@nativeinstruments it isn't too late to bring back Maschine compatibility to your flagship controller. Why wouldn't you want your two most important hardware controllers to be 100% compatible?
Kontrol S MK2 is still actively supported, so nothing has been removed for existing customers. Such integration was de-prioritized for Kontrol S MK3 simply because 1) very few people were using it and 2) the presence of the buttons was causing significant confusion for a majority of users who are non-Maschine users. Kontrol S Mk3 has a bigger screen, an on-device rendering engine, and is far more capable and open. We may bring back such integrations in future (albeit without dedicated buttons) but there aren't plans to do so at this time, hence the commitment to continue to support MK2
@nativeinstruments thank you for replying, but forgetting about the S series mk 2, it seems like you've made a new product that your existing maschine customers can't use. Is there a way to get more information on what happens when Maschine mk3 and Kontrol mk3 are being used in the Maschine 2 software? Do the keyboard and chord modes from Maschine transpose to the Kontrol mk3 keyboard? Or does it just become like any other midi controller when Komplete Kontrol isn't being used in Maschine (because it doesn't have to be, when working with Maschine workflow)?
I must say that I saw this coming. Remember DAW scripts were removed after the maschine mk2 launch and maschine doesn't integrate with komplete kontrol within third-party DAWs.
@@MrVuvui have Maschines mk3 and not having integration with KK was huge disappointment. I love my mk3 but I really want to use KK library with ableton and have control over the KK library but that was not possible I tried having 8 maschine tracks on ableton and the device will only respond to 1 track only. I grew out of maschine software very quickly and I'm ln ableton 11 suite which is way more capable. However Komplete keyboard did work on both KK and Maschines which was a surprise I have the small M32 which works fine for both. I'm really scratching my head here. After extensive testing I also found that the plug in controls on the maschine mk3 and M32 to be randomly limited and doesn't give you full control over their plug ins. There is always something missing and sometimes arranged randomly over 16 pages which make me believe why it got new look now as groups like Filter/FX/etc. The touch screen could solve all the problems since some KK instruments have built in sequencer and advanced other features which can only be control by a mouse. Without touch screen and extra assignable buttons its impossible to solve this problem for Kontrol mk3. I love NI but I'm very disappointed.
General question: for those of us who are Maschine users this new model is a step backwards from the MK2 models. If we get the previous model are going to end up with a brick eventually? Or will support continue?
I am no pro by any means but from the reviews I’ve seen so far the MK3 has removed certain transport buttons that mirrored what is on the Maschine hardware, and the patterns/scenes workflow on the screen is currently not implemented. This could change of course. NI has their reasons for these changes moving forwards and it is completely their right to do so. I’m just not keen to buy the MK2 if it will not be supported beyond a certain point in the near future.
With MK2 you can effectively create patterns, jump through scenes and load in sounds without touching the computer. I have the M32 and S88. I can make loops without touching the Maschine hardware or computer. It's a major loss in my eyes. The lack of Maschine integration is one of my main reasons for not buying the MK3.
No faders? Aargh! I like the new screen and controls, but no faders in your flagship midi controller? There's certainly plenty of room for them. I don't think polyphonic aftertouch is worth giving up faders. (Pots are a terribly awkward tool for mixing) This missing feature has me looking at other controllers instead and hoping Arturia doesn't make the same mistake that I think you've unfortunately made with this otherwise excellent mk3 controller.
Agreed, I’m extremely aggravated with these companies that keep putting out half baked products. Instead of listening to actual users they’ll listen to reviewers. News flash NI, the reviewer isn’t the one’s actually buying your product!
They’ve added more LEDs instead 😂. Defeats the “hands on” promise of midi controllers in my opinion. There are less buttons and more flashing lights, I’m all for change but this is also a mistake in my humble opinion
@@Yahoomediaclub Explain ‘Live situation, NOT Studio’ I’ve NEVER heard of that. So does that mean my mk2 is a studio ONLY keyboard? Do I need a mk3 to play live? Can I leave my desktop at home now that it has 4 pedal input and less buttons?
We listen to all of our users! But with as many users as we have, there are such a wide variety of needs, and we may not always cater to every single need within a single product.
y'all need to maintain the machine integration maybe make a M-series or something more like the mk2. maybe just use the same shell but add the aftertouch that would be cool
they indeed need a M-Series with not only Maschine control, but also Pads and some faders (or touchstrips), similar to Maschine and Maschine JAM... to have everything in one controller.
I think they’re focused on showcasing the NKS2 compatible libraries and not sure when this was filmed. NKS2 so far we have: Hypha, Analog Dreams, Ashlight, Hybrid Keys, Ethereal Earth, Noire, three Session Guitarists, and the Cremona Quartet we’re just added this morning when I check my Native Access. I expect there to be more and more added to the list each day. Plus others outside of the Komplete Bundles like: Heavyocity’s Damage 2 and Symphonic Destruction u-he Diva
Kontrol S MK3 still supports NKS1 and non NKS plug-ins. But there are also new NKS2 instruments coming every week. CS-80 from Arturia is out, with several more coming soon. Orchestral Tools Time Micro and Time Macro are out.
NI missed a really simple trick for faders, and it would have been a killer feature. Instead of physical sliders, you use several of the touch bars with the LED that you have next to the pitch wheel. Position them vertically, as each sound is loaded, the LEDs for each “fader” lights to show its current setting. You now have software faders. You could even have the LED for each fader chance colour to match the setting shown on the screen. That would echo the design of the lights for the keys.
To forgo both pads and faders was an intentional design decision. Your suggestion is certainly a valid one, but we chose not to increase the component cost, and MSRP any further, which niche features like pads and faders would have done. There are a lot of good products that include such features. Kontrol S MK3, as with previous generations, is focused on instrument integration and expressivity.
@@NativeInstruments And you really think that faders wouldn’t have delivered exactly that AND given you a key differentiator in a very competitive market space?
Do you finally have resizable Windows for your GUI? I spent 4 figures for your previous products and rarely use them cause I CANT SEE THEM on a large 4k Monitor. No more money out of my pocket.
I love all the new useful features (screen, poly aftertouch, redesigned user interface, moving the touch strip). The light guide feels very similar with Mk2 to me - if it ain’t broke. I don’t care for touchscreen or standalone mode so I’m happy with their absence. However we’ve lost the maschine specific buttons and a group of LEDs was added around the browse encoder. What purpose do these extra lights serve other than increasing costs? I thought the point of hardware controllers was for a more hands on experience. Just as a side note, Apple replaced useful ports with two thunderbolt port years ago only to bring those legacy ports back later
Thank you for the feedback! We're definitely excited about the new features. We're also excited about the further improvements we plan to build, including but not limited to one popular request: Play Assist on-device (meaning, it runs on the keyboard as a MIDI generative instrument, and is not reliant on Komplete Kontrol). The LEDs around the encoder will be multi-purpose, for some deeper DAW integrations, future Play Assist improvements, and so on. Of course, you can only ever evaluate the keyboard as-is. But do stay tuned to see some of what we'll do next!
@@NativeInstrumentsis play assist coming to 3rd party developers like EastWest? I know a lot of your orchestral based users would LOVE light guides etc for EW Opus stuff!
I will purchase when it has Play Assist on device. Will that be a different future model of the keyboard or will it be a firmware update/upgrade to this controller?
I really wanted to get one. It's so sleek! But Where are the faders? I want out of the box full support for my Ableton DAW. I don't have use for any of the software features you guys have added.
They used to have DAW specific scripts for Maschine back in the day. Don't know why that was discontinued. One of my biggest gripe is that maschine doesn't integrate with komplete kontrol within third-party DAW. That hardware to control Ableton hmmm
I realise I'm conflating maschine and komplete here. But maschine doesn't interface with the komplete kontrol vst in third party DAWs. Love the maschine hardware and all your libraries but never really got into the work flow. Nothing wrong with it just not for me. I already know the standard NI reply "oh maschine is supposed to be blah blah". Maschine used to have scripts for third party DAWs. The removal of Maschine buttons on Komplete S Mk3 feels like deja vu. Why not redesign those buttons so they're more intuitive?
@@NativeInstruments Something lik this, detect the device current active in the Ableton, and automatically map its first eight parameters, and will reconfigure itself upon a new device being selected to ensure that users are able to focus on their performance rather than switching between settings. Doable? Out of the box?
Also, every video I have seen of this new Komplete Kontrole MK3, the screen and lights on it are extremely dim. Is that for the camera purposes or will we be able to change the brightness and make them brighter in person?
@@DDC-12 damn, that will be a big jump haha. I take it you are a decent player then? I got the S61 myself and let the 88's go to other creators who can do that weighted keys justice 😅
Yes - you can adjust the brightness of the display, and also the brightness and colour of the LEDs, from fully off to maximum. At max values, it is extremely bright, and was turned down to help the video environment.
With the encoder knob, is there no way to set it to scrub through the session? If the small knobs can already control volume, seems like a missed opportunity to give the encoder knob more functionality..
I have an S-88 on order, because my MIDIBoard ceased to function. Quick questions- Can you do splits/layers with the controller? Can you turn off guide lights? I actually like the austere design, I have other controllers for faders, pads, etc.
