Multi FX Vs Pedals | Octave Pedal DEATHMATCH | Scott & Ian’s PEDALBOARDS | The SBL Podcast Ep. 130
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 พ.ค. 2024
- If you crave pedal power it can be tough deciding where to begin - let alone where to go from there. There’s an astonishing array of stompboxes out there; despite the rise of more affordable multi-effects units, but what do they all do? Will they improve your sound, or just turn it to mush?
In today’s episode, we examine the secrets behind our own effects setups, explore Ian's octave pedal collection and round off the whole shebang with a delve into our gear of the week!
In this episode:
• What’s on Scott’s pedalboard?
• How Ian got to grips with the HX Stomp
• Scott’s go-to looper pedal
• Stompboxes vs Multi-FX: The pros and cons.
• And much more!
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Video Breakdown:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:05:15 - Single Pedals VS Multi FX
00:11:00 - Scott’s Pedalboard
00:19:37 - Ian’s Pedalboard
00:32:21 - The Octave Pedal Shootout
00:46:15 - SBL in 2024
00:51:50 - Player of the Week (Hadrien Feraud)
01:02:11 - Question of the Week
01:14:00 - Gear of the Week
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Thanks in advance everyone! This is the FIRST long form podcast that we've done on this channel... and, we're wanting as MUCH feedback as possible from all of YOU!
Please, let us know your thoughts... do you want one of these per week? Did you enjoy the segments? We're gonna check ALL the comments... we wanna make this awesome for you all!
Thanks! Scott :)
Any plans on putting different tunings like Drop D on the groove app?
Please do this weekly. It is the most genuine form of discussion. The fact Scott didn't like the "gear of the week" is great for discussion. Also the blind hearing test was brilliant. You should do that with different effects, maybe not weekly but monthly or bi-weekly. Have a good one, cheers!
Hey Scott, hope you’re good! Please get back to me brother…….be good to have a catch - up 👍🏻 (Great Channel!)
Thank you for uploading the video in chapters so I could "fast-forward" to the part that interested me 👍
Hey Guys, that was amusing and very very informative to me. The Octave Pedal Test was very interessting even though i only that sound on exactly one Song ;-) I wonder if you can take an Expert look on the ToneX Pedal from IK Multimedia in one of the next Podcasts.
Bass stuff aside. I adore your completely genuine friendship with each other. Love this channel.
Chemistry is great to watch
Absolutely! They got me laughing as well. And I flipped out at pedal #3, too!
I love the laughing 👍😄
Love your guys knowledge on everything Bass! ⭐️
Twin brothers, for sure.
I dig the new format. Please please please do more blind pedal tests for a range from mega cheap to mega pricey. So wholesome!!!
27:00 Scott: What you want is the HX Effects. More switches, same effects as the HX Stomp (just no amp modeling), and the editing is much more like editing on individual pedals. Just touch the switch that controls the "pedal" you want to edit, and now you can adjust its settings using the knobs on the unit. No menu diving required, and Ian can help you with presets since it's still an HX unit.
defo need to check it out - thanks!
Very enjoyable video/podcast (and I don't usually watch 1h20+ YT content). I've been a pedal junkie for over 10 years, so particularly enjoyed the Octave Pedal Shootout. One point of constructive criticism: it would have much more enriching and easy to follow, if, when revealing which octaver was which in the sequence, a brief replay of the pedal in question was heard. It would add a minute or so to the overall duration, but would be worth it. Hoping you'll try this in future shootouts. Keep up the great work, guys.
I've got to say I dip in to the channel every so often , this is by far my favourite thing I've seen on the youtube channel. This was a good move. I like the diversity of topics in this format.
To Scott saying he'd quite like something more like an MX stomp but with more knobs & less menu diving. I have one that's got 84 different models in it lots of knobs and separate footswitches AND you can pick one up , used, for about the same price as a single modern day pedal! It's .... The line 6 M13! It really is a half way point between individual pedals and MX stomp world, which isn't a surprise given its place in the timeline of Line 6 development. It's saved me a fortune in individual pedals. You should try one, with the absolute confidence that if you don't get on with it you can sell it for the same price you bought it, nothing really to lose but the postage cost.
