My Dad and I built RV-12 kit #18, I have owned an RV-4 and currently own an RV-8. Can't wait to build an RV-15 to add to the stable. The kit can't come out soon enough. Thanks for a great video!
It’s nice to see there is a company like Van’s giving builders parts that you usually only see from one-off creators like Mike Patey. Precision-machined, and as functional as they are pretty. I hope our grandkids see these aircraft still flying in 60-70 years.
There were several polls and many dozens of forum threads asking for a high wing bush plane over the last decade of two. Where there is a market, vans will deliver.
The Vans Rebel! Never thought I’d say it but maybe I’ll wait for the Sonex Highwing. Way better looking (on paper) and cantilevered wing, probably just as fast on less power. If you’re looking for STOL, maybe the S21 or Kitfox?
I lost interest when I heard it will have a Lyc 390, maybe they'll come out with a LSA version, that doesn't burn in the double digits per hr. Great for a load hauler of course, but for the rest of my flying, overkill.
I have no intention of flying back country, I'm 72, retired and never did it. But (the proverbial But LOL), I have lots of time to travel, low and slow. I also love the 172, it will do about anything you ask, and equip it to do. A few months ago I was shocked when I heard 2 guys talking at an FBO about the price of a new 172. All options, going to a flight school in Alaska, $700,000!!! Holy cow! So taking Greg's advice, I looked at an RV14, added quick build for wings, tail and fuselage, and it was $72,000. Granted, that's plus engine, FF kit, radio's and all other instruments. But, it's 1/10th the price of a new 172!! And there are options! I would also want the "tricycle" version they listed on their web. The $$ diff is huge compared to a 172!! JMHO, Peace --gary
Fingers crossed the production version is a 2+2 configuration, with a quick release back seat. Would be great to be able to take the kids up or a third adult in the backseat. After a ride in a 180 hp 170 Seaplane, this looks like it is going to be one heck of a Renaissance aircraft.
Pop rivet! Thank jebus. The amount of time/frustration you will save pop riveting this will probably lead to way more kits actually being completed. Sign me up.
I am wondering if they are going to offer a fast build kit for this. Also will the doors stay full plexiglass, Maybe have the top portion of the door be a window that can open upwards.
I love when people state a completely different airplane they prefer....apples and oranges bud. Vans sells 100 planes for every sling, no offense to sling as they are nice birds, but Vans won't be waiting for your order....
Vans is going full bush with this airplane. They're letting it run wild like a jungle. They're not trimming anything back with it because things can get pretty harry down there.
Personally think with shock dampened mains , shock dampened constant angle non shimmy tailwheel , pushrod and bell crank activated surfaces as opposed to cables and pulleys , huge flaps , mechanical aileron differential that prevents adverse yaw , full flying stab ( huge advantage in every realm of performance ) ability to use most powerful 4 bangers available ( angle valve 390 and variants ), large wing area versus weight ( extreme important detail none have put a number on ) large flat cargo area as a 2 seater I think Vans has approached the very edge of what can be done for an aluminum riveted exoskeleton back country plane without adding complex leading edge slats { can be aftermarket product ) ...And took cross country speed seriously compared to cubs and other competitors .. A singular item I dont see is a factory engineered ballistic chute .. the one item that makes Cirrus the best selling certified single on the planet ... This however is easily engineered aftermarket in high wing kits .. High wing planes lend themselves to ballistic chute installs far easier than low wing ..
They ticked every box for an aircraft of this type. The BRS can come later, but IMO most bush planes forgo them for that extra payload. If you bring more fuel odds are in your favor you wont run out of gas. And if your engine quits, it can land almost anywhere. Most off-airport pilots consider themselves a cut above the rest, and they are. Its not going to break up inflight. Why bring 50lbs of BRS?
The shocks are nothing new. I drew up some horizontal shocks mounted to the front fuselage/landing gear bulkhead, with conventional gear transmitting their angular motion into limier motion via a 45*bend in the upper part of the leg such as this several years ago. This sort of tech comes from race-cars over 50 years ago. (inboard shocks).
Really? I would think the hottest one would be black, not look like a friggin MIRROR! Beautiful plane. The above front seats windows are a great idea, or I probably should say a great inclusion. The replay on the AN question was funny.