I was going to order the S88 MK3 today and switch from the S49MK2, but reading here it's a good thing I didn't. I use Maschine 2 software to create and I have no need to change it. It suits me and works great with this software on the Komplete Kontrol MK2. S88 MK3, according to what I read here, the software cannot and does not support it. This makes this hardware probably useless for me. Too bad, we'll each keep our own😒
Yeah they made a big big big incompréhensible mistake!!!! I am absolutely in the same situation that you!, maschine2 software is my main daw now since we have clip, I am not use anymore LogicproX. Maschine2 with great updates in my opinion is the present and futur of Daw! Thanks to the great integration with the hardware!, faster way to produice with the pattern/clip; scene mode and the 2modes “arranger” and “idea” great features and it’s so quickly to produce or have a idea with all the expansions with patterns/Fx chains including or the drums playseries with some pattern as well Music became easy and it’s give more useful idea I love so much Maschine2 software hopefully sooner will gonna have a Maschine3
MK3 only. It requires the onboard processing functionality of MK3. support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/13530175798045-Kontrol-S-MK3-What-is-Direct-Connection-
@@NativeInstruments the one thing I would like and the reason I use the machine over complete control is simply the ability to host more than one instrument in the interface at a time if you could chain these instruments together to create an ensemble and complete control that would be lovely and is sorely missing
Does it have a custom chord and scale feature? The other stuff is cool and all. But advanced users would like more custom features that will be a great help in a smooth workflow when creating music.
Exactly no response to my question. You really should listen more to your loyal customers who have been asking for much needed features over the years. More advanced features to be specific. Partly explains why I sold my Komplete Kontrol S49 years ago… smh
at approx 10:01 mins.. which DAW is being used.. the confusing part for me is .. if i buy the ultimate collection and this keyboard.. do i still need to buy a DAW like cubase or something?
So 750 Euros for a keyboard with a big screen and few boutons and 8 button that turn. what is the interest of the screen if i have my computer ? And if it can't do it standalone?
Perhaps it is not for you, but for many, it allows for much quicker hands-on performance adjustment of your instruments. In particular, the next-gen NKS navigation introduces the idea of organized groups and sections per plug-in, assigned to the soft buttons atop the screen, so you can quickly move around, play and perform your virtual instrument as if it were "real"
We are as passionate and creative as all of you, and work diligently to talk to a far wider audience - many of whom continue to love the expressive and integrated instrument experience we've built in years past, and in this case, improved. We build for many types of users, not always all at once. If there were products a "company wanted, not users" I'm not sure who would buy these...
I"m think people want a keybord multifuction. Because if i want pad i have to buy , mashine so i had to spend 1300 euros + 599 so like 1700 euros but if i go to arturia i only spend 949 euros for a keybord with pad, aftertouch. But they didn't had screen. But the screnn don't do everything. The only think is good and practical are the buttons. But i had the same think on the a49. and for the quality of touch i can take a Studio Logic who had no control but the quality of touch. So how you defend you, beacuse is maybe not for me but how you justificated a hight eleved price ? if it,s not because your are popular brand ? Give me the desire to buy him because the video don't give me the desire. and i'm thi,k many people ask the same question. Personally I am disappointed@@NativeInstruments
I think you guys missed a huge Opportunity here! I know a lot of people who do not buy the s88 because they can only use it with a computer. So they need a seperate piano for spontaneous sessions. So you could have added at least a couple of good sounding piano sounds that you can use standalone. Me personally I would have pre-ordered already. But I really have no space for two pianos and I need the spontaneous availability.
They claim 'few people' use Kontrol with Mashine (a reply in one of these threads FROM NI) - well - that'll be news to those of us who use it all the time.
Maschine integration was deprioritized for Kontrol S MK3 as it is minimally used, even by those who own both, and the presence of the hardware buttons caused confusion for a majority of Kontrol S MK2 owners. Certainly, software reintegration would be possible in the future, but there are no plans to do so at this time. Kontrol S MK2 is still actively supported, integration included.
Nope, still not ... Sorry NI, but I'm keeping my Novation 61SL Mk3 ... The only thing I like in this one is the poly aftertouch (but I don't need it as I own an Osmose), and the direct Kontakt integration, but I can live without it, as I'm used to it since the very first release of it. I prefer having a more "opened to the world" and flexible midi controller with a lot of "controls" actually, such as faders (which are way better for controlling midi CC's IMO than knobs, pads (great for triggering key switches in my case), and CV Pitch, Gate, and Mod outputs .... All I see here, is NI just wanting to lock you up in their ecosystem even more. Although I'm using Kontakt every day, I've created a ton of presets on my SL Mk3 in order to control all my Kontakt Instruments and other synths and plugins, as it's super simple to do in the SL ... Anyway, I had a lot of hope on this one, even thought it would make me sell my Novation, because after all these years since the MK2 release, I thought they would come out something more innovative and/or at least getting up with the competition, but nope ... so I'm keeping and loving my Novagtion even more and for the years to come ... or until a Mk4 ... maybe (?) :)
You still need Komplete Kontrol to host anything that isn’t Kontakt. support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/13530175798045-Kontrol-S-MK3-What-is-Direct-Connection- The Play Assist functionality is in Komplete Kontrol only but we plan to bring that to standalone on-device soon so that it works with anything
@@NativeInstruments thanks 🙏 two more questions if you don’t mind 1) will the LED lights around the main (large) knob be animated in the future to provide feedback for anything? And 2) a suggestion: since there is a new CPU in there … can you split the keyboard and specify different MIDI channels per zone?
I hope the €5 you guys saved by not putting the Maschine buttons on the Mk3 was worth it, because without that integration, the Arturia Keylab looks very compelling.
Hi! Kontrol S-Series MK3 is a MIDI keyboard. It requires connection to a computer to be used with software instruments. Note that a piano library is included with every purchase of the keyboard: bit.ly/3EX1q8n ✌️
Allow Scale & Arp modes to be handled LOCALLY without using Komplete Kontrol; PLEASE! Loading another instance of KK just to test out a patch is MAAAAAD annoying.
Very simple question. Can the MK3 send all the pedal information over 5 pin? Can this be saved in the keyboard itself? I want a single controller not only for my DAW and VST's which this is perfect for, but I also use my controller with a MIDI interface to control all of my hardware synths and sound modules. The current MK2 which I own cannot send even simple simple sustain over 5 pin DIN MIDI since it requires Komplete Kontrol and moving forward this is a dealbreaker for me.
@@NativeInstruments so would I have to unplug the usb cable each time just to use the pedal on my hardware synths? If so, why on earth would it be designed this way? Arturia (which I don’t want for a variety of reasons) sends simultaneous midi from both DIN and USB.
I love this keyboard. But I have one major complaint. I'm totally blind and take advantage of the accessibility features. No where on the product page for my s61 MK III did it say accessibility was not included yet. If I'd knew, I would have bought another board. Unfortunate the MK II can no longer be purchased on your website.
Waited long for this @native instruments Thomann says they ship mk3 kontrol in 3 to 4 weeks ...that would be easily 2 weeks earlier then okt 31st.... I preordered 1 hour after release on ni side....is there a chance that we can get the key 1,2 weeks bevore the official release date okt31st?
@@TheTinkywinky3 ahm no its not the same^^instrument ...the new big glass screen, nks2, poly at, new fatar keys, aluminium knobs & wheels....more direct workflow...no prouct on this planet is for everyone...played couple years mk2..loved it and will remain in my studio but mk3 its a big step from mk2 and i will use it every day :)...almost
I really wish the manual was already out, it's great that you can stack Kontakt instruments, but what would be really useful personally is if it's possible to get multi instruments in Kontakt with separate MIDI channels for setting up orchestral libraries etc. to react to the light guide for that particular instrument, i.e. when you select the instrument in Kontakt does the MK3 show the key-switch setup for that particular instrument? With the new built in MIDI controller assigning for the knobs and buttons, is it only one patch? are there multiple MIDI controller Templates like in the Komplete Kontrol plugin? or is it still that there is one template for the hardware and to change it you need to use the Komplete Kontrol app?
Lol. Did you get the keyboard? They removed midi templates, and you cannot even change midi cc assignments on the two pages of midi controls the keyboard ships with…nevermind changing the midi channel.
@@mjrisinsd6836No, I found a KK 88 mkII a couple years ago for cheap, it works fine and I had a feeling nothing huge would change with the software. NI should always be bought with what they can do right now, not in the future.
I am really close to ordering one. I already own komplete ultimate 11, and really love Noire - i havent been able to find out what i need to get with the mkiii to have the traditional three pedals like on a grand piano Soft, Sostenudo, and Sustain - anyone know of a workable setup of triple pedals maybe with a midi hub type thing to assign the CC numbers to specific pedals? Thanks
I have a couple of questions! Instead of removing those Maschine control buttons, why haven’t you made them more useful for Maschine users? Or at least utilize those buttons for DAW control! Also, why would you put an old technology like ’polyphonic aftertouch’ on a new product? Haven’t you guys heard of MPE! Adding Midi 2 but no, MPE makes no sense, SMH! It’s sad to say but the only reason to upgrade to Mk3 is the new touch strip location. Trust me, that single screen is something you should of done 10yrs ago!
