Why John Daly REFUSED to film with Rick Shiels & BRUTALLY honest LIV opinion! EP142
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33:45 is when the John Daly conversation starts
Thank you! 👏🏻
Not all heroes wear capes.
Indeed a True Hero of TH-cam
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And there was me thinking it was hypocritical banter clickbait!
If I were John Daly I would fire my manager with immediate effect for total incompetence!!
They harped on about his name and brand but took a pass on getting him featured on the best Golf YT channel out there, and bringing him to a wider, younger audience?
His wife needs to clearly not be involved and the manager has to go. This is gross incompetence and lack of awareness of society and brand building in todays world.
It's amazing that after all his experiences Daly still lets the women in his life make decisions about his profession.
Or don’t you think John Daly who likes to gamble a lot off the course has told his management, I’m not doing a promo video without getting a cut. Rick Sheils would make a lot of money from YT on a video like that, why shouldn’t John Daly get a cut. Doing it last minute to maybe force a higher percentage is not good way, they could have agreed something before the day.
Can’t really fire your wife but I agree with everything
@@randybobandy7236 I didn't say to fire her, just get her out of the running of things. Not really sure how to put it lol
@@lukesurtees2211 it's not easy to just "get a cut" because the videos earnings vary massively and I doubt Rick is willing to go through the hassle of sending monthly or yearly earnings to John for ever more.
The reward is exposure, John Daly does not have access to this exposure on this platform. That is something the other pros and their management understand and so should John and his people
I think when you title something why John Daly refused to film with me, you should maybe post a short clip in which you are talking about that only. Because it gets annoying to have to try and figure out where in a 50 minute clip you actually talk about that. Take your shows and post shorter clips about certain topics. You will probably get a lot more watches on those shorter clips than the long ones.
33:10 for anyone curious
@@DaveHebert400 the true hero thanks!!
@@DaveHebert400 🐐
It’s the title of their podcast episode….
That’s actually excellent feedback!
This is kind of a little snapshot of John Daly's career, isn't it. He's adored and loved by golf fans around the world, he's infamous even. He really missed an opportunity to be himself in front of two million younger fans. Whatever they thought they were losing or trying to gain in negotiations was most likely lost ten fold. John Daly's enjoying a bit of a resurgence lately this could have been a really good push to that momentum he seems to be enjoying lately. I have never seen Rick Shiel's try to defame anyone or portray them in a bad light. I hope John reconsiders in the future, I'd love to watch him play with Rick.
Rick doesn't have the same personality as John so it would probably be a little lame Imo
No he isnt... most people wjo actually grew up watching him play or watched his career at all despise him.. the dude was a raving alcholic and a complete jackass who wrecked what little of a career he had and was mediocre at best (much like his son who is bang average if even that)
I don't think you know what "infamous" means...
Great comment Dennis and you're spot on with your analysis.
@@galdessa1 thanks...
I agree, regarding the shotgun start. I do enjoy it more when you have a leader in the clubhouse, with challengers coming up to the final holes.
Sweet! Every Thursday morning here in Australia. Can’t wait to see Rick and Good Good break the internet! 🔥🔥
We went to the event and were massively disappointed with the seniors. We got the feeling they weren't enjoying being there. It must be hard being millionaires and having to play golf for yet more money at the worlds best golf courses. Cheer Up!
One thing is clear watching any videos with John in it, John expects to be paid. His attitude is very much "pay me and I'm down for whatever". Not faulting him for that, he is a product that drives engagement.
I met him at the masters (hooters parking lot) as long as you buy merch he will sign anything and take a picture. That's his business.
You know if it was just up to John Daly- he would have done it all- film, match, podcast, hangout.
Unfortunate when “managers”/agents/spouses get involved and the only consideration is money and greed.
Wasn't it only a few years ago he was flogging his medals/merch out of the boot of his car on Magnolia Lane? It's sad, he'd won enough to set him up for life and has seemingly blown the lot. 😕
Which in reality cost everyone involved lots of money. John Daly beating Rick by 10 strokes certainly isn't going to cost him anything.
Daly knew what was up. Managers just represent clients, they don't make blind decisions behind their backs. Daly decided to change the terms of the verbal so his team did his bidding. That's how it works.
@@PawPawGreg totally agree, total dick move by JD imo
You don't know that do you? I bet you a ton of money that John said "who the fuck is Rick Shields"? "They've (Rick's film crew) have been her all morning, what are they doing? "Go get something in writing or we don't film today". Rick not having anything in writing is just a cheap way to do business.
Thanks for bringing up the emotion with Tony Finau. I cried myself watching with my 3 year old son. You can see how good it feels to earn it, like he said.
He didnt beat the best. You tears are probably based in guilt because you saw a person of color win and you're relieved of some perceived injustice that you feel responsible for. How pitiful!