A "throw away airplane"??? Noooo, I'll come drive down there and tow it away for you save all that hard work of cutting it up for VANS! I'm not far from them.
so it's not painted becasue their still testing it? i would take it like that. looks classic. I know that is not smart becasue of corrosion ,but still looks good. 😁
Well it's a kit... paint is up to you. And it doesn't come like that, the aluminum is polished. There is nothing wrong with leaving it bare, it's aluminum, doesn't corrosion isn't a big concern. The only issue with the polished finish is it needs to be regularly touched up.
Its amazing what DRACO or Mike Patey comes up with when he designs bush planes. funny thing is you have all the designers and Engineers and CEO watching his channel and they are learning from him then copy his design to their products and not even giving credit but they start patent pending.
They already have a number of low wing 2 seaters, a low wing 4 seater, and now a high wing 2+2....what exactly would you like to see?? Lol You know they don't build engines right?
This RV-15 and other prototype ideas they all seems to be coming from Draco and other DIY from youtube and the web, and if anyone has been been attentive you can see they are now putting patents pending on their parts, but they got the idea from someone else, wish people could be a little honest and give credit where it due rather then claiming its theirs.
Why on earth would you use struts and not at least have folding wings? Pop rivets Instead of solid rivets just like the light sport non aerobatic baby 12. It will likely be twice the cost upon completion as the competition in exchange for a higher load but longer stol numbers. I think Vans has its first loser unless they make some serious changes. I spent a couple hours at the booth as well, not impressed. They’ve reinvented the 180 with a few improvements. Congrats.
@@michaelspunich7273 Agree. From a practical side, towing a plane like this on the road brings a lot of risks. Not to mention the plane will be at least 25 foot long so the chance of sideswiping cars goes up exponentially when towing something this large. The folding wing mechanism while it works for a kitfox size, for a large plane like the 180 size RV15, it will be humongous. Yes, folding wing for towing totally impractical.
Paulie, I believe they have a good round one. I agree, folding wings would have made it even better! Pull or flush was on the order matrix. I'm fine w/pull....
I think folding wings limits the wing chord so it's not too wide when the wings are folded. What's the road width allowance, 8.5' in most states? Also a full cantilevered wing would have the big carry through taking up headroom in the roof of the cabin and so no windows either. And this aircraft should still be quite a bit cheaper than a CE180, don't yah think? I'm betting they sell.
Imagine if every company VP/COO was as knowledgeable and familiar with their products as this man. Great job Vans Aircraft, best of luck!
My Dad and I built RV-12 kit #18, I have owned an RV-4 and currently own an RV-8. Can't wait to build an RV-15 to add to the stable. The kit can't come out soon enough. Thanks for a great video!
Awesome piece Bryan. And thank you to Vans for what looks to be another incredible design
Best in-depth review of the 15 I've seen so far. This plane gets my adrenaline pumping! I hope it comes out sooner rather than later.
It’s nice to see there is a company like Van’s giving builders parts that you usually only see from one-off creators like Mike Patey. Precision-machined, and as functional as they are pretty. I hope our grandkids see these aircraft still flying in 60-70 years.
They call those handles the Trevor Jacob handles because if you pull on them it means you're jumping 😆
I approve of this nomenclature!
The proper use of such a feature is at the first sign of a miss or stumble you yank that thing and bail. The higher altitude, the better. Lol
@@Tommy-B. It is actually at the first sign of fewer views on your youtube channel…
@@LTVoyager lol too true.
DON"T throw it away - - - - PLEASE hang it up in a Museum for generations of potential new pilots to see and admire .....................
Great and very informative interview and overview of the airplane! Thank you!
Great interview; covering most of the questions we'd all want to ask.
Holy WOW! Extremely pleased to see Vans making a plane like this.
There were several polls and many dozens of forum threads asking for a high wing bush plane over the last decade of two. Where there is a market, vans will deliver.
Really enjoy interviews with Greg. 👍🏽
The background music was phenomenal!!!!!! Oh yeah, cool plane too.
That was "ambient" noise....not edited. :-) Joy's of being at a public show.
Great job on the channel BrYan! Well produced! Sweet plane!
The Vans Rebel! Never thought I’d say it but maybe I’ll wait for the Sonex Highwing. Way better looking (on paper) and cantilevered wing, probably just as fast on less power. If you’re looking for STOL, maybe the S21 or Kitfox?
I lost interest when I heard it will have a Lyc 390, maybe they'll come out with a LSA version, that doesn't burn in the double digits per hr. Great for a load hauler of course, but for the rest of my flying, overkill.