Or they should have made those buttons customisable for players to set up their own custom functions, therefore getting more control out of the keyboard. Not even speaking about what endless possibilities a touchscreen could have offered. I don't know why they call this keyboard Komplete Kontrol when you have even less control with it than with other less expensive keyboards. I see a lot of missed opportunity here. Like if there was no real effort to innovate, to ideate, to get more creative with the new design and functions, to really earn the title "Komplete Kontrol". I don't know if it's laziness or just ignorance on the part of the decision makers, but this keyboard could have been much more and better than what came out.
Maschine makes me sad. Jokes aside: the bugs in the software was enough for me to literally quit fw music like i was. I was around since the mk1 maschine. Benga put me on. After Massive stopped traction I never saw the same NI.
@ryanshatch yup. external Midi limitations and bugs. made me switch even tho I loved the workflow. I've had 2 maschine units have the pads fail and need repair.
@@MrVuvu yea but instead you get more space for plastic.. it looks so nice man that clean plastic design with a little bit of aluminium knobs.. they're like Apple of Audio Products.. don't listen to customers..
Certainly, such products exist. And they're great! But they're just different. Clearly, we know and love pads (hello Maschine past, present and... future(?)) but many users have loved and continue to appreciate the clean focus on being an expressive instrument controller, with exactly that blank space available for people who do want auxiliary pads or synths placed atop their keyboard. Often, the presence of many pads and faders not only increases the cost (particularly if they're high quality) but the complexity for many users. We're proud of the Kontrol MK1, 2 and 3 series that we've built - and hope you love them too!
@@NativeInstruments lol does it really increase the cost?! Arturia has a better built controller for way less then the actually MK3 so as the M-Audio Hammer 88 Pro…so what’s your excuse? Faders shouldn’t increase the cost by margin we all know that.
For the love of god, please do release a "Studio' version of this S Series Kontrol Keyboard, with Faders, Pads, onboard I/O, similar to what akai did with the MPC Keys, or if it would be a Kontrol Keyboard + Maschine + Maschine JAM... even if the price would be the same in the end. At least we would have everything in just ONE device, easier to transport, no cable (beside the computer USB C), all under our finger, with full integration with Maschine sequencer and Komplete sounds & fx.
You know what would be nice? If someone on one of these slew of MK3 video would answer my question what are the dimensions of the "open spaces" on the left and right sides? (Knowing what gear may or may not be able to fit there is valuable information)
@@mkirbymusic that would be great - how did you manage to lay your hands on one so quickly? (I am probably getting in the pre-order line pretty quick here...)
@@klstay here you go! LH side: 22 cm wide by 17.5 cm tall (edge) or 15 cm (top of logo) RH side: 27 cm wide by 17.5 cm tall I'm a long-time NI user and a TH-cam creator, so I became part of their creator community. Which, despite what angry commenters will tell you, carries no obligation to sell or speak positively.
Hopefully if a new Maschine is coming it integrates with Komplete Kontrol and NKS vst within any DAW. And keeps the same or better hands on experience. I love Ableton not changing that for anything. However however bringing back DAW scripts would be icing on already good (maschine hardware) cake.
If you removed the support for Maschine that the MK2 had, perhaps a new pro line of MIDI controllers is on the horizon, including pads and other features (you know, something like Arturia Keylab 88, Novation Launchkey 88, Nektar Impact LX88, Kurzweil PC4 88 or the buttons, sliders and knobs of the Roland FANTOM-8). This way, you can create a clear distinction between the product you just launched and one aimed at a different type of consumer who requires more control options. After all, we already have the Kontrol M-32, A-Series, S-Series... and who knows, the X-Series very soon! (The question would be, what will their price be?)
I can confirm we plan for more hardware to come in 2024 and 2025, but that's hardly a surprise. We're always working on supporting what is, and expanding what's next. If anything, we've just been a bit too private with our plans. That said, we've no plans at this time to introduce an even more premium Kontrol S MK3 inclusive of pads and faders. Plans can change, but I did want to share this in the interests of transparency. Kontrol S MK3 will stay as focussed as possible on the next-gen NKS experience, with intelligent and dynamic parameters and fluid navigation groupings, as well as the expressiveness of the polyphonic aftertouch, and some other forthcoming firmware updates.
@@NativeInstruments love ''That said, we've no plans at this time to introduce an even more premium Kontrol S MK3 inclusive of pads and faders. Plans can change, but I did want to share this in the interests of transparency.''
@Native Instruments Have you ever considered selling just the control module, and/or expanding its features? Some of us are not looking for a keybed, but a powerful controller for the software would be very useful? maybe even combine some stream deck style functions?
@NativeInstruments the Poly after touch, and the big screen, although I still wish it was machine integrated, but I still look forward buying it, even though I just purchased my Komplete kontrol mk2 S49.
I really want to buy this new KONTROL s-serie MK3 keyboard, BUT I gonna waiting to see the integration with the MASCHINE2 OR New MASCHINE3 SOFTWARE and the new MK4 Maschine that hopefully will come out soon, if there not integration I will not taking and will be very disappointed, Maschine2 became my main DAW that logicproX I love the ecosystem between MK3 and complete Kontrol and the Maschine Mk3
When you say there is an onboard computer. If I wanted to play live on stage (no DAW setup). Could I run this without linking it to a laptop? All the software is inside the Mk3 unit?
Kontrol S MK3 is capable of far more than previously seen (e.g. Kontrol S MK2). It can render things like parameter metadata and graphics on-device, to avoid taxing your computer, and also allow for seamless Direct Connection (seen first in Kontakt 7). However, at this time, it does not render audio, and does not have audio outs. Such possibilities are certainly interesting though... 👀
where can i controll Halion instruments and where can i make user templetes for that and rename parameters? this is a think, that a midi controller in this price class should do! Not only control native instruments vst in komplete control. it is useless for people which use other instruments!
It's the same keybed, I don't use aftertouch and they removed maschine integration. For my needs it's a downgrade which as a mk2 owner makes me happy because it stops me buying it
Is it true that the NI S-Series MK3 does NOT have any built-in sounds??? Granted I'll be using it with Logic Pro X, so that's not a major concern for me. But I don't want to invest $1.3K if a family member can't just sit down at it, turn it on, and hear a basic piano in headphones. Am I missing something? And I'll second the criticism that it has no programable sliders. Built in sound(s), a good Komplete browsing experience, a few sliders, a touch/drum pad surface ... and great weighted keys on the 88, THAT would be the ticket and I'd likely be looking no longer.
dude... looks rad. and NOW IT FITS INTO THE OUTPUT DESK KEYBOARD TRAY!! side note... NI can you please fix your logo? I mean it's LITERALLY the same as the KIA font... like come on! lol...
No FL Studio integration (they confirmed this in the comments), faders, touchscreen, Maschine integration(?), pads, etc. I hoped for better than this, I know there are/were hard working people at NI so I wont be disrespectful. But given all the reviews and breakdowns I've seen, this keyboard is not for me.
Je ne n arrive pas a me décider de remplacer mon m audio CTRL49 qui est plus complet (fader, volume, prise en charges de pratiquement tout les Contrôleurs des vst et hardware ) Donc !
*No Faders *No Drum Pads *No Touch Screen *No Machine Support *Only Kontakt works withoud the crapy Komplete Kontrol Software! Come on Guys.. Are you Guys serious? You had so much Time to bring out the "Eierlegendewollmilchsau" of all Controllers out there... but instead you're praying on poly Aftertouch... Ouch.. it touches me so hard.. such a beauiful big Glass Screen but you can't touch it..
Yes, we're both serious and here to party. Kontrol S MK3 is intended as an expressive, deeply integrated instrument controller. Of course it does include essential DAW integrations, such as transport, and a mixer page with volume, pan, mute and solo. However, Faders and Pads are not as popular a request en masse as the initial comments may seem. Totally understand why some people would want such features, and those products do exist! The Maschine integration is still supported in Kontrol S MK2, but was deprioritized for Kontrol MK3 due to low adoption rates, even among users who owned both. Only Kontakt you say? What other plug-ins would you like to see? Watch this space. 👀
Say whatever, these new keyboards look 🔥. Love the LED ring around the 4-way encoder. I definitely would have preferred a few faders on the keyboards. Especially for mod and expression. I use orchestral libraries that require automation on mod and expression and currently I have to use a monogram along with my s88. I wish the faders were part of the keyboard, that would be a great setup.
Less buttons, more leds. No Maschine support, almost the same DAW controls as with Mk2. Bigger screeens and less functionality. That's the worst changes to new product you could make NI.
No midi templates either or ability to change pre-mapped cc numbers or midi channel. Oh, and you only get 2 pages of pre mapped midi controls in midi mode. Horrendous
@@NativeInstruments hopefully And Maschine intégration,with more easy hardware mapping for specially the arranger view, a new maschine3! I mean guys it’s 10years now! Since the maschine2 been lunched!
If you do not even support your own products, why should we do it?? No Maschine integration support is unreal and the DAW. integration, learn from the competition.
