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- Stephen Moss is a former investigator at the Air Accident Investigation Branch in the UK. Moss spent 35 years investigating crash scenes, including Lockerbie and the Manchester runway fire in 1985.
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Her: "It's a Nicolas cage movie"
Him: "Well that doesn't bode well does it?"
Yeah, I hit like pretty much immediately just for that.
We watched the same video as you
@@kylegregory2876 he's writing it out for all the blind people watching this
/s
That's high praise.
@@kylegregory2876 and your mom too a little bit
He's painfully English. Representing us well. No thrills, no fluff. (Edit: this comment has got more traction than anticipated, just relax when you comment, remember, no one cares.)
5:19. That haha cracks me up.
That’s why we love the Brits!
No emotion.
Huh ???
He was working in my town, big up Farnborough.
Worst crash where everyone dies....”yeah, thats the most realistic.”
Great.
I think it would have crashed quicker, but for the movie it had to clear the road ;)
He gave that a 8/10
The last one was a 9/10
@@clover5172 I believe, he called the crash itself very realistic, indeed the most realistic, but he subtracted for the fairly unrealistic aftermath.
tbf crashes aren't common but when they happen they're usually pretty bad so he's not wrong
@@nunyabusiness4682 That is not true, by far most airliner accidents are luckily survived by everyone.
I've read this man's book - highly, highly recommend. Kind of like here, he has a very no bullshit way of writing. This man has so much experience and knowledge.
What’s the book called?
@@spencerbrown3875 I can't remember and I can't find it on Google which makes me massively doubt myself! I guess it's possible that he was just so heavily quoted, or that he co-wrote it, or something. I picked it up for £2 at Farnborough museum about 4-5 years ago and it was brilliant. Passed it onto dad to read. I wish Moss would look at this thread and tell us! In the meantime, let me see if I can find it.
@@KeithApp I don't think he wrote it. The book is about aircraft investigations and it's quite old. He is interviewed in the book A LOT, about every single crash. It's basically just interviews with him. I got it at Farnborough Air Science Trust and have since given it away. It's killing me that I can't remember. I tried searching for "Aircrash investigation" but I'm just getting the ones that the tv shows were on. I need to spend a bug chunk of time and dive deep until I find it.
Ok so the books that I got at Farnborough were:
- Christine Negroni: The Crash Detectives: Investigating the World’s Most Mysterious Air Disasters
- David Owen: Air Accident Investigation
- Nicholas Faith: Black Box: Inside the World's Worst Air Crashes
I'll try figuring out which one of these was the one with loads of his input.
@@silverlining7112 thanks for sharing these titles. I’m literally going to pick up all of these from the library :D
"...above the wing... Because it's very strong, the structure, however, if there's a fire, you're sitting on top of fuel tanks.". So have fun picking seats on your next flight.
Ben Smith Bro that’s so interesting about planes and where to sit. Even if you think you found a safer seat whether it’s in the front, middle, back, there’s always another type of crash that can make that seat worse to be in
The approach I take when considering any concern about flying is... no matter what I personally do, no matter where I sit, if this plane crashes, i'm dead. So why worry?
Imagine being afraid of flying when your way more likely to die on the drive to the airport....
I always book windows seats near the rear. Best place for taking pictures :D
@@alastairtrasler-brown8197 The worst case scenario in a plane is a crash. The second worse case scenario is surviving the crash because now you have to deal with probably several serious injuries, pain, maybe fire, maybe water, whiplash if it was a bad crash, and a whole shitload of paperwork if you don't eventually die from environmental factors. I dont want my plane to crash, but if it does ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ its been a good run lads
Man: *is on fire in agonising pain*
Nick cage: "Hey!"
i just read that like a lego commercial. XD
A PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO BARE LAND, IN LEGO CITY
BUILD THE RESCUE HELICOPTER
AND OFF TO THE RESCUE!
THE NEW EMERGENCY COLLECTION FROM LEGO CITY
Each sets sold separately
I love that he doesn’t offer an explanation for his ratings. He’s just like “6. I said what I said.”
"It's a Nicholas Cage movie." "That doesn't always bode well, does it..?". Sips tea. Dry as a bone - perfect.
I really like his no nonsense and matter-of-fact attitude.
Yes, I like. I like that he's the opposite of a douchebag about it as well. My grandpa made planes, and he pretends to be no nonsense as a method to better position himself to intimidate people (usually for no good reason).
It fits his job i guess
I initially read that last word as "altitude"
Aircraft safety is written in blood, you need to be matter-of-fact and dispassionate to deal with this kind of job, or you'll go crazy
It's sort of how most British men his age are. Dying breed unfortunately
Next video: Real step mom breaks down porno scenes.
Yes pleaaseeee
I’d do it if they want a cougars break down 😉
Oof
@@myjeanification you a freak huh?
HAHHA omfg great comment.
The in-flight incident in the movie Flight is supposed to be based on Alaska Airlines Flight 261 which crashed in the Pacific in 2000. In the Alaska incident a failed jackscrew in the empennage jammed the pitch trim mechanism and eventually deflected to full downward trim (before ultimately separating from the airframe). In a last ditch attempt to save the aircraft the crew flew it inverted so the pitch down trim was pitch up. The efforts ultimately failed but they did have the aircraft stable in altitude for a short time.
