-wings will be used again later for some more scenes, they wouldnt just make a proper good quality model only for a single scene right?
Zeb wasn't even in Ahsoka, but they put his entire CGI character together for the smallest appearance in Mando
They built the E-Wing for one scene in Ahsoka
It's all building up to something bigger where these assets will be utilised, you don't just spaf money up the wall on those sorts of things (the sequel trilogy isn't real)
Im hoping to still see him. But my hopes are low.
It's possible Zeb and the E-Wings were made for Rangers of the New Republic and after that was scrapped they tried to find ways to still get some money out of them.
^ This. That's also why Netflix Uncle Iroh/The XWing seen around the universe is so omnipresent. He was supposed to be co-lead aside Gina. @@legorocketraccoon8297
I feel think they will put in sequel era stuff in. After all we’ve have to see Sloane in a show or movie, and Leia probably building the resistance
@@Bobspineable why would they do that if the sequel trilogy isn't canon?
* Key Jangling *
Eck: "This means something profound."
Oh you seem fun
I got spurs, that jingle jangle jingle
@@nathanwilliams3877(jingle jangle)
LMAO, unfortunately you are probably correct.
The way to said it made me think of the other massive sci-fi movie that came out in 1977, "We think this means something, we think it is important. "
I find the LEGO sets pretty fascinating. They get early concept art and an indication from Lucasfilm as to which ships and characters will be important, but they don't get all of the details. The best example is the spider monster from Mando S3 which is totally missing the creature riding inside. And the random characters in the Ghost set that were totally irrelevant lol.
I honestly think the E-Wing was solely a Legends bait. An Easter Egg. Ahsoka, as a show, was almost entirely carried by name-drops, ship porn and cameos. Fan service, nothing more. Hell, if you were right, they'd use the E-WIng at the end to escort Ezra's shuttle, instead of A-Wings.
Key jangling and shriveled rotten remember berries.
The can't even keep their own characters consistent so they need to distract you with visual bullshit *fuckin Ezra actually expecting to be saved goddamn it man*
Maybe after visiting the Night Sister planet (I don't remember the name) Thrawn will attack Lothal for its Fighter Plants and then we will see the E-wing in action. That might be why they focused on the planets, so that we get to know them before they likely die defending Lothal.
Since the E-Wing is one of my favorites, I was glad to see it. That said, it was basically an Easter egg.
I miss the top cannon, as much as people like to grip about it, it gave the ship personality. Also my head cannon is that it's probably on a swivel mount of some kind allowing a wider firing arc as well as resolving the canopy issue.
In Dark Empire where they were introduced, we see Chewie working on one. The cannon tilts straight up and stands upright like a spire.
It would hamper pilot vision so bad, should have moved down to the chin if it must have three canons. But two seems fine.
@@poolee77Yeah, it would blind the pilot, doesn't make sense to have it located there.
I was never crazy about the E-Wing (primarily due to the goofy gun over the cockpit) but they really did a great job with its design in this show. Hats off to the special effects people.
The cockpit and canopy are far too large though. The A pillars are massive which wouldn't be nice for the pilot constantly having to look around them. The pilots view backwards is also terrible. It really looks like the whole craft was scaled up for some reason, which makes the pilots look like tiny midgets. They could have done better on the interior of the cockpit too. The seat doesn't even have any head restraint/protection.
Your dream of Thrawn attacking is more exciting than what we got 😂
Imagine if instead of the prisonship breakout we got in Ahsoka the ship was being escorted by E-Wings. They're ambushed by an IR Gunship and several fighters, but the E-Wings are able to drive them off. The prisionship captain orders half the escorts to pursue and capture. After they split off and go into hyperspace, a Star Destroyer pops in, destroying the remaining escorts, disabling the prisonship and tractors it in. Then you can pay homage to the opening of ANH and R1, having the 2 dark Jedi cutting through the door and dispatching the defenders.
Something that would be nice to see. You know, strategy.
