I Flew on Porter's Embraer E2... from Western Canada!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- Porter has made quite a name for themselves since launching in 2006, with their unique Dash 8 operation from Toronto’s Billy Bishop Airport, and their elevated level of onboard service.
Up until a few months ago though, they’d been exclusively an Eastern Canadian sight. With their new Embraer E2s though, they've finally expanded to Western Canada, and I gave them a try on a longer itinerary from Calgary to Toronto to Halifax!
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FLIGHT INFORMATION
Airline: Porter Airlines (POE/PD)
Aircraft: Embraer E195-E2 (E295)
Flight Number: PD352/PD207
Seat: 4D/1A
Livery: Standard
Engines: 2x Pratt & Whitney PW1900G Series
Registration: C-GKQS / C-GKQJ
Route: Calgary (YYC) - Toronto (YYZ) - Halifax (YHZ)
Callsign: PORTER 352 / 207
Runway used: 35R (YYC) - 05 (YYZ) / 06L (YYZ) - 32 (YHZ)
Date filmed: June 2023
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My dad Flies for WestJet but is going to be hired by porter and he’s beyond happy, and is getting qualifications for the E2 right now.
Congratulations to your Father, he's going to love flying for porter.
How's it going for your father? Did he get the qualifications?
Blue skies for you father and Porter! 👍 🛫
Update, he’s been qualified for 1 month and he LOVES it! Happy porter pilot!
@@Binglederry6969NICE
I honestly love Porter airlines so much, it’s so underrated. And it’s sad that not a lot airlines are getting the E195-E2’s
Love Embraers. Did 4.5 hours on a JetBlue e190 from Boston to Houston and honestly it was more comfortable than flying a 737 and about on par with a 319/20/21. Hope the E2 gets more market share moving forward
❤ from Brazil
Flying in an embraer plane is a wonderful experience, comfort, silence and 2x2 seats... today I choose my flights by aircraft and the E2 is the best. Porter is to be congratulated.
Piegas pra caralho
Porter might be my new preferred domestic airline with the product they offer for such a reasonable price!
I flew a round trip with porter from Vancouver to Toronto, they honestly offered amazing service, but i felt like E195 is not really a good aircraft to fly this long distance because of its narrow legroom
@@timkaheichan9170try a regional A320 with no reclining seats and no legroom in Europe and change your mind.
Agreed, took my first Porter flights a few weeks ago and they far surpass Air Canada and Westjet and any of the budget airlines in terms of service, flight prices and their cabins are very clean, both on the Q400 and E2. They had to cancel a flight because of an electrical problem, but they rebooked us easily, and when my bag was stranded behind by the baggage crew accidently, they did everything to get it to me and delivered quickly.
@@tube.brasil This same channel has a review of the new WestJet's 737 Max interiors, and the E2 has lots more space and comfort, for example, it's way more smooth and silent.
@@tube.brasilAnd the A320 even has the middle seat!
On May 27, I flew on a Helvetic Airways Embraer E190-E2 from Florence (FLR) to Zurich (ZRH). It was a very enjoyable experience!
I flew Porter for the first time recently from Vancouver to Toronto (return). Thumbs up. I love the 2x2 seating format. The E195E2 has a very modern and comfortable cabin and is very quiet. Furthermore, who could complain about the free WI-FI! Wish them success, I think they got a winning product. I had an opportunity and was looking forward to the experience of flying on an Air Canada A220 a few months ago, but about a month or so before the flight, they switched my flight to a 737-Max8; otherwise I would have been able to compare these two jets that are competing in a similar niche.
Porter is such an under-rated airline. Ultimately I think this venture into Pearson as a new hub is going to be a bit of a fail. I flew Toronto to Ottawa on the E2 and only 11 seats were filled, it felt like a private plane especially with Porter’s fantastic complimentary selection and in flight wifi. No idea why a q400 wasn’t used but was much appreciated regardless
They use a lot less Q400's for Pearson flights and prioritize them more for the YTZ flights. As for the less passengers on the E2, make sure you're signed up for Porter's loyalty program because on flights like that it can bump you up to a PorterReserve seat for no additional cost! I was randomly bumped to the first row because of that on a Toronto-Halifax flight.
