I can actually feel my I.Q. rising with each Ehrman lecture I listen to. I’ve learned so much great nomenclature, history and my entire view point on religion has changed. And that’s after 12 years of Catholic School. We need to get this man his own show on the History Channel. What a great contribution you have made to our world. Thanks Professor.
I know. I've read one of his books, half way through another, subscribed to his blog and have listened to and watch a ton of his content. It's a "godsend" lol
Great communicator. This topic can be dry,arcane,and tiresome. But Ehrman tosses it all up in the air, puts it back again, and chats about semi-legend characters as if they were the neighbours down the street. Read all his books bar one,and I enjoyed everyone.
He was a "A Full Blown Christian" born again Christian. He dug into all research, like an adopted child goes adult and needs to learn about genetics/dna.. he needed to learn his family tree. Finding out so much bs about his class A family that he needed to share it. Metaphorically speaking. The man is somewhat smart /hahaha! And he knows the whole story mega times ten! Which is, as close to truth than anyone could try to learn. This guy debates like a Rottweiler. A very intelligent Rottweiler 👍 not comparing him to a dog persay! Intelligence can be found in dogs, beyond man, and Bart D Erhman is "OBVIOUSLY" Extremely into these many stories, and beyond passionate of these. He cross checks and studies unbiasedly, due to his surprise. Thank God for Bart D Erhman!
Does Constantine had something to do with Mythraism? How important was that religion in Rome that later almost all feasts of them were later established as Christian dates?
Was not the statue on top the pillar at the forum in Constantinople, depicting Constantine as Apollo, nude with rays on his head, holding an orb and a spear?
From my reading there is controversy about when Constantine truly became Christian himself, on his deathbed? One thing we all know of his history is that Constantine was a master politician, first and foremost. The vision which eventually led to his adoption of Christianity was nothing other than a weather event, a sundog misinterpreted by superstitious, science ignorant men as a religious experience. Constantine had very little knowledge of the religion. The spread of Christianity was about power, control; had nothing to do with any the truth of Christianity.
Would you please answer this, dr. Ehrman One of the things from the Bible that I just can't explain is "time, times and half a time" or (1260 days in the Book of Daniel, the 1290 days in Dan 12:11, and the seeming corresponce with construction of the Dome of The Rock on the Holy site.) According to one interpretation, the sacrifices were abolished in 583 BC. A jewish/prophetic year is 360 days, so treating a "day" as prophetic years gives 1271.5 ((360*1290)/365.24). 1271.5-583 = 688.5, the exact year of construction of the Dome of the Rock. Add 1260 years to 688 and you come to 1948, the year of establishment of Israel as nation. Thoughts?
I believe Dr Ehrman is a New Testament scholar; however if really wanting an answer you might post this on his Blog (see 1:14:20 of this video) he answers a great many and it's cheap for it's content (and worth).
Stinukli, do you really think that the same Bible that teaches π=3 (1 Kings 7:23) and that insects have four legs (Levitiucus 11:20) is a reliable source of some complicated mathematical prophecy about the Dome of the Rock, and the modern State of Israel? Ha, check out the generations in Matthew chapter 1-the Bible can't even count!
How's this? There are sixty-six books in the protestant Bible. In the year 66, Halley's Comet was visible. Edmond Halley was married to a woman named Mary, same as the mother of Jesus, the inventor of Christmas! Christmas is on 25 December, or 25-12. 2+5+1+2=10. 1+0=1, like 1 God! Isn't that amazing? I'd love to know your thoughts on that. (PS-If you use your _imagination_ , you can find amazing miracles anywhere!)
The Arianism controversy can be summed up by a simple statement "he was either God as man or man attaining God". One must say that Jesus was a human being first to understand his path to enlightenment a path that by virtue of his humanity all can follow. To suggest that he was God made man removes the idea that one can attain knowledge of God and leaves one with only devotion for fear of damnation. This division is prevalent today and is in other religions as well. Religion likes to control the temple that God resides in for fear of losing power.
I'm pretty sure that's an earlier Christological controversy, not Arianism. Arius actually agreed with Alexander and Athanasius that Christ was inseparably both man and God. They only disagreed on the fine point of how Christ's divinity worked.
Mein Kampf quotes Martin Luther father of Protestant churches .Calvin had people burned even children...