Thank you, came here for this comment!
And it did not break up by being inverted. It is odd this man seems to have forgotten this fairly well known accident.
The CVR tape of that crash is just heartbreaking, because that crew fought the airplane heroically all the way to the end. Sadly, the broken jackscrew, caused by shoddy maintenance habits, was
an event no crew could overcome.
@jodycwilliams in his defense he's AAIB not NTSB. However, the Alaska Airlines accident would hardly go unnoticed among those in the aviation world.
@jodycwilliams I seem to recall the Alaskan was in a very steep inverted dive. The inverted scene in the film was much more level and I believe much more stress inducing.
I loved the difference in perspective. When a professional pilot reviewed this scenes from "flight" she said "yes, dropping fuel in this case was right and, yes, going upside down would also help keep the plain stable in this case" but the guy that works with plain crashes thinks this is all wrong. Depending on your specialization you can see the same thing and reach opposed conclusions
It can be a perspective thing. Pilots (at least while they are flying) react to what their instruments tell them. Air crash investigators examines the bigger picture beyond the aircraft itself.
Also, he knows, no1 has ever successfully done it. If the plane flies inverted, ur gonna die.
@@dfuher968 i think several pilots did it. The pilot in the video explains why she thinks this would actually help in that scenario too.
You may think that's a good idea but the guy that picks up what's left of you thinks it's not.
2 passanger planes have been inverted but still everybody died, this man knows what hes talkin about bc he has picked the crap up after the planes crash.
I always find that clip from Knowing very funny. Why the hell is Nicholas Cage shouting at a burning survivor and looked disappointed that he gets ignored?
typingbacon not to mention he then puts his invulnerable arm into the fire without any harm to him haha
It's a premonition isn't it? He isn't really there?
@@AnonEyeMouse No he's there if I remember correctly. His son has the premonitions and writes down dates and locations and he starts to notice all his son's writings predict the tragedies.
@@AnonEyeMouse you're thinking about another Nic Cage movie called Next
@@stuv1996 it wasn't his son's writings. They numbers were found in a time capsule at the kids school I believe.
Welcome to another episode of: “Where the quarantine has lead me today”
You're welcome 😂
Dude I get you. This has been a long rabbit hole I’ve gone down. Just watching these kinds of reaction videos lol. At least they’re interesting and informative!
😂🤣☠☠☠☠
Lol I've been watching expert reaction videos for like 2 years now.
ldc
My father ditched off the coast of Burma in a Wellington Mk2 in 1943. Because it was made basically of wood and canvas , it floated for more than 5 minutes, giving them plenty of time to get out, inflate the dingies and paddle away, five miles to land. Avoiding the Japanese patrols for the next two weeks was the hard part.
Omg
The Wellington's geodetic steel fuselage gave it incredible strength. Probably why your dad's bomber didn't break up on impact.
Wow what an incredible story
I need you to make this into a movie
A friend of mine was on a flight from Africa to America. Mid flight the plane dropped. He said the fall made his whole face shift and he was about to pass out. So it’s kind of welcoming to know the individuals would pass out before experiencing that kind of horror.
You experience negative Gs that can make you pass out, but the G load decreases as a steady heading is achieved, which could wake you back up.
9:21 "what happens next is not so realistic"
Nah I can totally see Nick Cage just casually shouting hey hey at someone on fire then ignoring them and running off again
And the best bit soon after when he reaches through high flames for someone who is dying, then walks off to do something else without even his sleeves singed let alone his hand flesh.
I know right, like he doesn't even try to chase them down and put them out. He's just like, "HEY!......he ignored me. Well I did all I can do."
@@camward9293 Tbh if you look at all these people who drive by an accident, drive slower to make a photo or just watch like an idiot and than drive off without helping/calling for help.... Doesn't seen so unrealistic anymore 😂
Here solely for reassurance that the Final Destination crash isn't realistic
Its bases on TWA800. Exploded from electrical short circuit in fuel tank
spchalupa but that’s completely different
Agreed. There’s no way you’d see such decompression effects at low altitude.
I only watched one of the Final Destination movies and that was enough for me. It's so easy to see how unrealistic the deaths are. If they *are* realistic, the chance is one in million that it would happen to you. Get me a *real* horror movie, please!
@@DavidHenderson1 Final Destination films were never meant to be serious horror films and were completely self-aware of how ridiculous they were.
This guy is so cold and has a real "F you that's the facts" attitude.
.......I LOVE IT
0:06 dude is just chill watching plane crush like 👁👄👁.
A good friend of mine died in an airplane crash a few months ago. As devastating as it was to watch those scenes, him saying multiple times that these things end quickly or the people go unconscious rapidly was actually weirdly comforting. so thanks ig
I’m very sorry for your loss. Condolences.
Which crash?