I've got to get me an HX Stomp. They're great for guitar AND they're great for bass too. To my ears, the HX stomp had the purest octave, which you could add other FX to if necessary
YES
The MXR was by far my favorite. Janek nailed it.
I went to a boutique dealer and he had some COG Effects octaves and the 3Leaf. I was underwhelmed with that one as well haha. Bought the COG Effects octave :)
I just bought the mxr on reverb, I'm selling my aguilar.
T65 is my favorite up/down octave hands down. T16 is the best "little octave" I've used, closest thing to a sub blaster I've played, which is my all time fav
I've gone down the octave rabbit hole. There are some out there I still want to try: the Korg/Yamaha oct-1, and that wild 6 knob Exar oc-04 octavium... Most octaves aim for that boss sound though. I think there's more room for octave experimentation in the pedal space.
The Broughton Synth Voice is one of my holy grail octave sounds and it’s specifically for the non-octave (unison pitch) synth sound. Bumping a bit of that up can take a bass line (especially in a pop or hip hop/ contemporary jazz context) and send it into extreme groove territory.
Yes! Totally want to try that one!
Great point
I like my EQD bit commander it’s weird but maybe that’s why I like it . Ya there’s many more octave sounds to be created that are yet to be ., one option is stacking other effects with the OC2
It’s endless which is nice
ive been on an Octave pedal search for a long time. settled on an OCtamizer being 95% of what was in my head about a year ago. But a few weeks ago i stumbled across the Emma Electronics OKTO NOJS and BAM! thats the Octave sound ive been chasing. Multifx are great but there is something magical about finding "the" pedal.
So right
I'm with Scott on the Multi-Effects. I can't stand having to scroll through the menus and stuff, I like to keep it simple. I had an HX Stomp for a while, but I ended up selling it. It was great to have because of all the options, but I spent more time on the floor messing with the settings than I did just playing. It did help me discover which effects I truly loved and needed on my board. Now I have 7 or so pedals on my board but it's simple and streamlined and works for me.
You guys so friendly and helpful. Very professional video and very good sound. Thank you.
👍👍👍
I watched Scott's demo of a Darkglass distortion pedal, which cost $499. So I was interested and was shopping. My brother, who is also a bass player and uses pedals, recommended for me the ZOOM B6 multi-effect unit which has two Darkglass pedals integrated plus a ton of effects for $499. It works for me and you guys are making some great points on both sides of the choice. I am actually using an Ampeg Optocomp running into the ZOOM unit because the compression is always on for me.
I run a helix floor. It has been one of the best investments ever. I can show up armed with anything i need in the moment and no amp. Its so lovely
Absolutely great things happening for the bass community on TH-cam, and for me this podcast is my favourite content. An absolute must watch. Look forward to it every week.
thanks, Alex! :)
I love my 3Leaf Audio Octavbre pedal (and also the Doom 2 and Proton filter! Spencer makes fantastic pedals!). I also keep a MicroPog on my board, and use both it and the Octavbre regularly.
With his most recent release of 100 Octavbre pedals this month, he placed 10 units on ebay, and determined a market price of $600-$640.
That’s nuts
It’s not worth it with all the other good octave pedals out there ..
of course unless you can afford and like then fine..
I started out on the regular guitar, and recently just got a bass. The thing I love about it so far is that it feels more plug and play. No need for all the effects to play certain genres or obsessing over getting that perfect tone.
I just switch on the amp and the clean tone works in just about every situation
Yes! Guitarists chase the tone way too much.
Not gonna defend 3Leafs pricing and sales.
But the tone knob on the Octavbre goes from OC-2 to Mutron, there's absolutely no lack of bass, if setup "correctly".
It was in the OC-2 setting for this. Mutron setting was (is) even less low end.
Yes - put the pod here! I love SBL, but never listen to the pod! Now that it's on the main feed, I'll see it more!
Great video. Let’s do what you have to have in a bass. Nut material, woods, string through? Neck through? Fretboard material. Build your best bass.