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I won't be the least bit surprised if Dr. Ehrman ends his great career by coming out in support of the mythical Christ. But I am curious as to why Dr. Ehrman doesn't mention the fact that when Constantine built his arc of triumph to commemorate the battle which gave him the Emperorship... there was no mention of Jesus or Christianity but yet was filled with reference to the Sun God Sol Invictus who was the Roman version of the Greek God Apollo. If Constantine truly believed that his success in that battle was the result of his alleged conversion to Christianity... why would there be no reference to Christianity in the great public monument to that critical military success? This monument makes clear what Constantine's true religious allegiances were. It seems to me that almost all of the testimony regarding Constantine's conversion is Christian in origin... which certainly makes a certain kind of sense... doesn't it?
I would be very surprised if he stopped being atheist. He knows too much about how the religion was constructed out of confusion and outright lying to fall for that.
Constantine was very confused about religion, he had very little knowledge of Christianity. He might have come to believe later that the Sun God was actually the god of Christianity. --from my own reading, which makes sense to me. And yes indeed, Christians obviously had a great impact on this "history".
@@venus_envy No doubt in my mind that Dr Ehrman knows Christ is a myth, that Jesus was just a jewish doomsday prophet who was martyred by science ignorant superstitious people, 'chinese telephone' and later authoritarians. Ehrman walks a thin line, trying not to alienate Christians, he tries to support their "faith". After all, Ehrman has to thank Christianity for his career.
this guy is the sophisticated manipulator - always misrepresenting the history of Christianity - in a subtil but decisive way - he is committed to being anti-Christian, sadly
53:20 Bart quickly rambles a group of falsehoods, from creation of the universe, on and these are not true. He did not come into the world to die, nor did Christ ever die, nor did humankind need redemption from sin, but needed wisdom, sacred knowledge. Christ came to impart knowledge and show by example who we, Gods children, can return to the Father in the same way Christ did. Also, Christ clearly was not raised from the dead, for he never died, and Jesus the man, was not raised either, for the dead are conscious of nothing at all. He did return to heaven the eighth actually.
Bart says you cannot have two almighty's, if God was the almighty then the Son would not be, but this is material in nature, not spiritual. For the spiritual aspect, both are as One, and clearly the Word spoke for the Father, no question, and it was this Word who descended as the Christ. Humans fail to understand for they seem to view things from a material vantage point, this is in error. Yes, Christ is of God the All and is One with him from the beginning. But we know it is said there was no beginning for God, so you draw your own view here.
Sadly the Christians and Constantine as well as the Council of Nicea are not as they appear from this lecture. Prior to Emperor Constantine and after till today, true Christians are not what is commonly thought of, nor were they of the same beliefs that was taught in the bible from then onward. Christianity as a religion had much wrong, and also rejected much of the texts that held great value of the times. Not long later these very original so-called Christians were seen as Pagan and deemed heretics, and their texts were burned and destroyed.
There are countless truths that were suppressed then and now. Also, much of what was told from the old testament, or the Torah, were not fact based whatsoever. The church was designed to work with that first empire, and also to appeal to christian's of that time, but the truth was not there. In fact, much of even the new testament, was written in parables, and Christ himself clearly kept much truth from the common person which includes the bible. But now, we have far more available to us now, more than a book translated over time.
What is this, symbols like a fish or a cross? These held no value to Christ whatsoever, and they are no more than symbols or worse idols. But I can tell you, Christ withheld most of his sacred teachings, and kept them secret, even the bible tells us this, but it is stressed far more elsewhere. The trinity is not three persons, that is a joke, if you do not know, then it is not meant for you here. Wonder why with such an important topic as this, so many find something to laugh about in the audience. There is nothing funny about over a million people dying horrid deaths.
Let alone the supreme value of the Spirituality and sacred words of Christ. I do tend to like Bart's knowledge of worldly studies, and his historical views, but it is equally lacking in spiritual wisdom or focusing on the greater truths Christ shared with a few who truly knew him. What value is worldly information of historical events if one fails to understand the deepest truths Christ came here to give us? How is one to ascend, to return to where they have come from if they fail to understand this very knowledge. I will leave this here, am quite ashamed at humans. Sad
Needing to pay for access to the blog is also a barrier to trolls and people who just want to argue.
I can actually feel my I.Q. rising with each Ehrman lecture I listen to. I’ve learned so much great nomenclature, history and my entire view point on religion has changed. And that’s after 12 years of Catholic School. We need to get this man his own show on the History Channel. What a great contribution you have made to our world. Thanks Professor.
YES! PLEASE!
The History Channel ! He would reach, and educate, soooo many more folks!