Which plane crash?
aorry for your loss :(
@@shadymcnasty5920 the May of 15 2020 the 737 incident were the plane crashed on take off I think
Flying inverted has historically happened - twice actually, however both times the airplane crashed and everyone died
Brian you had us in the first half
Yosuru Shi The idea of inverting the plane in the movie and how they would have done it actually came from the black box recording of a crash where this happened - I believe they were flying over the Pacific to Canada.
Now it is also true that the plane crashed while it was inverted and that the plane is not designed to play that way
@@brian2440 you mean the expert, on this vid, is actually correct then?
It's all to do with the design of the wing that gives you the lift and the angle of attack to aid the lift. Airflow goes slower under the wing and faster over the top for the density of air ratio and that's why they always try to take of in to the wind. If inverted they lose all that design flow quickly and fall out of the sky, just like stalling a wing, by doing too tight a turn in flight.
@@JonBowe wouldn't that also give the aircraft "lift" to the ground as in... accelerate the fall?
"This would never happen, it's completely unrealistic... 6/10"
Really glad he talked about Sully and how the film vilified the NTSB (because they thought every film needs a villain).
And it's Clint Eastwood, so gubmint bad, I guess.
Interesting that one of the more realistic ones, is Fight Club, where the entire crash is just a figment of the character's imagination - which would give a plausible excuse for any inaccuracies XD
That's the power of Fincher.
@@AStateOfProgressive The character in question IS a crash investigator.
But not of airplanes. He works for an auto company
Mr. David Fincher for you.
Also,he seemed to more or less agree with The Dark Night Rises scene,and that's Mr. Christopher Nolan.
@@samlava3026 ok
Insider: "It's a Nicholas Cage movie."
Him: "That doesn't always bode well does it?"
Me: "I like this one."
Knowing is actually a great movie though
Good one, Thor!
@@thewinner7382 no
The Dark Knight Rises scene is definitely bombastic for the sake of the film, but Nolan's commitment to doing as much stuff for real and not VFX is what makes it work.
7:33
Alaska Airlines Flight 261 flew inverted as they had problems with the elevators being stuck, causing the same problem in the movie. They did not make it to an airport and eventually crashed in the ocean. The fault was the elevator jackscrew was not properly maintained. So while not likely to happen, it had actually happened before.
Not like it did in the film though. They were troubleshooting the issue for more than an hour before they lost the stabilator completely, forcing them to attempt to maintain altitude by going inverted.
I suggest listening to the CVR and ATC transcripts of the event.
They were so close to figuring it out, but only airplanes with a high wing or a midline wing can glide inverted. They were basically pitching up into the terrain if that makes sense.
Terrible accident, and Alaska Airlines only fatal accident.
I have an instructor who flies as a first officer for them.
@@lemonator8813 Sadly an accident that resulted from the FAA allowing Alaska to extend the maintenance intervals on their MD fleet which lead to the situation where an improperely checked and lubricated jack screw nut assembly sheared off in flight.
Alaska took the blame, but the real culprits were behind a desk in Washington oblivious to their poor decision making.
@@darreng745 And they wonder why there is a massive shortage of pilots following their terrible decision to make becoming an airline pilot almost impossible without going into 6 figures of debt following the Colgan accident.
It's like these people have no idea how aviation works.
@@darreng745
Congratulations Clint Eastwood. Blame the government even if it’s not their fault.
No, the aircraft manufacturer allowed them to extend the interval. They also we’re not lubricating the jacks grow properly. And in addition. The last time the screw was inspected. It was in poor shape, and was recommended for a replacement. But the airline decided not to replace it.
Or to inspect it sooner.
So remember while you’re busy, blaming everybody else but the corporations who actually caused the problem nothing gets fixed. What’s your answer get rid of the FAA?
Why don’t you ask Boeing how that worked for the 737 Max.
They did most of the work without the FAA oversight. While lying to the FAA. How many billions of that cost them?
And how many sales did they lose to airbus over it?
The problem was Alaska airlines maintenance.
I’d love to hear this man talk for hours about aviation safety
Go to Air Force Safety School and bring a pillow
No. You wouldn't.
Me too, one of my favorite subjects. When I retire I want to be an Air Crash Investigator
That's what she said!
He's used for a few of Air Disaster episodes from the Smithsonian Channel. The youtube channel Wonder has bunch of the episodes uploaded, plus a channel called mayday air investigation.
This mans apathy is actually kind of comforting weirdly
I see it more as calm professionalism. His profession requires a by-the-numbers attitude.
Apathy is being uninterested; he is merely being disinterested.
Not apathy. A professional view on various movie scenes stated calmly and clearly. I love his manner.
he would've been trained to be like this as most people when dealing with things this dangerous are taught to stay calm and remain logical and methodical so they can think about how to solve the problem. Then there's also the fact that he must've seen some really horrific things in his career and so is very desensitized and silly hollywood movies wouldn't effect him in the least
It’s like when a parent tells you calmly that monsters aren’t real except he’s telling you monsters are real
Factual, no frills, good explanation. You need more people like him.
Flight was based on a combination of Alaska Air 261 and Southern Airways 242. Alaska had the broken Jack screw, and they did end up briefly flying inverted over the Pacific Ocean, but that roll was unrecoverable. Southern 242 is where the hail (extreme water ingestion) and landing in a field in the SE United States. The Flight Airplane was an MD-83. Alaska 261 was an MD-83, and Southern 242 was a DC-9, meaning both aircraft are of the same certificated airframe derivations.
