> Prometheus has his liver regenerate each day > We now know the liver is capable of regenerating up to a point > Therefore Greek Mythology is real Checkmate, monotheists. Why do you hate the gods so much?
The iron verse isn't even talking about iron coming down from natural outer space to earth by meteors. It appears to be saying that iron is a special divine substance that Allah miraculously sent down from heaven itself.
And in any case, the reality is that it's meteorites all the way down. It's not that iron didn't develop on earth, it's that earth developed from colliding meteorites. Before the meteorites, there was no earth. There was just a large cloud of dust circling around the new-born sun, slowly clumping into what we now call "meteorites" if they hit earth, then these clumps clumping together, and so on.
It's a supernatural explanation for meteoric iron. At the time most iron that was found, was found on the surface and it was known that this iron fell from the sky. This kind of iron can still be found today - just go out to an empty field with a metal detector and your bound to find some.
I was about to point that out that the verse is in the same vein as the god saying that just like everything, this is also a blessing sent from the heavens (read god) to the mortals e.g. just like the heavenly food that god used to send down to the mortals for a while...
The Kaaba, the cube about which pilgrims to Mecca walk en masse, contains a black stone said to be a meteorite in one corner, at least in part. I always look upon this as Muslims worshipping a meteorite as their god without truly being aware of its history. Then I chuckle. This claim in the video reminded me of it. I know it's Wikipedia, but there are multiple citations - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
As an ex-muslim, I'd say these "scientific quran miracles" were definitely effective on me when I was a teen. I kept believing these "scientific quran miracles" until my adulthood.
Hypothetically, if someone invents flying broom, wand that can move things and horcruxes using science...,will that mean "Harry Potter" is a miraculous revelation...? If someone invents a powerful suit with supercomputers, will that mean "Avengers" were the real prophets....? Hypothesizing miraculous things was done by every civilization in olden days...
But you pretty much seem to agree that an illitrate arab man who could not read and write, who never ventured out of arab lands, somehow knew all the scientific understanding in the absence of internet and google😂. He seems to be pretty much better then an educated man of today, who doesn't seem to have all these sophisticated scientific understanding even though having a ready access to internet. I would remind you that internet wasn't a thing in arab at the time and obviously people didn't have access to knowledge unlike today😅. More over people made thousands of scientific hypothesis in those time but a few were lucky to be accurate, and luckly Muhammad only selected the accurate ones, not bad for an illiterate arab. Let me ask you, where is your brain Mr. Sceptic ??😅😅
@@DarkWarrior_1 You pretend like he didn't have any friends, he made numerous false predictions if you even bothered to do 2 minutes of research, none of his 'predictions' were even surprising to an uneducated man. It's like an illiterate farmer noticing that a premature born goat looks (which was known 10s of thousands of years ago btw) kinda leech like, and then saying that Thor is the god of the worlds, and that's proof apparently? You pretend like Quran even has any miracles. I ask you to present even ONE piece of evidence he couldn't have learned from his friends. Islam isn't the only religion pulling BS like this. Try Hinduism and it's 'miracles' and how 'they couldn't possibly know all this', when in reality it's just as fake as Islam
@@flutterwind7686 you seem to have believed that his friends were some kind of highly educated scientists for that matter? His friends were his followers not the other way around. How many theories have you managed to know about from your friends?? Would you bother to tell me?? Lets assume that he had some kind of friends which had knowledge of science even though science was not formerly tought, how had they knew the right hypothesis and picked only the right ones out of thousands of others? Your argument is not logical and so does fail in its tracks.
@@flutterwind7686 And how do we know he was illiterate in the first place. It's impossible to know the truth even in this day and age, with the advent of internet, social media. We're talking about information 1400 years ago and even the fact that the Quran was compiled 20 years after his death. We simply can't believe all the details and every word because they can be so easily manipulated.
@@iknowwhatiknow3176 Google mooning. I'd recommend not doing it at work, though. And splitting the moon ... well ... in case you don't know goatse... don't google that. ;)
I love these islam debunk videos. I am an ex-muslim and it's very hard to deal with my people lol It's all but impossible to not be around folks whom we find disagreeable in world replete with cars, subways, buses, trains, aircraft, and-worse case scenario-our own feet as a means of escape.
If those 'scientific truths' were known through these books, they would have been known by science since then. The fact that science had to discover them, show they weren't told in the books.
