LIGHTEST FREESTANDING BACKPACKING TENT (2P) // Nemo Dragonfly Review
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Here is a cool tip that i discovered with my Dagger 2P (not OSMO) which is a fairly similar design. It lets you set up the tent and rainfly with ZERO stakes.
I used to hate that the rainfly takes two stakes in order to be tought because in rocky terrain it can be impossible to get a secure stakeout.
Here's the tip: If you hike with trekking poles, you can stretch a trekking pole between the rainfly stakeouts (where the door is) and put a heavy rock on top of the trekking pole. This keeps the rainfly fairly tight and you dont have to mess with any stakes. This probably isn't an ideal setup for very windy areas but it works for a quick pitch.
Very good review, I'm looking at this and similar specified tents for a trip to Scotland next year. Thanks especially for including metric measurements - this increases your audience (and hopefully your income) by a magnitude or more compared to some reviewers on YT! Looking forward to more reviews.
With our puppy, we chose the Dagger 3p - a little more robust material for paw nails! But Dragonfly was definitely in the running. You know how to pick’em Justin 😊
Justin, thanks for the video. At 5:13 you have the trail weight listed as 10 oz / 1.2 kg. I think that should be 2 lbs 10 oz / 1.2 kg. I really enjoy your channel!
Hi, I'm trying to decide on the Nemo Dagger 3p, Telos tr 3p and MSR Hubba Bubba. I just got into kayak fishing and looking to do overnight stays. The other is see is a AmoK hammock but all depends on having trees. I live in Ontario.
What are your thoughts and raking on the above.
Thanks
Tim
Looking for a new tent upgrade, but after this review I don't think it will be this one.
Thanks again for the review.
Ive been eyeing that tent. Seems like a good tent if you’re wanting a lightweight freestanding tent.
The REI Co-op Flash 2 Tent has been discontinued btw.
Man Ive been watching you for years now. You deserve more subscribers. You made me hike and camp at Lake minnewanka lol
You mention that both the tents compared with the Dragonfly on Pack Wizard weigh "quite a bit more" but, in fact, the Copper Spur HV is only 16g heavier at trail weight and only 8g heavier at packed weight. Heavier yes, but by quite a miniscule amount! Plus the Copper Spur can be pitched fly first (with the footprint) so it's quite a bit more rain-friendly while pitching. The Flash is, indeed, a little heavier still, by 78g (trail weight) and 68g (packed weight), but it's not going to be a deal-breaking difference for most lightweight hikers in the market for a free-standing tent. Plus, the Flash is considerably cheaper then the other two. In other words, I doubt anyone would decide between the three based on their weight difference alone, it would be more about feature preferences, or price.
Happy someone else mentioned this. I have the copper spur hv 2. I got and always carry with me the extra footprint that adds 140 g extra, but gives you more possibilities with rainfly pitch first when out in bad weather. And 3 times I didn’t bring the inner for fast packing in winter time.
Benefit when you have muddy grounds and the footprint is easy to rinse of when home again. Copper spur has so many more features and easy to pitch. I almost bought the dragonfly last year. But thankfully I got the spur hv 2 instead. Love it and would recommend.
Yup! Lost me at "no fly first set up" LOVE my BA Copper Spur
Hi Justin, would you say that a 25 inch wide mummy thermarest neoair nxt and a 20 inch nemo quasar would fit in this tent?
I have had this tent for three years, no regrets. Have looked at a trecking pole tent for lighter weight but having the breathability and ability to set up without outer shell when weather is dry is a bonus. I can actually set it up outer skin first but it is not easy to do. Yes two 25 wide will not fit at the foot but just overlap or use a 20 and a 25. I really use it as a one person tent with extra room.
Do you need the footprint to set it up fly first?
I've had trekking pole tent for the last two years and looking to switch to free standing pole tent 😂 trekking tent weight is good but a lot of comfort and practicality is missing. Most designs for example the pole is covering the door access, and most are single layer saving weight but condensation is terrible.
The way I'm feeling I'd carry the extra 1kg for the comfort of a solid/comfy tent.