*looks at a crash in real life*
This guy: "Yeah I think I'll give this one an 8/10"
Lol
Ok. Now do real ex president reacts to Cory in the house.
Not gonna lie, now i really want an Obama reacts to Corey
11/10 would nominate again
Crono Necronis Obama ain’t cool anymore. Dudes a straight up criminal
@@_notofthisearth We'll get Trump on it soon enough, he'd like seeing another person turning the WH into a comedy act as well
Lee C. You have no idea who Trump is fighting against, or else you wouldn’t care if he throws insults at people who deserve it and far far worse. You’ll find out soon enough though.
Me: Has Flight Anxiety
TH-cam: Wanna watch a video about plane crashes?
Me: Sure
Steve, Jim Weatherley and I were talking about you this morning, recalling our time working with you and the investigations we were involved in. Should you ever see this know your are remembered with great fondness and respect. Best wishes, Andy Brierley, RAE Photographic Dept.
when the side of the plane errupted and the people got sucked out and he said "well nothing wrong with that, that could happen"
i didnt felt that
HAS happened. Correction.
Well you’re in the air and there’s a hole in your plane... what you gunna do? Fly to safety haha
Well it has happened its the reason why we have inspections after so many flight hours.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Your talking about the Cargo door incident? The one that ripped out a few rows of seats and a large whole in the fuselage?
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 United Airlines 811
This poor guy looks like he’s seen some stuff during his years working 🙁
I’m British and I’m obsessed with how fed up he is with movie plane scenes. Adore him ❤️❤️
this investigator is an absolute legend among plane crashes and investigations, love the man, if there was a plane crash, i’d assign him to it anyday
The beginning of this video cracks me up for some reason, I just love how they're showing him an intense plane crash and he's just staring at it like "damn, really hate Thursdays man".
how can you hate Friday eve?
God bless! This dude investigated Lockerbie. How terrible that must’ve been.
I flew on that Pan Am Aircraft in 1983 coming to the US for my Brother's Funeral. I was stationed in England in the USAF/USAFE at RAF Upper Heyford.
James Alexander what happened?
@@robbyg6265 Don't you have Google? I mean, it's not like we don't have internet or a lot of time on our hands...
Candice ecidnaC not like we are in quarantine stuck in our homes
@@robbyg6265 plane went boom thanks to so nice terrorists.
On the movie flight, he talks about flying inverted is unlikely because he didn't think the airframe would support it. But that's exactly what happened in the real life event that inspired the movie.
And the airframe didn't support it. Well, it wouldn't, only it hit the sea seconds later
He is a wealth of knowledge. I loved hearing all of the little details about how areas of different parts of the plane are strengthened.
I’ve actually met Steve moss before, due to the fact my granddad was an air accident investigator, and I went to the farmbrough branch for the 50 year anniversary
Hey Josh, what was your grandfather’s name? I knew Steve well and possibly worked with your grandfather too.
@@1967AJB his name is David Miller he retired a while ago but he worked there for a long time
@@joshgilbert5376
Sorry, the name doesn’t ring any bells with me, but I’m sure he had some great stories.
@@joshgilbert5376 was he interviewed for mayday ( national geographic ) series?
@@marjattakolari521 yes he was
Next video: Time traveller reviews time travel scenes in movies.
🤣🤣🤣
These type comments have jumped the shark
@@SWalker71 jumping sharks review movies jumping the shark?
They will film that video six weeks ago.
@@SWalker71 Shark reviews shark films. "That looks fake as Farq".
Really enjoying this. I did want to note that (very sadly and tragically) the Flight scene was loosely based upon an Alaskan Airline crash. A mechanical screw that controlled the elevators was first jammed then stripped. And in fact the crew did fly that plane inverted shortly before crashing into the ocean. On the cockpit voice recorder the crew mentions being inverted.
So in a terrifying sense some of that had traces of reality to it. As much as I hate to credit that movie.
I think some of the longer crash sequences are to simulate how long it feels to those that are able to survive. Also, there's a lot going on in the moment, so they're trying to give the audience time to recognize & process what they're seeing.
I would like him to read me the Harry Potter series while I sip on Earl Grey tea
Darjeeling is better in my opinion. 😁
Simple green
PG Tips 🤟🏻
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@@gobineko8121 where im from Simple Green is an eco friendly kitchen cleanser and im guessing its the same for you
He sounds emotionally drained and I just wanna say if he needs a hug my arms are already open
It’s just an inevitable consequence of living in Britain.
He's English of course hes emotionally drained
Anyone would be emotionally drained after having to watch a Nic Cage film and review it for realism.
@@rockstarJDP LORD OF WAR, good sir!
I just figured this guy has decades of investigations, has been interviewed dozens of times for documentaries (he does not sound as worn out and depressed in Air Disasters than he does here) and is just thinking "Is this what my life is like now?"