Really enjoyed the pedal shootout. I perceived that the OC derived pedals sounded similar enough to be a was, with the exception of the behringer which was hollow maybe due to the mids switch. The pearl surprised me, I liked that one. Not a fan of the HX octaver but I can see a place for it.
Super cool thanks for the content guys
I'm probably in the minority but I LOVED the HX Stomp one. It's not like an Oc2 at all. It's smooth, it's thick, and it's subby without being synthy, and for a lot of the stuff I do, especially more ambient stuff, it's prefect! Or at least I personally prefer how it sits in the mix in that context
I really like it too.
I had owned an EBS Octabass pedal (didn't really know how to use it at the time...), and had sold it. I've got the MXR Vintage Bass Octave (and LOVE it), fixing to buy an HX Stomp XL...and it'll be nice to have the additional Octave pedal sound! :D
I love you guys talking on the regular pod channel and I loved you talking over here. The knowledge we can take of the two of you is freaking amazing. The blind test was awesome, gear talk kills me everytime (btw, an episode about iem and headphones would be super dope!), maybe something like a one time every month instagram questions answering would make it a bit more interactive. Gear of the week seemed a bit of, maybe something that I wouldn’t do on regular bases, maybe when something new and special gets released ore smth. The length was super dope, helps people really dig in. Looking forward to everything coming, gonna support everything.
OC-5 is my go to. I own an original OC-2 and the MXR version, and I love them, but the tracking on the OC-5 is so much better. Even in vintage mode.
Hmmm ., I may try it
Thanks
The Pearl octaver is great and was on my pedalboard for many years but now I am using a Boss SY 1000 to create synth sounds and I am totally happy with it.
I've got a Boss ME-50B multi-effects board. It's nowhere near as versatile as modern modelling units like the HX Stomp but it has most stuff you're likely to need and you can program it sequentially for a set list if you want to. It's solidly made (aluminium I think). You can get them second hand for less than £100 so they're perfect if you want variety on a budget.
I initially got mine to experiment and see what individual pedals would be most useful to me but haven't needed to replace it.
I learned that billy gibbons used an octave pedal with a sub harmonic filter (cuts out everything under Bb, kills the wobble) - I currently use the Aguilar Ocamizer, but almost want a separate rig for that stuff
I really liked this format, and feel it would translate to the audio only podcast very well.
You both have amazing insight into the instrument, entertain with incredible banter, and make it seem more like a candid conversation, rather than a planned topic filled session.
I am excited to hear that more playing will be included...it's what I come hoping for.
As far as the pedal vs. multi-fx...Icurrently use a Zoom b3n . I've always gravitated to the bass processors, starting 25ish years ago with the Digitech BP50... as for me they were always the better bang for my budget, and much like Ian said, it sounds good to me, which mattered most. I may not know what I'm missing sticking with the multi, but I've never had complaints about tone, and once I got used to the interface it became the perfect balance of stomp box, amp/cab modeling.
Again, this may be long winded, but I truly appreciate what the channel does, and look forward to how you continue to adapt and grow the brand.
One suggestion for someone just starting with effect is a Zoom B1 four. No, it's no where near as good as an HX or other end multi effect unit. But it's relatively low cost, very simple to use and is a great practice tool (looper, small amount of drum patterns). You can play with each effect and vary the parameters to learn a bit about how that effect works. I'm sure the experienced pedal users will quickly point out all the things that could be much better. However, it's a decent place to start and there are a number of useable effects in it. Add in the ability to do short 30 seconds loops and play with drum patterns and it's a pretty versatile tool. I also used it as a front end for my audio interface device when I played online over Soundjack.
Totally agree with you: my top tip for a B1 Four is to use the ToneLib-Zoom editor on your PC to set up the Zoom. I did try Zoom's own editor but it didn't work on my PC, whereas the ToneLib editor (it's free BTW) works just great; and IMHO has a better UI than the official Zoom editor. If you own a B1 Four and haven't tried a PC editor, do it! No scrolling on tiny screens, can be adjusted while in use, etc., etc.