Thanks Justin, what do you think of the dragonfly 2p vs the hornet 3p. For size and weight and if hiking with a partner
I know it has the extra water repellency technology but it’s still only a very paltry 1500mm waterproofing on the fly. Do you think this is sufficient in wet conditions/rainy seasons when typically the tents usually have a 3000-4000mm waterproofing (like Xmid)? Does the advertised ‘3 x repellency’ actually equate to having an extra 3000mm waterproofing? Because the tent looks amazing but this water head column seems way too low for the category and price? Thanks so much Justin!
My head is spinning with tent options and after reading tons of reviews I think i'm going with the BA tiger wall 2p for my first UL tent. Hope i'm making the right choice!
Sorry for chiming in. But I really don't like those semi freestanding tents like the BA Tiger Wall or the Nemo Hornet. The single ridgeline pole design those usally have on on side is allways the weak spot when it gets windy. I would at least pick a tent with those Y-shaped wishbone stile poles on both ends. BA Copper Spur, Nemo Dagger/Dragonfly etc.
Would you say this tent works for a 20" wide pad and 25" pad - no taper? I always thought touching the sides was a no-no but I see it more and more these days. 45" in total makes finding freestanding ultralight tents a pain in the butt. Thanks!
I’d never want to be sleeping against the tent.
I am a beginner backpacker and bought this for my first tent at REI without knowing anything about it. I finalized my kit just recently and have only taken it out for a test run (just an overnight at a local lake with a small hike to get there). There was 30+mph winds, ~20F, and snowing, quite the night for a first time. This tent took me about 2 minutes to setup without having any knowledge on how to do it and kept the wind out incredibly and stood strong, I was thoroughly surprised given its lightweight and vented setup. Slept like a baby with a 20F bag and knitted wool blanket. I am only watching reviews now because I want to know how to pack it up properly, it packs up so small and light without having to separate the rods! Wont be getting any other tents..
Just FYI - The floor measurements are incredibly generous. I would take ~5 in off length and width unless you want your pads riding up the sides. Still an awesome tent though!
I just returned the 2p dagger and got the dragonfly 3p for me and my gf. We like it so much better. The dagger two wasn’t very good. No overhead pockets etc. The dragonfly 3p has way better pockets all over and it’s roomier and lighter than the dagger 2p!!!
Darn! I saw the Snow in some of your shots, however... these both seem to be 3-Season tents. I need a 4-Season. Am I mistaken?
Is the cutout in the rainfly a problem in terms of weather resistance? Great for avoiding condensation i presume, but what about rain getting in there when it’s windy?
In windy conditions, you will have more air inside your tent mostly because of the rainfly not completely covering down to the ground. Overall this tent is not designed to give you maximum comfort in very windy conditions.
HUGE concern to me - possibly a deal breaker. I would get myself a Dagger, but they don’t offer it in a 1P. 🤦♂️
They are great tents. Love my Dragonfly Bikepack for the same reasons you touchedcon. But symmetrical tents are easier to pitch, get the fly on, and provide more floor space. My only complaint with the Dragonfly is the high canopy head side and high arched fly, finding it less breatheable than more conventisl fly and canopy designs.
5:14 the Naturehike Cloud Wings two person tent is 2.76 lbs which is only 1.9 ounces more than the Nemo Dragonfly. This is a discounted company (the rent is only $189) so who knows what the quality control or the material quality is for this tent.
The Tarptent Double Rainbow, is evidently a freestanding 2-person tent with comparable usable space that weighs 1.16 kg. Perhaps you meant “mainstream” light-weight tent.
Yeah there are also multiple DCF tents that are freestanding that are made over seas and are a LOT lighter than this tent. I am always disappointed when I see reviews not even considering over seas tents and gear. The US isn't the only place making good gear now a days.
Kind of concerning the cut out section of the fly…….driving rain will get in surely as there’s not that much space before the mesh?
I’ve always wondered the same thing with these tents.
I’ve seen many reviews where people have had this problem, but somehow many people don’t. If the fly went all the way down I’d have bought this tent.
I've used multiple tents with a front cutout and it has never been a problem, including with the dragonfly. No issues with increased condensation or weather getting inside the tent.
I’m more concerned about moisture bleeding through the non OSMO fabric!
In the driving sideways rain needed to do that the tent would be flattened anyway, it’s not a storm capable tent, not one I would be setting up on mountains in bad weather anyway.
5:26 wait a second! The Tarptent Double Rainbow is way less weight then, since the 1.165 kg weight advertised weight includes stakes and guidelines.
is it better than the Copper Spur?
