I think that the best part is that you're only putting one wire per terminal rather than squeezing two or three wires into one terminal & hoping that the screw properly clamps them all together & none pop out.
These came out today already fitted a couple in a nursing home where we couldn't turn off the power (resident bed ridden on oxygen). Absolute game changer for situations when you have to work live, that said because it is so easy and convenient they're definitely going to be a DIY'ers go to socket now.
I actually thought that scenario when I first saw them. But decided not to mention it in the video to avoid debatable comments on that subject. But yea sometimes you have absolutely no choice
I like them myself, no more loose connections over time. Cannot wait to see these on shower & cooker isolators as I think we have all seen a burnt wires on these in the past.
I am pretty impressed that MK have started making sockets with wago style connectors on the back as an alternative to screwed connections which don’t always get torqued up equally. Soon they’ll be doing light switches and other accessories with these maintenance free connections but one disadvantage is they are a bit pricey even for experienced DIYers who are able to carry out a simple swap over. Other than that though they look fantastic!
I've been waiting for this for years, not sure why it's taken so long. Will be interesting to see if they gain traction in the market and how the price drops.
Hopefully this moves the needle in terms of the whole market, and it becomes more or less standard and then when volumes increase and efficiencies come in we can get the unit cost down a bit! Great vid mate!
I have been waiting for these for soooo long…other manufacturers will follow soon…switch fuse spurs would be a godsend but probably to small a footprint
Great idea, like everyone else says just the industry moving forward, although I think push fit pendants would of been more logical. But like you found in the video it's real life so just wait until its stranded Ali twisted within an inch of its life and we're rocking up with these 😂
Yea I noticed them and made sure the cable was behind them. I did try to bend one back but the back box started to rock with it and I could see it was going to crack the plaster around the socket so left it alone
I’ll be intrigued to see how well these connections hold up on these as the years go by, obviously newer better versions will come about over time but I’ve saw that you can actually pull the cores out of these with a good enough pull unlike the wagos
Regarding your Bosch driver..best thing I ever did with my 2 was disable the push button on top and just used the push down facility ..I just kept catching the button to often
Mk will make a good product that will be robust and safe, but this will reflect in the cost, but soon other makers will jump on the band wagon ie LAP, etc that’s where the problems will be , as they will be cheaper.
I think they're a gamechanger for 4mm radials. More so for taking off a 4mm spur. It's pretty difficult to spur off a 4mm radial on the standard m Mk logic sockets or any other standard socket for that matter. I look forward to seeing these wago type terminals in DP shower isolaters, fcu's and light switches. I'm wondering if it will be at all possible for this system to be integrated in to CU's. I'm already liking the wago wiring centres.
Yep they definitely have their pros over screws. i think hager already have a push connector rcbo in Europe. but yea it’s not exactly common, and would be nice if it was here.
@@Cablesmith Hager calls it Quick Connect. They introduced earth and neutral block for the consumer unit, up to 4mm² it's push-in, and screw terminals are for the larger wires up to 25mm². Then they introduced RCBOs and MCBs a few years ago. Even the bus bar is clipped in. Can't remember if this year or last year, they introduced three-phase RCBOs with that. But only up to 3x20A. The single phase RCBOs only up to 16A, that's the usual rating for socket circuits here. And now also AFDDs, but also only up to 20A for the single phase ones. But their AFDD with screws are also only up to 20A. Maybe because in Germany the DNOs usually only permit single phase loads with a maximum rating of 4.6kVA, appliances with a higher demand must be connected three-phase. Few exceptions, like old kitchen cooker circuits where they permit 25 or 32A for that one. Three phase is common even in domestic dwellings. Light switches were changed over to push-in during the 80s, the sockets during the early 90s. Now only special accessories still have screws, for example wall mounted pull switches or newly manufactured Bakelite switches. And the cheap stuff that you should better not install... www.hager.de/verteilersysteme/kleinverteiler/pe-n-klemmen-quickconnect/975710.htm The thing is, they are rated for 63A only. The houses here are usually fused with 3x63A (old ones with 3x35A).