He didnt beat the best. You tears are probably based in guilt because you saw a person of color win and you're relieved of some perceived injustice that you feel responsible for. How pitiful!
Tony is getting his chance to shine with these watered down fields!
@@frozengolfer6283 that's what makes these libs feel good. They want the best to step aside so they can use their racial ideology scheme to try and solidify the appearance of their benevolence. It really is deviant and pathetic.
@@frozengolfer6283 He broke the 72 hole course record with a 26 under with only one bogey. Let's not taint his amazing performance or put an asterisk by every PGA tour event.
Just listened to first 20 minutes of this cast and I must say, you are really nailing it guys! You are able to describe all this LIV mess in a way that no sport journalist do, and certainly no golf journalist do. You are proper fans with insight. Thank you! I’ll stay with you and support you. Cheers!⭐️
They are just sticking in the mud, and he knows where extra cash is coming from, the DP tour just paid him a fortune to highlight the Open with that Scottish woman. If LIV offered him big money, he would be off like a rat up a drain pipe.
@@afdkj In what way is it better, do you think? I hear a lot of talk on making golf better but nothing specific is mentioned. I don’t rule out that LIV can bring change to the PGA tour events that makes it better. I just don’t see how at this point. Hopefully it will.
The podcast is partly owned by the same owners as liv 😢
LIV is showing how many among us truly believe that, "there was more money in it for me," is a sufficient reason to justify just about anything. Sad really.
My biggest take from this is you should be unbelievably proud of not bowing to moving goalposts at short notice. Great podcast, keep it up team!
AGREE 100%. The time to have a discussion like this is BEFORE you take on the expense to make it happen. The fact that they (JD AND COMPANY) did not honor their handshake agreement speaks volumes about character. You are being more gracious than I would be Rick.
I am a huge Daly fan and so bummed his team screwed the pooch here. Loved to have seen you two together.
I was at JCB on Friday, saw you there and really wanted to come say hi, but you were with your family, so didn’t want to do that as you looked like you were enjoying a day with them. Still cool to see you in person though.
The event was really well organised, as my first golf event i really enjoyed it.
Rick, Love you mate. Stay true to who you are......its awesome......remember the old days of range time with sloppy video but we watched ANYWAY because of you.
Waiting for this impatiently! I hope he was OK though, he's usually great. Met him three times.
Would love to see Rick out in American courses, obviously just as excited to see how good good played on the UK courses! have you ever played any in the South West? some amazing ones down here
He and Peter finch played in Vegas there are 2 videos from that. Highly suggested
@@stevenhoole8467 thank you gonna watch them now :D
Look up Rick and Pete in Vegas.
Could you imagine Rick in 105 degree Texas late July Early August playing a oultaw challenge with the good good gents?
@@chanceainsworth722 you've just described my dream youtube video haha hopefully rick goes in the UK winter if he isn't busy with the family
Always enjoy your videos and podcast. I am 65 and love the Harry Potter series. Glad you were able to play with a Weasley twin.
One of my favourite things to watch on the PGA and European tours are the guys fighting to keep their tour cards coming down the stretch run in the season. It is so much less compelling that LIV players don't have any incentive to play well besides money.
This is very true you ride them home in the final events of the year. Or when some bloke has been playing lesser tours for years and years and finally cracks it onto tour. Heart warming shit right there
So its fun to see people struggling...I agree to that
Looking forward to all the Good Good collab videos!!
Very soon!
Yes! Drop em
New Subscriber here 👊 Good Good UK vids drop tomorrow Aug 3,ps love your content Mr. Rick 🔥
I hope not. Ricky is annoying. Why doesn't he bother Brits for fame? Oh yeah cause they're all lames and nobody is interested in them lol
@@SingleMaltBuckeye ...Wow! Who peed in your cornflakes this morning? Really negative vibes.
For me there is one reason to watch LIV.
Its the only Golf Event i can actually watch here in Germany for free.
Not sure how many episodes you’ve done with these newly adjusted settings (Shoutout to Alex Pettitt!), but the quality improvement is huge!
Loved the commentary on emotion in sport, and what makes you cry when you watch sport. This is what is it’s all about, not money.
I was at bedminster. They had 13 groups over 18 holes. I walked around following some of the groups. Then I hit a gap, not sure of the layout so I spent a little bit trying to refine the action. When they get more players I guess this will solve itself. The team thing is something I have to look at a little more. I do see where it might make a player that is completely out of contention play much harder.
I think if they have consistent teams and if they added some stakes other than just money it COULD be interesting.. right now it’s just bonus money, but I can see a team get upset/added dynamics who had 3 players play really well have to 2 weeks in a row carry someone like pat Perez who has been like 12 over last 2 tournaments ( I like pat just saying he got carried hard, and could have cost them a win)
The team aspect is probably the best part of LIV. What happens once they sign a full roster? How do they sign new players if there are no roster spots? Will there be teams that have 'bench' players like US football and hockey?