Imagine my confusion after years away, and finding a video, ON THIS CHANNEL, about Maschine Integration with the MK2, to find that Native Instruments is already removing support to Maschine with the Mk3 of their keyboard line. I had to return a mk3 keyboard to buy an mk2 for Maschine intergration. That's ridiculous. Soon as they get Native Access actually working and not a lawsuit ready to pop, they start killing their own program's compatibility. What a baffling decision.
People are mad this does not support Maschine. Yet you have to understand NI is a plug in company, not a hardware company like Akai. NI started off with the FM plug in. Its Maschine was just a way to get customers to use its plug ins. Ni never wanted to compete with Akai . This keyboard is just NI getting back to its original focus. The hardware here of course is crap; but the focus is on NI plug ins. If you want hardware and software integration for beat making, get a MPC X and a MPC Keys.
If that was the case they shouldn’t have put out the maschine plus. The maschine was the best thing that came out of native instruments. That’s what made them relevant.
DAW integration with many DAW's but none for their own Maschine software. Typical NI, where the bean counters who never used any of the products make the decisions.
That's not how it is here - the products are designed and built by passionate and creative people like you. That doesn't mean they're designed and built for every single use case - Maschine integration was deprioritized as very few users ever used it with Kontrol S MK2, and the buttons confused a lot of other users. Certainly, we could bring back the software integration at some point if there was enough critical mass.
They messed up akai already shaded us with this type of stuff before getting to the real. NI just give us the real deal this should have been a stand alone Komplete synth with a sequencer
@@NativeInstrumentsthe only thing worse than dropping this board that has alienated many users that wanted new features would be if you drop a standalone board in their face shortly thereafter. If any of those customers decide to alter their workflow to get along with the Mk3, you basically would be confirming the MK3 was a lazy cash grab and leaving them with a vastly depreciated paperweight. I really hope you haven’t sunk this low.
Still no faders. Still not interested. For the price of this, you should have made it a touchscreen and that way you could have given us on-screen faders.
"Not that many users used maschine integration" ... apparently untrue. Everysingle video on the net that reviews has complaints. Very very few hype. Yall need Standalone and Maschine integration. Smh🤦♂️
Why no faders or transport control in 2023? Always so much empty/wasted space on these keyboards since version 1.. They are super-wide for no reason, and the 88 will NOT fit on most desks - (the pitch & mod controls could easily be placed ABOVE the keyboard to save space, like the AKAI MPK88). This just seems like a very lazy reproduction of old hardware with minimal PHYSICAL control features that are much needed in 2023.
As with the prior generations, Kontrol S MK3 is an expressive and deeply integrated instrument controller - a focus many users love. Certainly, there exist products with faders, and they're good too! We'd encourage you to buy and use whatever product makes the most sense for your needs. Of course, the Kontrol S MK3 DAW integration still includes dedicated buttons for standard transport functions, and a fully functional mixer page for volume, pan, mute and solo.
It’s ALMOST as if NI just independently developed this thing without any input whatsoever from their loyal customers. Almost. I means that’s EXACTLY what seems to have happened.
We collaborated closely with our users in the development of the S-Series Kontrol MK3. 🙂 Check out this article on MusicTech for more details: bit.ly/49x1h9H
Yeah I read the article. It says: “there’s been some alignment with the Maschine team. That’s your internal developers. Not users. It also says Native watches the forums for input. Really? Were there multiple posts titled “I really wish the next Komplete Keyboard would drop Maschine support?” 😂 “The interesting part of our strategy is we were starting to see the synergy between the two product lines. Back then, we were two different divisions but the two products shared a lot of architecture. They shared a lot of modules, and they were also released at the same time with a lot of the same hardware components from a tech stack perspective; same displays, and methods of doing things” Then in the next paragraph it says you’re not going to be integrating Maschine into it for “efficiency”. “However, the two product families are unlikely to be unified any time soon - at least not that Chris could reveal. “No, we’re not going to blend the products. We’ll continue to invest and create value for each of the pillars. It’s more of an efficiency thing; we’re working in a focused manner and also with a well-thought-out architecture which means we can move quicker. In the past, it’s been very difficult because there was a siloed approach - it was very hard to converge. I would say we’re not going to blend the products because each has its loyal followings and use cases.” So, again; I ask you: did you ACTUALLY collaborate with or get the INPUT from your customers? No. This reads EXACTLY as it sounds: you want maschine users to buy Maschine hardware, only. But a lot of maschine users are KEYBOARD PLAYERS and use both devices. Now one of them can’t work with Maschine . Totally ridiculous. I’m sorry to sound so dramatic but I (and im sure many many others) have spent a fortune on your ecosystem and use the keyboard as a primary controller for Maschine…and now we can’t move forward with you and are stuck with a discontinued mk2 keyboard that soon we won’t even be able to buy new if ours breaks. Maybe you’ll find a way to integrate the two. There’s definitely a market for it.
If you wanna have great design...giant glass screen, poly at, nks2, easy workflow and by far the best keys in terms of feel, quallity and playabillity then kontrol is for you If you also wanna have faders and pads within a masterkey then buy somewhere else...arturia mayby.... Simple
@nativeinstruments it isn't too late to bring back Maschine compatibility to your flagship controller. Why wouldn't you want your two most important hardware controllers to be 100% compatible?
I really hope they answer that question honestly and not give some more BS again like no one was using it with Maschine
Kontrol S MK2 is still actively supported, so nothing has been removed for existing customers. Such integration was de-prioritized for Kontrol S MK3 simply because 1) very few people were using it and 2) the presence of the buttons was causing significant confusion for a majority of users who are non-Maschine users. Kontrol S Mk3 has a bigger screen, an on-device rendering engine, and is far more capable and open. We may bring back such integrations in future (albeit without dedicated buttons) but there aren't plans to do so at this time, hence the commitment to continue to support MK2
@nativeinstruments thank you for replying, but forgetting about the S series mk 2, it seems like you've made a new product that your existing maschine customers can't use. Is there a way to get more information on what happens when Maschine mk3 and Kontrol mk3 are being used in the Maschine 2 software? Do the keyboard and chord modes from Maschine transpose to the Kontrol mk3 keyboard? Or does it just become like any other midi controller when Komplete Kontrol isn't being used in Maschine (because it doesn't have to be, when working with Maschine workflow)?
I must say that I saw this coming. Remember DAW scripts were removed after the maschine mk2 launch and maschine doesn't integrate with komplete kontrol within third-party DAWs.
@@MrVuvui have Maschines mk3 and not having integration with KK was huge disappointment. I love my mk3 but I really want to use KK library with ableton and have control over the KK library but that was not possible I tried having 8 maschine tracks on ableton and the device will only respond to 1 track only. I grew out of maschine software very quickly and I'm ln ableton 11 suite which is way more capable. However Komplete keyboard did work on both KK and Maschines which was a surprise I have the small M32 which works fine for both. I'm really scratching my head here. After extensive testing I also found that the plug in controls on the maschine mk3 and M32 to be randomly limited and doesn't give you full control over their plug ins. There is always something missing and sometimes arranged randomly over 16 pages which make me believe why it got new look now as groups like Filter/FX/etc.
The touch screen could solve all the problems since some KK instruments have built in sequencer and advanced other features which can only be control by a mouse.
Without touch screen and extra assignable buttons its impossible to solve this problem for Kontrol mk3.
I love NI but I'm very disappointed.
General question: for those of us who are Maschine users this new model is a step backwards from the MK2 models. If we get the previous model are going to end up with a brick eventually? Or will support continue?
I only have a basic understanding of the Maschine software. Can you tell me why the MK3 is a step back?
I am no pro by any means but from the reviews I’ve seen so far the MK3 has removed certain transport buttons that mirrored what is on the Maschine hardware, and the patterns/scenes workflow on the screen is currently not implemented. This could change of course.
NI has their reasons for these changes moving forwards and it is completely their right to do so. I’m just not keen to buy the MK2 if it will not be supported beyond a certain point in the near future.
With MK2 you can effectively create patterns, jump through scenes and load in sounds without touching the computer. I have the M32 and S88. I can make loops without touching the Maschine hardware or computer. It's a major loss in my eyes. The lack of Maschine integration is one of my main reasons for not buying the MK3.
Maybe MK4 will have knobs and pads.
@@TheOnlyMichaelJames You hit the nail on the head. I’m not hatin’ on this new model; more wanting longevity from its Maschine integrated predecessor.
No faders? Aargh! I like the new screen and controls, but no faders in your flagship midi controller? There's certainly plenty of room for them. I don't think polyphonic aftertouch is worth giving up faders. (Pots are a terribly awkward tool for mixing) This missing feature has me looking at other controllers instead and hoping Arturia doesn't make the same mistake that I think you've unfortunately made with this otherwise excellent mk3 controller.
Agreed, I’m extremely aggravated with these companies that keep putting out half baked products. Instead of listening to actual users they’ll listen to reviewers.
News flash NI, the reviewer isn’t the one’s actually buying your product!
They’ve added more LEDs instead 😂. Defeats the “hands on” promise of midi controllers in my opinion. There are less buttons and more flashing lights, I’m all for change but this is also a mistake in my humble opinion
Mk lll is looking like it’s more o a live situation board NOT studio
@@Yahoomediaclub Explain ‘Live situation, NOT Studio’ I’ve NEVER heard of that.