I got one of these today to fit in a kitchen that the clown that wired it up previously never left enough wire to or space to get a stubby driver in to terminate. Hoping this would do the job, but not happy with the lack of tension on the lever terminations, MK need to improve them before marketing any more of these products
my mum had a leaking tap and she could not get a plumber, they did not seem keen on such a small job. so i had to do it, but push fit pipes are easy, so simple job to fit new tap. so is electrics going the same way with wagos and push fit sockets. no offense but where i live plumbers and electricians seem to do shoddy work, and it a total gamble who will,turn up at your door, they want to do the job a quick as possible and dont give a sht if its a good job or not.
Good video pal, I think this is the natural progression of things. Same as terminal block to Wago. I think it’s a good thing for our industry as I reckon fault finding will be a lot easier. Do you imagine they’ll do the same with ceiling roses or even consumer units eventually, stops cross treading or screws breaking in neutral / earth bars in boards.
I think they will, don’t quote me on this but I’m sure some European country already has hager MCBs with push fit connections? at least this way people can’t twist earths together so yea fault finding should be easier !
@@Cablesmith I think most European countries get the Hager QuickConnect neutral and earth bars and MCBs these days. Don't underestimate the creativity of fools though. I've seen people cram doubled-over solid 1.5 into push-in terminals, with the predictable result of heat damage. Some old-timey electricians ran a continuous length of singles from socket to socket without cutting the conductors at each socket, just stripping 20 mm and doubling it over. Time-consuming but provides excellent continuity of course. You just shouldn't try to push those two conductors into a terminal only designed for one, even less so if it's a socket of ill reputation anyway.
Normal double socket outlets have 2 CPC Terminals ( where you could fit in 4+ CPCs) These have 3, where would you connect the fly lead for the back box, if you have two CPCs for the RFC & 1 for a spur ?
Only an apprentice and I’m nitpicking but you could’ve changed the earth sleeving to proper sleeving instead of tape and obviously green/yellow instead of just green
It was proper sleeving, just solid green. And I’ll give you that one, I’d normally change it tbh because I like the smaller 2mm sleeving, just simply couldn’t be bothered going back to the van again 😀
@@Cablesmith 1963 13th edition went from green - GY (or at least the option was available). 'New colours' blue brown came in 2006 and harmonised 3 core changed to grey black brown in 2004 👍
@@joefrayling9263 1963 ! This house in question was built in the 80’s ! 😀 I’m guessing some builder had plenty of sleeving left from somewhere 😂 But yea I knew the green/yellow came in way before brown and blue did, didn’t know it was so early tho
@@Cablesmith Yeah I knew the colours changed roughly 2004 ish but my boss changes all full green sleeving and puts brown sleeving for switch lives on EICR remedials , probably overkill but I just do it 😆 and yeah can’t blame you for not wanting to go back to van , I keep like 10m of it in the side of my bag so I don’t have to go to van 👍
Not fitted them but heard about them a while back. Screw terminals are fine if the manufacturer doesn't use recycled tin cans for the screws. Surprised you didn't swap out the old green cack sleeving for some swanky new green/yellow. :) MK are trying to worm back into the game with these. DIY? not likely at £6 a pop.
Yea I usually do swap them old scraggy sleeves but didn’t have it on me and couldn’t be bothered going back to the van. Just wanted to get it filmed in one take tbh 😂
@@Cablesmith I was jesting dude. :) Always a bastad when all 3 conductors are cut to different lengths. I mean, wHy? It's just not human........ Genuine question here. Do you prefer to use those little 3.7v screwdriver things?
@@petertallowin6406 no that little screwdriver doesn’t get much use really. It comes in handy when we’re ripping out old stuff and removing a full house worth of old sockets and switches etc or when your working inside a little 350mm kitchen cupboard and can barely get 2 arms in to remove a cover. otherwise no I’d rather use a screwdriver still
yea I’m still umming and ahhing on them, I think they’ve definitely got they’re pros that outweigh screw terminals. such as, no chance of over tightening or coming loose over 20 years (apparently) dread to say it but any limp wristed DIYers (we’ve all seen them) do use these at least it’s got more chance being safe. easily get 3 x 4mm cables in which I’ve struggled with on school jobs in the past myself, but it’s rare to need to. I think 4 earth terminals should be there tho.