Tell you what, your 'how not to have your octave bass glitchy' video was amazingly useful. Many thanks!!
Good to hear that video helped you!! 🧡🧡🧡
Loved the longer format. And thanks Ian for running us through your octave pedals though I think the glaring omission was the Octabvre MKII.
I haven’t tried all of those but I got the Foxrox Octron 3 (on Ian’s recommendation) and it is AMAZING. So simple, one knob for octave up level, one for direct level and one for octave down level, and a choice of two sounds on each of the octaves. Very analogue. The tone just works so well, much less synthy than an OC2 or POG.
DANG - should’ve included that one! 😂
After repeatedly attempting 3Leaf Audio’s roulette queue for the elusive Octavre (and failing) I stumbled across/purchased an Octron 3 earlier this year. Glad I did. Tracks as well or better than most analog units I’ve tried plus it sounds phenomenal. Sits in the mix nice and no more POG whistling digital artifacts.👍🎉
LOVED THIS NEW FORMAT!! What about bass of the week? A new bass you saw, played or heard?? Player of the week Michael Pipoquinha, this guy is on fire!!
Love this format! Do more please.
I built a boutiquey pedal board which sounds excellent at home but my Helix floor seems to perform better live. In particular Ian’s “Nightmare” preset cuts through 🔥
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This was great! I got an OC-5 for Xmas to replace my old/broken EBS Octabass, and have been very pleased with it. Hearing these side by side was really cool, and did show how different they really can be. Now, yeah, they all have knobs and switches that can change the sound in any number of ways, but I still found this really worthwhile.
Glad you found this useful!!
Love you guys, have been listening/watching the podcast for months. Love it and appreciate everything you do for the Bass Community! … also love the Star Wars references 🤣🤣🤣
Can't have enough Star Wars references!!
Brilliant video - objective. Well on the ball.... As someone who's built pedals for the last 20 years pretty much just for myself, after cloning many of the most bass-friendly O/D & Fuzz pedals that I can.... There's a bit of hype out there in the pedal market 🙂
Do ya think? Yet another esoteric attitude about a more tangible subject. Equal parts actual and perceived, where preconceptions and bias dictate belief as strongly as the evidence before you.this This was meant as complimentary to your well grounded note on hype. In case I was sounding more hype than truthful.
I have the same 3leaf Audio Octabvre that's on this video and it's on my main board for two reasons: 1. the option to solo the sub and 2. the compact size for a pedal with two footswitches. Also, in a band context I can't hear any difference between it and my OC-2.
I use a Boss GT 10-B mainly as it is pretty easy to learn and operate... the sounds are good, and it has less noise than a chain of a lot of individual pedals. Can store 200 user made patches too. Does a lot of things well, with very little hassles, and overall cost is a fraction what a dozen different pedals costs. After having even a modest chain of individual pedals with all the power supplies and patch cables needed.. it was just a pain in the ass. The GT 10B is one power cable... 1 or 2 outputs to amps, plug in the bass...then just turn the power on. and away you go.
It was three that Scott wanted to be the cheapest or most expensive, and lo and behold! 😂
I love the OC-3. GUITAR input, POLY mode and RANGE straight up.
The Chemistry you guys have is so special,I just catch myself grinning all the way through 👏👏👏.
I absolutely guarantee that the jazz bass with flatwounds is so much more than “one trick” 😂😂😂
i went back and i think i have listen to all the podcasts and loved every minute! scott still owes us an embarrassing story about why he doesn't know about strings
lol, it's coming! ;-)
Scott, the Freeze is good but try this...
I have the EHX Super Ego. Run a trem through through the loop. Somethimes I add a Digitech Dirty Robot( or any synth pedal) into the loop. Even tried the Ravish Sitar. Very cool for sustain patches!
Oooo... gotta try that!
Bought a Helix Stomp XL to try and consolidate my pedalboard and was a little intimidated by all of the settings, and the presets were useless for bass. I got a basic sound going, but went to Ian's page and purchased the Signature Pack. Amazing set of patches there to help me get going. Thank you, Ian and Scott for all you do.