I like him ☺ he has such a kind, comforting aura about him. He the kind of grandfather anyone would be lucky to have. ☺. I could seriously sit and listen to his stories all day. He'd certainly not be boring!
My paternal grandparents hated us because our mother had us and my maternal grandparents didn't bother with us.
He's awesome. I give him a 15/10. 🌟
It’s so hard to understand what he’s saying. His vocal fry is unbearable
So, the Fight Club airline scene was one of the most accurate. BUT, that wasn’t a crash that happened - it was how Edward Norton THOUGHT it would happen. So, Edward Norton’s imagination is more accurate than “actual” Hollywood plane crashes. 😁
00:32 Final Destination (2000)
01:51 World War Z (2013)
03:07 Non-Stop (2014)
04:15 Fight Club (1999)
05:11 Die Hard 2 (1990)
06:22 Flight (2012)
09:00 Knowing (2009)
09:57 Sully (2016)
11:49 The Aviator (2004)
13:11 The Dark Knight Rises (2012)
14:01 Alive (1993)
16:18 Unbroken (2014)
Doing the lords work. I wish he did War of the Worlds from 2003, since the set of that crash was on the LA universal studios tour for years.
@Wolf Elkan not all heroes wear capes
where's Fearless? Great movie.
You can tell in the way this man speaks and his affect that he knows tragedy and death and understands it in a way that most people never could. This kind of more depressing than interesting because he’s dealing with the loss of life.
He's wise and professional indeed
On another episode of reading into things way too deeply
@@mohamedbenlashher4510 still theres something to it.
Well way to make everyone who found the video interesting seem like an asshole
You can assume that from his profession, but he speaks completely normally for a man of his time. It certainly shouldn't be depressing, you may want to see a psychiatrist.
This man is a legend!! He’s been on many crashes and he’s still here to teach about them. Legend!
As somoene who wants to be an aircraft mechanic, some stories of not only crashes but also maintenance related accidents I was told because of negligence are quite haunting. But I think it's important for me to know the consequences of these actions so I can do my (hopefully) future job properly and avoid, for example, killing hundreds of people because I used the wrong fasteners (yes that actually happened).
Nothing cuts you to the core like a a fatal aircraft accident on an aircraft you recently worked on.
Do good work.
Yeah, as I'm sure he knows, the flying inverted part of that film is loosely based off Alaska 261, which suffered an irrecoverable loss of pitch control caused by a jackscrew failing from improper maintenance. The two highly experience pilots attempted to even fly the plane inverted (and did somewhat successfully) until it pitched down and ploughed into the sea. All 88 souls lost.
They didn’t actually fly inverted intentionally or otherwise until the death dive, otherwise you got it. For those who aren’t familiar with the accident or the DC-9/MD-80 series, the aircraft has rear mounted engines, and which necessitates the wings be mounted further back, this causes the aircraft to not tolerate imbalance well. The DC-9/MD-80 overcame this with a jackscrew in the horizontal stabilizer in order to very slightly adjust the overall angle of the entire stabilizer in response to certain weight conditions. Front heavy? Adjust. Rear heavy? Adjust. The jackscrew on flight 261 received inadequate maintenance, and malfunctioned in flight, the threads on the jackscrew then all broke off and the aircraft was then uncontrollable. Elevate controls did nothing as the stabilizer they were mounted to was just flapping in the wind essentially, it may have been jammed upward but the effect was the same, they had no control of it and they crashed in the pacific from 20 thousand ft.
@@Wozrop Lord that sounds terrifying...
Exactly the Alaska flight did it
i saw another video where an ex fighter pilot (currently a line pilot) said that it is possible to do a barrell with a commercial plane but only at high altitude and it would be really slow
@@dogsandyoga1743 It's been a nightmare of mine ever since I read about it. Just what an incredibly terrifying final few minutes... (sniffle)
The sorrow and compassion in this man is compelling and heartbreaking.
Wdym?
Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes
Ok
It's like an ER nurse or cop... They become desensitized to what most people would consider horrendous due to seeing it regularly.
CSI here. It’s how you cope with distressing incidents. If you get sad you’re not being strong for the families. You have a job to do and it’s everyday life for you.
7:50 Alaska air 261. It’s actually so similar with the elevator issues, the flying inverted, and how they try to kick the rudder once the plane is out of the dive, you’d have to think it was modeled after that crash
It was. And flying it inverted - no matter how difficult or unlikely - was actually the only plausible way in the simulator to try to bring the aircraft under some control. The pilots actually did invert the real 261 but just ran out of room.
Yeah that’s the by product of going wings level but it’s just not sustainable. I have a motion rig for my sim racing content but also have a weird fascination with crash investigations. I still don’t see how they did it - needless to say I never once got remotely close to wings level let alone out of the dive. You’d basically have to be already rudder hard over or some type of runaway stab . Then have the utter balls to flip her. Then pray to whoever your god is the structure holds up. Ted Thompson was about as experienced as they come so it isn’t shocking he nearly got it worked out but unfortunately with the Jack screw failure, he wouldn’t have been able to land regardless. Still great airmanship
Finally a realistic assessment regarding Hollywood produced aircraft disaster movies! I learned a lot today, and I loved this man's blunt honesty and acerbic choice of words!