Germany and quite a few neighbouring countries have been using push-in sockets for the past 25 years without any incidents. Switches have had those terminals for almost 50 years. The terminals are a different design though, not lever types but push-in with a release button or lever. Some are still rated for stranded wire though, just hold down the release and insert the wire. Few sparks actually want to go back to screw terminals and even fewer special-order sockets with screw terminals, even though most manufacturers still offer them.
@@stevenmassey3369 ah your right it did ! I had to check the video ! Didn’t even notice that when I was there. I’m back there soon doing more work so I’ll add one, at least I get to use more of the spare ways now 😀 this is the reason I love social media! very very well spotted mate.
Talking to a "DIY Dave" recently, he said what is encouraging more people to DIY is how expensive Sparks are these days and with all the good videos on TH-cam showing step by step how to do most Electrical jobs. What do you all think ???
hmm 🤔 expensive all depends who the customer is. I personally wouldn’t be expensive to Wayne Rooney. I know that’s a bit on the extreme side but you get the idea. TH-cam, social media and the internet in general is definitely a big reason. it’s so easy to google how to do anything if you fancy giving it a go. gone are the days you didn’t have full information at your fingertips
I think DIY Dave will have a go whether he watches TH-cam or not William. I also think many videos show the maths and regulatory requirements that make the likes of DIY Dave realise it's not always as simple as "brown goes here, blue goes there". Indeed, only last week I had a client who said he'd done his own alterations in the past, but now he wants to ensure they're done right and are signed off/certified. It can be a fine line, but I think sparks engendering discussion and showing best practice outweighs the argument of those who may blindly copy stuff because they saw it on TH-cam an therefore think they have the requisite skills to match.
That’s a good point Dave, next time someone fancies doing something themselves I’ll send them a link to one of your videos talking all technically, and say watch that you’ll know what to do 😂 scare them right off
David Savery Electrical Services Fair comment Mr Savery, however no matter what the regulations say folk will always have a go, it's in our human nature, I've seen recently a final ring circuit done by a DIY person and it was very well done, even oval conduit in the walls, only thing was missing was due to lack of test equipment he could not test it to ensure its compliance , but as long as it "worked" he was happy. ( He had watched numerous videos on TH-cam)
@@williammartinculleton7523 Personally, I'm a believer that knowledge is something that should be spread and the internet should be the ultimate tool for doing so. Many manufacturers want to obfuscate the ease of servicing or repair for their products, much to the detriment of society and the environment. Without wishing to sound old or drunk, both of which I am, kids today often see technology as a mysterious black box they can neither understand nor maintain. When I were a lad, I performed my own oil changes on my 1979 Talbot Horizon, but these days I'd take my Transit to a garage. I could look on the likes of TH-cam for how to do it myself, and there are probably mechanics on this platform who show such and are criticised for giving out that information, but ultimately, it's up to me to decide what my competencies and capabilities are and also what the consequences would be should I decide to undertake the work myself or hand it over to a professional. There will be some whose misplaced overconfidence in their own abilities is inflated by watching videos, there will be others who have the requisite skills and need little guidance. The likes of TH-cam isn't to say how it shall be done, merely how it has been done in a particular case, and some will take it as gospel while others will take it with a pinch of salt. Such is the nature of... OH FRICK! I'VE JUST SPILLED MY BEER EVERYWHERE...!
Another good video mate. Quick question....What is your Go-Pro mounted on? Chest mount. I'm tired of trying to film my job whilst working with one hand!!! ;o)
While we recognize this is going to make lives easier for electricians it would have been good for MK to have released technical data on whether the connections were as robust as screw types and relative incidence of arcing if not installed properly with conductors not fully inserted or clips not fully engaged. However what’s the overall build quality like of the socket is it the MKs of old?
@@wagodraper4201 fantastic kudos to Wago who always release great technical information on their testing of products. I have not seen an MK technical sheet on this. So how much pull force can these connectors cope with using a calibrated force gauge instrument?
@@mathman0101 I am trying to establish this myself as it will differ from WAGO as they made their own levers as this can effect the pull out force. I will confirm once I get an answer.