So does that mean my mk2 is a studio ONLY keyboard? Do I need a mk3 to play live?
Can I leave my desktop at home now that it has 4 pedal input and less buttons?
We listen to all of our users! But with as many users as we have, there are such a wide variety of needs, and we may not always cater to every single need within a single product.
y'all need to maintain the machine integration maybe make a M-series or something more like the mk2. maybe just use the same shell but add the aftertouch that would be cool
good suggestion
they indeed need a M-Series with not only Maschine control, but also Pads and some faders (or touchstrips), similar to Maschine and Maschine JAM... to have everything in one controller.
Looks great! I hope there's some sort of Maschine update soon to keep in step with the new nks2.
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you must seriously @@NativeInstruments
Always hypha, is that the only one that works at the moment?
I’ve noticed that too… 🤔
I think they’re focused on showcasing the NKS2 compatible libraries and not sure when this was filmed.
NKS2 so far we have:
Hypha, Analog Dreams, Ashlight, Hybrid Keys, Ethereal Earth, Noire, three Session Guitarists, and the Cremona Quartet we’re just added this morning when I check my Native Access. I expect there to be more and more added to the list each day.
Plus others outside of the Komplete Bundles like:
Heavyocity’s Damage 2 and Symphonic Destruction
u-he Diva
Kontrol S MK3 still supports NKS1 and non NKS plug-ins. But there are also new NKS2 instruments coming every week. CS-80 from Arturia is out, with several more coming soon. Orchestral Tools Time Micro and Time Macro are out.
NI missed a really simple trick for faders, and it would have been a killer feature.
Instead of physical sliders, you use several of the touch bars with the LED that you have next to the pitch wheel.
Position them vertically, as each sound is loaded, the LEDs for each “fader” lights to show its current setting.
You now have software faders.
You could even have the LED for each fader chance colour to match the setting shown on the screen.
That would echo the design of the lights for the keys.
That does exist called " maschine jam". They could just bring the touch faders and make it 10x better I agree.
To forgo both pads and faders was an intentional design decision. Your suggestion is certainly a valid one, but we chose not to increase the component cost, and MSRP any further, which niche features like pads and faders would have done. There are a lot of good products that include such features. Kontrol S MK3, as with previous generations, is focused on instrument integration and expressivity.
@@NativeInstruments And you really think that faders wouldn’t have delivered exactly that AND given you a key differentiator in a very competitive market space?
Not for a majority of our Kontrol S customers, and not at the increase cost.
@@NativeInstrumentsit's not cheap
Do you finally have resizable Windows for your GUI? I spent 4 figures for your previous products and rarely use them cause I CANT SEE THEM on a large 4k Monitor. No more money out of my pocket.
I love all the new useful features (screen, poly aftertouch, redesigned user interface, moving the touch strip). The light guide feels very similar with Mk2 to me - if it ain’t broke. I don’t care for touchscreen or standalone mode so I’m happy with their absence. However we’ve lost the maschine specific buttons and a group of LEDs was added around the browse encoder. What purpose do these extra lights serve other than increasing costs? I thought the point of hardware controllers was for a more hands on experience. Just as a side note, Apple replaced useful ports with two thunderbolt port years ago only to bring those legacy ports back later
Thank you for the feedback! We're definitely excited about the new features.
We're also excited about the further improvements we plan to build, including but not limited to one popular request: Play Assist on-device (meaning, it runs on the keyboard as a MIDI generative instrument, and is not reliant on Komplete Kontrol). The LEDs around the encoder will be multi-purpose, for some deeper DAW integrations, future Play Assist improvements, and so on.
Of course, you can only ever evaluate the keyboard as-is. But do stay tuned to see some of what we'll do next!
@@NativeInstruments BTW we complain because we love NI products
@@NativeInstrumentsis play assist coming to 3rd party developers like EastWest? I know a lot of your orchestral based users would LOVE light guides etc for EW Opus stuff!
I will purchase when it has Play Assist on device. Will that be a different future model of the keyboard or will it be a firmware update/upgrade to this controller?
@@NativeInstrumentshearing play assist on the keyboard is coming has giving me hope. “Keeping my fingers crossed”
I really wanted to get one. It's so sleek! But Where are the faders? I want out of the box full support for my Ableton DAW. I don't have use for any of the software features you guys have added.
They used to have DAW specific scripts for Maschine back in the day. Don't know why that was discontinued. One of my biggest gripe is that maschine doesn't integrate with komplete kontrol within third-party DAW. That hardware to control Ableton hmmm
Kontrol S MK3 is integrated with Ableton. But we'd like to hear from you... what does "full support" mean to you?
I realise I'm conflating maschine and komplete here. But maschine doesn't interface with the komplete kontrol vst in third party DAWs. Love the maschine hardware and all your libraries but never really got into the work flow. Nothing wrong with it just not for me. I already know the standard NI reply "oh maschine is supposed to be blah blah". Maschine used to have scripts for third party DAWs. The removal of Maschine buttons on Komplete S Mk3 feels like deja vu. Why not redesign those buttons so they're more intuitive?
@@NativeInstruments Something lik this, detect the device current active in the Ableton, and automatically map its first eight parameters, and will reconfigure itself upon a new device being selected to ensure that users are able to focus on their performance rather than switching between settings. Doable? Out of the box?
Also, every video I have seen of this new Komplete Kontrole MK3, the screen and lights on it are extremely dim. Is that for the camera purposes or will we be able to change the brightness and make them brighter in person?
They can actually get too bright in my opinion 😅. The default is set at 50-60% if I remember correctly
@@mkirbymusic got you, I’m pumped for it. Can’t wait to get one myself. The 88 key version is calling my name. I’m coming from the S88 mk1 lol.
@@DDC-12 damn, that will be a big jump haha. I take it you are a decent player then? I got the S61 myself and let the 88's go to other creators who can do that weighted keys justice 😅
Yes - you can adjust the brightness of the display, and also the brightness and colour of the LEDs, from fully off to maximum. At max values, it is extremely bright, and was turned down to help the video environment.
With the encoder knob, is there no way to set it to scrub through the session? If the small knobs can already control volume, seems like a missed opportunity to give the encoder knob more functionality..
I have an S-88 on order, because my MIDIBoard ceased to function. Quick questions- Can you do splits/layers with the controller? Can you turn off guide lights? I actually like the austere design, I have other controllers for faders, pads, etc.
hi what's new in accessibility for blind user??
Is an MK4 in development yet that includes faders and drum pads?
I was going to order the S88 MK3 today and switch from the S49MK2, but reading here it's a good thing I didn't. I use Maschine 2 software to create and I have no need to change it. It suits me and works great with this software on the Komplete Kontrol MK2.
S88 MK3, according to what I read here, the software cannot and does not support it. This makes this hardware probably useless for me. Too bad, we'll each keep our own😒
Yeah they made a big big big incompréhensible mistake!!!! I am absolutely in the same situation that you!, maschine2 software is my main daw now since we have clip, I am not use anymore LogicproX.
Maschine2 with great updates in my opinion is the present and futur of Daw! Thanks to the great integration with the hardware!, faster way to produice with the pattern/clip; scene mode and the 2modes “arranger” and “idea” great features and it’s so quickly to produce or have a idea with all the expansions with patterns/Fx chains including or the drums playseries with some pattern as well
Music became easy and it’s give more useful idea I love so much Maschine2 software hopefully sooner will gonna have a Maschine3
Will Kontakt integration be available for MK2 users as well? Or do we still need to use Komplete Kontrol?
MK3 only. It requires the onboard processing functionality of MK3. support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/13530175798045-Kontrol-S-MK3-What-is-Direct-Connection-
@@NativeInstruments Time to get a MK3 then!
Well, we agree! But for those well served by the MK2 please note it’s still supported!
@@NativeInstruments the one thing I would like and the reason I use the machine over complete control is simply the ability to host more than one instrument in the interface at a time if you could chain these instruments together to create an ensemble and complete control that would be lovely and is sorely missing
Is it possible to use the Play Assist feature with other VST plug-ins???
Does it have a custom chord and scale feature? The other stuff is cool and all. But advanced users would like more custom features that will be a great help in a smooth workflow when creating music.
Exactly no response to my question. You really should listen more to your loyal customers who have been asking for much needed features over the years. More advanced features to be specific. Partly explains why I sold my Komplete Kontrol S49 years ago… smh
at approx 10:01 mins.. which DAW is being used.. the confusing part for me is .. if i buy the ultimate collection and this keyboard.. do i still need to buy a DAW like cubase or something?
Wish there was a 76 keyboard.
Does MK3 not stand for Mark 3? As in the 3rd iteration? It's like pronouncing 3rd as 3 R D instead of 'third'. Sounds silly.
Very cool sounds and 20.000 more in laptop,great keyboard.
Who's had their mk3 for more than 6 months already? Are there any issues with the keybed? Are the drivers all good now?