Flew in the E2 from Vancouver to Toronto this week, really impressed with these aircraft. The Pratt and Whittney engines were absolutely smooth as silk on take off and crazy quiet. Hope Porter's venture into longer haul service pays off. Also, hats off to their wifi, it was flawless and I had zero issues with it.
Videos don't convey just how quiet this aircraft is on take-off! It's uncanny! Absolutely love the E2 and looking to use the voucher sometime this summer!
Flew Porter Reserve Edmonton to Toronto and return the first week of September. Excellent service. Really good passenger load in Porter basic both ways. I'm sold. Sorry Air Canada and WestJet.
That E2 Static Takeoff engine sound is BEAUTIFUL! Its MUSIC to my ears!
Top dimais esses motores do 195 é 2 ❤❤❤
I loved my experience on an Embraer, I would love to try one again!
Actually the E2 in some physical respects is larger than an A320. So if it is classified as a regional jet it's among the largest out there.
Amazing video! I hope to fly them again sometime soon. Perhaps, when they launch US/Caribbean routes on the E195-E2.
Loved how comfortable and quiet these aircraft are, especially on longer flights like the YYZ-YVR inaugural back in Feb 2023.
Love the E-190 and looking forward to flying on an E2.
Great video! Even as a non-Canadian, I find your trip reports super fun and informative! It makes me wish some US airline would buy some E2s, as they’re one of my absolute favorite planes.
I believe there was a US airline that ordered the E2, don't remember which one tho
@@swisscake1591didn’t Envoy (AA) ordered like 100s of 175s for 2024?
@@LuizHartkopfBut it must be the E1 model, which is the model that is being sold the most in the USA, because of the scope clause.
@@Marcos5pb but I thought the ordered the E2-175 because they were in the process of changing the scope clause to accommodate for the 175 lol I could be mistaken tho
@@swisscake1591 US airlines can't buy the E2 until the scope clause gets lifted. That's partly why Embraer E2's are struggling to sell. It was made with the US market in mind but didn't take into account scope clauses.
Porter does have the most superior service by far compared to other Canadian airlines
Agreed. WestJet used to be known for that and the friendliest cabin crew but they seem to go a little less enthusiastic with that as they used to. Bur Porter always impresses.
Another stunning video (as always) Alex! It's great to see the E2 finally getting itself a place in North America with Porter, I think the type will work well for them since it's not a really big jet with 150+ seats to fill up on routes with stronger airlines competing like this one, but it's still a bigger-sized aircraft than the Q400 with a respectable range to give them some flexibility. Greetings from South America!
Yeah, Porter uses both the E2 and Q400 to the best of their potentials and its working really well. Glad that it pushes Air Canada and WestJet to try to improve their regional plane cabin and service too.
I Hope that more airlines start flying the E2!
Me too!
Porters easily the best Canadian airline, no one else cares about customer experience to the level they do
Eva air
Porter can never stop having in-flight magazines, the name is just too good 👌
This is one of the projects I work on at Porter! We wont anytime soon :)
04:10 whale sound from E2.
I'll be flying round trip from YYZ-YYC in August on Porter's E-195 E2s. Can't wait to try (and hopefully film) both flights.
Proud to see these babies manufactured one hour from my place flying in the beautiful skies of Canada.
Nothing beats the 2x2 configuration with no middle seats in small jets.
Go Porter!
Both Brazil and Canada make some fantastic regional planes! E-Jets, the Q-series, the more polarizing CRJ/ERJ models (they're smaller though, people set their expectations too high, the Bombardier C-series (now Airbus A220) and the E2!
Great video as usual Alex, the E2 along with Porter both appear to be winners and setting the barriers higher, I think the other Airlines will have to raise theirs or suffer the consequencies.
Impressed by the good food and service - very nice E2 jet as well
Flew Porter for the first time last month from Fredericton to Ottawa, had an amazing experience. Can’t wait to try the E2
Porter is awesome, the colours and the plane itself are amazing and the flight was comfortable. Ran into some delays but I can't complain all the flights were delayed. Watching the mechanics working on it was worth it, better to fly safe and I'll take a delay no problem.
Glad you enjoyed your Porter Experience! I work for Porter and I think our new jets our beautiful. Also at the time of this post we did in fact receive our 11th jet just a few days ago!