@@wagodraper4201 while your doing that you could test resistance of these connections and the implications for thermal buildup both loaded and unloaded.
I’m not sure I don’t think I would without confirmation. Don’t quote me on this but I’m sure I seen somewhere wago said you can on there 221 series if they fit and are size by side
I live in Australia now, I used to be a sparky in Norwich, I like watching the videos by all the sparks to see how work is done and techniques. I'm sure you would all raise both eyebrows if you could see how the standard is here, especially domestic 😃
Like the look of these. Hopefully they become more common. Out of interest, what do you charge for a job like this? An hour's rate? Half an hour? Just curious as I would normally charge my first hour's rate but just wondered if that's taking the mick a bit!
This particular job in question was a full day, this was just one thing on the list to do here. However yes I would charge my first hour, unless it was very, very local to me and then I’ll often reduce it slightly for something this quick.
This is true I didn’t 😂 because I can’t decide! Im the type that doesn’t like change, but when it’s something as good as this I know I should and will like it, just not accepting it just yet😂
@@Cablesmith I would get rid of all screws, not just the terminals. But I guess, it's forbidden to build it without for safety reasons. The sockets in Germany are much more expensive.
As a DIY Dave aka TH-cam qualified electrician😁 can I ask a question the other way round? On a rewire / new install would this type of fitting make it much quicker for final testing and EICR's? I appreciate no matter what connectors are used it will never be as quick as a drive by EICR, but those of you professionals who do things properly might offset the extra cost by reduced install and testing time? Also, on those occasion where you have to work live I would imagine one conductor per clamp would be easier to stay safe-ish?
on a new install these connections would make testing any faster, it would be the same. Definitely much better when working live, not that you ever should, but as a very last resort I’d rather use these yes
I doubt the difference between a screw and a lever will encourage DIYers to have a go. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Time will tell if these sockets will truly be fit for purpose on higher loads. Otherwise, they seem rather handy.
Whoever wired this originally was an idiot. Cable lengths should be such that the last wire to disconnect if it comes loose is the earth. This was just the opposite! One question. Are they still made in UK?
Yep I noticed that too, I was going to trim the line down but thought I best leave them all as long as a can as there’s not much left on either. Made in Malaysia, have been for a good while I believe now
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I think that the best part is that you're only putting one wire per terminal rather than squeezing two or three wires into one terminal & hoping that the screw properly clamps them all together & none pop out.
I agree on that, even top sparkies make mistakes, these are definitely a “safe” option
a bit tight in 25 mm boxes
These came out today already fitted a couple in a nursing home where we couldn't turn off the power (resident bed ridden on oxygen). Absolute game changer for situations when you have to work live, that said because it is so easy and convenient they're definitely going to be a DIY'ers go to socket now.
I actually thought that scenario when I first saw them. But decided not to mention it in the video to avoid debatable comments on that subject. But yea sometimes you have absolutely no choice
I like them myself, no more loose connections over time. Cannot wait to see these on shower & cooker isolators as I think we have all seen a burnt wires on these in the past.
Don’t get me started on shower isolators 😂 but yea your right
I am pretty impressed that MK have started making sockets with wago style connectors on the back as an alternative to screwed connections which don’t always get torqued up equally. Soon they’ll be doing light switches and other accessories with these maintenance free connections but one disadvantage is they are a bit pricey even for experienced DIYers who are able to carry out a simple swap over. Other than that though they look fantastic!
yep I agree they definitely have some pros over screwed connections for sure
I've been waiting for this for years, not sure why it's taken so long. Will be interesting to see if they gain traction in the market and how the price drops.
I went to France a while back and all the Hager stuff was push fit, socket and RCBO’s in the DB were all push fit.
I like your videos, they are very practical and entertaining!
Thank you Jose 👌🏼
Great to see so many comments, only time will tell how good they are, carrying full rated current of the socket outlet.
Thanks for sharing this.
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Picked up a box this morning looking forward to trying them out
👌🏼 enjoy 😀
Hopefully this moves the needle in terms of the whole market, and it becomes more or less standard and then when volumes increase and efficiencies come in we can get the unit cost down a bit!