Ile stick with MK2 thanks! :)
Good news! Kontrol S MK3 is aimed primarily at new users, and your Kontrol S MK2 will continue to be supported for years to come.
hope soo, I DONT like the new logo of yours, if it's already good please dont try to fix it@@NativeInstruments
The logo I cannot help 😂
Was great Before, Id love to speak to the CEO personally about this@@NativeInstruments
So 750 Euros for a keyboard with a big screen and few boutons and 8 button that turn. what is the interest of the screen if i have my computer ? And if it can't do it standalone?
Perhaps it is not for you, but for many, it allows for much quicker hands-on performance adjustment of your instruments. In particular, the next-gen NKS navigation introduces the idea of organized groups and sections per plug-in, assigned to the soft buttons atop the screen, so you can quickly move around, play and perform your virtual instrument as if it were "real"
@@NativeInstruments No disrespect but the majority of users disagree. This is what the company wanted not us.
We are as passionate and creative as all of you, and work diligently to talk to a far wider audience - many of whom continue to love the expressive and integrated instrument experience we've built in years past, and in this case, improved. We build for many types of users, not always all at once. If there were products a "company wanted, not users" I'm not sure who would buy these...
I"m think people want a keybord multifuction. Because if i want pad i have to buy , mashine so i had to spend 1300 euros + 599 so like 1700 euros but if i go to arturia i only spend 949 euros for a keybord with pad, aftertouch. But they didn't had screen. But the screnn don't do everything. The only think is good and practical are the buttons. But i had the same think on the a49. and for the quality of touch i can take a Studio Logic who had no control but the quality of touch. So how you defend you, beacuse is maybe not for me but how you justificated a hight eleved price ? if it,s not because your are popular brand ? Give me the desire to buy him because the video don't give me the desire. and i'm thi,k many people ask the same question. Personally I am disappointed@@NativeInstruments
@@NativeInstrumentsI hope fl studio can be a part in the future
Please integrate a simple alphanumeric search system into the browser.
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I think you guys missed a huge Opportunity here! I know a lot of people who do not buy the s88 because they can only use it with a computer. So they need a seperate piano for spontaneous sessions. So you could have added at least a couple of good sounding piano sounds that you can use standalone. Me personally I would have pre-ordered already. But I really have no space for two pianos and I need the spontaneous availability.
Can i mute a track..?? 😮
Not enough of a difference over mk2 to purchase. Polyphonic aftertouch around since the 80’s and no faders? MEH
cool. hearing mixed reviews of this
Be nice to let the viewers know that this MK lll does NOT integrate now with Maschine! Can anyone explain why..?
They claim 'few people' use Kontrol with Mashine (a reply in one of these threads FROM NI) - well - that'll be news to those of us who use it all the time.
Maschine integration was deprioritized for Kontrol S MK3 as it is minimally used, even by those who own both, and the presence of the hardware buttons caused confusion for a majority of Kontrol S MK2 owners. Certainly, software reintegration would be possible in the future, but there are no plans to do so at this time. Kontrol S MK2 is still actively supported, integration included.
I have the MK2 and I’m hoping they bring back the Maschine intergration. Quite honestly, it’s what made me buy the MK2
@@Realliedoe same
@@NativeInstruments you MUST do a Maschine software reintegration
Nope, still not ... Sorry NI, but I'm keeping my Novation 61SL Mk3 ... The only thing I like in this one is the poly aftertouch (but I don't need it as I own an Osmose), and the direct Kontakt integration, but I can live without it, as I'm used to it since the very first release of it. I prefer having a more "opened to the world" and flexible midi controller with a lot of "controls" actually, such as faders (which are way better for controlling midi CC's IMO than knobs, pads (great for triggering key switches in my case), and CV Pitch, Gate, and Mod outputs .... All I see here, is NI just wanting to lock you up in their ecosystem even more. Although I'm using Kontakt every day, I've created a ton of presets on my SL Mk3 in order to control all my Kontakt Instruments and other synths and plugins, as it's super simple to do in the SL ... Anyway, I had a lot of hope on this one, even thought it would make me sell my Novation, because after all these years since the MK2 release, I thought they would come out something more innovative and/or at least getting up with the competition, but nope ... so I'm keeping and loving my Novagtion even more and for the years to come ... or until a Mk4 ... maybe (?) :)
That's the beauty of our industry... there are so many great products out there for such a wide variety of needs!
so you don't need komplete kontrol plugin anymore? just kontakt ??? scale and chords function and key switching all work without KK? is that right?
You still need Komplete Kontrol to host anything that isn’t Kontakt. support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/13530175798045-Kontrol-S-MK3-What-is-Direct-Connection-
The Play Assist functionality is in Komplete Kontrol only but we plan to bring that to standalone on-device soon so that it works with anything
How do you transpose the keys?
Hold SHIFT and press the Octave Up/Down buttons to transpose by one semitone/half step at a time
@@NativeInstruments thanks 🙏 two more questions if you don’t mind 1) will the LED lights around the main (large) knob be animated in the future to provide feedback for anything? And 2) a suggestion: since there is a new CPU in there … can you split the keyboard and specify different MIDI channels per zone?
does polyphonic aftertouch will work for hardware synth with polyphonic aftertouch like Deckard dream or Kijimi?
How about controlling 3 party instruments: Sampletank+Arturia Waves etc.?
Hi! Third-party NKS products are pre-mapped. Otherwise, you can manually configure a mapping.
Where’s Maschine NI?
Can I integrate third party synths like Serum or Spire in Komplete Control?
Not at the moment sorry, but custom MIDI mapping is on their way.
I hope the €5 you guys saved by not putting the Maschine buttons on the Mk3 was worth it, because without that integration, the Arturia Keylab looks very compelling.
Arturia make great products as well. They’re an NKS partner, supporting this new keyboard with CS-80 and more to come. No shade!
yeah exactly
@@NativeInstruments c
do you have to hook this up to a PC to get sound out of it or can it go straight to a speaker or amp etc?
The Kontrol S-Series MK3 is a MIDI controller, and needs to be connected to a computer. 🙂
What about 76 key?
No plans for 73 or 76
Can i also use this keyboard to just play "Normal" piano? Like without features just playing you know.
Hi! Kontrol S-Series MK3 is a MIDI keyboard. It requires connection to a computer to be used with software instruments. Note that a piano library is included with every purchase of the keyboard: bit.ly/3EX1q8n ✌️
I don't see much difference between the mk2 and mk3 to make me want to upgrade.
How about Polyphonic aftertouch? Here are some of the new features for Kontrol S-Series MK3: bit.ly/3PiGUUD
lot of actuelle S2 MK2 user feeling same
Allow Scale & Arp modes to be handled LOCALLY without using Komplete Kontrol; PLEASE!
Loading another instance of KK just to test out a patch is MAAAAAD annoying.
Couldn't agree more. Stay tuned. 👀
When will you add integration for FL Studio ?
Will IZotope Neutron have direct control in this ? It would be great to be able to control the multi band Eq within the new display !
It won’t be NKS2 yet, pending updates from that team
Very simple question. Can the MK3 send all the pedal information over 5 pin? Can this be saved in the keyboard itself? I want a single controller not only for my DAW and VST's which this is perfect for, but I also use my controller with a MIDI interface to control all of my hardware synths and sound modules. The current MK2 which I own cannot send even simple simple sustain over 5 pin DIN MIDI since it requires Komplete Kontrol and moving forward this is a dealbreaker for me.
Hi! Yes it can, but not while using USB. ✌️
@@NativeInstruments so would I have to unplug the usb cable each time just to use the pedal on my hardware synths? If so, why on earth would it be designed this way? Arturia (which I don’t want for a variety of reasons) sends simultaneous midi from both DIN and USB.
@@NativeInstrumentsyou've got to be kidding.... please fix this.
Hello. Does the keyboard backlight turn off? What are its operating modes?
Maschine MK4 please!!!
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@@NativeInstruments don't disappoint us with a non fully ready new Maschine MK4 product
I love this keyboard. But I have one major complaint. I'm totally blind and take advantage of the accessibility features. No where on the product page for my s61 MK III did it say accessibility was not included yet. If I'd knew, I would have bought another board. Unfortunate the MK II can no longer be purchased on your website.
Waited long for this
@native instruments
Thomann says they ship mk3 kontrol in 3 to 4 weeks ...that would be easily 2 weeks earlier then okt 31st....
I preordered 1 hour after release on ni side....is there a chance that we can get the key 1,2 weeks bevore the official release date okt31st?
Why are you waiting? There is the same instrument but MK2. I see no difference.
@@TheTinkywinky3 ahm no its not the same^^instrument ...the new big glass screen, nks2, poly at, new fatar keys, aluminium knobs & wheels....more direct workflow...no prouct on this planet is for everyone...played couple years mk2..loved it and will remain in my studio but mk3 its a big step from mk2 and i will use it every day :)...almost
I really wish the manual was already out, it's great that you can stack Kontakt instruments, but what would be really useful personally is if it's possible to get multi instruments in Kontakt with separate MIDI channels for setting up orchestral libraries etc. to react to the light guide for that particular instrument, i.e. when you select the instrument in Kontakt does the MK3 show the key-switch setup for that particular instrument? With the new built in MIDI controller assigning for the knobs and buttons, is it only one patch? are there multiple MIDI controller Templates like in the Komplete Kontrol plugin? or is it still that there is one template for the hardware and to change it you need to use the Komplete Kontrol app?