I love the NEMO Dragonfly 2P tent but it's not wide enough for 2 rectangular NEMO Tensor Wide pads. My husband and I had to buy another NEMO but we settled on the OSMO Dagger 3P since both of us are tall and are side sleepers. They're both great tents but for 2 people who want extra room for gear, we found the 3P tent just the right size, especially with the landing zone giving even more space for wet gear and packs. Justin, have you considered going to a 3P tent like the Dagger for 2 wide rectangular pads? The tent is very lightweight for the features it has! One more thing that I forgot to mention: the doors have 2 zippers so you don't have that annoying rounded bend which can hang up and eventually break with a tough guy trying to open it quickly, LOL! 🤣
Agree. Any 2P tent where the pads take up 100% of the floor space (or don't even fit) is a deal breaker. I'm not the trusting type, so leaving so much expensive gear sitting outside the tent at night....Hell no. To me, this is a 1P tent...
@@Swearengen1980 I use my NEMO Bikepack Dragonfly 2P for myself. My husband used his 30+ year old Gregory Solitaire 1P tent and was too cold. So he sold it and I bought the NEMO OSMO Dagger 3P for both of us. We still want to get another 1P tent for him when we get into areas where there isn't enough room for the 3P but for now, this works for us.
The dragonfly 3p is lighter than the 2 person dagger and has way better pockets and features vs the dagger 2/3p.
@@SneakyCaleb I have both tents but prefer the Dagger with the 2 zipper door as my husband is brutal on zippers! He doesn't do well with one sweeping curve to open the door as I fear that type of opening won't last long with him trying to open it fast one handed. There's only 4 oz. different between the 2 tents and I haven't found the Dragonfly 3P in a stealth Bike Pack version so we went with the Dagger.
@@debbilermond1553 the dragonfly 3p has two zipper door and much more room while being lighter weight and packs down smaller!
5:14 here you’ve got the weight spec on the upper right, major typo at “10.4 oz / 1.2 kg” since 1.2 kg is actually 42.3 ounces.
Reminds me of the Quarter Dome SL2
Exactly same weight as Copper Spur 2p, according to REI (Packaged weight of Dragonfly or copper Spur: 3 lbs 2oz)
What about kuiu
Can you please compare hornet and HUBBA HUBBA 2p tents
I noticed that MSR is slashing their tent prices. Something’s going on.
Unfortunately everyone I know has full rectangle pads
Get the dragonfly 3p
The downside of this tent is a groundsheet doesn't cover vestibule area which in case of wet ground increases amount of wet inside the tent. Other brands specifically make to cover vestibule ground but Nemo decided to save a few grams here I guess.
I’ve never seen a tent that does this in my 40 years of backpacking.
The Big Agnes literally weighs 0.3 ounces more than the DragonFly.... personally, I don't think that 0.3 Oz justifies the statement, "Both weigh quite a bit more." Justin must have made that comment without previously looking at the weights for reference. 0.3 Oz is practically nothing when comparing tent to tent. Especially with the additional features of the Copper Spur
The copper spur has less features.
Rei pad is only 24 inch wide.
The Tarptent Double Rainbow is lighter weight 1.165 kg (including stakes and cord), has larger interior dimensions (rectangular floor is 88 in x 50 in and the ceiling height is 40 in) and (at $389 regular price) is 30% less expensive.
But it’s not freestanding.
This is the Osmo Dragonfly, not the old verson Dragonfly. The old verson is lighter. The Zpacks Free Duo is also freestanding which is way more lighter than this one.
The Exped Mira 2 hl is lighter, and it has a fly that is full to the floor
They should have made this tent a full rectangle now if I want my daughter to go with me I have eto get the 3p
Or get the Dagger. It's very similar but in a rectangular footprint instead of tapered. The Dagger 2P is a hair lighter than the Dragonfly 3P.
@@andrewb9595that’s incorrect. I own both the dagger 2p and the dragonfly 3p. I’ll be selling the dagger 2p as it’s smaller and heavier. Look into it.
I just see every single video about these x mid style tents saying if you just bump the wall you’re gonna get wet. Do these hardcore people just accept that ?? It’s making it so hard for me to choose my new tent. I wanna go trekking pole but I just don’t see how constantly worrying about being soaked is worth the hassle
I assume you're talking about Durston. The x Mid 2P is a double walled trekking pole tent. The x Mid 2P PRO is a single walled ultralight, more susceptible to moisture. The x mid comes in a mesh or solid inner wall and nylon fly. It's heavier than the dyneema material but will help with the condensation.