Great vid mate!
hopefully all the ranges and accessories will end up thus way .... top vid pal
Thanks matey
Always loved MK, always quality.
I have been waiting for these for soooo long…other manufacturers will follow soon…switch fuse spurs would be a godsend but probably to small a footprint
Yep won’t be long before they all start knocking them out.
Great idea, like everyone else says just the industry moving forward, although I think push fit pendants would of been more logical. But like you found in the video it's real life so just wait until its stranded Ali twisted within an inch of its life and we're rocking up with these 😂
hahaha true story ! it’s not always new wiring with plenty of length to make it nice and tidy
Absolute no brainer.
Those old socket back boxes need the extra top and bottom lugs bending out of the way sometimes to stop cables getting trapped...
Yea I noticed them and made sure the cable was behind them.
I did try to bend one back but the back box started to rock with it and I could see it was going to crack the plaster around the socket so left it alone
Was just watching Efixx review these. They look great.
Wow your fast ! I must have uploaded this 10 seconds ago 😀 fastest ever comment 👏🏼
I quite like the socket tbh
@@Cablesmith Literally clicked off Efixx and saw your vid pop up. Didn't realise how soon it was uploaded lol
Whenever I finish one YT sparky vid, there's always another one lined up to watch next which is good.
@@kyester123 ahhh no way 😀 it was within seconds of me making the video live 😂
I’ll be intrigued to see how well these connections hold up on these as the years go by, obviously newer better versions will come about over time but I’ve saw that you can actually pull the cores out of these with a good enough pull unlike the wagos
Yea I’ve seen that too.
but I assume MK have also tested all this very thoroughly.
These look good, just need the ceiling rose and light switches now.
I agree, especially pendants, always hated the little terminal blocks in pendants anyway
Regarding your Bosch driver..best thing I ever did with my 2 was disable the push button on top and just used the push down facility ..I just kept catching the button to often
me too, constantly hear it spinning around in my bag 😂
great little video bud
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Thanks mukka 👌🏼
Mk will make a good product that will be robust and safe, but this will reflect in the cost, but soon other makers will jump on the band wagon ie LAP, etc that’s where the problems will be , as they will be cheaper.
A fair point 👌🏼
I think they're a gamechanger for 4mm radials. More so for taking off a 4mm spur. It's pretty difficult to spur off a 4mm radial on the standard m
Mk logic sockets or any other standard socket for that matter. I look forward to seeing these wago type terminals in DP shower isolaters, fcu's and light switches. I'm wondering if it will be at all possible for this system to be integrated in to CU's. I'm already liking the wago wiring centres.
Yep they definitely have their pros over screws.
i think hager already have a push connector rcbo in Europe. but yea it’s not exactly common, and would be nice if it was here.
@@Cablesmith Hager calls it Quick Connect. They introduced earth and neutral block for the consumer unit, up to 4mm² it's push-in, and screw terminals are for the larger wires up to 25mm². Then they introduced RCBOs and MCBs a few years ago. Even the bus bar is clipped in. Can't remember if this year or last year, they introduced three-phase RCBOs with that. But only up to 3x20A. The single phase RCBOs only up to 16A, that's the usual rating for socket circuits here. And now also AFDDs, but also only up to 20A for the single phase ones. But their AFDD with screws are also only up to 20A. Maybe because in Germany the DNOs usually only permit single phase loads with a maximum rating of 4.6kVA, appliances with a higher demand must be connected three-phase. Few exceptions, like old kitchen cooker circuits where they permit 25 or 32A for that one. Three phase is common even in domestic dwellings.
Light switches were changed over to push-in during the 80s, the sockets during the early 90s. Now only special accessories still have screws, for example wall mounted pull switches or newly manufactured Bakelite switches. And the cheap stuff that you should better not install...
www.hager.de/verteilersysteme/kleinverteiler/pe-n-klemmen-quickconnect/975710.htm
The thing is, they are rated for 63A only. The houses here are usually fused with 3x63A (old ones with 3x35A).