@@TheAboriginal1 They will just replace the names nobody has heard of before like Puig
@@galdessa1 it is interesting to think about. Maybe this will expand the number of teams.
It usually gets pretty messy when family gets involved in a players management, regardless of the sport. Family tends to be much more controlling than a hired outside party. Kind of hypocritical of them assuming Rick wanted views when they were probably gonna try and use the video to make a quick buck too, along with who knows what else they wanted. Good to hear that at least John seems like a good guy.
Country club adjacent (smaller group but gain traction) had him on their channel recently. They must have gave up all the monetisation plus some for that appearance.
It’s because John Daly doesn’t give a fuck about Rick or any of this he’s literally just they are playing golf for money like probably more than half of the guys out there
The thing about John is he doesn’t need Rick doesn’t respect Rick doesn’t care if Rick exists unless he can use it to get where he wants to go when Rick became useless to that idea they gave him the screws
@@timmytornado2171 you really have a way with words lad
@@WhatsUpSkaters but he's not wrong
Ha ha, watch him on Howard sterne show, he is a disgusting individual, I don't know why he didn't get fined for that
Remember LIV is just doing an invitational series, there real LEAGUE competition hasn’t even started yet
Love golf and all majors, but Rick you are absolutely correct that The Open especially when at St. Andrew's is the pinnacle of all golf!
I think it's the Masters, but I am American.
@@andya2665 I am American also. The Open just goes back to where it all began. The Masters would be my next in line.
Good stuff as always, and a shame that contractual rubbish stopped us enjoying the enigma that is John Daly. As for the LIV and sport - fully agree with your views-seeing those less fortunate and the effort that they put in defines sport
Less fortunate? Wtf are you talking about? Keep your lib crap away from golf, they all are priveledged.
Nothing really to do with contractual nonsense.
When a sportsman agrees to show up, to talk candidly and openly about his career in Golf, then have the decency, to show up, and not get others to apologise for your change of mind.
I attended the LIV tournament in Portland. The crowds were huge. The golf course was extremely tough,and we saw some outstanding golf. I got to meet Bryson, Abe, Dustin, Matt Wolff, etc. It was such a more relaxed fun atmosphere. I have been to many PGA tour events, and I’m sorry but they just don’t hold the handle compared to LIV in reference to entertainment. There was a great finish on 18. As a fan, I really appreciated the shotgun start. It was great fun…
My moral line in the sand is flexible, but not that flexible. I know some folks don't care, but I just can't personally.
Very unfortunate that the video did not happen. I was really looking forward seeing it. Let’s hope it will be possible in the future.
Honestly, I get more excited over Rick's Break 75 vids and the Good Good guys 3 v3 and 2 v 2 scrambles. Now that is fun and exciting.
Let’s just take a moment to applaud Guy giving away the headcover to the young lad. Will have absolutely made his day/week, probably telling all his friends at school etc.
Oh, and happy to say I’ve not watched a single minute of LIV Golf and fair to say it doesn’t sound like I’m missing much
I actually really enjoyed the last one
@@DamWG18 I haven't watched PGA tour since LIV started! The guys at the private club I work at are riveted watching it! Wait til Fowler and Cam Smith join LIV! Great personalities!
The pga tour is targically bad to watch, 9 shots in 35 minutes, dont be a sheep form your own opinion once you have tried it.
@@stevec2739 didn’t say I watched PGA Tour either did I? Tend to watch the major’s and that’s about it
liv is really exciting, should give it a chance at least
I think it’s super frustrating not to have been able to film with John as I bet he would have loved to be on a video and podcast. Just think some management agencies don’t get it and don’t see the bigger picture.
Matt ur a legend
or potentially, rich shiels is just uncool
Daly is on another level. Arguably one of the most popular draws everywhere he goes. We don't know the particulars or things that have happened to john and his team previously that would trigger this reaction. Obviously, it's been an issue before for him and his team.
nor the wives
Didn’t realise the UK TH-cam legend MATTHDGAMER was a RS fan
Fair conversation here... you are talking about not remembering LIV was on this weekend... who was top ten on PGA???
The good thing to focus on is everyone is talking about Golf!!
I'm pretty new to the world of golf but I'm very happy with the spotlight.. I'm very happy with the fact I can argue with my neighbour about golf... 2 years ago not many neighbours argued over golf!!!! now golf is hot topic!!!!
Nice Podcast for my as big golfing fan how much money who win does not influence me playing or watching golf. The emotion is what counts!