Stephen Moss: So this sequence of people getting sucked out of the plane while it disintegrates would actually be much worse and much faster in real life.
You bet. See the Chinese woman who got eaten by an escalator. Only took a few seconds. No gore.
@@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Talking about the case where she was carrying her child and threw her/him safety right before she was sucked down?
@@Kuutti_original probably
@@emily.g.929 yeah, sounds exactly like that one. Sad one too
10:14 “they actually fire birds at it with a specified weight and speed”
Lol all I picture is a dude in a lab coat, throwing everything at the turbine from pheasants to flamingos. 😆
Usually it's commercially available chicken or turkey carcass XD
Yes, I watched a whole other video about that, and as the other commenter said they usually use turkeys. They test the windscreens that way, too. They had a bunch of failures on one test; they were putting holes straight through - and they realized that the frozen birds ought to be thawed out prior to testing.
It’s Q from James Bond movies 😜
There's something really funny about the idea of being a company that sells frozen poultry and having airline engineers being one of your big clients.
@@jdraven0890 yep I had a colleague years ago who had worked in that industry and one time the bird wasn't fully thawed and went straight through the windshield they were testing.
Public service announcement for anyone with a fear of flying stupid enough to click this video (like me): I used to fly cross-country pretty regularly and would be on edge pretty much the whole time, especially when we hit turbulence over the Rockies. It wasn't full-blown terror, and I knew my fear was irrational, but it still bothered me.
Then I found an online fear of flying course by a pilot named Captain Stacey, and he did such a great job breaking down all the specific reasons flying is so safe, and afterwards I felt much, much better.
And no, I'm not being paid by him or anything like that. It was just a really good course and I figure a lot of people watching this video would appreciate it.
Maybe my next flight won't be a haze of gin, tonic and oxycodone!
@@SarafinaSummers ahahaha I'm a rosé and xanax kinda guy
He is so informative. I learned alot. Great video.
at least we will all lose consciousness quickly and not know what’s up even after coming to
Challenger astronauts did not lose consciousness
@@SWalker71 Uhm, that's because Challenger exploded, not decompressed, that's a big difference.
You lose consciousness during decompression... you get it back once the air is back... so below 10K. It means you wake up just as you are about to hit the ground... and chances are the impact wouldn't kill you outright. Most passengers would survive the initial impact (unless they have brain trauma) and die from bleeding out or fire as they have broken legs or spines and can't get out.
AnonEyeMouse yeah but he said that when you wake you’re still a bit out of it and not quite sure what is happening. i’m cool w that
AnonEyeMouse you’ll drown on your own blood rather quickly so it’s a quick death no matter how you look at it.
This doesn't contain a scene from Airplane!
Surely you can’t be serious
@@howiegoesbang900 He is serious, and don't call him Shirley.
Plane didn't crash
10/10
*insert quote from airplane*
What a professional, very proper. Wow the knowledge and information this man has is amazing. Just the facts nothing more nothing less. A true investigator. Spot on with his reviews.
We always imagine pigeons flying in the airplane engine, but in Sully’s case it was a whole flock of Canada geese. So big birds and a lot of it
At first I was like "what the hell, this is such a sensitivity issue to just talk about ", but this person was so professional about this and talked only business, respect to this person and job he does
You don't want people "tip-toeing" around the subject when it's about investigating the reasons of a plane-crash.
You want people how stay focused on the topic at hand.
This man is of the highest level of professionalism.
Trying to figure out why death and accidents are sensitive issues :/
@@corataylor2205 Using it to get views is sensitive
@@Lecintel I think YOU'RE the sensitive one for being offended about a video topic. Everyone dies, and planes crash. Is what it is.
@@corataylor2205 Ok
Thought he was going to offer the interviewer a Werther's Original at some point!
I am a longtime aviation writer. My most vivid memory of my first major crash scene is of a firefighter walking by carrying a human arm with a watch still on the wrist.
Well that’s not an imagine you are likely to ever forget is it.
@@TheJmore Well, my other beat at that time was covering homicides, so I have a rich trove of things I'd prefer to unsee in my old age. But, as the cliche goes, nobody put a gun to my head.
My friend James’s granny lived in Lockerbie in 1988 and she had 3 passengers of the Pan-am flight still in their seats in her garden. Two were mangled but one was a young woman who was virtually intact and looked like she was asleep
@@gerardmackay8909 Now that's an image that will make a home in your psyche.
@@thomasbell7033 oh 100% James said she was haunted for the rest of her life. Somehow it was the ‘sleeping’ woman who was vivid in her memory more than the destroyed bodies.
Thanks for the video!
His knowledge is really making this entertaining. To the point breakdown is just icing on the cake.
Worst aircraft disaster that they missed was Jurassic park 3's ALAN!!
ALAN!!!! :
"Clearly, velociraptors can't talk and aren't allowed on the passenger deck of an aircraft. So I'm giving it a 4/10."
I used to love listening to this gentleman talk on Air Crash Investigation/Mayday along with John Cox.
Neither over dramatised things, and spoke a lot of sense.