Glad to hear that Ian's presets helped to get you going with the HX!!
3leaf pedals dont actually get sold on the 2nd hand market for 1k+. I've seen those 5k, 3k, 2.222k listings. those people are just trolling. I have seen stuff sell for under 1k though, e.g. chromatrons
Damn, Ian, I've never heard an Octabvre sound so bad and I play one regularly. 😂 I guess it wasn't designed to give you the most bottom end, but more of an edgy synth sound, after all.
They did the Octabvre dirty! It's my favorite out of the OC-2 & Mutron that I actually own.
Interesting discussion. I have to confess to being ambvalent about whether these podcasts appear in the main channel or the stand-alone channel, as I'll watch most of them either way. The only concern would be if being on the main channel made you more "serious" and cost some of the interaction and chemistry.
From the pedal perspective, I've been using stand-alones for a while and finally put together a small board a few months ago (it helps that some of them are usable for both bass and those funny 6-string things with a short scale-length). Apart from the mandatory tuner (Boss), I have a noise gate (necessary thanks to playing in a small rehearsal room with other noisy people; the bass was picking up the drums and the PA we use for vocals), a Darkglass distortion and MXR chorus. A wah sits next to the board. Everything except for the tuner goes int he effects loop just now. I own a decent compressor but I'm being lazy just now and using the on-board compressor in my bass amp (which is why I "break the rules" and run the distortion in the effects loop, as having it between the amp and the instrument means the on-board compressor "buries" the distortion). I've tried delay and reverb on the bass and have decent pedals for those but don't need them for our current set-list. I've also been known to use a Rat for distortion instead of the Darkglass, but the latter is more versatile and I can almost get the ratty sound with it . . .
Also, i keep looking at those Origin Effects beasties but being put off by the price . . .
In a professional gigging context, when you need very specific sounds then I find presets on a multi FX (I run a HX Effects) to be the best option. Also when using playback, you can sync tempo and even preset changes.
I've tested the HX One and it didn't dissapoint! It's simple and can be very useful for some of us. I've tested the stomp XL and prepare yourself for some menu diving 😉
I have the HX Stomp, the Markbass Octaver and the EBS Octaver! The last one still rules!
I also had one of the first EBS Octavers with grey housing and a defect foot switch! Once switched on and then switched off the octave sound still was there very subtle! My Bandmates always said that this is such a cool sound 😂 I was years ahead in the nineties 😂
I'd love to see Ian do a deep dive in setting up the HX Stomp for live performances, either here on youtube or in the SBL academy.. I have an HX Stomp and I know I'm only scratching the surface of what it can do, and I've watched lots of videos already on how to set it up, but I know Ian is a good teacher and he's definitely using the HX Stomp in a great way, so I'd love to see how he's set it all up and even learn the basics from him on the general configuration settings.
Maybe he'll make a video or a seminar about it at some point!!
@@devinebass 🤞
Great, youtube cast, loved it. You never covered a mix of both pedal boards. I run hx stomp with 7 pedals and di. Tuner compressor, hx stomp to di. Oct, autowah, overdrive, fuzz and chorus are effects looped in hx stomp. Great freedom of sound. Love switching presets then little tweeks easy. A pit big for ian.
thanks for the feedback, man!
With Line 6 and Ampeg both being owned by Yamaha, you would hope the Helix SVT models would be spot-on.
Scott, what you're talking about is a Neural Quad Cortex! The perfect multi-fx!
This is awesome on so many levels! You guys have such great chemistry and a great friendship!
Great variety of topics covered too! I came for the Octave comparison, but stayed for the whole enchilada! Nicely done, lads! Cheers from Toronto - until next time!
(Ian, don't forget about my idea for bassist features :D).
Hey, Guys! Just want to say that I love every single bit of this. It is truly amazing! One thing I would love to see that may be just for me, lol, is that I would love to see a praise and worship bassist. I know that almost every genre is covered, and I have taken notes from all of it, but getting into the contemporary praise and worship area would be awesome for me. To be able to hear from an instructor that gets into what would serve a congregation by leading behind a bass, and how to fill different types of moments, and items like that would be an amazing thing to see in the SBL realm! I started playing about 12 years ago for church, and this is where I began. Thanks, yall!