Many things were not in books, doesn't mean it didn't exist. Same goes to Gobekli tepe or something, we had no books about it, but so far is oldest city we know for now. Anyway, here is a long comment from me not related to this video if you interested. I won't tell you what to believe or what exists or not, but here we go. Some facts are impressive, however there are some things explainable super easily and is not shocking at all. For example, fact 9, about burned skin. Yes, scientific tests maybe were made very late or some writings made about it, but people get burned ever since they managed to ignite the fire. People did burn their feet and hands, even burning "witches". Of course after heavily burns people realised they don't feel pain in that specific burned area, is super simple and even super expected one. About waves below and above... Well it is very stretched idea in my opinion, it doesn't really tell about what exact waves or how many different waves it is talking about. In my understanding it means waves below and above, meaning waves in water and waves above(wind). Am I right or not, who knows, everyone can believe what they want, but it doesn't say specifically about it. And mentioning wind as waves above makes much more sense here for me. Also about water... Yes, if you go so deep into molecule level, it sounds amazing. Although it doesn't mention anything about it. And to say that is surprising people in desert can tell water is life is so dumb. People in desert knows best they won't survive even few days without water. Any human walking in desert for a day or two would realize water is super important to live. So again, nothing shocking. About iron... I have no idea what it is talking about. Yes, I guess meteorites can have iron, however there is tons of iron in earth and under ground level. There is very high amount of iron in earth compared to other metals. If we call it un earthy material while there is tons of it under ground, then all materials are sent from the sky I guess. This one makes no sense at all. About clouds. Well that one is interesting and can agree on it. However I don't understand what it says about "but they turning away from it". Who turning away from sky? Or people turning away from God? As if it is second, it kind of makes no sense, as first part talking about cloud being protective ceiling, like a scientific fact, then just whining that people are idiots and don't believe or follow God properly. Idk, first part is cool, but second part I don't get what it means. Things like universe expanding is very hard to judge and people can believe what they want. Yes, that is correct. But people can tell same meaning that there are more and more people on the globe or that people starts to move to Mars. That "universe is expanding" can mean any of that. Such sentences doesn't say anything specific so if you know such fact, you will think ohh WOW, nice. If you don't know such fact, you will just think it means people are expanding, population and everything is growing. And that sentence can fit to express any of that. That moon and sun is rotating is very interesting. That one I can give credits and is surprising. However is also surprising how Shumerians(?) even egypt knew quite a bit about stars. Of course is hard to understand how much they knew, but honestly i wouldn't be surprised that egyp and mayans could know it and people forgot/lost such information later on. Or it just wasn't widely known, Idk, there is probably many things that people knew and information got lost within age. Could be one of it. However as I said, this one I can agree as a interesting fact.
Okay, I’m about to end this mans whole video with just a simple explanation. There were thousands of theories and predictions about science and 1 of the thousands of Theories is a fact. So how come the Quran chooses the one right fact out of thousands of the theories. Well u can’t say it’s because of luck because it proves many many many facts. However, you Christians fail to bring just one fact from your Bible . According to your Bible it mentions that the earth is flat circle and that we evolved from apes. This man tries to disprove Islam without even looking at his own Bible. 😂😂
@@amrismail1503 Alright so I'm not Christian, but I am an ex-Muslim The thing is, if the Qur'an "chose" the right theory to present when thousands already existed, doesn't this already debunk the idea that they were presented _for the first time ever_? And no need to worry about Christianity, just like Islam, it's also filled with bullshit This man debunking the "miracles" is also not going to "read his bible" He's not Christian He's an atheist, just like most people here
@@Den-jp4yu I think your missing the point over here. The Quran chooses the right facts out of thousands of false facts. And it happens throughout the whole Quran. This is a clear sign that it is from god. A random dude in the desert can’t figure out all this and distinguish wether something unknown in that period of time if it’s correct or false. And also you say Islam is full of crap and stuff, I wanna know about them. Cause right now I pretty much know everything about Islam and nothing came to me which doesn’t make sense. You are an ex Muslim right? What made you leave Islam brother. I want to know every single detail which lead you to leaving Islam if you were even a Muslim.