Just flew to calgary on the 737 Max -8 and flew Back on the 787-9 and it was really expensive had I known porter was flying there I would have took them and they have free wifi .. seems like a good deal to me
That wing view upon takeoff reminded me so much of a 777, this plane has such clean lines it's incredible. Its a shame this plane isn't selling like hotcakes at the moment!
If these new E2's are that quiet, I hope Porter can get authorization to fly them out the Billy Bishop airport with an extended runway to boot ?
I love these trip reports/airline reviews. Thank-you, Alex, for yet another awesome video.
I left Calgary ~18 months ago, but I am happy to see some inceased competition for airlines. If there is an alternative to Air Canada, I will support it on general principles.
Your comment on Porter's lack of pax is definitely on point. I've taken them 3 times now between YEG and YYZ, the busiest I've seen has been approximately 60% capacity.
Which is more than bamboozling to me since the on-board product is miles above even the legacy carriers while the price is comparable to Lynx and Flair. It might just be marketing.
Plus the free Wi-Fi is amazing. I was able to watch a few full Stanley Cup playoff games using Shaw BlueCurve on board, which was really cool.
It’s the air miles. I’m as guilty as anyone, using Air Canada for miles and status.
I hope Toronto builds a Kansai type runway at the City Airport so jets can land there. Imagine bypassing Pearson…..what a dream!
This was Porter's original plan to extend the Toronto Island airport runway. It was rejected by the federal transport minister. So not going to happen. Porter has firmly decided to move to unreliable Pearson with delays etc and loses an advantage they had by being at the small airport with small planes. I know they pretend they will keep a presence there, but they will need to feed their lonhg hauls from Pearson so all cities will start to see flights to Pearson instead of Toronto Island. The writing is on the wall.
As happened with City Express, as soon as Porter leaves Toronto Island, so will Air Canada. Except this time, they will leave behind a rather expensive piece of infrastructure compared to the original terminal that was as big as a suburban home 🙂
The government will eventually allow the extension of the run way at Billy Bishop
love these planes!
Máquina dimais esses Embraer 196e2
We don't actually have many things to be proud about here in brazil, but Embraer sure is one of them :) as a brazilian i love to hear when people enjoy flying on those planes ❤
One of the bad things here is the politics. Former president Bolsonaro allowed the sale of Embraer. Luckily Boeing gave up during the Covid 19 crisis.
Larga esse complexo de vira lata, o Brasil tem muita coisa boa.
E verdade aqui no só a Embraer porque os políticos são só decepção paramos brasileiros só corruptos descarados leva o dinheiro público e ainda deboxa 😢😢😢😢
I was a huge westjet fans, especially when I lived in Calgary, but their service, especially in eastern Canada has gone waaaayyy downhill. If Porter can get a foothold out west they could do some real damage to WJ.
I love the E2. They look great with those big engines 😂
Eu também acho 😂😂😂❤❤❤
The way porter operates is refreshing compared to most air lines I have experienced. I have realized when they can, they do offer free upgrades as well as I have been given 2 new boarding passes at boarding for porter reserve. They are my airline for Canada 100%
All I can say is that I'm impressed with Porter. My next flight from YVR to New York will definitely be with Porter.
There is a problem with it on the Toronto side you will need to take a bus between Lester Pearson Airport and Billy Bishop airport. For the flight to Newark departs from. If you want to do it directly Air Canada🇨🇦
@@EpicThe112 I would suggest UP Express train, it gets you downtown to Union Station from Pearson in 30 minutes and its a short walk to the ferry or tunnel to Billy Bishop.
Trying them on a round trip YYC-YYZ next week. Can’t wait. Used to work for Porter over a decade ago on the island.
What Canada desperately needs is more long haul competition, Air Canada practically has a monopoly
I think the problem is not only for international, but domestic as well is how centralized most of your population is. Compared to your Southern neighbors, hi from the states, most Canadians live in a few cities and only several of those have enough demand to support daily international flights, Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal. All those cities combined fit into the NYC or LA metro areas, not even mentioning other major hubs like Miami, Boston, Detroit, Denver, Seattle, Dallas, Honolulu, etc.... There just simply isn't the traffic to sustain two long haul airlines in Canada, especially when here in the States we only have 3. Not to mention the average Canadian is also "less wealthy" than the average American.
