- The Romans celebrated rape | Interview with Dame Mary Beard | SVT/TV 2/Skavlan
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- Historian Dame Mary Beard talks about how history has treated women in this interview with Scandinavian talk show Skavlan.
Also present in the studio are football manager Sven-Göran Eriksson, author and journalist Malcolm Gladwell and handball player Nora Mørk.
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I love her for who she is... a fantastic lady who exudes confidence, a classy sense humour, quick wit.... and above all superb intelligence! I think these attributes make her a beautiful person!
She makes the most complex moments in history very relatable
@Kwiene Makeda To EVERYONE
Fair enough
Could you PLEASE stop apologizing for the Empire? Once you started that you were on the road to perdition....enormous numbers of former colonials then had the right to emigrate to Britian, were there ANY constraints at all after the war? And I suppose the labor party dreamed it was a way to permanent power? THat is why the Dems in the USA keep on importing huge numbers of Third World people so they can get new voters. In neither case has it helped them much lately BUT that was the strategy was it not? SInce you constantly perform this mea culpa we Americans followed along with Obama's apology tour and that is turned then around on us all, fueling the attitude "right time to get rid of Brits, Americans, etc" Today with Nigel Farage's farewell speech to the EU in Strassbourg you should,just quit saying this nonsense!
She’s a remarkable woman. I love her voice and I could watch and listen to her for hours.
I love her too-she handled the rude poster brilliantly 👌
I adore her....
Isn't it interesting to see the jealousy written on the faces of the other guests!
Mary has NO AGENDA when she describes historical facts. She removes the romantic notions many have about the Roman era. She's read the original texts & graffiti, held the artifacts in her hands, and questioned archeological specialists (as well as visited the sites) to uncover the truths about how people lived and died thousands of years ago.
Thank you, Mary Beard, for sharing the unvarnished history of ourselves.
She's truly incredible
And she's sexy as hell
I can listen to her forever. She is enchanting, charismatic and erudite. The rare scholar who is totally interesting.
Agreed
Max Watkins irrelevant
@@kittynakamoto2449 entirely irrelevant, just restoring balance
Max Watkins that’s not what balance means in this context
@@kittynakamoto2449 I hold my hands up, my first comment was ridiculously ignorant, unnecessary and irrelevant
The presenter of this program actually listens....I am in shock!
It's a great show, found it by accident a year ago, and always look forward to his interviews. Love the way the other guests get involved in the conversation as well.
He really does. He asks genuinely interesting questions and allows the interviewees to talk instead of allowing the show to be all about him.
@@merlinmediagroup And he doesn't TALK OVER THEM....what a treat!
It’s how chat shows should be !
if you are a woman yes he listens intently but if you watch the Jordan Peterson interview he has this smirk of complete disrespect almost like he couldnt believe what he/she was hearing nothing worse than a victim stancing male feminist
I like Mary she’s not only extremely intelligent she’s got a good sense of humour.
She loves talking about rape....a feminist wishful attempt at controlling the sex act through the use of consent.
"I did consent this time but I didn't consent the last".
I love Mary. She's a walking encyclopedia of Wester Civ.
And makes it all so very interesting that I want to hear more.
@@wolfthequarrelsome504 ---- Is your comment about this interview, or about another?
I don't see how you connect her comment about rape as a cultural phenomenon in ancient Rome, and anything inferred about Western culture today.
Do explain.
Just love Mary Beard. So intelligent ,likeable and down to earth. Her joy in classical history is clearly evident as is her scholarship. I would love to spend time with her listening to her talk on whatever subject she likes ! A wonderful , charming woman -delightful 💕
People who insult a woman's physical appearance are intimidated by some aspect of the said woman's power. Thus, people who are degrading toward this woman, must feel insufficient intellectually. I quite enjoyed this interview. Thanks from Texas.
Paul O'Rourke I repeat, “insufficient intellectually.” lol
@Paul O'Rourke why can t someone be a whale then? Is there a law or something?
@Paul O'Rourke some are whales, some others are not the full ticket...