I have no intention of flying back country, I'm 72, retired and never did it. But (the proverbial But LOL), I have lots of time to travel, low and slow. I also love the 172, it will do about anything you ask, and equip it to do. A few months ago I was shocked when I heard 2 guys talking at an FBO about the price of a new 172. All options, going to a flight school in Alaska, $700,000!!! Holy cow! So taking Greg's advice, I looked at an RV14, added quick build for wings, tail and fuselage, and it was $72,000. Granted, that's plus engine, FF kit, radio's and all other instruments. But, it's 1/10th the price of a new 172!! And there are options! I would also want the "tricycle" version they listed on their web. The $$ diff is huge compared to a 172!! JMHO, Peace --gary
fully agreed, these prices would kill general aviation. kit plane and light sports are the future for sure
Sweet looking aircraft. I would love to see this 2+2.
Very nice airplane!
Great video.
Very cool!
Hey No Teasing . I Dreamed It And You Built it. It's Awesome.
Cool, cool, cool.
Fingers crossed the production version is a 2+2 configuration, with a quick release back seat. Would be great to be able to take the kids up or a third adult in the backseat.
After a ride in a 180 hp 170 Seaplane, this looks like it is going to be one heck of a Renaissance aircraft.
Pop rivet! Thank jebus. The amount of time/frustration you will save pop riveting this will probably lead to way more kits actually being completed. Sign me up.
Gonna be a no if it's just another two seater. Really want a 4 place experimental tail wheel that's not fabric
I want to build this! Some day I'll be able to afford it... Maybe about the time they start selling?
I hope this will have a 2+2 option. I am really liking what I see.
2+2!! 🥳
Nice. Wish he would answer the questions. Estimate how much it will cost?
I am wondering if they are going to offer a fast build kit for this. Also will the doors stay full plexiglass, Maybe have the top portion of the door be a window that can open upwards.
No info on the cabin width or height?? All the details indeed!
Really!The Sling my choice by far
I love when people state a completely different airplane they prefer....apples and oranges bud. Vans sells 100 planes for every sling, no offense to sling as they are nice birds, but Vans won't be waiting for your order....
Vans is going full bush with this airplane. They're letting it run wild like a jungle. They're not trimming anything back with it because things can get pretty harry down there.
To sum this up in Engineering just say this plane is a 'Prototype" and thats that...
Make it Aerobatic too. Love the plane.
What so you think the price of the kit will be. Just a rough estimate?
Does this plane take 9k thoughsand hours and cost 6 billion dollars to like all the other vans ?
If they make a 4 seater tri gear they will sell a million of these things
Unreal
Personally think with shock dampened mains , shock dampened constant angle non shimmy tailwheel , pushrod and bell crank activated surfaces as opposed to cables and pulleys , huge flaps , mechanical aileron differential that prevents adverse yaw , full flying stab ( huge advantage in every realm of performance ) ability to use most powerful 4 bangers available ( angle valve 390 and variants ), large wing area versus weight ( extreme important detail none have put a number on ) large flat cargo area as a 2 seater I think Vans has approached the very edge of what can be done for an aluminum riveted exoskeleton back country plane without adding complex leading edge slats { can be aftermarket product ) ...And took cross country speed seriously compared to cubs and other competitors .. A singular item I dont see is a factory engineered ballistic chute .. the one item that makes Cirrus the best selling certified single on the planet ... This however is easily engineered aftermarket in high wing kits .. High wing planes lend themselves to ballistic chute installs far easier than low wing ..
They ticked every box for an aircraft of this type.
The BRS can come later, but IMO most bush planes forgo them for that extra payload. If you bring more fuel odds are in your favor you wont run out of gas. And if your engine quits, it can land almost anywhere. Most off-airport pilots consider themselves a cut above the rest, and they are. Its not going to break up inflight. Why bring 50lbs of BRS?
I want!
The big question to ask the VP CEO guy is what took you so long to offer a high wing airplane
Quiet a beautiful bit of engineering.
I think I'd use cherry-max rivets!! I wouldn't trust those pop rivets! There more weight, but worth it!
Push rod controls?😊
Flew all the way there and did not enter the stol competition?
Will you be able to fly with the doors off?
Make no mistake, I want a third seat. Bonus if I can remove it easily like a mini van. ;)
did you patent a chassis system created in the 1930s?
Don't cut it up please ill come get it and sign a waiver........