Nice vid lads, sad the Daly vid didnt work out! Would say though with LIV Golf, it doesnt appear as though youve given it much of a chance, comparing a new start up to PGAT events been around for years is not a fair comparison. Personally i could live without the shotgun start, but i do like the teams, leaderboard and that they have a lot of the popular and interesting players. I also wish PGAT would reduce thier schedule to condense the pros a bit more instead of spreading them out over 47 events.
LIV is shit it’s just uninteresting, it is not innovative or exciting at all. It’s just a cluster fuck of random teams and no one knows the names of any of the tournaments, it’s just unprepared . These guys were overly positive about the first event compared to the average fan, one of them even saying he went to it. They’re being dead honest , they want it to actually be decent but they don’t care coz its shit.
Totally a agree mate well said. I love Rick and Guy but what they said about LIV is complete bullshit, golf digest flaunts the money of all the majors and the fed ex cup so for them to say that this is basically the first time doing that is so ignorant. 2ndly, on the last day of the tournament there were loads of fans and it got pretty exciting when the majestics and the aces were tied for the lead.
I watched the liv for a few hours on Saturday and Sunday. As a new enough golfer, just over 5 years, I enjoyed it, and enjoyed the team format aspect of it.
TH-cam follower and enjoy your content.
Keep up the great work guys
Glad you enjoyed it
Same. Picked up golf during COVID. I really enjoy LIV. Lots of action, shots. I enjoy the team aspect too.
I love liv I enjoy not seeing a commercial every 5 minutes
@@hunterp5252 The SAME commercial every five minutes!!!😂
WHERE DO YOU WATCH LIV???
Guy I get week long hangovers now too, welcome to being in your thirties. Don't drink don't do drugs... just play golf. I remember you being a year younger than me working in the pro shop at Houghwood great to see you doing so well.
Rick, gutted JD didn't play with you. Would of been a once in a lifetime experience I'm sure not many golfers with his raw natural ability, imagine if he had the professionalism of Tiger he would of been a serious force to reckon with. Looking forward to see the Daly Jr and Charlie Woods rivalry that is looming develop.
I agree with the LIV courses. If they were able to get the best locations it would help interest.
The video with JD would have been the highest viewed video on you TH-cam page ever. Sad his team made such a huge mistake. Shame on them 😕
I went to the LIV Golf event in Portland. I thought it was incredible. It was well put together and very exciting to watch in person. I would definitely go back if they return next year.
Infograph arrives on the net showing the same investors as LIV own a stake in Rick Shiels PGA Ltd. All of a sudden a wild Rick appears with an "opinion".
LIV is great, it's already helped players on the PGA earn what they are owed, especially at the lower end development levels.
Would have loved to see the JD video but sometimes things don’t go according to plan. Thought you described the unfortunate situation with class, so fair play. Onwards and upwards.. Johns loss..
@Rick interesting observation from you and Guy reference LIV Golf. Interestingly, it’s the same comments I hear at my local golf club from the senior golfers, they all hate it, don’t get it , don’t understand the concept and yet all the junior players completely rant and rave about it saying how great it is and completely awesome it is to see. Just shows the complete split in different opinions. I mean if anything it’s creating a much needed spotlight on golf. That has to be a positive thing surely!
Read this comment Rick! This is a guy better informed than you about Liv Golf
“Rant and rave”? “Completely awesome”? Why? It’s been sh1t. Few star names and a bunch of has beens and never will be’s playing a daft format for guaranteed money. No jeopardy, no pressure and no prestige. Nobody even showed up to the last one. Hope you’re getting well paid to shill for it because it’s laughably bad.
@@Dreyno well that’s their feedback, not everyone shares your perspective. Just saying what I have heard from others.
@@PrimeKOS And my local club, the feedback from the juniors is the same as mine. Somebody out there must like it but I haven’t met a single person in the real
world that thinks it’s anything other than sh1t.
To be honest I've watched alot more liv golf than pga since it's came out the team concept is pretty easy to get. It's set up alot like high school or college golf. I enjoy the more relaxed feel and the shot gun start because I don't have to sit for 8 hours to watch it. I didn't even know Tony had won anything.
I enjoy relaxed settings playing golf too but I’m not calling myself a professional when I do that
Great to hear Michael Campbell get a shout out. Get to Spain and have a round with him, would be great content!
The story got you more views than if he’d actually played! Well done!
Should have just told them "let's film, then we show you the final video, and you can thumbs up or thumbs down the end result". Would've bought you some time to convince them. Seems like they don't get the idea of win-win. Now, instead, they have 2.25M fans seeing them in a bad light.
Sounds more like they (last minute) thought they should be parlaying it into a paycheck for themselves. I highly doubt they actually believe the video was going to clown him. They just made up some bogus excuse to try to discuss financials.
