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I was reading the Iron Druid Chronicles, and at the end of Hounded, or maybe the beginning of Hexed, Kevin Hearne wrote about consulting a Professor of Rhetoric to get the dialogue right for one of his characters, an old Irish widow with a few peculiar turns of phrase and a distinct manner of speech. My understanding of rhetoric is that it typically pertains to literary devices, framing tools and tactics that can be honest or dishonest, or just useful (e.g. pertaining to the rhythm or cadence or the ease with which words can be remembered, etc.) But where could I learn about the kind of rhetoric that would improve my ear for dialogue? Where would I learn about profanities of the ancient world, or syntaxes and turns of phrase common to people who, say, spoke a particular dialect of Farsi as their first language and then immigrated to New York?
You're missing kairos and telos ... The persuasive appeal within the argument needs to be given at the right time which requires audience analysis and proper context creation (kairos) while also remaining cognizant of it's purpose (telos) within the argument as a whole. Just focusing on logos, ethos, and pathos is not sufficient for persuasion, in fact, logos, ethos, and pathos are the less important parts about a persuasive appeal (they are merely discriptive not substantive).
@@EricRobb there is also the boring bored student, the bored boring student, the dull bored student, the tedious bored student, the bored tedious student, the dreary bored student, the boring dull dreary bored tedious student etc
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This video has persuaded me look deeper into 'rhetoric as tool' for my writings. Thanks to the team for making this series.
Thanks! I actually understood all of 8 minutes and 49 seconds. Time to go write this paper :)
Watching this a 2 am I’ve been thinking about this all day. Thanks for answering that for me 👍
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this video helped out a lot thanks!
excellent work, Crash Course, once again :)
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agree
Really helpful!! Thank you very much.
Another video we’re using in school
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Rhetoric needs tools like language, information, experience
Except empty rhetoric means the persuasion itself is empty. By definition, the use of 'Empty Rhetoric' is correct.
I was reading the Iron Druid Chronicles, and at the end of Hounded, or maybe the beginning of Hexed, Kevin Hearne wrote about consulting a Professor of Rhetoric to get the dialogue right for one of his characters, an old Irish widow with a few peculiar turns of phrase and a distinct manner of speech.
My understanding of rhetoric is that it typically pertains to literary devices, framing tools and tactics that can be honest or dishonest, or just useful (e.g. pertaining to the rhythm or cadence or the ease with which words can be remembered, etc.) But where could I learn about the kind of rhetoric that would improve my ear for dialogue? Where would I learn about profanities of the ancient world, or syntaxes and turns of phrase common to people who, say, spoke a particular dialect of Farsi as their first language and then immigrated to New York?
Beautiful
So basicly manipulation
yes, very much. Pretty sure Jeffery Dahmer knew a lot about this too.
Manipulation 101!
You're missing kairos and telos ... The persuasive appeal within the argument needs to be given at the right time which requires audience analysis and proper context creation (kairos) while also remaining cognizant of it's purpose (telos) within the argument as a whole.
Just focusing on logos, ethos, and pathos is not sufficient for persuasion, in fact, logos, ethos, and pathos are the less important parts about a persuasive appeal (they are merely discriptive not substantive).
anybody else here a bored student? :/
I didn't realize there was such a thing as a bored student. :)
Same just watching dis for points
@@chickenlife4215 ex-convict, murderer, but not a boring bored cliché student.
@@EricRobb there is also the boring bored student, the bored boring student, the dull bored student, the tedious bored student, the bored tedious student, the dreary bored student, the boring dull dreary bored tedious student etc
How to lie exceptionally lol
*Rhetoric is sophistry*
how dare you
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7:22 i wouldve voted for them LMAO
U of A better
Why her name got to be keyshia????? RACISTS
i want whatever youre smoking
She speaks to fast
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