@@mayatuck Look up videos about the double wall on here and watch the absolutely insane amount of water that comes in from a decent rain. I do not get why people act like that’s not a massive thing. I found multiple videos this weekend going condensation tests and it was terrible across the board if rain is involved. And still not great just normal condensation. I’m totally out on them now.
@@mayatuck And I’m talking both double wall versions.
Where is it made. I'm looking for a tent that's not made in china.
Most tents from big brands are made in Vietnam.
How is a 3 lb 2 person tent the lightest freestanding tent? Someone could make a 1 person tent with the same materials and lop off 20 or 25 percent of the weight
For 2 person tents.
To me that is a 1P tent. Companies are intentionally misleading by calling that a 2P tent when it's only 2P for the absolutely BEST (smallest) case scenario.
@@Swearengen1980 I like 1 person tents, but you can't get your backpack in it comfortably, if that matters. I leave it outside the tent.
@@joeweaver9913 My point was that I consider what these companies call a 2P tent to be a 1P tent only for that reason. I don't care what they call it, it's not suitable for 2 unless they're both children. I also don't trust people enough to leave expensive gear outside the tent while I'm asleep.
@@Swearengen1980 that's reasonable!
My point was just that it's not plausible to be the lightest freestanding tent if it's a so-called "2-person" tent. The "1-person" version of the same tent would always be lighter, whether that's a tent that is suitable for everyone or not. A lot of people need or prefer a 2-person tent and that's fine. I found this video by looking for the lightest freestanding tent and this cannot possibly be it, despite the title of the video. That's my complaint, that this is a clickbait title on the video that wasted my time
I'm sure you're very well aware this isn't even close to the lightest freestanding tent. There's the Zpacks Duplex with Freestanding Flex Kit (without trekking poles) or the Tarptent Double Rainbow (with trekking poles). $500 also seems way overpriced to me. You can get the Double Rainbow for less than half that.
Have you tried the flex kit? It's hot garbage. Saying a tent is freestanding with additional gear needed kind of defeats the purpose. The double rainbow looks like a great tent though and I'd love to try it out. I'd have to decide on which version though.
@@GearPriority I have not personally tried it, but that doesn't change the facts I stated.
You could also say that buying a separate tent when just adding additional gear is exactly the opposite of defeating the purpose.
@@GearPriorityI have a Double Rainbow Ultra on the way: double walled, doesn’t stretch when wet, extremely wind resistant and it’s a half pound lighter than the Dragonfly 2P. With carbon poles it’s a tie in terms of weight but the Double Rainbow has a fully rectangular 50 inch floor and can be pitched with the fly and inner attached. It also only needs 6 stakes without trekking poles, 1 stake per door. Cheaper than the Li (dyneema) but stronger and lighter than the poly.
You had me until showing it has to be set up inner first. Stupid idea! 🤷♂️
Not the lightest. Zpacks and Tarptent make much lighter 2p tents. Zpacks has a 2p freestanding that’s much lighter.
The zpacks freestanding is pretty bad though. I do not trust it.
So it is not a completely free standing tent...
Uhh yea it is
@@MrTimmyGT the porches are part of the tent, like Justin explaines, you need 2 stakes to stake them out.
You don't NEED to stake out the vestibules. This tent meets the definition of a freestanding tent that is very broadly used by the entire outdoor industry.
As you said... Can't putch fly first or borh at the same time... That to me is a BIG NO NO here in Scandinavia!!!! I would NEVER use a tent like that...
Well then it hilleberg, fjallraven or nothing for you. Better be willing to pay big. But those tents with that feature are absolutely awesome. To be honest only about 15 tents in the world can survive a night of consistent 40-50 mph winds. Even fewer can actually be SETUP in those same winds. In a few places...and very few places that is a safety feature that is needed.
Where I live in Winnipeg....literally know as the windiest city in north America besides Chicago, we get one 50 mph gust a year and it's only for 10 minutes while a tornado lands somewhere. So hilleberg and similar are absolutely overkill. Tents like this make sense based on weight alone for us 99.9% of users. That said, these are very expensive too so I would rather buy a used hilleberg than this tent for 500 usd