Some new stuff i have never imagined exist for bass.❤
Right?! It's pretty incredible what is available for bass players nowadays!!
Not an SBL member (thinking about it), but I've been a subscriber for a while. Love your guys' work. As far as the player of the week goes, maybe you should do an SBL member of the week. I'm certain some student would love the shine. And for prospective students, it will help make visible the results of the class. Cheers.
My Octave Favorites from this test:
Clean: HX Stomp/EBS
Synthy: OC-3
#3 & #8 are my favourites, despite what Scott said 😉
Totally also went hunting/shopping/waiting for a good octive pedal. The review I would have to agree with Scott (but EVERYONE has a different ear) about is the 3Leaf. I've tried and tried to get one this year direct, but yes they sell out so damn quickly! (And the replies from Spencer on his website are frankly not needed).
That being said I went for an OC5 and it's alright for a beginner. Affordable, easy to get, and honestly can be used for many things and get used to using octive pedals.
Cheers and thanks for the video From the Pacific NW!
(Intetsted on your review of Envelope Filters, since...well, dang there are many of them).
Ditto. Just yesterday I got an OC-5, an immediately I was aping the Tear Your Playhouse Down. I used a hair more of the up octave to help with definition and it’s awesome. It appears that everyone quietly just wasn’t the Boss OC-2 sound, but are in denial, so they distract themselves from this fact by putting their time into considering alternatives. Kinda like the guy who gets a “version”of what they want or need, and beats around the bush and by the time e they acquire the actual thing, the magic might be gone. This is while considering affordability as a very strong influence in everyone’s perception of certain products. The OC-2 didn’t become iconic for nothing.
Pedalnetics is Jason, my duo just cleared customs this morning very excited to expand my HX Stomp!
Love the podcast, the longer format and having you guys just let loose and chat about whatever comes up is great. A few people I follow on here (unrelated to bass) keep their podcasts on separate channels because the TH-cam algorithm apparently doesn't like the longer format videos so they end up getting less views. Can't hurt to try though, the podcast will keep its following whether it's here or elsewhere! I prefer audio only to listen when I'm driving or working, etc.
I have an HX One and I like it. The size and power requirements are well suited for a small board, and one effect at-a-time is fine for me.
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Yes. This is good! So genuine and informative. Sometimes I kinda feel I’m sitting in the room with you. Well done!
my pedal board has 4 pedals on it, starting at the mini Peterson tuner then a Headrush MX5 multi-effect with an MS-60B in the loop more or less locked on the Wictor Wooten setting ending in an MXR M80 bass DI+, it takes up almost no room can easily fit in a bag and it can do anything
I spent about $1400 on my board that completely replaced my amp and FX rig. It's huge and heavy but I don't have to move it either. All discreet pedals including input buffer, volume pedal, pre-amp, boost, octave, chorus, drive, envelope filter, reverb/delay, Freeze (TY Scott), and post FX DI with cab sim all on a vintage Holeyboard Wide w/custom paint job.
I got the Spotify notification and looked for it on the SBL Podcast TH-cam. Then I remembered you talked about moving to the main channel, so here I am.
#1 was nice and clean no added stuff. #2 was more synthy.. 3 also didn't like... #4 had some phase to it. 5 was a little like 2 less synth. 6 7 8 OC-3 I think. 9 Behringer
LOL glad I didn't like the expensive one.
I use a zoom MS60B pedal - a small , relalively cheap multi-effx pedal - has all the cab and pedal simulations I'll ever need. I have my patches saved and that works for me - the only thing I miss and plan to add is an expression pedal and looper so the Zoom B6 looks like a good upgrade proposition
I've enjoyed this podcast!
I really enjoyed this. Glad you decided to post on TH-cam. This is actually the first full podcast I listened to. I would say stick with this format. Thanks Ian for posting this on your Instagram to find.