I got one of these today to fit in a kitchen that the clown that wired it up previously never left enough wire to or space to get a stubby driver in to terminate. Hoping this would do the job, but not happy with the lack of tension on the lever terminations, MK need to improve them before marketing any more of these products
That’s a great application for it tho, a situation we’ve all come across in the past 👌🏼
I thought it was really quick and easy
my mum had a leaking tap and she could not get a plumber, they did not seem keen on such a small job. so i had to do it, but push fit pipes are easy, so simple job to fit new tap. so is electrics going the same way with wagos and push fit sockets. no offense but where i live plumbers and electricians seem to do shoddy work, and it a total gamble who will,turn up at your door, they want to do the job a quick as possible and dont give a sht if its a good job or not.
Good video pal, I think this is the natural progression of things. Same as terminal block to Wago. I think it’s a good thing for our industry as I reckon fault finding will be a lot easier. Do you imagine they’ll do the same with ceiling roses or even consumer units eventually, stops cross treading or screws breaking in neutral / earth bars in boards.
I think they will, don’t quote me on this but I’m sure some European country already has hager MCBs with push fit connections?
at least this way people can’t twist earths together so yea fault finding should be easier !
@@Cablesmith I think most European countries get the Hager QuickConnect neutral and earth bars and MCBs these days.
Don't underestimate the creativity of fools though. I've seen people cram doubled-over solid 1.5 into push-in terminals, with the predictable result of heat damage. Some old-timey electricians ran a continuous length of singles from socket to socket without cutting the conductors at each socket, just stripping 20 mm and doubling it over. Time-consuming but provides excellent continuity of course. You just shouldn't try to push those two conductors into a terminal only designed for one, even less so if it's a socket of ill reputation anyway.
Normal double socket outlets have 2 CPC Terminals ( where you could fit in 4+ CPCs) These have 3, where would you connect the fly lead for the back box, if you have two CPCs for the RFC & 1 for a spur ?
Yea I’ve noticed they never accounted for that scenario
Only an apprentice and I’m nitpicking but you could’ve changed the earth sleeving to proper sleeving instead of tape and obviously green/yellow instead of just green
It was proper sleeving, just solid green.
And I’ll give you that one, I’d normally change it tbh because I like the smaller 2mm sleeving, just simply couldn’t be bothered going back to the van again 😀
I should point out the old colours, sleeving was once just solid green before it changed to green/yellow.
not sure exactly which year it changed tho.
@@Cablesmith 1963 13th edition went from green - GY (or at least the option was available).
'New colours' blue brown came in 2006 and harmonised 3 core changed to grey black brown in 2004 👍
@@joefrayling9263 1963 !
This house in question was built in the 80’s ! 😀 I’m guessing some builder had plenty of sleeving left from somewhere 😂
But yea I knew the green/yellow came in way before brown and blue did, didn’t know it was so early tho
@@Cablesmith Yeah I knew the colours changed roughly 2004 ish but my boss changes all full green sleeving and puts brown sleeving for switch lives on EICR remedials , probably overkill but I just do it 😆 and yeah can’t blame you for not wanting to go back to van , I keep like 10m of it in the side of my bag so I don’t have to go to van 👍
Not fitted them but heard about them a while back. Screw terminals are fine if the manufacturer doesn't use recycled tin cans for the screws. Surprised you didn't swap out the old green cack sleeving for some swanky new green/yellow. :) MK are trying to worm back into the game with these. DIY? not likely at £6 a pop.
Yea I usually do swap them old scraggy sleeves but didn’t have it on me and couldn’t be bothered going back to the van. Just wanted to get it filmed in one take tbh 😂
@@Cablesmith I was jesting dude. :) Always a bastad when all 3 conductors are cut to different lengths. I mean, wHy? It's just not human........ Genuine question here. Do you prefer to use those little 3.7v screwdriver things?
@@petertallowin6406 no that little screwdriver doesn’t get much use really.