I know. I've read one of his books, half way through another, subscribed to his blog and have listened to and watch a ton of his content. It's a "godsend" lol
What a fabulous series of lectures. Thanks so much to Bart for sharing his knowledge. I'm so appreciative.
Awesome Study ! Thanks for your contribution.
Awesome, thank you very much for uploading 👏
Cant count how many times I have listened to this.
Great communicator. This topic can be dry,arcane,and tiresome. But Ehrman tosses it all up in the air, puts it back again, and chats about semi-legend characters as if they were the neighbours down the street. Read all his books bar one,and I enjoyed everyone.
He was a "A Full Blown Christian" born again Christian. He dug into all research, like an adopted child goes adult and needs to learn about genetics/dna.. he needed to learn his family tree. Finding out so much bs about his class A family that he needed to share it. Metaphorically speaking. The man is somewhat smart /hahaha!
And he knows the whole story mega times ten! Which is, as close to truth than anyone could try to learn. This guy debates like a Rottweiler. A very intelligent Rottweiler 👍 not comparing him to a dog persay! Intelligence can be found in dogs, beyond man, and Bart D Erhman is "OBVIOUSLY" Extremely into these many stories, and beyond passionate of these. He cross checks and studies unbiasedly, due to his surprise. Thank God for Bart D Erhman!
Does Constantine had something to do with Mythraism? How important was that religion in Rome that later almost all feasts of them were later established as Christian dates?
Was not the statue on top the pillar at the forum in Constantinople, depicting Constantine as Apollo, nude with rays on his head, holding an orb and a spear?
Yes
From my reading there is controversy about when Constantine truly became Christian himself, on his deathbed? One thing we all know of his history is that Constantine was a master politician, first and foremost. The vision which eventually led to his adoption of Christianity was nothing other than a weather event, a sundog misinterpreted by superstitious, science ignorant men as a religious experience. Constantine had very little knowledge of the religion. The spread of Christianity was about power, control; had nothing to do with any the truth of Christianity.
I'd like to audit one of Dr Ehrman's freshman courses.
Would you please answer this, dr. Ehrman One of the things from the Bible that I just can't explain is "time, times and half a time" or (1260 days in the Book of Daniel, the 1290 days in Dan 12:11, and the seeming corresponce with construction of the Dome of The Rock on the Holy site.) According to one interpretation, the sacrifices were abolished in 583 BC. A jewish/prophetic year is 360 days, so treating a "day" as prophetic years gives 1271.5 ((360*1290)/365.24). 1271.5-583 = 688.5, the exact year of construction of the Dome of the Rock. Add 1260 years to 688 and you come to 1948, the year of establishment of Israel as nation. Thoughts?
@@marksutherin1987 What do you mean? I really would like thought out answers to this.
I believe Dr Ehrman is a New Testament scholar; however if really wanting an answer you might post this on his Blog (see 1:14:20 of this video) he answers a great many and it's cheap for it's content (and worth).
Stinukli, do you really think that the same Bible that teaches π=3 (1 Kings 7:23) and that insects have four legs (Levitiucus 11:20) is a reliable source of some complicated mathematical prophecy about the Dome of the Rock, and the modern State of Israel? Ha, check out the generations in Matthew chapter 1-the Bible can't even count!
How's this? There are sixty-six books in the protestant Bible. In the year 66, Halley's Comet was visible. Edmond Halley was married to a woman named Mary, same as the mother of Jesus, the inventor of Christmas! Christmas is on 25 December, or 25-12. 2+5+1+2=10. 1+0=1, like 1 God! Isn't that amazing? I'd love to know your thoughts on that. (PS-If you use your _imagination_ , you can find amazing miracles anywhere!)
And the writer of Daniel knew that Pope Gregory would drop 10 days from the calendar in the 16th century?
Are the slides or a video from these lectures available anywhere?
The Pantheon conquered christianity, gods and heroes became saints.
Amen 😁😁😁
The Arianism controversy can be summed up by a simple statement "he was either God as man or man attaining God". One must say that Jesus was a human being first to understand his path to enlightenment a path that by virtue of his humanity all can follow. To suggest that he was God made man removes the idea that one can attain knowledge of God and leaves one with only devotion for fear of damnation. This division is prevalent today and is in other religions as well. Religion likes to control the temple that God resides in for fear of losing power.
"Summed up by a simple statement" . . . No.
I'm pretty sure that's an earlier Christological controversy, not Arianism. Arius actually agreed with Alexander and Athanasius that Christ was inseparably both man and God. They only disagreed on the fine point of how Christ's divinity worked.