Porters E2 looks amazing. I hope Breeze gets some someday
Breeze has ordered all A220 for their future, their old Embraer aircraft will be sold off
I'm about to do the YYZ-YVR route next month. I've already flown it YYZ-YHZ a few times and really like the plane.
Loved the video Alex. I've always wanted to go on Porters E195-E2 😅
As a Winnipeger, I'm excited that they are coming to Ywg, can't wait to fly with them!
Me 2
@@talinsaviation me3
booked a porter flight next Saturday
Pratt and Whitney seem to have a thing for whale tones on their engines-their GTF and their PW4000s all have this whale tone on spool up, to me one of the best sounds in aviation.
I would Love The fly on Porter Airlines Embraer E195-E2's whenever there ready for The Caribbean flights Awesome Video Alex nuff respect to all your Videos on Aviation and Travel keep going and Dream Big on Aviation 100%
Can't fly to the Caribbean, don't have the range
@@richardbanks6025i think embraer is planning on making an ER, dont count on me tho lol.
When doing your seat review, you should also try to mention seat width and whether the arm rests are movable (which you did here) as I am a big guy and like to know this. Seat Guru has some but not all info. All airline reviewers talk about pitch which nobody really understands anyways and the leg room is important too. Thanks
Indeed Porter should be a big enhancement to Canadian travel as AC seemingly withdraws from more and more markets as proved the case the summer of '22 when they totally shelved the Maritimes and it was impossible to obtain seats on the few flights they offered at prices they charge to the far corners of the earth. Flair and some of the others don't sound too dependable. No wonder AC is shunned outside of the major hubs of YYZ, YUL, YYC, YVC. Can Porter find the crews to fly the planes?
I flew Porter from West to East recently, and as someone on the taller side of things (182cm or 6 feet 1 inch), the regular economy seats don't provide much legroom. Will definitely sit in reserve, though! I was lucky on the day I flew that the reserve seats had a few empty rows so I sat up front for a while.
Im curious if Porter will expand to Regina (YQR)
Porter is without a doubt the best airline in Canada and I always enjoyed flying them on their Q400s! I hope to fly one of their E2s soon because the experience looks amazing! I’m glad they’re doing well against our small duopolistic industry!
I have been hearing from colleagues that the Embraer seats are uncomfortable to sleep in. They love everything else .
I’ll be going to Ottawa with my mom this late August from Vancouver, and I settled on this airline after realizing what they offer, and that they plan to do direct flights between both cities starting this summer. But seeing this video only further solidified that I couldn’t have picked a better airline for what is a great deal doing a round trip.
Alex, if you get the chance, can you do a trip report of Porter’s inaugural flight from Vancouver to Ottawa?
Great video, they recently announced flights from here in Newfoundland to Toronto, looking forward to these new Embraers.
Made in Brazil.
I heard that direct flights toronto to Victoria are starting with Porter, I'd love to see that flight although it would be similar to this just a bit longer
Good luck to Porter but AC is sadly a dominant force . Great video .
Porter did a great move, jet engines are way quieter. Also i think they want to change the company image, not just flight for business people but also for everyone
Glad you enjoyed it! The flight loads have definitely been a bit topsy turvy, but there has been steady improvement this spring/summer. The loads between YYZ and YUL/YOW are generally pretty light as far as I can tell. I thought it was because we were kind of cannibalizing our own flights (already have fairly high frequency to both airports from YTZ) but apparently they are serving a purpose, the shorter turns get line indoc sectors done quicker for new pilots (I remember Air Canada initially deploying their first few 787s on Ottawa/Montreal/Halifax turns out of Pearson in 2014 for this purpose), plus we are picking up Transat interline passengers and a few others things. Apparently we picked up a number of YYZ slots that WestJet recently vacated, which had significantly better arrival/departure times compared to the original slots- so that, along with the busy summer travel season, has helped fill up the western flights a decent amount. I've jumpseated on the E2 several times, and the last 2 or 3 times I had to take the redeye flight coming back from YVR since the other flights were all full. I agree there should definitely be more emphasis on advertising/awareness out west since Porter is still building a presence in Western Canada.
My head is still stuck to the ceiling in the E2 washrooms as well, but I'll take the touchless flush, soap and hot water any day over the "outhouse" I'm accustomed to using on the Q! 😁
Yes, that's correct, but now codeshare with Transat, the loads for YUL quite full
The chicken salad croissant was totally disgusting and not edible. I challenge Robert Deluce to try and eat one....