Lol. Did you get the keyboard? They removed midi templates, and you cannot even change midi cc assignments on the two pages of midi controls the keyboard ships with…nevermind changing the midi channel.
@@mjrisinsd6836No, I found a KK 88 mkII a couple years ago for cheap, it works fine and I had a feeling nothing huge would change with the software. NI should always be bought with what they can do right now, not in the future.
MIDI templates for Kontrol S-Series MK3 is on its way 👀
Can you show a demo using FL Studio??
That's great feedback! Yes, we'll make sure to include this in future, as we're working on an integration with FL Studio right now!
@@NativeInstruments Awesome! Thanks!
I am really close to ordering one. I already own komplete ultimate 11, and really love Noire - i havent been able to find out what i need to get with the mkiii to have the traditional three pedals like on a grand piano
Soft, Sostenudo, and Sustain - anyone know of a workable setup of triple pedals maybe with a midi hub type thing to assign the CC numbers to specific pedals? Thanks
Thanks for the review I love it
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Does it integrate with Cubase 10.5 ?
Yes, the Kontrol S-Series MK3 offers advanced integration with Cubase: bit.ly/3ZDKA7Y 💯
Are you telling me that big screen is not touch 😮😮
I have a couple of questions! Instead of removing those Maschine control buttons, why haven’t you made them more useful for Maschine users? Or at least utilize those buttons for DAW control! Also, why would you put an old technology like ’polyphonic aftertouch’ on a new product? Haven’t you guys heard of MPE! Adding Midi 2 but no, MPE makes no sense, SMH! It’s sad to say but the only reason to upgrade to Mk3 is the new touch strip location. Trust me, that single screen is something you should of done 10yrs ago!
Good point on the maschine buttons
Or they should have made those buttons customisable for players to set up their own custom functions, therefore getting more control out of the keyboard. Not even speaking about what endless possibilities a touchscreen could have offered. I don't know why they call this keyboard Komplete Kontrol when you have even less control with it than with other less expensive keyboards. I see a lot of missed opportunity here. Like if there was no real effort to innovate, to ideate, to get more creative with the new design and functions, to really earn the title "Komplete Kontrol". I don't know if it's laziness or just ignorance on the part of the decision makers, but this keyboard could have been much more and better than what came out.
This is not worth leaving mk2 complete waste of money look at this they could have put drum pads on it atleast
Kontrol S MK2 is still supported, so there's no need to upgrade if you're not sold on the new features. If ever you are... we'll be here! :-)
Maschine makes me sad.
Jokes aside: the bugs in the software was enough for me to literally quit fw music like i was. I was around since the mk1 maschine. Benga put me on.
After Massive stopped traction I never saw the same NI.
@ryanshatch yup. external Midi limitations and bugs. made me switch even tho I loved the workflow. I've had 2 maschine units have the pads fail and need repair.
No faders.
No pads.
No touchscreen.
So much dead space for faders and/or pads. I almost feel like the LEDs around the browse encoder were added just fill space
@@MrVuvu yea but instead you get more space for plastic.. it looks so nice man that clean plastic design with a little bit of aluminium knobs.. they're like Apple of Audio Products.. don't listen to customers..
Certainly, such products exist. And they're great! But they're just different. Clearly, we know and love pads (hello Maschine past, present and... future(?)) but many users have loved and continue to appreciate the clean focus on being an expressive instrument controller, with exactly that blank space available for people who do want auxiliary pads or synths placed atop their keyboard. Often, the presence of many pads and faders not only increases the cost (particularly if they're high quality) but the complexity for many users. We're proud of the Kontrol MK1, 2 and 3 series that we've built - and hope you love them too!
@@Vocalisto wink wink
@@NativeInstruments lol does it really increase the cost?! Arturia has a better built controller for way less then the actually MK3 so as the M-Audio Hammer 88 Pro…so what’s your excuse? Faders shouldn’t increase the cost by margin we all know that.
For the love of god, please do release a "Studio' version of this S Series Kontrol Keyboard, with Faders, Pads, onboard I/O, similar to what akai did with the MPC Keys, or if it would be a Kontrol Keyboard + Maschine + Maschine JAM... even if the price would be the same in the end. At least we would have everything in just ONE device, easier to transport, no cable (beside the computer USB C), all under our finger, with full integration with Maschine sequencer and Komplete sounds & fx.
You know what would be nice? If someone on one of these slew of MK3 video would answer my question what are the dimensions of the "open spaces" on the left and right sides? (Knowing what gear may or may not be able to fit there is valuable information)
I have the S61 and can measure it tonight for you.
@@mkirbymusic that would be great - how did you manage to lay your hands on one so quickly? (I am probably getting in the pre-order line pretty quick here...)
@@klstay here you go!
LH side: 22 cm wide by 17.5 cm tall (edge) or 15 cm (top of logo)
RH side: 27 cm wide by 17.5 cm tall
I'm a long-time NI user and a TH-cam creator, so I became part of their creator community. Which, despite what angry commenters will tell you, carries no obligation to sell or speak positively.
@@mkirbymusic thanks for the info! Looks like even my Maschine Mikro will not fit on either side...
This is too awesome! I hope there is a new Maschine on the horizon!👀
Hopefully if a new Maschine is coming it integrates with Komplete Kontrol and NKS vst within any DAW. And keeps the same or better hands on experience. I love Ableton not changing that for anything. However however bringing back DAW scripts would be icing on already good (maschine hardware) cake.
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If you removed the support for Maschine that the MK2 had, perhaps a new pro line of MIDI controllers is on the horizon, including pads and other features (you know, something like Arturia Keylab 88, Novation Launchkey 88, Nektar Impact LX88, Kurzweil PC4 88 or the buttons, sliders and knobs of the Roland FANTOM-8). This way, you can create a clear distinction between the product you just launched and one aimed at a different type of consumer who requires more control options. After all, we already have the Kontrol M-32, A-Series, S-Series... and who knows, the X-Series very soon! (The question would be, what will their price be?)
I can confirm we plan for more hardware to come in 2024 and 2025, but that's hardly a surprise. We're always working on supporting what is, and expanding what's next. If anything, we've just been a bit too private with our plans.
That said, we've no plans at this time to introduce an even more premium Kontrol S MK3 inclusive of pads and faders. Plans can change, but I did want to share this in the interests of transparency.
Kontrol S MK3 will stay as focussed as possible on the next-gen NKS experience, with intelligent and dynamic parameters and fluid navigation groupings, as well as the expressiveness of the polyphonic aftertouch, and some other forthcoming firmware updates.
@@NativeInstruments love ''That said, we've no plans at this time to introduce an even more premium Kontrol S MK3 inclusive of pads and faders. Plans can change, but I did want to share this in the interests of transparency.''
@Native Instruments Have you ever considered selling just the control module, and/or expanding its features? Some of us are not looking for a keybed, but a powerful controller for the software would be very useful? maybe even combine some stream deck style functions?
That should Have been Komplete plus
I want this keyboard. Looking so good.
Same here
❤️. What are you most excited about?
@NativeInstruments the Poly after touch, and the big screen, although I still wish it was machine integrated, but I still look forward buying it, even though I just purchased my Komplete kontrol mk2 S49.
I really want to buy this new KONTROL s-serie MK3 keyboard, BUT I gonna waiting to see the integration with the MASCHINE2 OR New MASCHINE3 SOFTWARE and the new MK4 Maschine that hopefully will come out soon, if there not integration I will not taking and will be very disappointed, Maschine2 became my main DAW that logicproX I love the ecosystem between MK3 and complete Kontrol and the Maschine Mk3
When you say there is an onboard computer. If I wanted to play live on stage (no DAW setup). Could I run this without linking it to a laptop? All the software is inside the Mk3 unit?
Every MIDI controller ever has an onboard computer.
And no, this controller won't work without a computer.
Kontrol S MK3 is capable of far more than previously seen (e.g. Kontrol S MK2). It can render things like parameter metadata and graphics on-device, to avoid taxing your computer, and also allow for seamless Direct Connection (seen first in Kontakt 7). However, at this time, it does not render audio, and does not have audio outs. Such possibilities are certainly interesting though... 👀
where can i controll Halion instruments and where can i make user templetes for that and rename parameters? this is a think, that a midi controller in this price class should do! Not only control native instruments vst in komplete control. it is useless for people which use other instruments!
Hi, we're working on implementing custom MIDI templates at the moment. This feature will be included in a future update coming in the coming months!
@@NativeInstruments Thank you, i hope i must not wait too long
It's the same keybed, I don't use aftertouch and they removed maschine integration. For my needs it's a downgrade which as a mk2 owner makes me happy because it stops me buying it
Just do a iPad software that talk to my keyboard and my computer. I will have touch screen and a free upgrade. It’s not that hard to do.
agree
Nice sounds
Is it true that the NI S-Series MK3 does NOT have any built-in sounds??? Granted I'll be using it with Logic Pro X, so that's not a major concern for me. But I don't want to invest $1.3K if a family member can't just sit down at it, turn it on, and hear a basic piano in headphones. Am I missing something? And I'll second the criticism that it has no programable sliders. Built in sound(s), a good Komplete browsing experience, a few sliders, a touch/drum pad surface ... and great weighted keys on the 88, THAT would be the ticket and I'd likely be looking no longer.
the shell has a lot of empty space... I'm expecting a sister friend for Maschine mk3, in the style of Maschine Jam
Just saw the polyphonic after touch 👀😎👍🏿👍🏿💯🔥🔥🔥🔥👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿and it’s official, I’m going to get one. No if ands or buts.