I have become addicted to Skavlan - always considered questions, and interesting mix of guests - thank goodness for the internet. From Australia
David S Total agreement, from the other side of the planet...Cheers from Canada.
I enjoy listening to her , the interviewer and guest did the right thing listen and don't interrupt. Smart lady , she always knows how to tell a story with such enthusiasm.
I think Dame Mary is quite a lovely person. I love her documentaries. I could "sit at her feet" and learn from her for hours.
First time I ever saw Dame Mary 💚 so glad to hear she has documentaries - will check them out right away
@Jeffery Widegirth it's a biblical reference.
@Jeffery Widegirth 🤢
She’s an amazing woman, extremely clever, and very humble. She announced in May 2021 that she was giving £80,000 for two people from disadvantaged backgrounds to study classical studies at University, the reason she did it is because she said “it’s the right thing to do”.
Thank you Mary Beard and Skavlan - so entertaining. So much more interesting, informative and original than other shows. 👏👏
Thanks so much! We appreciate it!
Omg Skavlan I adored this!!! This lady is just fascinating! I had never heard of her but now I will Google her books!! The entire interview had me hanging on every word, Tak Skavlan and Cheers from Canada
We're thrilled to hear that we have viewers in Canada! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
@@SkavlanTV you definitely have viewers in Canada! Wish we'd do more to become a more Nordic country / adopt more of your practices.
One of my most favourite academics. She makes history come alive when she speaks.
that is because she is speaking in the toungue of a victim andyou obviously see yourself as one too
@savos020 Did you even read my comment properly or watch the entire video? I am talking about her ACADEMIC work. She has authored a few books, is a professor at Cambridge University and has done a few BBC shows on Ancient Rome just to mention a few of the things she’s done.
@@wildplumbeauty Yes I did read your comment and it was vacuous and lacked any conclusion that i could respect, it bothered me as if someone had farted down a long canyon and I kept hearing this fecal tone of Victimhood. Because that and Toxic masculinity is what she peddles with her education and however many books she authored. For anyone to say such brain dead and pandering things about an "academic" who peddles hate of Men and Victim stance of women obvious didnt learn much with her education. Sorry if my facts hurt your feelings, your vacuous pandering to a hateful person simply had to be called out.
savos020 you sound like a permanent victim, quite whiny.
@@zimzob That's a fine way to project your issues on someone, maybe you should hug your Mom or something it sounds like you need a hug cuz your fellow feminazis don't give men hugs too bad for you.
I like Mary just the way she is.
She says "The Romans celebrated rape"
Meanwhile, the Islamists still do.
@@lollll9932 by 'Islamists' if you mean Muslims, well no they don't. Rape is forbidden. A man having any physical contact with a woman or vice versa is not allowed in Islam. There's more to say on this topic but I'm tired of people's insistence on believing nonsense no matter what they're told.
@Mathius S And trump.
@@whatever-ou2he Women may be forbidden, but I guess little girls are OK??
That was fun, I'm in the USA but will be following her from now on. She fantastic.
Jo Drew ditto.
Excellent! Always enjoy listening to Mary Beard, and watching her history documentaries 👏👍😊
chris trinder You need to broaden your reading a bit mate she is a lefty liar on many subjects . for instance what destroyed Rome ? she lies about it none stop
Roland Hawken not lies, it will be her interpretation, she isnt lying!
@@risenshine2783 That would depend. Iceberg sunk the Titanic, there isn't very many ways to interpret that. Once you start saying it was aliens you probably are a little off.
American from Scottsdale, Arizona. I adore Dame Mary Beard. What a treasure trove of knowledge! I could listen to her for days on end.💕
She's a national treasure 🫶
She's unbelievably brilliant, and through my eyes, she is beautiful. She can come to my house any time for coffee and cake.
@jay
Trying to be witty and funny? Ok, fair enough, that was a good one.
@@djanitatiana
Since women bear children, yes.
Lilo Leist Did you not mean bear children.