I'm 100% with Guy, I was pumped to watch more golf, loved many of the things I had heard, the youtube stream, the different format etc. But after 10min I was bored. It felt fake and lifeless. It's like you could see the players were there, playing golf, all looked a bit lost but they got buckets of money so they had to show up. It was lacking any feeling of atmosphere and thrill. I ended up quitting after 45min.
Lol listen everyone has an opinion. Last two LIV events, I would switch back between the PGA event and LIV…and LIV absolutely pulled me in. I mean, this past weekend on Sunday before teeing off 3 golfers were -20??? Hate how birdies become par, boring. PGA announcers are way more negative about the golfers, their shots, and about fans. I like the LIV leaderboard, shot difficulty meter, teams, new courses, behind the scenes footage, and the announcers. Also of course that golfers don’t lose money and are taken care of.
@@jfranklin8190 ya I can see people liking the exhibition tourneys for Liv, but the no stakes and everyone participation trophies they give just leaves no stakes to root for personally
You are upset at the PGA Tour because their players are that good that they are -20? I think the Tour has a nice mix of difficult setups and relatively easier ones. Plus you actually have to beat a real field. 48 players is not enough.
I generally agree with Captain Nemo except I didn't last 45 minutes. I get tired of hearing the announcers talking about how important LIV is due to the purse size. I also am completely against the shotgun start. I am a bit old school with regards to sports so there is that. Also I love watching golf on Sunday afternoons and LIV is of course not there. The team stuff doesn't do much for me. It all feels a bit like World Team Tennis.... popular but aging players who do not or cannot perform like they used to while they try to compensate with a hype machine albeit with way more money. I agree about the need to see a bit more to player needs but LIV does not have those players who really need that. I would like to see the PGA Tour provide lodging for caddies and players at each tournament along with a travel stipend which would help the journeymen. I really do not care about Pat Perez on a private party jet.
@@jfranklin8190 Yea! Take care of those hard done by golfers. The struggle they endured under PGA was a crime against humanity
I like the tribute to the old guys achievement. My partners late uncle, Jim Holmes of Spalding GC, also only started to play golf in his 50's and played up until 96 years of age, 8 holes in one and beat Mark James, then in his younger bad attitude days, twice, back to back, much to Mr James' annoyance. Sadly now playing the fairways in heaven we miss uncle Jim, local golfing legend, and the finest butcher in Spalding, shop was actually in Pinchbeck, best sausages ever!
I subscribed because of the collab with Good Good, love those guys!
Went to Wentworth many years back and followed Daly. His wife was selling merchandise from our her backpack. Got myself a signed glove for £20 quid 💰⛳️
Says it all 🤦🏻♂️🤣
That’s poor notice from “management”. They should have explained their situation sooner so Rick could have possibly filmed with someone else. What a disgrace.
I've learned about the old course from watching TV: keep a couple of slugs in your flask in case you go into the road hole bunker.
Have to agree it was a fabulous event! Me and my mate were by the 100ft putt at the time when Guy holed it and the lads face who was giving him jip was priceless 😂
Love the content Rick! Agreed about LIV, tuned into the stream and the production value just doesn't look all that great, especially not a fan of the overlays. Are there any plans to add timestamps to the podcast videos? Would love to see the podcast start using timestamps for different subjects you guys cover so we can jump around when we want :)
Oh yeah it’s the production that’s the issue not the genocide in Yemen
@Matthew Vermeulen the first tournament I wasn't so sure about the scoring graphics but by the second tournament I liked it.
Great podcast so sorry I didn’t meet you on Thursday I had played in the pro am Wednesday and was showing Michael Campbell and his son round the JCB Story at the factory on Thursday while you played.
I would still love to see you play my one armed friend Mark Marshall handicap 3 round JCB we are corporate members and this would make great content and I assure you no last minute hunches with 33 minutes to go😀
Wondering if you would have had the same feeling of seeing Paul McGinley if he was a losing Ryder Cup captain? if Henrik Stenson was to lead the Ryder Cup team into victory then I think he made the wrong decision, but if they lose? I wonder if his decision to give up the Ryder Cup captaincy was partly because he was not confident of a Europe win?
I agree with Rick's comments about the shotgun start, and overall not getting a sense of the flow of the event, where each golfer stands....it sounds as if you are trying to apply elements of a golf competition to what is a golf exhibition.
The bright scoreboard on the left shows you in real-time where everyone stands with how many holes are left to play. It's doesn't get any easier, if this or the team scores are hard for people, then lord help them. Even my 8 yr old got it in less than 5 minutes.
LIV lacks some interest, but it's also taking away from the PGA interest, both tours are extremely watered down now, minus the majors and big events.
Yeah because LIV poached guys from rhe PGA who all just so happen to shit theirselves when it's time to golf.
@@aidanwatson910 Lol what?
