As a veteran I wanted to take a step back from a 300 to a softer 250. I went with a Beta 300 SS (super smooth). Wow, what a wonderful bike. Easy starting, very mellow on the bottom but ready to go if you open it up and feed the clutch
You leave your text up on the screen for a nice amount of time. It takes my brain a few seconds to transfer from video mode to reading script so I usually end up going back over videos to read txt multiple times. No so with your videos, Thank you. Nice job all around
My Beta Alp has an electric starter. The first, and only, time I kickstarted it, the lever shaved a chip of paint off the frame. You seem to be making good progress.
Ridden for over 30 years my views are. The Beta engine is the same unit be it update but a 1994 and the GasGas a 2004 Unit. I have had Beta`s and Gasser`s and the most smooth and tame is the Gasgas 300, it is night and day in term`s of riding. Novice think get a small bike, but they are very snappy unlike a 300, I could not ride a 125 I simply found I had to wind it up then drop the clutch making grip difficult as they have no torque. A 300 just pulls which is great for traction and can be easily tuned unlike smaller engines. A larger engine on a trials bike does not mean loads of power its not a motorcrosser, it means torque, I had a go on a Gasgas 360 year`s ago thinking this will be a hand full and it was so tame and smooth.
Yeah it's a big can of worms about what bike to start with. Ultimately for me it's about enjoying the ride. I'm happy people are so passionate about it though.
Great video! With the gas gas brand selling to ktm are the trials sill made by the Italian former owners since I saw a review for a 2025 trial model. Are parts still available for older years I’ve heard they may be hard to get parts for in the future?
The Gas Gas trials bikes are still made in Spain. I haven't had any issues with ordering parts, nor have I heard of any friends, who ride Gas Gas bikes, having any issues. I believe they are quite reliable the only parts I've needed have been broken levers and oil plug gaskets. Thanks for watching the video.
Any beginner who chooses a 300cc trials bike, is destined to remain at beginner level, pretty much forever! 125cc is more than enough for entry level riders, and will mean there is a good chance of forward progress in terms of riding skills. The idea that bigger is best, is very silly in relation to trials, and would guess that very few of those fighting against bigger capacity bikes, know the reasons they are so widely used at world championship level?
Keep in mind a beginner at Trials may not be a beginner at motorcycles. I bought a TXT 300 as my first Trials bike. I also have raced Enduro's, Motocross and road racing. Most beginners at motorcycling who might fit your description, more than likely, do not know what a Trials bike looks like let alone what it is.
@@captainbob406 Even if you are not a newcomer to bikes, if you want to improve at trials, you would be much better with a smaller cc bike. Being overbiked is a very common thing in trials, and simply means forward progress is much slower. I was talking to an importer a few years ago about people buying large capacity bikes. The importers love it apparently, as almost all customers will buy parts to try and detune the bikes, and when that doesnt work, very often buy another bike of smaller cc...................lol The vast majority of riders, would get improved results by getting a 200cc bike.
@@humourless682 I agree that someone that isn't experienced should start small. That is the case in any motorcycle discipline. My 44 year old son is a great example of someone who has considerable experience (dirt and road racing) and last season bought his first ever Trials bike. He picked up a Sherco 300. He is doing extremely well on it. Yes, there is a learning curve as there would be in any discipline the first time you try it and, he (and I) is still learning and advancing nicely. I just do not agree with the general statement that EVERY beginner needs to start with a smaller bike. Not trying to make a big thing about it. JMO. ;-)
Great video. I was impressed at how easily you started the GG 300. Do you find you have to give it a much healthier kick than your Beta? I can occasionally start the bike flatfooted when warm. When cold, I need to use a stand to get a little higher over the kick starter. Even then, it's no pleasure. I have friends with the exact same bike with the exact same problem. I attribute this to me being an older guy (76) and just not kicking it hard enough. There is another starting technique that is quite effective and simple. With a cold engine, turn on fuel, and choke. Put in gear and roll bike back against its compression. Flip open the kick starter, pull in clutch lever and with no throttle applied, give it a kick. Do not push the kick starter down against compression. Once rolled back against compression, just kick down. She will typically start on the first kick and it is a much milder kick. Same procedure with a warm bike but no choke applied. I have thought about gearing my bike down a tooth on the countershaft but keep going back and forth on it. I just need more time on the bike. lol Good comparison. Thanks for the video!