@@jacksprat429
Yes, of course, thanks 😉👍
Lilo Leist 🤗😂
Mary Beard, you enraptured the stage with your warmth and genuineness, it was beautiful to watch, I am delighted you are a dame ( a less than flattering title tho, unlike knight-white or in shining armour). I am taking this opportunity to thank you, I have been on many trips with your imagination inspiring narration, unique of your experience, education, creativity and humour, allowing me to see beyond my knowledge, I am very grateful.
Kwiene Makeda What?
brilliantly put chill pill. i concur .
@Chill Pill I so AGREE. I hang on every word she says in her bbc shows. I think she’s gorgeous by the way. Not in the traditional sense but more in a Cleopatra sort of way. Her mind makes her beautiful and enchanting.
@@wildplumbeauty Mary attributes it to privilege, I believe all women are beautiful and enchanting when we choose, men too.
@Kwiene Makeda thank you, your opinion is twice noted.
Mary is entertainment plus. Thanks for the joy 𝙼𝚊𝚛𝚢. Aussie Bob x
When the Romans met the British,,,,, two million football hooligans covered in blue paint asking "Wot you looking at Julius!"
Lol
You just won the internet
Lol brilliant.
"You want some?" and "You're going back to Rome in a fucking ambulance."
What? Rome conquered England in no time compared to other territories like Iberia or even France!
Your show is wonderful! Have seen nothing else like it.
Karen Sinclair And the stage is like a ring of fire! 🔥
that is because you live in an echo chamber
“In America, you WOULD say, ‘I worked really hard and I’m really smart,’ even though you were lucky.”
Yup.
The harder you work the luckier you get.
In America you can go as highas you want to go.
@@beverlybalius9303 if they let you
Julie Anderson you are just adorable.
Nah, the American expression is "work smarter, not harder."
Mary Beard ....... please do some more shows about romans ........ please ..... please ....... please ....... I love your shows it is very nice to listen to the historical voice .......
Always extraordinary conversations on this show!!!!
Thank you so much for your wonderful feedback, Rajeh! We appreciate it.
it's killing me how the other 3 guests are staring at Ms. Beard like she's a foreign entity of some sort
I know! lol - especially that girl next to her...
ann H Either she can’t speak English or she’s thinking about pickled herring and brannvin.
I would be in awe of her. I hope that is what it is.
It wouldn't surprise me if she actually was like a foreign entity to them, because they do not often meet or talk to an eloquent female expert
Yep I felt that as well. Specially the gentlemen in the dark purple checked shirt.
Great interview as always. Love Mary Beard.
Thank you, we're glad to hear you like it!
Interesting woman...looks at things from obscure angles , she makes you think whether or not you like what she is saying.
YOU HATE THE TRUTH?
Yup, looks at things from such obscure angles that she makes absolutely no sense. Presenting a baseless assumption as irrefutable fact is what everybody does these days. It's one sure way to make a good living.
Half of it was BS. Romans didn't smile!? There is no place on earth where people don't smile. But I suppose that she believes that Inuits, or Tibetans, or lost tribes on the Amazon were taught to smile by Europeans.
@@Kermit_T_Frog Do you even KNOW history or are you just running your trap?
@@hankrogers8431 The Odyssey was Greek, not Roman. Greek culture had damn near nothing in common with Roman culture. And even among Greek cities the status of women differed greatly. In ancient Sparta, men were occupied training for war, leaving the business of running the country to the women. The dumbest thing she said was that Telemachus was an "adolescent." His age was not mentioned in the Odyssey, but his father, Odysseus, had been away for 20 years.
I don’t think Professor Beard is ugly... A GIANT for anyone who cares about history, OR intellectual pursuit... To hear her relay the debauched comments she received is heartbreaking. I clicked on this link to hear her infectious enthusiasm for understanding history. I think if more people opened their ears & minds, and consequently closed their uninformed & unpleasant mouths, we’d all be a little better off. I’d go WAAAY outta my way just to hear her lecture & teach, let alone to see her lovely Beethoven piano smile... glad I got to be in the world when she was here too!
I love her shows. I wish every history teacher brought such interesting lessons to the classroom.