I love LIV golf. I watch every minute, it’s engrossing golf! The player list comprise my favourite 4 golfers... Phil, Bryson, DJ & Brooks!!!
That sweet saudi blood money
@@Jackson-fs9wq 🤡
@@Jackson-fs9wq The same money that owns some of Ricks company >.>
TH-cam Ryder Cup: Good Good vs Shiels, Crossfield, Lockey, Avg Golfer, Ali, and Robinson.
That. Would. Be. EPIC!
Ok, kudos to you for staying professional and playing well. Maybe John wasn’t involved but with the way he throws money at gambling it sounds like his management was more interested in making money and not having fun. I guess that is what golf is about today.
When golf went to TV it has been about the money, players and sponsors. Don't kid yourself it has been and will always be about the money.
RS was going to be the only one stuffing his pockets from the deal.
@@thomastrain7311 maybe you’re correct but the way Daly threw money around drinking and gambling and that most of the people he hung around with seem to leech off him, I’d tend to give the tie to RS and not Daly’s team.
The handicap system is all about gambling and money.
I love when the crowd yells "lets go Brandon" and the broadcast doesn't say a word, then they cut to a Brooks Kopek putt who is 10 shots back lol Liv is a shit show, they forgot players make their money now and pack it in. they have a lot of depreciating investments
I like the fact that LIV takes place on unfamiliar courses.
I liked the honesty about crying at sporting endeavour. Nothing at all wrong with that. It's just that you appreciate passion. Love it.
Golf at places like St Andrews is about history, LIV golf is new and still finding it's feet and in that respect (as mentioned), has created enormous interest - and yes money has a lot to do with it. We now see LIV (even in these early stages), starting to drop players who aren't up to scratch, let's just wait and see how it all develops and if LIV use different formats in the future as they are not like other tours and can change up if required.
Players not up to scratch? They must not have been watching any of the last two major showings that the LIV guys put on
I'm not necessarily for liv but I do like the competition to pga monopoly. Not sure why pga can't just coexist alongside Liv instead of all the strong-arm tactics. That would be ideal. I like how liv treats caddies too. Time they got the respect they deserve. Long overdue.
Because monopolies will do anything and everything to kill the competition. You need almost an unlimited supply of money to bring down or coexist with a monopoly.
Surely having all the elite players on one tour is better for the competition? Only going to have 4 events a year where all the best players play
@@2Thes22 trust me after the inflation in oil prices over the last 18 months the Saudis pretty much have an unlimited amount of money haha. However - it takes more than money to knock over a businesses moat, maybe the PGA is too strong in peoples minds
@Skip Baseless the PGA tour has been out for more than 100 years. They used to play the PGA here in dunedin Florida in 1929. Way more than 53 years.....
EVERY SINGLE RECRUIT made his first millions on the back of the PGA. My opinion is "Dance with the one that brung you"
Was at the JCB myself and despite living so close I overlook a couple of the holes it was the first time I'd been on the course, have to agree it was brilliant! what a fantastically organised at setup course, am so hoping it becomes an annual event.
Dealt with that nicely! Just enough comment about it all to make it clear. 2 pros right there. Love your stuff.
After watching Fridays Legends at JCB Rocester, I was feeling sympathy for JDaly upon his incredible patience waiting for Montgomerie and Mc Ginley to play their golf balls. But hearing this news, no sympathy required.
I wonder how LIV golf is doing in the young golfer age range? I wonder if kids that are coming up, are probably more likely to watch LIV because it streams. It’s just way more accessible to them and they don’t have the bias we do.
Yep, they won't have a narrative to follow, unlike the one being pushed here
They're destroying the PGA Tour on TH-cam view counts.
@@forrestrhodes That’s because the PGA has big money television deals. It doesn’t need TH-cam views. Ffs 😂
@@DreynoThe future isn't on the networks.
@@forrestrhodes It may not be but it sure as sh1t isn’t the Dismemberment Cup either.
What you guys are saying about LIV golf is similar to USFL football in the USA. Some great talent but odd mixes of new stuff that doesn't seem to click with the masses.
Did you manage to talk to John about the situation after the game.
Would be interesting to hear what he would have said.
Love the takes on the shotgun start. It kills all the excitement of a high drama finish.
Completely agree, for me the shotgun start is the worst part of it.
Couldn’t disagree more. I think it’s the best part. It’s much more time efficient. Who has time to be at the golf course/watch golf all day? Shotgun start is more equitable for the players (more consistent playing conditions; not as much worry about getting the better side of the draw) and more time efficient for the fans (who also have lives, things to do outside of watching golf).
@@billgowing7744 completely disagree for reasons above.
@@Somefatdude you are right regarding the conditions, makes it fairer for all and takes away the chance of poor weather being a big factor.