The podcast video hang is my favorite thing that you two do together. It should 100% be a regular thing on the sbl channel. Cheers!
I finally got to finish watching the entire podcast and I absolutely love it. The interaction between the two of you is genuine and you balance being entertaining with being educational.
Scott, you do need to go to a quality sushi restaurant with Ian and you need to try some high end toro (the belly meat of the bluefin tuna), with some sushi rice and real wasabi. I had a liver transplant 3 months ago and one of my only culinary regrets is that I can’t eat raw fish anymore.
The octave pedal death match was eye opening. My current favorite, the Aguilar Octamizer, would be another great one to try sometime.
The discussion on the business of session playing in the 21st century from the Question of the Week was incredibly useful. I’m an older guy (not that old, lol) coming back to the bass after finishing a separate career and the world has changed. I’m an analog guy adapting to the digital world.
Bottom line, keep doing this podcast, it’s a win!
34:49 Scott says I have a life lol that was a good burn!
Huge SBL podcast fan. I love the insights on bass, on gear, on music and on life! I usually watch on the SBL site or listen on my Google's podcast platform. I'll give them a watch here to help support the channel. Love the energy!
Loved this.
New segment ideas:
1.Quickest to recreate a sound: Both choose a famous bass line (Dune Tune by Level 42 for example) and then both of you time or race each other to see who can recreate the sound quickest with the pedals/gear you have on hand.
2.Film a small portion, to play back during the next podcast, of something outside of the 'studio' environment. I would love to see Scott eat that raw tuna (it's really tasty Scott, you'll love it). I think it would be cool to have something as maybe a bonus feature at the end of each podcast where you play a fun/wholesome moment that took place outside of the 'studio' at the end of each podcast. Encourages people to hang out until the end of the podcast/video too.
Player of the week: Jeremy Pritchard, seriously underrated bass player.
Every podcast I listen to, all have video that I watch, so please continue with this format. I love the channel. Also, great subject for this one. I use pedals at home as learning tools. I use a looper and an EHX Freeze pedal to learn tunes and chord tones. I don't really use pedals when I play live.
You forgot the best: 3Leaf Audio and Cog effects octavers
3Leaf was there!
Broughton makes several, and ampeg makes the best imho, giant, but sounds the best
The most compliments that I've ever had (in multiple cities & states) from the sound guy (who after the show would say "Hey man, what kind of bass amp is that? That's the best sounding amplifier I've ever heard." etc.) was from two Eden WT-300's - one going into a SWR 8x8 and the other into a SWR 2x12 & that's it. Not one pedal for anything (we play heavier stuff tuned to C#). Another comment would be something like "the built in DI's in bass heads are usually garbage - you're amps DI sounds amazing."
So there's always the "Don't use any pedals" option out there if pedalmania is confusing you & causing sleepless nights, cheers!
EDIT: To be fair I am not a session guy working with various artists which will probably negate everything I just said. I'm just a bass player playing within one band.
Starting from scratch now, it would be hard to not choose a multi-effect. I chose my octave before these days, though, and still have it - an MXR Bass Octave Deluxe. For me it has a lot of upsides: tracks really well, has two entirely separate octave voices that both sound good, and the switchable mid boost is at such useful frequencies that I sometimes use it just for that bump alone.
I'm legitimately jealous of how much fun they're having
Tremendous fun to be had messing around with pedals!!!
@@devinebass it's all about your chemistry guys, magical to watch :)
Jaco's bass was smashed and restored when Jaco was still alive. He chose the look. It was stolen and went missing AFTER it was restored. Jaco played it as it looks to today. There is a photo of him holding it.
Hey there, thx for the shootout=) it was very helpful! I have a question though... How is the tracking on these Octavers (for example OC-3) for notes on a 5. String like B or A#?
I have the OG Discumbobulator, and I love it. Got it in a multi-pedal deal, and I keep an octave divider (the OG MXR) and a fuzz dedicated to it. My OC-2 is in a chain with a Brown Dog Gated Fuzz and the Source Audio Bass Envelope Generator Pro. I love the Source Audio pedal because you can program presets and EQ with it, so it kills multiple birds with one stone. And the Brown Dog is just sick. It can get very nasty, just perfect for driving a huge synth bass sound. But I like the big old Q-Tron Plus, too. That thing is PHAT.