I’m so happy to have stumbled upon this today!
Very interesting interview. I learned a lot from Mary Beard. Thank you!
rofl i love what she saying about being incredibly polite but also putting someone down at the same time. Utterly brilliant! I am going to try this.
Mary and her documentaries about Rome added immeasurably to my visit to many historic sites in Italy. Thank you Mary!!
I would love to hang out with Mary. Maybe take a walk through Pompei or someplace. She's awesome.
So impressive that this is broadcast in English in Scandinavia
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Love you Mary Beard!! You invoke your excitment in every subject!
I really enjoy this show. The guests are interesting & both the host & other guests listen intently to the speaker & have an Intellegent conversation together. Wish we had talk shows like this in our country instead of the gossipy, type we do have.
I love how real she is about it. So many historians seem to romanticise ancient cultures
Thank you 😊 this show is so interesting and educational
Thank you so much, Suzette!
Who is the Gonk that looks like a woman and asks the very “ intellectual “ question about how Romans greeted each other / kissing he’d read !!! Why is he there ????
Thanks for sharing. Greetings from James J in Limerick city Ireland
Those who claim there is no humility in America have never been to Minnesota.
Deborah Kelly or anywhere else in the US, really. They’re just watching movies 🙄
I can t wait to go, I flew into the airport at St Paul Minneapolis. I was treated very fairly there. I hear it gets cold. And it the Autumn and Spring be lovely too
Or anywhere outside of major cities.
And he uttered his remark in such a humble manner.
But you have to take into account that Minnesota is a suburb of Scandinavia.
Classy woman. Like her a lot.
"All right... all right... but apart from better sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health ... what have the Romans ever done for us?"
Tosapai 🤣👍🏻
yeah okay, but its inevitable right, i mean Egyptians and Persian also improved that , if time matters in our measurement today, they were even earlier on in progress with those issues, i like your comment.
Peace?
I get the reference but the reality is Celtic Britain was actually a sophisticated society that was fine until the Romans turned up and ruined it.
&.... britcoin
Oh mon dieu, Mary Beard AND Malcolm Gladwell on the same stage?! Heaven.
Are they adversaries?
Rare for a TH-cam comment section to be this wholesome. Keep it up lads and lasses!
It was a pleasure to listen to this fascinating lady!
A highly educated academic individual like this woman is denigrated about something as superficial and trivial as appearance, tells me all I need to know about the ignorant fools that exist in this world. I would suggest, they listen to her and learn something!
I absolutely loved Mary's documentaries. Very under exposed talented historian .
Mrs Cormack....I have watched so many lectures, debates and documentaries involving, and presented by you. Roman history has always fascinated me. You are utterly fantastic. I’m always mesmerised by your knowledge and passion. I do maintain that you would be one of the people I would invite around my dinner table, along with Brian Cox, Henry VIII, Louis XVI, and Mr Caesar himself! I think discussion would carry on well into the night 😆 Keep doing what you do best and bring the Romans to life....you do it so so well. Thank you.
I love her documentaries! She makes history interesting and fun which can be hard to do.
Thank you! What an interesting woman - just found another person I'd like to know more about
@incogneto The woman had nothing to say, don't know why, the men were afraid of what Mary was going to say...they gave all of the 'tells' just watch them.
stacie sheppard got exactly the same feeling
@incogneto an acknowledged authority on the subject describing in depth how a culture found rape amusing, was not interesting? Can I suggest you search TH-cam for something sufficiently lowbrow that doesn't challenge you too much?
@incogneto If you watch the whole thing through she gets a few laughs, and the other guests engage with her on the later topics. Not really sure what you're talking about.
Dave Box 😆
Long live Mary Beard. Queen of Historians. I’ve spent most of this weekend watching and listening to her and can’t get enough. What a Dame!
She a decptive, lying piece of shit payed by rome and its hierachry. the real hsitory is pretty different, the romans in their later era were brutal savages who sacrificed peeople, fed them alive to lions, for example christians, the romans were scum. The Germanic tribes were not nearly as primitive as many think due to propaganda.