That furry comment, holy crap, I hadn't even considered that. XD I don't know if I would go that far with Dave's obsession with wolves, but it was a great joke.
You’re the only one I would 100% believe would have a dream about the e wing
I think the canopy cannon is the most iconic part of the ship. The whole E gimmick is a reference to the triple blaster setup, without it, it'd be more like a c wing.
It looks kinda dumb, but that makes it stand out from the x-wing or z-95 and other similar fighters
I am a legends first guy
Maybe have that gun bump extend back till the end , just being in the middle seems like a antenna on a head . Or design it like the Battlestar Galactica Fighters
Honestly, the only thing you really need to do is have the canopy slide forward. And probably extend the gun bump back as the other person commented.
Though if you want more firepower, put a laser cannon on the upper edge/corners so they'd be passing to either side of the astromech. Mount them far enough back and they wouldn't interfere with cockpit canopies or ingress/egress.
I'd prefer the three cannon Legends variant though. More unique, though I guess it depends on how important visible astromechs are to a person.
I mean, you called them Traffic Cops on an Outer Rim world, I'd call them a Squadron from the Garrison on a New Republic World.
I think "wasted potential" describes the whole show, and probably a good 80% of Disney Star Wars as a whole. :/
Feloni is great at bringing thinks back into canon but not always what he actually does with them when he does
“But not always what he actually does with them when he does”
Bro, wtf does this mean?
@Miss_Chevious nothing wrong with that. People need to accept that legends is gone and if they want star wars this is what your getting. Better filoni bringing good bits of legends in than someone who doesnt care
@@danielscrimgeour8812Legends are never gone, they are always there when you get a craving for good Star Wars
@@Ihavethetouch I meant that you won't be getting anything new and all the love action will be Disney era
The E-Wing is just awesome. And seeing them in live action was great.
I feel like I remember the E-Wing having an ion cannon that disables ships. Anyone else remember this?
I thought they gave it to the U Wing the Rebel Alliance's Main Gunship to replace the Low Altitude Assault Transports from the Clone Wars.
You're thinking of the Y-Wing and B-Wings which featured ions. The E-Wings always had a trio of laser cannons
@@VegetaLF7 the Y-Wing had ion cannons?
@@Gwallacec2Yea the turret is an ion cannon
@@Gwallacec2the top guns on the OT-era Y-Wing are ion cannons. The TCW version uses regular lasers instead, and games have been *inconsistent* with how they portray the ions (OGBF2 making them behave more like slugthrowing auticannons, for instance).
I had a Darth Vader dream once. bro's having Tie Fighters haunting his dreams😂
To be blunt Eck: Yes it was a waste.
Only you would dream about E-Wings 🤣 love you Eck
I think Lothal will be the one of the planets Thrawn threatens so we will see more of those e-wings eventually.
@Miss_Chevious I don't think he will attack Lothal. At least not initially. It's very much an out of the way planet. Personally I think thrawn is going to the Mountain we see in BB
@Miss_Chevious could just be heavily damaged. We also don't know of the BB themselves survive or if say everyone but Omega dies. Honestly it's going to be interesting what they do with it because the mountain was so important to the original thrawn trilogy
Lmao slowly but surely eck is gonna build an entire original ship rooster in his dreams.
God now I want to see a reenactment of Titanic with Kylo Ren as Lovejoy.
But but but... The Porsche Tri-Wing S 91x Pegasus Straighter needs a full feature film! More than 2 seconds in Ep1 of Kenobi
I know the E-wing is meant to better on paper, but the T-65B will always be the sexiest.
Alright, I'm gonna need EC Henry to make a "What Titanic would look like in the SW universe" video now.
2:38 Black Krssantan was a nice touch and a cool Nod to the Doctor Aphra comics. i dunno if we'll see Aphra in Live Action, but i hope she gets a Video Game. Star Wars Outlaws was kinda Perfect for Aphra, but oh well...