Love this format and love the discussion on pedals
So individual pedals are always better because it gives you way more freedom to have fun! The actual question to ask is why do bass pedals cost more than their guitar equivalents? All they do is tweek the components to a lower frequency and we pay an extra £20+.
I listened to the first part in the car then finished off on TH-cam. Format works for me. I also pinched the shimmer reverb freeze trick for ambience and reamped a bass part in a quiet interlude. Just what it was missing!
The first pedal your man plays is the best, followed by 8, side note the channel is top shelf and constantly improving. I dig the little “asides”… the tidbits of offhand info that could only come from bassists with years of experience in all environments. Super informative
I love the new format. Been watching the podcast since you guys started it on TH-cam, and am a loyal SBL member.
Would love to see a review of the Two Notes Opus. I have one and I use it with my HX Stomp and I absolutely love it. It would be neat to hear your guys thoughts on it.
As for a bass player spotlight. There is a dude from the Toronto area named Dave McMillan who is a monster player. He is currently in a band called Big Wreck. He rules and so do you guys. Happy Holidays and all the best! 🤘
I like the idea of multi effect units but I also like messing around with the order of my pedals and building my own pedals so I err on the side of pedals. Current Bass board is: bass big muff deluxe -> diy animato clone with blend circuit -> ashdown octave (can’t remember the actual name, it’s the massive one with the uv meter from ages ago) -> diy bassballs clone -> bass chorus -> bass modded diy orange squeezer -> looper. Good fun and awesome synth tones available. All except the compressor and envelope filter have a blend/mixcircuit which makes for some interesting sound options.
First of all love the podcast format. I really enjoy the discussion. Also, some boss pedals have rubber pads installed under the foot switch to dampen the click. So your old boss pedals aren't worn out, they just have rubber in there, check it out.
How about Dane Alderson, would love to hear him talk about his time with the Yellowjackets and his signature NYBW bass
i fricken LOVE Dane's playing! :)
He’s one of the best! And you guys are sleeping on those NYBW basses, you’d love them!
I take Scott's point about the high pricing not being related to R&D cost or sound quality. I was lucky enough to be given¹ a Zoom B1 Four last year, and for me, it does all I need. I'm sure aficionados of more expensive multi-FX like the HX Stomp will claim that their preferred multi-FX is SO much better than the B1 Four, and that's great, but very few of us really NEED any pedal in that price range.
I'd say to anyone thinking about a multi-FX: get something relatively inexpensive like a Zoom and see how you get on with it, rather than jumping straight to "shiny objects" like the Line 6. You may be surprised at how the "cheap" multi-FX actually does do everything you need!
(¹ As a result of a chat to someone - NOT someone I already knew - during SBL Bass Space 2023!)
Re: question of the week, I've been at the other end of that exact same situation. A mix came in with a double bass line that had tempo and intonation issues; I have no idea who the original player was, but I replayed the exact same line as true to the original as possible, just with a "better" groove and right intonation. I specifically asked NOT to be credited as the bass player in that song. Not because I'm a good guy (I'm not), but because I thought it would be embarrassing for both of us.
Love the new format. Once a week, if possible , would be awesome
hey, Lee - once a week is EXACTLY what we're going to aim for :)
Love the mojo all analog octave, envelope filters flanger and chorus. Even though it’s a bit of a hassle with the Velcro, faulty patch cables, knobs can get moved and certain pedals are on when you power them up.
Absolutly love this format !Please carry on ! SUGGESTION : I feel like the live offering should have the ''Shed'' in there. Live Shed? Groove Shed ? QUESTION: Would Pedals and gear be diffrent for an active/Passive instrument? Thanks guys ! !
Pedals do tend to respond differently to active vs passive basses, John Davis (Nerve) has talked about this elsewhere online!
Love the interaction between you and your genuine discussion of things bass