It comes in handy when we’re ripping out old stuff and removing a full house worth of old sockets and switches etc or when your working inside a little 350mm kitchen cupboard and can barely get 2 arms in to remove a cover.
otherwise no I’d rather use a screwdriver still
@@Cablesmith yeah boi. Time is money my man. :)
Gotta say, I raised an eyebrow, but they do look the business.
yea I’m still umming and ahhing on them,
I think they’ve definitely got they’re pros that outweigh screw terminals.
such as, no chance of over tightening or coming loose over 20 years (apparently)
dread to say it but any limp wristed DIYers (we’ve all seen them) do use these at least it’s got more chance being safe.
easily get 3 x 4mm cables in which I’ve struggled with on school jobs in the past myself, but it’s rare to need to.
I think 4 earth terminals should be there tho.
Germany and quite a few neighbouring countries have been using push-in sockets for the past 25 years without any incidents. Switches have had those terminals for almost 50 years. The terminals are a different design though, not lever types but push-in with a release button or lever. Some are still rated for stranded wire though, just hold down the release and insert the wire. Few sparks actually want to go back to screw terminals and even fewer special-order sockets with screw terminals, even though most manufacturers still offer them.
Could of earthed the back box while the socket was off
it’s earthed with the socket screwed back.
Not up to regs with 2 adjustable lugs only if one is fixed,, that back box had 2 adjustable lugs
@@stevenmassey3369 ah your right it did ! I had to check the video ! Didn’t even notice that when I was there.
I’m back there soon doing more work so I’ll add one, at least I get to use more of the spare ways now 😀
this is the reason I love social media! very very well spotted mate.
Class, wonder if they will ever make them for switches aswell
time will tell 👏🏼 would like to try them
Don't these sockets require a CPC fly lead to the back box? I've used them, I kinda like them.
@@cag9284 this one required it, because the back box didn’t have any fixed lugs.
tbh, this was the first and last time I used these sockets
Talking to a "DIY Dave" recently, he said what is encouraging more people to DIY is how expensive Sparks are these days and with all the good videos on TH-cam showing step by step how to do most Electrical jobs. What do you all think ???
hmm 🤔 expensive all depends who the customer is. I personally wouldn’t be expensive to Wayne Rooney.
I know that’s a bit on the extreme side but you get the idea.
TH-cam, social media and the internet in general is definitely a big reason. it’s so easy to google how to do anything if you fancy giving it a go.
gone are the days you didn’t have full information at your fingertips
I think DIY Dave will have a go whether he watches TH-cam or not William. I also think many videos show the maths and regulatory requirements that make the likes of DIY Dave realise it's not always as simple as "brown goes here, blue goes there". Indeed, only last week I had a client who said he'd done his own alterations in the past, but now he wants to ensure they're done right and are signed off/certified. It can be a fine line, but I think sparks engendering discussion and showing best practice outweighs the argument of those who may blindly copy stuff because they saw it on TH-cam an therefore think they have the requisite skills to match.
That’s a good point Dave, next time someone fancies doing something themselves I’ll send them a link to one of your videos talking all technically, and say watch that you’ll know what to do 😂 scare them right off
David Savery Electrical Services Fair comment Mr Savery, however no matter what the regulations say folk will always have a go, it's in our human nature, I've seen recently a final ring circuit done by a DIY person and it was very well done, even oval conduit in the walls, only thing was missing was due to lack of test equipment he could not test it to ensure its compliance , but as long as it "worked" he was happy. ( He had watched numerous videos on TH-cam)
@@williammartinculleton7523 Personally, I'm a believer that knowledge is something that should be spread and the internet should be the ultimate tool for doing so. Many manufacturers want to obfuscate the ease of servicing or repair for their products, much to the detriment of society and the environment. Without wishing to sound old or drunk, both of which I am, kids today often see technology as a mysterious black box they can neither understand nor maintain. When I were a lad, I performed my own oil changes on my 1979 Talbot Horizon, but these days I'd take my Transit to a garage. I could look on the likes of TH-cam for how to do it myself, and there are probably mechanics on this platform who show such and are criticised for giving out that information, but ultimately, it's up to me to decide what my competencies and capabilities are and also what the consequences would be should I decide to undertake the work myself or hand it over to a professional. There will be some whose misplaced overconfidence in their own abilities is inflated by watching videos, there will be others who have the requisite skills and need little guidance. The likes of TH-cam isn't to say how it shall be done, merely how it has been done in a particular case, and some will take it as gospel while others will take it with a pinch of salt. Such is the nature of... OH FRICK! I'VE JUST SPILLED MY BEER EVERYWHERE...!