Let me address the simpler comment regarding changing the gearing. I have not changed it and feel like I'm learning to use what came on the bike. My friend Josh changed the gearing on his GG 250 TXT GP, by going down one tooth on the front. He is happy with the change. Regarding starting the GG. 1) I use the kick starter to find the top of the compression stroke. 2) I give it a fast burst of the kick starter. Yes harder/faster than the Beta. 3) At the same time I very slightly open the throttle. To give you an idea of how slightly, the opening of the throttle only increases the engine rpm about 500 rpm more than without. 4) When using this technique and it requires more kicks, I change the spark plug. They are very inexpensive. Then it's back to one, maybe two kicks. 5) This works for me even when in gear, but I prefer to start the bike in neutral. Josh and Chuck, both riding GG bikes, have had success with this technique.
@@twowheelgeriatric Yes, I feel as you and haven't changed the gearing but rather, learn what came on the bike. You may not need to change the spark plug. After several kicks and it hasn't started, open the throttle (wide open) up then kick. It is probably flooded. I have had this situation and that seems to solve the problem. She fires up and I of course, shut the throttle the moment she fires before she rev's off the planet. Again, I believe my problem is just one of getting enough oomph into the kick. My 44 year old son, can fire her up reasonably well.
J'ai eu une 250 Beta Evo et c'était pénible pour démarrer. Le pire étant de ne pas rouler avec durant 1 ou 2 mois et alors impossible de démarrer. En 2024 si je devais acheter un Trial elle aurait un démarreur électrique ;)
Now that I've ridden both enough (the Gas Gas was new to me when I did the comparison) I'm going to do an update. I'll include details that answer your question.
Still recommend 250 for first time trials but a decent off road dirtbike rider. I live in ca U.S.A. and seems like in the used market I just see mostly 300cc. Are gas gas trials hard to get parts? Seems like that’s what I heard since the brand sold to ktm but I’m confused because I just saw a review for a 2025 gas gas.
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As a veteran I wanted to take a step back from a 300 to a softer 250. I went with a Beta 300 SS (super smooth). Wow, what a wonderful bike. Easy starting, very mellow on the bottom but ready to go if you open it up and feed the clutch
My friend Josh just bought a 250 and put his first hour on it today. So far he is very happy with it.
You leave your text up on the screen for a nice amount of time. It takes my brain a few seconds to transfer from video mode to reading script so I usually end up going back over videos to read txt multiple times. No so with your videos,
Thank you. Nice job all around
I've watched this video several times and kind of felt like the text appeared too long. So, thank you very much for your comment.
This was presented and explained so nicely.
Thank you Ervin. I also appreciate you watching as I don't believe it is completely in your wheelhouse.
@@twowheelgeriatric It's not, but your presentation is so enjoyably 👌
My Beta Alp has an electric starter. The first, and only, time I kickstarted it, the lever shaved a chip of paint off the frame.
You seem to be making good progress.
Ridden for over 30 years my views are. The Beta engine is the same unit be it update but a 1994 and the GasGas a 2004 Unit. I have had Beta`s and Gasser`s and the most smooth and tame is the Gasgas 300, it is night and day in term`s of riding. Novice think get a small bike, but they are very snappy unlike a 300, I could not ride a 125 I simply found I had to wind it up then drop the clutch making grip difficult as they have no torque. A 300 just pulls which is great for traction and can be easily tuned unlike smaller engines. A larger engine on a trials bike does not mean loads of power its not a motorcrosser, it means torque, I had a go on a Gasgas 360 year`s ago thinking this will be a hand full and it was so tame and smooth.
Yeah it's a big can of worms about what bike to start with. Ultimately for me it's about enjoying the ride. I'm happy people are so passionate about it though.
Great video! With the gas gas brand selling to ktm are the trials sill made by the Italian former owners since I saw a review for a 2025 trial model. Are parts still available for older years I’ve heard they may be hard to get parts for in the future?
The Gas Gas trials bikes are still made in Spain. I haven't had any issues with ordering parts, nor have I heard of any friends, who ride Gas Gas bikes, having any issues. I believe they are quite reliable the only parts I've needed have been broken levers and oil plug gaskets.
Thanks for watching the video.
Any beginner who chooses a 300cc trials bike, is destined to remain at beginner level, pretty much forever! 125cc is more than enough for entry level riders, and will mean there is a good chance of forward progress in terms of riding skills.
The idea that bigger is best, is very silly in relation to trials, and would guess that very few of those fighting against bigger capacity bikes, know the reasons they are so widely used at world championship level?
Keep in mind a beginner at Trials may not be a beginner at motorcycles. I bought a TXT 300 as my first Trials bike. I also have raced Enduro's, Motocross and road racing. Most beginners at motorcycling who might fit your description, more than likely, do not know what a Trials bike looks like let alone what it is.
@@captainbob406 Even if you are not a newcomer to bikes, if you want to improve at trials, you would be much better with a smaller cc bike. Being overbiked is a very common thing in trials, and simply means forward progress is much slower.