Porter announced they will be starting service from Winnipeg to Toronto September 2023, so happy about this!
I think Porter should've bucked the prototype, low cost, and industry trend and offered 34" of seat pitch for "Poter Classic" and installed 8 to 12 of Embraer's staggered First class seats with 38" of the pitch for "Porter Reserve." Also, providing "Porter Reserve" customers with enhanced dining options and portions served on china dinnerware, retaining the current dining options with the innovative box ware for "Classic" patrons. That would have knocked it out of the park. Currently, Porter is good but could be more remarkable. I felt Porter was more innovative Pre-COVID.
Alex hi from YYC. Thanks for the closer look at Porter. I certainly have know doubt they will make a go of it in the western market. I suspect in the long run they will position themselves in nicely beside Westjet. It will just take some time and marketing as this is a Westjet city for obvious reasons. The new Embraer's look fantastic inside and out. Thanks see you next time.
7:21 actually, Northstar airlines surprisingly offers the same thing lol
very cool video! The engine with the wing view almost looks as if your flying on a mini 787 Dreamliner 😅
Southwest has lids for their coffee too. Always thought it was a great idea
You do good work Alex. Thank you. It frustrates me no end to be an old boy that likes to travel and lives in London Ontario. I get to watch you on pampered service on direct routes from Calgary to wherever you want to go. That is not how most of Canada works. A city of a half-million people can't get anyone to fly from here to the east coast. (Direct) Hamilton can, Edmonton can, Kitchener can. Sure, we can go Westjet to Edmonton. Who cares? If it isn't Calgary, Abbotsford, Edmonton, Toronto or "Majors", the rest of us are screwed. Good for you based out of Calgary that gets every flight available. Ayup. I am pissed. To go anywhere useful from our large City I have to go to either Toronto, Kitchener, Hamilton, or Detroit first. It has been like this my whole life. Once upon a time London had every major and minor airline going. Now...NOT. Pardon my vent. You'd think a City of 1/2 million would have a decent plane service. NOPE. We are served mostly by those old DASH 300's that ferry us to Toronto for'REAL' flights. UGH. (OLD. They shoud be retired ASAP. Dirty, tiny, tight and they suck.) Thanks AirCan 'Jazz'.
Canada needs to invest more in it's rail infrastructure. In Europe and Asia, people who live outside the "major" cities can simply jump on a train that takes them directly to the airport. The state of VIA rail is a joke.
Just flew AC to florida from Toronto, I received a good fare for business class. Our flights were operated by Air Canada Rouge it was a terrible experience our flight outbound was to depart at 4:25 pm delayed due to maintenance change of aircraft until 6:10 pm. Replacement aircraft came in late and also had maintenance issue. Final departure 7:30pm. Service aboard was minimal they had a catering issue business class had not enough food! I am soooo glad there is another Airline choice now offering better service new aircraft thank you Porter I can not wait to fly with you!😊
It's true, Porter needs more brand recognition but when they do get more planes hope they start more flights outside the country, we need more options to the US/Caribbean from a Canadian airline (direct flights)
I plane spotted the similar Vancouver to Toronto flight a few days ago and I was excited when I saw it since it’s Porter’s first time in western Canada. The embraer caught me off guard… since I thought they figured out a way to use a Dash-8 to get to Toronto haha. I didn’t know they expanded to Calgary as well
I cannot imagine flying in a Dash-8 between Vancouver and Toronto! The relatively short Toronto to New Brunswick flights are unpleasant enough.
@@williamharris8367 omg right? I'd absolutely love it if Porter replaced or added to their YQM-YTZ route with an E2 direct YQM to YYZ. With WestJet no longer flying that route and Swoop's soon to be demise, and the cancellation of the Air Canada A220 service there, Porter could definitely steal some customers from Rouge!
6:18 United has their own magazine that they regularly update (Hemispheres) and I love that.
How do they handle west coast connections to flights out of YTZ? Do you have to self connect or do they just not offer them at all.
They don't offer it at all, you can't book anything from YEG/YVR/YYC to the likes of YTS/YAM/YSB etc. Could do it on two tickets with enough time in between though
@@AlexPraglowskiAviation ah I see. Just tried in the website. Seems so weird to have a network but have a great schism across it. Someone looking at the destination map won’t understand why they can’t select YFC-YYC when they try to book it.