Mary is always authentic. She’s passionate about her work, brilliant and very open. Really appreciate her.
Many people around the world work very hard, but it does not increase their luck. Many times it just increases their oppression.
are you saying they should take a mental health day?
@@mattdonahue9516 sure why not? Do what you need to do for you.
THANK you lol
Tony McNeil the secret to wealth is “leverage”. Working smart. Not working hard making someone else rich.
@@farceadentus shhh don't make them think
I could sit and listen to her speak all day. She is so intelligent and witty.
@Irina Popa there why you're watching and stirred enough to comment.
I agree with Dame Mary beard for here comments about how to get along with rude humans...Yes that is true....Often they can become your very best friends....If you ask questions to find out how someone thinks, if is often not only a shared conversation but one of enlightenment on many parts...I agree and enjoyed the conversation and the historical aspect of the Romans...I agree with her about her take on history also...It is one session after another of change...Please convey the gratitude for enlightenment...CDHx1
What a unique and scintillating person.
Such knowledge and wisdom..❤️
The other guests are absolutely in awe of her. Her wisdom, humor and wealth of history is something else.
One of the most brilliant historians alive IMO
She used to be a historian, now she's an activist just because some internet trolls said that she's ugly. Arnaldo Momigliano's parents were murdered in Auschwitz and he never said a word a about it, just kept being a historian.
@Bilbo Baggins Oh well when you put it that way ...
@Kwiene Makeda How is she a liar? Please keep this to history nobody cares about social media drama.
@Kwiene Makeda How could you call a person uneducated without knowing the person? Can you give one example of cherry picked data? Just one please.
@@jaythompson5102 She just said in this interview the Odyssey had little kids mouthing off, like it had relevance.
Romans also celebrated mass, public executions in the Colosseum, which is (incidentally) how they helped to start Christianity.
...And how they helped to destroy it under later Roman Rulers...
Public executions were celebrated long long after the romans. It was a common thing throughout Europe.
@@ricardocima didnt turn it into a sport though
Such difference...
And the proto beginnings of the NFL!
What a brilliant panel. Love Dame Beard
She tweeted me yesterday. And I’ll cherish it forever.
A very interesting discussion. Dame Mary Beard continues to be a marvel and always such a pleasure to listen to her learned explanations about classic history, literature and human behavior. Thank you.
Wow! She is simply wonderful, in the truest sense of the word. 😍
Hi
Skavlan, I really enjoy your style of chat show. You are great!
Right , to my shame i have never hesrd of this lady before but now i find her mesmerizing and i shall make it my duty to dig out and read her books.
She makes history come to life.
Mych gratitude to you dear lady xxx
The fella who mention the way American would reply to “how did you get so successful?” He is so right... in the USA, we would totally say “I worked my ass off, stayed focused, and made it happen”.
Even if others did most of the work. It does sound better that way. And fits our sense of fairness.
@@kathryngeeslin9509 what others..no one clocks me in and out of work or pays my bills this is 2020 not 1700
@@joshuawilliamson6839 Congratulations. Self employed is best if you can manage it.
I climbed up the ladder built by the generations before me, then pulled it in so that the next generation can never be a successful self-made man like me.
@@generationofswine-ge5rw This has been true of most generations, especially since industrial revolution, but horrendously true of those who care enough to vote last 40 years. It would seem those ready to take credit for the ladders built by previous efforts are also more than willing to pull those ladders up or destroy them, then complain new workers are "lazy" because they don't climb as far and fast.
I really like you Skavlan... great host!
She points out how out of touch Prince Andrew was in the interview, as compared to the rest of us.
Did she not consider that the roman history she's read was by and about the same elite type of people and it in no way reflected the actual everyday person?
The play about the rape, could very well have been written by a Prince Andrew type. And regular people would have been just as disgusted as us today..
Just a thought.
No, because a lot of Roman writings were nothing more than our version of modern day Graffiti...some of it was actually very obscene. Pompeii is covered in it.
penelope pittstop very insightful
There are historical accounts as well....