Excellent job!!! Thanks!!! What he did, analize the movies airplanes scenes, is something I use to do, but I always recive a " come on, don't talk and just watch". I was an AMT and I am most like Mr Stephen. Again, Excellent!
Man I love how unimpressed he is in the beginning. It's awesome XD
Producer: "it's a Nicholas Cage movie."
Mr. Moss: "That doesn't always bode well does it."
HAHAHA!! Straight out the gate he went directly for the jugular! LOL This guy's legit!
Then he sips tea 😂😂
I love listening to experts talk about what they know like this. Some my favorite content!
I remember seeing him in an Air Crash Investigation episode. I love how he is like: "Ok Hollywood, cut the bullshit. I'll show how to do your plane crashes properly"
After watching tons of Air Crash Investigation and seeing Steve Moss, this is a very welcome sight.
A moment of silence to the people who watched this while having a flight in a few days.
Edit: Forgot that everybody is quarantine
Sub To This Cute Dog Eh.
Accident usually lead to a safer ride in the future, a lot of procedure today are actually a lesson learnt from previous event
Well actually flying is not prohibited. I could assume you live in the us maybe i dont know exactly about the situation but for germany, although there is a lockdown you can technically fly wherever you want. The things you have to deal with is: which action do i have to take before flying and after landing, booking the flight and find a proper way to come back ^^ i have an upcoming flight in fact and i had one several weeks ago
@@Marshmallox43 I have a flight today, leaving Japan
@@Marshmallox43 im military... I just wanna go home and see my fiancee and baby girl but travel is banned for 2 more months... was supposed to end may 11 but now i gotta wait until july.... shit sucks
7:24 The thing is, there was a plane crash where pilots tried to control an inverted plane. Alaska Airlines Flight 261, IIRC
Basically, a vertical stabilizer jammed in a pitch down position. And pilots decided to invert a plane so vertical stabilizer would actually make the plane pitch up and they would have a sliver of possibility of ditching a plane in sea. Naturally, a very dangerous move with little to no chance of success, but, you, know... Props to the pilots for fighting till the bitter end
Great video. Love the expert!
I love this kind of no bullshit person. When you can get them to laugh you know its genuine
"Its a Nicholas Cage movie"
"Well that doesn't bode well does it?"
Savage AF🤣🤣🤣🤣
My dad has been picking apart crashes and other aviation scenes since I was a kid, his expertise is fixed wing. After the time I spent on military helicopters, I find myself doing the same thing with rotor wing scenes. This guy is like the English version of my dad.
This was so interesting, always good value hearing from an expert
The Dark Knight Rises scene wasn't CGI, that's why it got praised :)
He knows, that's why he gave it a 6 and not a 5
It was pre prepared with extra wiring that was removed in post production......using cgi but yes the stunt was not cgi.....he gave it a decent score tho
As someone with a severe fear of flying I somehow managed to find this video comforting.
I love that he went out of his way to shade Bruce Willis
He was not aware of the fact, that the Uruguay Fairchild that crashed on the Andies in 1972 indeed made a soft landing, sliding down the mountain side for hundreds of meters, before coming to stop. It never broke to pieces. This is why the initial number of survivors was so high, 34 persons out of 45 passengers and crew. They sheltered inside the fuselage for the 72 days, in diminishing numbers, of course.
He also, apparently, wasn't aware that the Final Destination flight was based on TWA 800.
Which is odd to me.
@@sandpiperrbased on what extend? Same kind of aircraft, similar start of the fire? Exact copy of the fire? Its rather insignificant to mention the fact of scene being based on something, when the scene itself isnt realistic dont you think?
That wasnt his point, he pointed out that the plane sliding down on snow and jump long way wasnt realistic. Keep in mind that in the scene its also already broken apart, meaning that the structural integrity is already compromised and there is no way it survives jump like that without collapsing completely.
@@Kuutti_originalHe mentions that the electrical system causing explosions would be unrealistic. However in the real accident an electrical problem caused a massive explosion which destroyed the plane so that seems pretty relevant to me.
@@sandpiperr based on several. Mainly AA191.
👏🏻 Mr. Stephen Moss 👏🏻
Great video. I enjoyed watching it and learning from the perspective of an actual expert. He was candid 😁 but in a classy way. I've always been a fan of watching the series "air crash investigations".
Looking forward to more amazing content like this. 😘
The first scene from Final Destination was based on the TWA 800 crash, which was allegedly caused by an electrical failure which caused a spark to ignite fuel vapour. The plane broke up in the air and was may have been how the Final Destination depicted it (without all the sparks and whatnot). Reports say the plane climbed vertically for a short period as it lost control, before nose diving and breaking up. The force of decompression and extreme de-acceleration actually caused some passengers to be decapitated immediately. Must have been truly terrifying to anyone who was still conscious (likely at the back of the plane) until the plane eventually hit the Atlantic Ocean.
I was about to say, FD took some liberties it seems compared to what really happened (suck it missile theorists) on TWA 800.
Yes it was VERY weird to me that he was saying he'd never heard of anything like that! It's one of the most well known aviation accidents.