After the Fang Fighter vs TIE Interceptor fight that lego had teased with a set of the same name never happened, I realized that E-wing vs Hati's Fighter would also never actually happen on screen
Absolutely loved the EWing when I was a kid. Don’t really know why, but it instantaneously became my favourite fighter.
Looks like the Z95 head hunter replacement.
What can we even do about Star Wars at this point. It’s just like the rest of the world. Everyone talks about change but when it comes down to it we all watch and consume and leave disappointed in some aspect. I really liked Ashoka up until the last couple episodes. Why do we keep dealing with all these disappointing decisions.
"We all [...] leave disappointed in some aspect."
Not all the time! Andor left me thoroughly satisfied.
Also, my perception of the Ahsoka series was the opposite. I enjoyed it much more in the second half.
Don't despair friend! There will be good Star Wars and bad Star Wars. Luckily, everything is someone's (and a LOT of someone's) favorite project.
Never understood why they didnt think of placing the central cannon on the bottom. That way you can still claim that the cannons make an E shape, you dont have that cockpit blockage issue, and it just looks better.
Agreed! That design looked great on the Swordfish Interceptor in Cowboy Bebop. Also, a belly cannon would be easier to access and maintain. Or even stick the cannon in the fuselage, like the real life Warthog or the P-39 Airacobra.
You are correct, these CGI assets cost a lot to create to the extreme detail that we saw, and they will be re-used to recover cost. But then there is the B-Wing that got little reuse, the Pirate ship in Mando Season Three, and there are others. The point is, enjoy it when you see it, don't trust that it may be reused again.
The E-Wing is more Disney poaching the corpse of the Expanded Universe that they said doesn't exist.
I felt the same with the Mandalorian set with the tie interceptor and the fang fighter, not seeing them fight in the show.
When he said E-wing I had flashbacks of NBA Jam. "Ewing... for 3! Boom shakalaka!" 😂
I was surprised Hera’s squadron didn’t have any E-Wings, being a general you’d think she’d warrant a group of “advanced” star fighters instead glass cannon A-Wings.
I'd be happy with even having the E-wing shown as much as it was in this show. The Fang starfighter got little snippets in the Mandalorian in comparison and it had a much more robust history in current canon.
Yes.
It was all a waste.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
I do like how Carson Teva has become the Claire Temple/Turk Barrett of the Disney+ Star Wars Shows, in the sense he’s the character that kinda just connects the dots of the shows for the audience.
He felt a disturbance in the force
discussions of legends ships are the highest concentration of Canon/Cannon confusion
"I had a dream", ok Eckhart Luther King Jr.
"..of something greater", ok BaylonsLadder
I had a dream a few months ago that me and my family were going to see The Force Awakens.
It’s a great ship that I wish it was shown more. Even if for the last scene as Ezra’s escort ships. Also kept thinking of the Kylo meme of ‘more’ as you talked about the E wing.
Glad you addressed the euphemism potential
when i saw the episode i thought these E-Wings would be cheaper versions used in the outer rim to cut cost.
I think the E wing is important to Lothal is that originally TIE defenders were built at Lothal. The E wings are probably being built in Lothal using that existing infrastructure.
I still say the E-Wing scene makes me think of 2009’s Star Trek with little James Kirk joyriding in the old corvette
3:41 editors note lmao
I had a dream yesterday that I forgot where my house was. I think I actually forgot for a minute lol
In the RPG, I introduced the E-Wing B-2. I junked the pilot killer dorsal gun, added a second gun to each wing (swapped out for 4x X-Wing guns), and gave it a better powerplant. Problem solved; now it doesn't suck.
A few days ago I had a dream that Gideon would return with nearly Vader-level burns and a speech impediment and would be working with Thrawn
At least the E-wing was recognizable enough for me that when I saw it, I immediately went "Wait, is that an E-Wing?"
You know Disney starwars is bad when a dream, which everyone knows can be random, chaotic and extreme is better.