Ioannis Polemarkhos why do you types obsess over other gender? Such an unoriginal complaint, you must not have a life
@@ioannispolemarkhos7364 what are you on about?
I like skavlan and I like Matt beard her take on history is so unique and fresh she also just talks like a normal person unlike most historians
What a lady! Love Mary Beard
"he was on holiday, a bit drunk..... a bit disinhibited" how gracious. Going to follow her on Twitter now.
just discovered this show (thanks TH-cam algorithm!) and subscribing now!
Let's not make sweeping generalizations. Marcus Aurelius was Roman too.
I don’t imagine the women and men who were raped celebrated anything.
You're right.
different times maybe, different mindsets, maybe back then it wasn't a violent and defiling thing as more spontaneous, maybe what we see as rape to them was just a one night stand.
How interesting! Thank you !
Thank you for watching and commenting!
That was a lovely interview from a lovely lady. I love her x
Thank you from Scotland.
She seems so pleasant..i would love to sit and talk with her.
"That's because they never met the Vikings" very funny Skavlan
@norma armstrong Would you bring up her age if she were a man?
American woman, the vikings travelled from Sweden in their long boats thru Russia to as far as Bulgaria, Romania, and Greece, where they were employed as mercenaries, they were tall strong good with knives and swords, many stayed behind and settled.
Except he said "That's because they never met the "Wikings"!
norma armstrong What an ignorant, abuse justifying moron you are. They all raped so that’s ok!?!?! To bring up a persons age just damns your puerile bullshit. Education and intelligence is obviously an anathema to a person of your ill education. Your sickening lack of anything approaching the IQ of a fully functioning human is an insult to whichever species you have any form of affinity with.
@@dajogb3330 It's probably a jab at hiding behind her age as some do.
Great show, thank you I'll be back 👍
I'd like to have a glass of wine with this lady, I could listen to her for days!❤
This show puts together some amazing talks, such a civil host!
Have you heard of anyone listening to the guest speakers these days?
unless you are on the side of masculine and that of self responsibilty then he is exposed as fake news
Rubin Report?
@@savos020 How so?
She is such a star! (And as a fellow advocate of unfailing courtesy, as a response to the cabbage tweet, ‘When did you do your research?, .... Just a thought....)
Nancy, I wholeheartedly agree. The lady informs without patronising, she is humorous, intelligent and loves her subject. She is a lovely, civilised lady.
I absolutely love and respect Mary! What a phenomenal lady!
Mary Beard is priceless. I've seen most of her videos and I linger on her every word...
imho luck doesn't come from hard work: it comes from being out in the world and being open
❤ Mary! She's just lovely!
I consider Mary to be an authority on the subject and she is so interesting to listen to.
Mary Beard is pure awesome. She is so entertaining and intelligent. I love this woman.
What an interesting person. Great interview.
Thank you for watching and commenting!
You can work hard and still get nowhere ask all those working 60 hr weeks on minimum salAry and still cannot afford to live alone. You need two salaries and even then it is a survivable salary and NOT a liveable salary
You need to learn to work smart. Working hard making someone else rich is not the way to riches.
Svens smart is putting the worlds best midfielders in positions where they dont get any of the ball
Just amazing. I love listening to her. Big fan!
I love how Dame Mary speaks clear and thoughfull about the history and the present. And I love that she takes care of herself without artificiall colouring 😉
Mary Beard is amazing
I have lost count of the number of women asking me to hold them down during sex. It works both ways
This lady is definitely what one might call 'good copy'. What a fascinating woman.
Mary Beard and Ruth Goodman are cut from the same cloth. Their expressions, their tone of voice ... they're both delightful to watch AND listen to. I don't care what some morons might say about Mary, it's not physical appearance that makes a person ugly - it's how they present themselves. You can have a perfectly molded individual - prim, polished, everything as bright and shiny as imaginable - but if they reveal themselves as hateful and abhorrent, then any physical charm they have is lost. Give me a plain individual with a bright mind and a warm heart any day and I'll consider myself blessed to be in their company.