I just prefer seeing the holes played in order and knowing who has what holes to come up and seeing the journey through the course front nine then back nine, I’m finding it a bit confusing on the LIV atm.
I do also like watching the golf all afternoon & evening on a Sunday 😂 maybe I need to get a life 😂
@@billgowing7744 I get your point about playing the course from front to back, sorta like older music albums. However, with the XX holes remaining indicator, I don’t think it’s confusing at all; and in fact, I kinda like it.
And like I mentioned above, folks have stuff to do. Shotgun start is more time efficient for viewers at home and those who go to the course to watch. I love golf, but I’ve got stuff to do man. I work a long hours and have a family and other hobbies (little time though), too. Life is short, so I don’t want to spend a lot of time just watching golf. Besides, golf isn’t as popular as a sport and part of it is because of the slower paced presentation. Shotgun start helps with the presentation and puts more action out there at once in a shorter time frame.
In sum, I think the benefits of shotgun start outweigh dated ways of doing things.
Interesting take on LIV. Personally, I feel for the team dynamic to take off they should be playing in a 4-some with their team members. That’s where the commodore between players and emotions would really shine coming down the stretch.
Wasn't Lionel Ritchie a Commodore?
@@VG32123 LOL, camaraderie would be the word I was looking for.
I don’t like that they continue to compare a LIV event to the majors like the opens and masters. They continue to talk about how they didn’t know it was on but, no one watched rocket mortgage this year either
anyone else notice the odd flyby's of the holes during LIV, where the drone or whatever went down the rough and treelines instead of the fairways? What good does that do? Also, why do I care when they put up the player's stats on the screen and it includes how much money they make
Because there’s no prestige on the line so, like all moneyed yobs, they try and make up for it with dollar signs.
Unfortunate, maybe if Daly Inc. Knew how many players of all caliber your instruction assists their game? Zeros Zeros often create zero....would have loved to see you play with JD. Next time...next great of the game...lesson learned and moving forward. Best of luck RS & Co! Love what you do & it helps my game!
That really sucks about JD. I have met him and he seemed like a really nice, genuine guy. I think he fits in to the category of stars who seem to always surround themselves with the wrong people (think Mike Tyson, etc) and really just get a lot of bad advice. Hopefully he will come around. Good show either way.... Can't wait for tomorrow. GOOD GOOD AND RICK SHIELS!!!!!!
Uhm... you didnt watch john daily play when he was on tour did you? The guy was known as a raving alcoholic and a complete jackass.. and career wise he was mediocre af
Yeah... by the wrong people, especially, it seems, his wife 🤑🤑
I like how they can't recall the LIV winners.... would like to see them name the last 5 or 6 PGA event winners lol
I’ve not seen the John Daly part. But the point about the money takes away from the win is so true!
With regards to LIV coverage, the old adage about there’s no picture on scorecards springs to mind. When it comes to golf entertainment, the opposite is true. We want those pictures, we want the context. We want to know how each player got themselves into these situations.
I switched on LIV for a couple minutes and it was like watching a highlights programme. I had no idea what was going on! It’s just not for me really.
yeah me too. i didnt know which hole people were on or what type of holes people still had to play ahead. couldn't figure out who needed what on what hole to catch up or win.
Why John Daly refused to film with Rick Shiels: I'd have rather had a 10 second video saying the reason than have to sift through 46 mins in what ultimately became a clickbait title. Bad taste in mouth for this channel after this
Agreed man
I watched the LIV Golf event streaming it off the website. I liked the shotgun start. The entire tournament was all “up-to-date.” I’m not sure if I’m interested in the Team portion. However, I like anything that questions monopolies. There is nothing good about one entity never being challenged to change or improve or try things. LIV is not a replacement for the PGA Tour. I also find the anger against LIV appalling.
Anyone ask how many PGA Tour sponsors do business in Saudi? No, don’t talk about that. The LPGA is sponsored by Saudi Aramco. Where’s the outrage?
Tony Finau is a good player, but the tournaments he wins don’t have anyone in it. At least not top players. Nothing against him, but that’s the facts. I think Rick’s take on this whole thing is sort of silly but hey, everyone has their opinion.
One more question…. Does the PGA Tour sponsor this program?
I like Rick. Followed and learned from him as early as 2015? But he is biased as clear as day here. He got many invites from PGA Tour in the past. Got a few important spots in the recent TheOpen whose CEO Slumbers has nothing to say but malice against LIV. Nothing honest in this podcast episode. As to the other guy who is probably Rick's bff, saying that Henrik's win meant nothing to him? Who cares what he thinks. Henrik played and proved he still got game. LIV is a new golf league and of course its trophy will only gain prominence in time. That's how we value things. Year one anniversary is not as valuable as Year 25 obviously. But to be honest, RIck's BFF - if you can remember 5 golfers who won in PGA Tour last year and the events they won, that will be quite impressive. None of the PGA Tour events except Players and Memorial is worth any mention. At least the LIV events ensure the players earn their keep and Henrik's win has 4.375M worth of consolation.
it's true that the LIV is like a movie cutted several times by an adversiting or commercial spot .you can't be invested by the game. on the pga reports it's easier to follow the game
When I went to The Masters, John Daly was selling tee shirts out of the back of a van in a parking lot a few hundred yards from Augusta National.