Did you not listen to what Professor Ehrman actually said on this matter ?
Mein Kampf quotes Martin Luther father of Protestant churches .Calvin had people burned even children...
I won't be the least bit surprised if Dr. Ehrman ends his great career by coming out in support of the mythical Christ.
But I am curious as to why Dr. Ehrman doesn't mention the fact that when Constantine built his arc of triumph to commemorate the battle which gave him the Emperorship... there was no mention of Jesus or Christianity but yet was filled with reference to the Sun God Sol Invictus who was the Roman version of the Greek God Apollo. If Constantine truly believed that his success in that battle was the result of his alleged conversion to Christianity... why would there be no reference to Christianity in the great public monument to that critical military success?
This monument makes clear what Constantine's true religious allegiances were.
It seems to me that almost all of the testimony regarding Constantine's conversion is Christian in origin... which certainly makes a certain kind of sense... doesn't it?
I would be very surprised if he stopped being atheist. He knows too much about how the religion was constructed out of confusion and outright lying to fall for that.
Constantine was very confused about religion, he had very little knowledge of Christianity. He might have come to believe later that the Sun God was actually the god of Christianity. --from my own reading, which makes sense to me. And yes indeed, Christians obviously had a great impact on this "history".
@@venus_envy No doubt in my mind that Dr Ehrman knows Christ is a myth, that Jesus was just a jewish doomsday prophet who was martyred by science ignorant superstitious people, 'chinese telephone' and later authoritarians. Ehrman walks a thin line, trying not to alienate Christians, he tries to support their "faith". After all, Ehrman has to thank Christianity for his career.
Long Live Emperor Julian. I would happily live in the world where Christianity ever happened. Mozart would've been better as a pagan. So would Pascal.
this guy is the sophisticated manipulator - always misrepresenting the history of Christianity - in a subtil but decisive way - he is committed to being anti-Christian, sadly
53:20 Bart quickly rambles a group of falsehoods, from creation of the universe, on and these are not true. He did not come into the world to die, nor did Christ ever die, nor did humankind need redemption from sin, but needed wisdom, sacred knowledge. Christ came to impart knowledge and show by example who we, Gods children, can return to the Father in the same way Christ did. Also, Christ clearly was not raised from the dead, for he never died, and Jesus the man, was not raised either, for the dead are conscious of nothing at all. He did return to heaven the eighth actually.
Bart says you cannot have two almighty's, if God was the almighty then the Son would not be, but this is material in nature, not spiritual. For the spiritual aspect, both are as One, and clearly the Word spoke for the Father, no question, and it was this Word who descended as the Christ. Humans fail to understand for they seem to view things from a material vantage point, this is in error. Yes, Christ is of God the All and is One with him from the beginning. But we know it is said there was no beginning for God, so you draw your own view here.
Sadly the Christians and Constantine as well as the Council of Nicea are not as they appear from this lecture. Prior to Emperor Constantine and after till today, true Christians are not what is commonly thought of, nor were they of the same beliefs that was taught in the bible from then onward. Christianity as a religion had much wrong, and also rejected much of the texts that held great value of the times. Not long later these very original so-called Christians were seen as Pagan and deemed heretics, and their texts were burned and destroyed.
There are countless truths that were suppressed then and now. Also, much of what was told from the old testament, or the Torah, were not fact based whatsoever. The church was designed to work with that first empire, and also to appeal to christian's of that time, but the truth was not there. In fact, much of even the new testament, was written in parables, and Christ himself clearly kept much truth from the common person which includes the bible. But now, we have far more available to us now, more than a book translated over time.
What is this, symbols like a fish or a cross? These held no value to Christ whatsoever, and they are no more than symbols or worse idols. But I can tell you, Christ withheld most of his sacred teachings, and kept them secret, even the bible tells us this, but it is stressed far more elsewhere. The trinity is not three persons, that is a joke, if you do not know, then it is not meant for you here. Wonder why with such an important topic as this, so many find something to laugh about in the audience. There is nothing funny about over a million people dying horrid deaths.
Let alone the supreme value of the Spirituality and sacred words of Christ. I do tend to like Bart's knowledge of worldly studies, and his historical views, but it is equally lacking in spiritual wisdom or focusing on the greater truths Christ shared with a few who truly knew him. What value is worldly information of historical events if one fails to understand the deepest truths Christ came here to give us? How is one to ascend, to return to where they have come from if they fail to understand this very knowledge. I will leave this here, am quite ashamed at humans. Sad