The shocks are nothing new. I drew up some horizontal shocks mounted to the front fuselage/landing gear bulkhead, with conventional gear transmitting their angular motion into limier motion via a 45*bend in the upper part of the leg such as this several years ago.
This sort of tech comes from race-cars over 50 years ago. (inboard shocks).
Greg@Vans, Do NOT dare cut up that plane when you are done give me a call I'll take it.
It looks like a Cessna you can build.
Really? I would think the hottest one would be black, not look like a friggin MIRROR! Beautiful plane. The above front seats windows are a great idea, or I probably should say a great inclusion. The replay on the AN question was funny.
I’m would ask if they would include an option for a BRS parachute system. Kitfox and others have that.
I wouldn't have hired the Boeing engineer... Check the doors guys
I really hope this compares with the bearhawk 4.
Nope Bearhawk is tube frame and much more useful load. You can put a STOL wing on a bearhawk. All that shines is not gold.
NOOOO, don't cut it up for scrap - send it to a museum!
A "throw away airplane"??? Noooo, I'll come drive down there and tow it away for you save all that hard work of cutting it up for VANS! I'm not far from them.
so it's not painted becasue their still testing it? i would take it like that. looks classic. I know that is not smart becasue of corrosion ,but still looks good. 😁
Well it's a kit... paint is up to you. And it doesn't come like that, the aluminum is polished.
There is nothing wrong with leaving it bare, it's aluminum, doesn't corrosion isn't a big concern. The only issue with the polished finish is it needs to be regularly touched up.
Cut up for scrap?! Can’t you just dial it down somewhat instead of destroying it?
Its amazing what DRACO or Mike Patey comes up with when he designs bush planes. funny thing is you have all the designers and Engineers and CEO watching his channel and they are learning from him then copy his design to their products and not even giving credit but they start patent pending.
What part of Mike’s design did they copy?
He sounds like Red Green (from the Red Green Show). Just sayin'.
"Full Bush"🤪
This guy sounds like Red Green
Will it be gentleman's aerobatics capable?
Not exciting. Vans need slick, fast, super efficient aircraft. I agree this is just a museum piece.
They already have a number of low wing 2 seaters, a low wing 4 seater, and now a high wing 2+2....what exactly would you like to see?? Lol You know they don't build engines right?
This RV-15 and other prototype ideas they all seems to be coming from Draco and other DIY from youtube and the web, and if anyone has been been attentive you can see they are now putting patents pending on their parts, but they got the idea from someone else, wish people could be a little honest and give credit where it due rather then claiming its theirs.
can you elaborate on what idea or part from this plane patterned from the Draco or any other plane? thanks.
Yeah so what on this one is anything like Draco?
And whoever gets the patent first is, well, let's just say that's how the proverbial cookie crimbles.
Somebody's not too clued up on how patents work then? Even Draco's suspension was supposed to be a development of an earlier idea.
400 ft take of is hardly STOL. No safety cage Hummm.
Sell me this plane
Why on earth would you use struts and not at least have folding wings? Pop rivets Instead of solid rivets just like the light sport non aerobatic baby 12. It will likely be twice the cost upon completion as the competition in exchange for a higher load but longer stol numbers. I think Vans has its first loser unless they make some serious changes. I spent a couple hours at the booth as well, not impressed. They’ve reinvented the 180 with a few improvements. Congrats.
why folding wing again, especially for a 34foot wingspan?
Anyone that can afford to purchase this plane, can afford to hangar it w/o folding the wings.
@@michaelspunich7273 Agree. From a practical side, towing a plane like this on the road brings a lot of risks. Not to mention the plane will be at least 25 foot long so the chance of sideswiping cars goes up exponentially when towing something this large. The folding wing mechanism while it works for a kitfox size, for a large plane like the 180 size RV15, it will be humongous. Yes, folding wing for towing totally impractical.
Paulie, I believe they have a good round one. I agree, folding wings would have made it even better! Pull or flush was on the order matrix. I'm fine w/pull....
I think folding wings limits the wing chord so it's not too wide when the wings are folded. What's the road width allowance, 8.5' in most states? Also a full cantilevered wing would have the big carry through taking up headroom in the roof of the cabin and so no windows either. And this aircraft should still be quite a bit cheaper than a CE180, don't yah think? I'm betting they sell.
Doesn't look cheap
God that music is awful
There isn't any music....its people voices in the background.
Sling. Lycoming is 1940's