Many US airlines will let you book itineraries with airport switches like EWR-JFK which are way more painful than YTZ-YYZ.
They should fly into New York LGA
Hey Alex, Loved the video! Truly wanted to know what it was like flying Porter and now I can see that I might change my loyalty.
If I may, I think me and other viewers might enjoy seeing more of your face, especially in the bathroom tour. At least it matches the sound to a face 😂 as you come across as someone very cheerful and I think that might add a bit more of a touch.
Anyways, always looking for your next video. Keep up the great work! 👍💯
PLEASE COME TO WINNIPEG!!!!!
Hopefully they will eventually get more planes and maybe start Toronto to Vegas i know they would fill the planes im tired of Air Canada using 20 year old Rouge planes you would think we would het the new 737 like Vancouver does
I did the Porter YYZ to YYC and back a few weeks ago (May 28 and June 4th) . Nearly full flights on a Sunday. Which day of the week did you travel?
If porter gets more long range planes air canada is done for
Thanks for the report. Agree that Porter is a significant upgrade in terms of service and respect for the customer in comparison to Air Canada, which tends to treat non full-fare paying customers with nothing but contempt. As a matter of interest and to provide context for the issue of leg-room, how tall are you? Thanks.
We flew from Toronto to Vancouver, and we really enjoyed the trip. The service was great
I was super excited when Porter came to YYC, I can't wait to fly them next week to YYZ, hopefully theyll have flights to Orlando soon!
You can't tell me the E2 isn't a baby 777.
Great coverage of Porter, Alex! Fingers crossed that Porter as well as the other ULCC's (Flair, Lynx) make a go of it. We most definitely need more airline competition in Canada. I'm looking forward to Porter's start up serving Kelowna. Thumbs up from YLW.
Thanks for all the info! I fly Porter to YYZ next week and am looking forward to trying them out. Sadly I couldn't swing Porter Reserve, but still looking forward to their experience.
The issue with Porter I have encountered is their tickets are always 2 to 5 times the other airlines and since I always see them at gates at airports, their flights never seem full or at over 85% capacity. Wanting to fly them, but with a student budget, I can only spend a little extra.
Porter is the best
Very solid flight and airline service indeed! I like that you added some music as well, Alex :)
I try to add music background into my videos as often as it is suitable. It helps a lot!
I really want Porter to find its niche throughout Canada, though that empty plane doesn't inspire confidence. It's still my top choice for flights to Eastern Canada, though.
Awesome trip report, when I was a kid in 1991, my dad and I flew from Calgary to Toronto in a Boeing 767, and after changing planes, we got into a DC-9 to Halifax. By the time we got into our hotel it was already night time, heh
Awesome video Alex keep up the great content. Its been a hot minute since you did a flight with WestJet's narrowbody jets, any videos on that coming in the near future?
Looks decent enough and I might consider them short haul but I’m still partial to Air Canada Signature Class and I do ❤️ the lie flat seats 😉👍🏻
Ya those trailing link landing gears give soft landings almost every time. No other airliner has them. A small detail but an interesting one....
They are terrific
I'm excited to try out Porter from Edmonton someday soon. I think their superior passenger experience will differentiate themselves from the crowded competition on the Toronto routes.
Since I am not a TH-camr, I fly coach. So the 30" seat pitch does not diffentiate Porter friom the 2 big guys. SeatGuru does not (yet) have data on The Porter E192 aircraft. In the end, with an undifferentiated product, porter will simply compete based on yield management games to get listed first on flight listings and that is a game which Air Canada has consistently won, killing Canadian Airlines for instance.
I am curious if the P%W engines were "transfered" over from Porter's original order for the C-Series. (aka: Porter cancelled the C-Series aircrafy but kept engine order and converted it to the model for the E192.
I flew Porter in its early days and they were amazing. After they sold the Toronto terminal, started to charge for luggage etc, ithey lost their actual edge and running on reputation. But out west where they have no reputation, starting with identical product to AC/WS will mae it very hard for them to gain recognition like they had between ontreal/Ottawa and Toronto.
Hoping City Express is recreated once Porter vacates Toronto Island airport.