I've watched pretty much every round of LIV and I can see how it will be exciting once we have 5-6 players and a team event is tight coming down the stretch. I also watched the event in Scotland at the Weekend with no crowd and a player I never heard of winning.
Hope you guys give it a chance before writing off LIV. I've followed it closely for all three tournaments, and I'm really enjoying it. The team aspect is definitely compelling, especially choosing teams and making bets with my friends. There were three story lines to create drama at the end. Who would win overall (Henrik's par on 17 was clutch). Then what team was going to come in first, and what team would come in third. I love the PGA tour too. Loved that Finau won, and great to see a true family good guy win. But there was no drama coming to the end of the PGA this week. Plenty of room for LIV and PGA to co-exist. There is so much talent out there, just trying to make it to the next level.
That sucks that they thought you'd be using him for views, at least they should've let you film it and you could've sent them the final edited version so they could've seen that wasn't the case, truly sad you couldn't get the content, love the content boys, keep the good work!! 🍻 Cheers!!!
Exactly.
That alone proves that Daly’s management is incompetent.
You allow them to film it & require final say on edits.
I’d bet $ that Daly’s team wouldn’t have edited anything from Rick & the teams Final Cut.
Pure incompetence on Daly part & his “team.”
33:25 John Daly talk, you're welcome
You guys are falling nicely into the media narrative for LIV! Either way, I like your content and keep it coming!
that is because performance 54 (LIV/Saudi Golf) have large interests in their company
They are saying what the vast majority of the golf population are thinking. It’s a terrible product.
New doesn’t mean better.
Hey Rick - Love the podcast and the TH-cam videos. But also REALLY enjoyed the LIV golf this past weekend. The course was exceptional and challenging. LOTS of great players. The team competition added a cool dimension. Not sure what was not to like??
P.S. My home course is Eagle Creek GC here in Orlando. When are you coming back to play it again?
Great video again guys and completely agree about LIV, the build up is entertaining, but the actual golf (telecast) is a little flat. Although, gotta love David Feherty, he does have a way with words..
And just for others posting comments on here, please research the difference between the PGA (Professional Golfers Association of America) and the PGA Tour. This division has absolutely NOTHING to do with the PGA.
I think most peoples issue with LIV is where the money is coming from, but essentially, this IS exactly what the PGA Tour golfers did to the PGA in 1968.. I'm hoping that sometime in the near future the Pga Tour and DP World Tour see sense and all work together for the betterment of the sport, not their own egos.
wrote a small book - deleted it - LIV golf not going away - enjoy more golf to choose from on some weekends!
LIV brings nothing new worth watching, and mostly has fake fans that either don't watch golf or watch very little. Too much revenue out + very little revenue in = won't exist in 10 years, perhaps not even 5.
It sounds like Daly's management tried to bulldog you. Basically, they waited until the last minute to create an urgency on your part to either accept their terms or get nothing. Old school negotiation used by people who win either way. Had the agreement been on paper, you could have avoided it. Honestly, I'd just avoid that group altogether in the future because you better believe, Daly knew what was up so, pretty crappy move all around and sure representation of the character from that camp.
Comparing the liv invitational to the open is never going to end up well !! I think we should wait until next season when things have properly begun
Re LIV tour I also don’t get the team thing. Teams usually play in same colour, play together have some sort of confrontation with the opposing team. This just seems to be an after thought
John can do what he wants everyone already knows how great he is
The best part of watching LIV is just how much golf you see - good shots, mediocre shots, bad shots...a bit confusing at first but a better representation of how all the pros shoot at any given weekend
That will end as soon as they get a TV deal with sponsors for commercials. They're just doing this to create traction.
It’s so much better you get to see everybody play at least some and it’s over in four hours. A regular pga even doesn’t sniff the amount of eyes on liv right now
@@Tyler-dn8wn Except facts beg to differ. It bombed at the weekend.
And all of those shots, in about 4 1/2 hours. I enjoy watching liv golf much more than the pga…ESPECIALLY now that liv has feherty! I remember someone hitting a terrible putt this past weekend and as the ball finally settled about 10 feet from the hole, David says “oooo, that’ll make you want a hug from your momma”🤣🤣🤣🤣
Richard house’nt got a clue