I was talking to an importer a few years ago about people buying large capacity bikes. The importers love it apparently, as almost all customers will buy parts to try and detune the bikes, and when that doesnt work, very often buy another bike of smaller cc...................lol
The vast majority of riders, would get improved results by getting a 200cc bike.
@@humourless682 I agree that someone that isn't experienced should start small. That is the case in any motorcycle discipline. My 44 year old son is a great example of someone who has considerable experience (dirt and road racing) and last season bought his first ever Trials bike. He picked up a Sherco 300. He is doing extremely well on it. Yes, there is a learning curve as there would be in any discipline the first time you try it and, he (and I) is still learning and advancing nicely. I just do not agree with the general statement that EVERY beginner needs to start with a smaller bike. Not trying to make a big thing about it. JMO. ;-)
Great video. I was impressed at how easily you started the GG 300. Do you find you have to give it a much healthier kick than your Beta? I can occasionally start the bike flatfooted when warm. When cold, I need to use a stand to get a little higher over the kick starter. Even then, it's no pleasure. I have friends with the exact same bike with the exact same problem. I attribute this to me being an older guy (76) and just not kicking it hard enough. There is another starting technique that is quite effective and simple. With a cold engine, turn on fuel, and choke. Put in gear and roll bike back against its compression. Flip open the kick starter, pull in clutch lever and with no throttle applied, give it a kick. Do not push the kick starter down against compression. Once rolled back against compression, just kick down. She will typically start on the first kick and it is a much milder kick. Same procedure with a warm bike but no choke applied. I have thought about gearing my bike down a tooth on the countershaft but keep going back and forth on it. I just need more time on the bike. lol Good comparison. Thanks for the video!
Let me address the simpler comment regarding changing the gearing. I have not changed it and feel like I'm learning to use what came on the bike. My friend Josh changed the gearing on his GG 250 TXT GP, by going down one tooth on the front. He is happy with the change.
Regarding starting the GG.
1) I use the kick starter to find the top of the compression stroke.
2) I give it a fast burst of the kick starter. Yes harder/faster than the Beta.
3) At the same time I very slightly open the throttle. To give you an idea of how slightly, the opening of the throttle only increases the engine rpm about 500 rpm more than without.
4) When using this technique and it requires more kicks, I change the spark plug. They are very inexpensive. Then it's back to one, maybe two kicks.
5) This works for me even when in gear, but I prefer to start the bike in neutral.
Josh and Chuck, both riding GG bikes, have had success with this technique.
@@twowheelgeriatric Yes, I feel as you and haven't changed the gearing but rather, learn what came on the bike. You may not need to change the spark plug. After several kicks and it hasn't started, open the throttle (wide open) up then kick. It is probably flooded. I have had this situation and that seems to solve the problem. She fires up and I of course, shut the throttle the moment she fires before she rev's off the planet. Again, I believe my problem is just one of getting enough oomph into the kick. My 44 year old son, can fire her up reasonably well.
J'ai eu une 250 Beta Evo et c'était pénible pour démarrer. Le pire étant de ne pas rouler avec durant 1 ou 2 mois et alors impossible de démarrer. En 2024 si je devais acheter un Trial elle aurait un démarreur électrique ;)
What are the gear tooth count for the front and rear sprocket for each?
If I counted them correctly the Beta = 10, 42 and the GG = 10, 39
Interesting. My 08 gas gas has a 46 rear and I just put a 10 on the front. Seems to have more low speed grunt now.
50mm thick bash plate……Crikey!!!
70mm bash plate. More crikey.
What part of the US are you riding in?
Southern Utah
Is one physically larger than the other?
Now that I've ridden both enough (the Gas Gas was new to me when I did the comparison) I'm going to do an update. I'll include details that answer your question.
Thanks!!!
Get a 250. 300 is way too much. Especially for a new trials rider.
Still recommend 250 for first time trials but a decent off road dirtbike rider. I live in ca U.S.A. and seems like in the used market I just see mostly 300cc. Are gas gas trials hard to get parts? Seems like that’s what I heard since the brand sold to ktm but I’m confused because I just saw a review for a 2025 gas gas.
Hi Jordan
Why do Americans say Bayda when it's Beta as in beater
Thank you !
I honestly don't know. When I've said Beeta I've had funny looks. So I just say Bayta.
@@twowheelgeriatric I give funny looks when you all say Bayda 😂 there's no A or DA in it and don't get me going on OSSA that's OSS a 🙄
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@@cm-oo1tdlike saying cafè. Just the way Americans pronounce it. Sort of like software that pre-final release, we say that and Bayta the same
What sort of stupidity is a left hand Kickstarter WTF