Game changer!
definitely have their place
Another good video mate. Quick question....What is your Go-Pro mounted on? Chest mount. I'm tired of trying to film my job whilst working with one hand!!! ;o)
This one was the mouth holder 😂 think it’s called a go pro bite mount.
I tried the head one and it was always too high
@@Cablesmith Mouth holder🤣🤣🤣 WTF!!!
@@krtelectricalservices it’s a lot easier to use tbh 😂
While we recognize this is going to make lives easier for electricians it would have been good for MK to have released technical data on whether the connections were as robust as screw types and relative incidence of arcing if not installed properly with conductors not fully inserted or clips not fully engaged. However what’s the overall build quality like of the socket is it the MKs of old?
@@wagodraper4201 fantastic kudos to Wago who always release great technical information on their testing of products. I have not seen an MK technical sheet on this. So how much pull force can these connectors cope with using a calibrated force gauge instrument?
@@mathman0101 I am trying to establish this myself as it will differ from WAGO as they made their own levers as this can effect the pull out force. I will confirm once I get an answer.
@@wagodraper4201 while your doing that you could test resistance of these connections and the implications for thermal buildup both loaded and unloaded.
All good ridiculous price never liked cheap screw terminals prefer a cage clamp type myself
So this is only progress in my eyes 👀
Watch this space ….
Can you put 2 cpc’s in one earth terminal? Eg a ring main with a spur and if there and a metal box.
I’m not sure I don’t think I would without confirmation. Don’t quote me on this but I’m sure I seen somewhere wago said you can on there 221 series if they fit and are size by side
It needs a 4th earth terminal
I live in Australia now, I used to be a sparky in Norwich, I like watching the videos by all the sparks to see how work is done and techniques. I'm sure you would all raise both eyebrows if you could see how the standard is here, especially domestic 😃
Like the look of these. Hopefully they become more common.
Out of interest, what do you charge for a job like this? An hour's rate? Half an hour? Just curious as I would normally charge my first hour's rate but just wondered if that's taking the mick a bit!
This particular job in question was a full day, this was just one thing on the list to do here.
However yes I would charge my first hour, unless it was very, very local to me and then I’ll often reduce it slightly for something this quick.
Lol, you didn't tell us what YOU think! I think you are sold on them
This is true I didn’t 😂 because I can’t decide!
Im the type that doesn’t like change, but when it’s something as good as this I know I should and will like it, just not accepting it just yet😂
You still need screws.
nobody said otherwise 😀
@@Cablesmith I would get rid of all screws, not just the terminals.
But I guess, it's forbidden to build it without for safety reasons.
The sockets in Germany are much more expensive.
@@CyberlightFG interesting, how are they fixed back in Germany ?
As a DIY Dave aka TH-cam qualified electrician😁 can I ask a question the other way round? On a rewire / new install would this type of fitting make it much quicker for final testing and EICR's? I appreciate no matter what connectors are used it will never be as quick as a drive by EICR, but those of you professionals who do things properly might offset the extra cost by reduced install and testing time? Also, on those occasion where you have to work live I would imagine one conductor per clamp would be easier to stay safe-ish?
on a new install these connections would make testing any faster, it would be the same.
Definitely much better when working live, not that you ever should, but as a very last resort I’d rather use these yes
sweet as a nut
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I doubt the difference between a screw and a lever will encourage DIYers to have a go. Fools rush in where angels fear to tread. Time will tell if these sockets will truly be fit for purpose on higher loads. Otherwise, they seem rather handy.
yea they’re handy but I’m not sure on them yet. Time will tell. I’m sure there will be a time when we can’t get anything else
@@Cablesmith You may well be right. However, I've never really been one to insist on being first in line myself.
Whoever wired this originally was an idiot. Cable lengths should be such that the last wire to disconnect if it comes loose is the earth. This was just the opposite!
One question. Are they still made in UK?
Yep I noticed that too, I was going to trim the line down but thought I best leave them all as long as a can as there’s not much left on either.
Made in Malaysia, have been for a good while I believe now