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dude... looks rad. and NOW IT FITS INTO THE OUTPUT DESK KEYBOARD TRAY!!
side note... NI can you please fix your logo? I mean it's LITERALLY the same as the KIA font... like come on! lol...
No FL Studio integration (they confirmed this in the comments), faders, touchscreen, Maschine integration(?), pads, etc.
I hoped for better than this, I know there are/were hard working people at NI so I wont be disrespectful.
But given all the reviews and breakdowns I've seen, this keyboard is not for me.
FL Studio integration is being actively worked on, and is coming very soon.
The control buttons are too loud and clicky like the mk2. I wish they were quieter to press, kind of annoying.
When can we expect a standalone keyboard? If you all can make a standalone maschine you all can make a standalone keyboard
No more midi. We want a standalone!!! Like the Akai MPC 61 standalone!
"We"
WUZ
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Je ne n arrive pas a me décider de remplacer mon m audio CTRL49 qui est plus complet (fader, volume, prise en charges de pratiquement tout les Contrôleurs des vst et hardware ) Donc !
*No Faders
*No Drum Pads
*No Touch Screen
*No Machine Support
*Only Kontakt works withoud the crapy Komplete Kontrol Software!
Come on Guys.. Are you Guys serious?
You had so much Time to bring out the "Eierlegendewollmilchsau" of all Controllers out there... but instead you're praying on poly Aftertouch... Ouch.. it touches me so hard.. such a beauiful big Glass Screen but you can't touch it..
Yes, we're both serious and here to party.
Kontrol S MK3 is intended as an expressive, deeply integrated instrument controller. Of course it does include essential DAW integrations, such as transport, and a mixer page with volume, pan, mute and solo.
However, Faders and Pads are not as popular a request en masse as the initial comments may seem. Totally understand why some people would want such features, and those products do exist! The Maschine integration is still supported in Kontrol S MK2, but was deprioritized for Kontrol MK3 due to low adoption rates, even among users who owned both.
Only Kontakt you say? What other plug-ins would you like to see? Watch this space. 👀
very good point
Say whatever, these new keyboards look 🔥. Love the LED ring around the 4-way encoder. I definitely would have preferred a few faders on the keyboards. Especially for mod and expression. I use orchestral libraries that require automation on mod and expression and currently I have to use a monogram along with my s88. I wish the faders were part of the keyboard, that would be a great setup.
Less buttons, more leds. No Maschine support, almost the same DAW controls as with Mk2. Bigger screeens and less functionality. That's the worst changes to new product you could make NI.
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No midi templates either or ability to change pre-mapped cc numbers or midi channel. Oh, and you only get 2 pages of pre mapped midi controls in midi mode. Horrendous
Rest assured MIDI templates is on its way in the upcoming updates.
@@NativeInstruments hopefully
And Maschine intégration,with more easy hardware mapping for specially the arranger view, a new maschine3! I mean guys it’s 10years now! Since the maschine2 been lunched!
If you do not even support your own products, why should we do it?? No Maschine integration support is unreal and the DAW. integration, learn from the competition.
Imagine my confusion after years away, and finding a video, ON THIS CHANNEL, about Maschine Integration with the MK2, to find that Native Instruments is already removing support to Maschine with the Mk3 of their keyboard line. I had to return a mk3 keyboard to buy an mk2 for Maschine intergration. That's ridiculous. Soon as they get Native Access actually working and not a lawsuit ready to pop, they start killing their own program's compatibility. What a baffling decision.
Stupid question: Does it have to be used with a computer or can it be standalone?
People are mad this does not support Maschine. Yet you have to understand NI is a plug in company, not a hardware company like Akai. NI started off with the FM plug in. Its Maschine was just a way to get customers to use its plug ins. Ni never wanted to compete with Akai . This keyboard is just NI getting back to its original focus. The hardware here of course is crap; but the focus is on NI plug ins. If you want hardware and software integration for beat making, get a MPC X and a MPC Keys.
If that was the case they shouldn’t have put out the maschine plus. The maschine was the best thing that came out of native instruments. That’s what made them relevant.
DAW integration with many DAW's but none for their own Maschine software. Typical NI, where the bean counters who never used any of the products make the decisions.
That's not how it is here - the products are designed and built by passionate and creative people like you. That doesn't mean they're designed and built for every single use case - Maschine integration was deprioritized as very few users ever used it with Kontrol S MK2, and the buttons confused a lot of other users. Certainly, we could bring back the software integration at some point if there was enough critical mass.
@@NativeInstruments …Well community, let’s get our Maschine Ecosystem back! AVENGERS, ASSEMBLE 😂😂😂😂
They messed up akai already shaded us with this type of stuff before getting to the real. NI just give us the real deal this should have been a stand alone Komplete synth with a sequencer
You’re describing an awesome product! That’s not this product. But maybe we’ll do that as well…
@@NativeInstrumentsthe only thing worse than dropping this board that has alienated many users that wanted new features would be if you drop a standalone board in their face shortly thereafter. If any of those customers decide to alter their workflow to get along with the Mk3, you basically would be confirming the MK3 was a lazy cash grab and leaving them with a vastly depreciated paperweight. I really hope you haven’t sunk this low.
Still no faders. Still not interested. For the price of this, you should have made it a touchscreen and that way you could have given us on-screen faders.
Вот это вещь!
"Not that many users used maschine integration" ... apparently untrue. Everysingle video on the net that reviews has complaints. Very very few hype.
Yall need Standalone and Maschine integration. Smh🤦♂️
Why no faders or transport control in 2023?
Always so much empty/wasted space on these keyboards since version 1..
They are super-wide for no reason, and the 88 will NOT fit on most desks - (the pitch & mod controls could easily be placed ABOVE the keyboard to save space, like the AKAI MPK88).
This just seems like a very lazy reproduction of old hardware with minimal PHYSICAL control features that are much needed in 2023.
As with the prior generations, Kontrol S MK3 is an expressive and deeply integrated instrument controller - a focus many users love. Certainly, there exist products with faders, and they're good too! We'd encourage you to buy and use whatever product makes the most sense for your needs.
Of course, the Kontrol S MK3 DAW integration still includes dedicated buttons for standard transport functions, and a fully functional mixer page for volume, pan, mute and solo.
Awesome!!!💯💯❤❤
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Defo.. I’m looking for more integrated system NOT less.
No upgrades on new hardware from me.. it would be £2000 +
To go back the way! Come on NI !!
No thanks
It’s ALMOST as if NI just independently developed this thing without any input whatsoever from their loyal customers. Almost. I means that’s EXACTLY what seems to have happened.
We collaborated closely with our users in the development of the S-Series Kontrol MK3. 🙂 Check out this article on MusicTech for more details: bit.ly/49x1h9H
Yeah I read the article. It says: “there’s been some alignment with the Maschine team. That’s your internal developers. Not users. It also says Native watches the forums for input. Really? Were there multiple posts titled “I really wish the next Komplete Keyboard would drop Maschine support?” 😂
“The interesting part of our strategy is we were starting to see the synergy between the two product lines. Back then, we were two different divisions but the two products shared a lot of architecture. They shared a lot of modules, and they were also released at the same time with a lot of the same hardware components from a tech stack perspective; same displays, and methods of doing things”
Then in the next paragraph it says you’re not going to be integrating Maschine into it for “efficiency”.
“However, the two product families are unlikely to be unified any time soon - at least not that Chris could reveal. “No, we’re not going to blend the products. We’ll continue to invest and create value for each of the pillars. It’s more of an efficiency thing; we’re working in a focused manner and also with a well-thought-out architecture which means we can move quicker. In the past, it’s been very difficult because there was a siloed approach - it was very hard to converge. I would say we’re not going to blend the products because each has its loyal followings and use cases.”
So, again; I ask you: did you ACTUALLY collaborate with or get the INPUT from your customers? No. This reads EXACTLY as it sounds: you want maschine users to buy Maschine hardware, only. But a lot of maschine users are KEYBOARD PLAYERS and use both devices. Now one of them can’t work with Maschine . Totally ridiculous.
I’m sorry to sound so dramatic but I (and im sure many many others) have spent a fortune on your ecosystem and use the keyboard as a primary controller for Maschine…and now we can’t move forward with you and are stuck with a discontinued mk2 keyboard that soon we won’t even be able to buy new if ours breaks. Maybe you’ll find a way to integrate the two.
There’s definitely a market for it.
If you wanna have great design...giant glass screen, poly at, nks2, easy workflow and by far the best keys in terms of feel, quallity and playabillity then kontrol is for you
If you also wanna have faders and pads within a masterkey then buy somewhere else...arturia mayby....
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