You know who dreams about the E Wing? Corran Horn.
if you crashed that hover bike ,your legs will be ripped off.
"I had a dream about star wars" you sir have my vote
"So this was all a waste?" Yes, yes it was. All of it.
What happened in the 'Titanic' dream? Was it the same story, except with 'Star Wars' technology? Or was it the same film, just with a different title?
We need a new series where Eck explains the lore of his dreams.
Dave said he prefers to bring back eu stuff rather than create original stuff. I guess that comes at a cost of it being an empty hollow shell like so many things with this show
For Mando S3 there was a Lego Set of a Fang Fighter vs TIE Interceptor set that hyped me up for a dogfight that never happened. So i had no hope for these E-Wings.
“All dreams have a deeper meaning”
My dreams:
Sounds like a great dream if you are dreaming of E-Wings
What I think we could see would be the destruction of Lothal by Thrawn. I just feel like the general public, who is not too familiar with Thrawn, need something that conveys to them how much of a menace he is. I saw and heard a lot of people who weren't familiar with him say that he seemed like a punk in Ashoka. I feel, like you said, that they wouldn't create the models of the E-Wing and Lothal for just the little bit we got. It just seems like a good use of assets, a good holy shit moment, and also would tie maybe into Thrawn wanting to finish what he started with the Rebels finale. Plus still holding out on the Lego theory. We have gotten a few sets now with two opposing ships. Up until now they were ships that actually fought each other in whatever show the sets were from. They could have just made a set for the E-Wing like they did the pirate snub fighter, and then placed Shin Hati's ship with Ashoka's Jedi shuttle, but they put them together and I don't think that was nothing. I know Shin being on Peridia takes a big piss on the Lego side of my reasoning but I'm keeping hope that we may see this in the future.
Thrawn wanting revenge is just not in-character for him. I don't remember him ever holding a grudge like that. They just need smart writing and show Thrawn outsmarting our heroes, not senseless brutality.
Loved in NJO how Blackmoon Squadron developed into a group of E-Wing Aces.
Wolves?... You forgetting about the cat Sabine abandonded?...
The Y-Wing was already used during the Clone wars, and should have replaced by the B-Wing or the K-Wing.
If it ain't broke, don't fix.
E-Wings been around from 90s I believe, way back in Star Wars: Dark Empire.and I love it.
the editors note xDDDDDD
More like everything in Ahsoka has been a massive misfire and misuse of the franchise, what should've been a smashing success. It fell very flat.
Most of it is really good on paper. But the execution was really all over the place... so much of it just didn't hit the right notes.
@@hellfish2309 Spicy fanfics 🌶
Like everything else disney wars
That fucking tangent about the furries had me rollin
I would not be surprised if the E-wing in the new canon is produced on lothal.
i didnt even realize it wasnt an xwing until yesterday when i was watching some videos on ahsoka
Gotta agree with u on the starhawk there😂 I’ve been secretly hoping to see one in live action for ages since I first saw that miniature :) 🤞
My first Star Wars dream was Luke Skywalker versus Fievel Mouse
Lothal is specifically known for it's production of fighters, that was its value to the Empire.
It's possible FreiTek Inc contracted with Lothal manufacturers after the GCW and Lothal may just be one of those places that produce E-Wings now with the result that even their local civil patrol has them.
"hey babe you were shaking all night, what were you dreaming about?"
"E wing"
I'm just glad they got rid of that gun above the cockpit. I always thought that was stupid.
IRL surplus military vehicles are often bought by local military/law enforcement agencies so it makes sense that some ships are seen in use by niche systems or planetary defense forces
The E-Wing is/was also in the X-Wing Miniature Game, formally made by Fantasy Flight Games. When Atomic Mass Games took over the E-Wing disappeared from the game because it wasn't Disney cannon at that moment.
Ecks having an Existential Ecrisis over Ewing Edreams.
E.
Man I’m literally holding a Lego e wing in my hand while watching this