@@sandpiperrHe only did say, that if electrical failure occure, it would look different (no fireballs inside the cabin but smoke). He never heard of sparks and explosions inside the cabin caused by electrical failure. He said not, that he never heard from a crash caused by electrical failure.
Seem to recall that almost every body they recovered had severe whiplash injuries from the explosion. Those injuries were strong enough to have killed them instantly.
As he also said, the rapid decompression (explosion ripping it in half, not just a small bullet hole etc) at altitude knocks everyone out.
@@JorgLange There was also an explosion in the cockpit of a plane at Cairo airport, due to wiring inside the co-pilot's emergency oxygen getting statically charged & causing a spark in that oxygen rich environment. Fire got super hot & caused a hole in the hull. No-one died, cause the plane was still on the ground & air bridge still attached, so they evacuated quickly, but they have theorised as to what would happen if the same incident occurred while in flight - and it's what happened to MH370, with MH370 being the same make of plane, still waiting to have a service to have that known fault repaired. Fire would have been extinguished really quickly & no more explosions though, as soon as the fire burnt through the hull, the outside air immediately would have put it out (while also sending everyone unconscious from the depressurisation, starting with the cockpit crew who's oxygen supply was compromised)
This is quite serious and quite right for someone on site at Lockerbie, but I have to say that I love his completely expressionless face at the start as he watches Con Air - silence dripping with distaste 😂😂
The one in Alive seems almost impossible, but according to the survivors and investigators alike, the plane landed in such an angle and on a patch of snow so soft it allowed the fuselage to slide down the mountain for almost 2500 feet, before gradually losing speed and crashing (at a lower speed but very high nonetheless) into a snowbank, that was what caused most injuries and killed most of the 45 people onboard, as the sudden stop compressed the floor of the plane, smashing seats , passengers and most of the aircraft interior fixtures towards the front.
He proved once again how visually stunning and accurate World War Z was...
Zombies that can smell your fatal illness from 50 feet way and ignore you to go after a healthy person?
Dumbest movie EVER!
@@BradiKal61 i mean we havent had any zombies irl so let the creators make the zombies however they want, the zombies saw the sick people as zombies already thats why i thinn
@@smileyface4939 The problem is that the movie is called world war z. World war Z was already a novel with its own take on the zombies that the movie completely ignores. Calling it stupid is two fold because one it makes no sense with the “scientific” take the movie was trying to go for in its investigation. It’s also stupid for the fact that the actual grounded take on zombies was tossed out the window so Brad Pitt could play Brad Pitt in a zombie movie.
@@cryamistellimek9184 World War Z is an awful book though, complete with juvenile writing and character development, and neverending instances of shoddy illogical plot devices. The movie isn not good, but I can't blame them for taking many liberties with the production and story. "Grounded take on zombies" is kind of oxymoronic in itself, although I get what you mean. I do enjoy the overall setting Brooks created, but it's really nothing that hasn't been depicted in previous zombie films regarding their physiology and behavior. The human element is probably the weakest part of the entire book. It surpasses the inevitable irrationality of humans in a situation like that and does a bodyslam of contradicting stupidity, especially in how the humans eventually succeed in fighting back.
@@FuttBuckerson Regardless of your thoughts on the book, the movie didn’t “take a few liberties.” As you put it. The movie has nothing in common with the book and only used it to sell tickets by name. My meaning of a “grounded” take is how the situation progressed, even if you don’t agree with it. The movie of world war Z is a complete mess of a plot.
This is awesome, I love the insight he provides into reality! He's very generous with his ratings as well :P
Alaska Airlines 261 flew intentionally inverted in a bid to save the plane which had a failed jackscrew forcing the nose down. It inspired the movie "Flight". So he missed that one badly.
One thing I don't think he mentioned about flight was that even if a airliner was able to fly inverted without structural failure. You can not hold level inverted flight in almost any aircraft with the exception of purpose built stunt planes. This is due to the fact that aircraft work by speeding up the air moving over the top of the wings. The faster air or water moves the lower the pressure will be. So on a aircraft wing the faster and thus lower pressure air creates a kind of suction effect pulling the wing up towards the low pressure. If you invert a wing the ability for the wing to speed up the air is gone so you lose lift and start to fall out of the sky. Some stunt planes have symmetrical wings so no matter what way the aircraft flys the wing keep making lift. Also as far as the clip from the aviator goes the clean clutter less cockpit of the XF-11 is accurate there is also a photo of Hughes in the same clothes that you see in the movie sitting in the cockpit of the plane preparing to take of for the XF-11's first flight. The lack of seat belts and the wheel running rolling long the roof of a house I don't know but the clothes and cockpit lay out are accurate in the film.
That's a common misconception about aircraft wings. They do not work by creating a pressure differential. Instead, the back part of the wing deflects air towards the ground, which pushes the wing (and thus the aircraft) up. Basically Newton's third law. It is possible to fly upside down, by having elevators that can move at a larger angle. It's not particularly safe, but it isn't physically impossible.
Yet multiple people are insisting it did happen on one flight, bc they heard it on the flight recorder. I somehow trust this person that only reports from a flight recorder - which could have been a theoritical discussion