You see, "dawah" is a very great deed within Islam. "Dawah" translates to invitation. And that the Quran itself says, la ikraha fi deen (meaning "there is no compulsion in religion.") So I am here to give you an invitation, your complete choice of hearing me out and remember you wont be compelled into accepting :) To start off with this little side note, God knows human beings are intellectual creatures. Think about it: if a random person today claimed to be a prophet, what would people instantly think? They would think that "prophet" is crazy. God knows this. He created us. Obviously he knows us better than we will ever know ourselves. That is why God, Allah, sent signs or miracles with every prophet to give some backing to the "crazy" talk of all these prophets. For example, Moses split the red sea by the will of Allah. That was one of his miracles to convince the people of his time. Another example would be how Jesus raised the dead by the will of Allah. Even Christian's believe this. But Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was sent to all of man kind. Moses was sent to the people living in his time and the people living until the next prophet, Jesus, had been sent. So what if the prophet was sent to all of man kind? What is the problem with a miracle like Moses' or Jesus' miracle? That it can only be a miracle to the one witnessing it. Today we hear how Moses split the red sea. Is that a miracle to us though? Of course it was a miracle to the followers of Moses that saw it with their own eyes. To us, it remains a miraculous story but not a "miracle." So what is a miracle that can be presented to all of man kind even after the prophets time? A book. An unchanging, static book. This book, the Quran, IS the ultimate miracle given to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. And this comment will reveal only some miracles within it. Side note: I do want to mention how the Quran strongly recommends the use of the intellect. This book recommends contemplation numerous times. Hundreds of times. So look at these miracles with your intellect. "Indeed, the most disliked created beings in the Sight of God are the deaf and the dumb who do not use their intellect." (Quran, 8:22) "[This is] a blessed Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded." (Quran 38:29) There cannot be 100% evidence for God unless he shows himself. But the evidence we have is at least enough that God might (even 1% faith) exist. Any signs Allah gives are maybe not (to you) prove 100% he exists. They are meant to prove he MIGHT exist. Because if he might exist, if Islam might be true, if Heaven might be real, if Hell might be real, why not believe? If you agree with Islam might be true, you agree I might end up in Hell forever. What kind of risk is that? Is it even worth it? Anyways, These are some signs of Islam being true I have compiled: One out of many scientific miracles: th-cam.com/video/sYajKl-Xr6c/w-d-xo.html Watch this fully as the professor at the end is a famous EMBRYOLOGIST Dr. Keith Moore. The thing about this is: an embryologist confirms the Quran and NO (you can check) embryologists refute him. And his books of Embryology are still available and likely taught in anatomy classes. Why does he still have a career as an embryologist, his books are still out there, and not one embryologist refutes him if he was wrong? Historical miracle: th-cam.com/video/i1mSHELEn74/w-d-xo.html Mathematical miracles: th-cam.com/video/7JwubLNU63c/w-d-xo.html These are just 3 out of dozens. The Quran has so many interesting things within it (miracles + facts that arent exactly miracles but are correct and would be near impossible to have known in the 7th century. These just reinforce the divinity of the Quran). If I included it all this comment would be very, very long. If anyone wants to hear more feel free to ask. But... If you believed Allah MIGHT exist, then why not follow Allah? Either you, as Atheists see it, disappear and never exist again/whatever you believe. Or burn in hell forever. Does that sound reasonable? Even if you believed 1% God might exist, that 1% chance God exists and you will go to hell forever is not worth the risk. And the 1% chance you will lose out on eternal paradise is not worth the risk. So... being non Muslim *is not worth the risk.* Assalam alaykum (peace be upon you) :)
Chak Z's argument is nothing but Pascal's bet applied to Islam. I don't even need to argue against it. Just to say, he's guilty of the black and white fallacy( among others).
It won't be funny when you are in it. You thought you could outsmart God, didn't you? You would be burned once, flesh and skin gone and no pain? Nooo.. Get ready for the surprise. But, it is not a surprise anymore. He already warned you.
@Lxrd SiniXter God does not say he is always loving and passionate and that's it. He says he is also a punisher. So you are warned. If you don't listen then it's your problem. Yet he will still consider "a mustard seed" of good action that you made in your favor. He won't leave aside his justice at any time.
I confronted my father in law when he was telling my son miracle/science-in-Quran stories. I felt compelled to debunk each and everyone. Our relationship is a little frosty these days.......
Double Helix in this video the science mentioned in the Quran wasn’t wrong therefore he hasn’t debunked anything since the miracle was that an illiterate person spoke the truth. There are also many prophecies mentioned in the Quran that have come true which suggests of the idea of Quranic miracles
As an ex-muslim and a native Arabic speaker, please allow me Stephen to further debunk the actual meaning and accurate interpretation of some of those verses: 2- “We sent down Iron” means that Iron arrived to Earth the same time Adam & Eve came down to Earth, and the inherint strength refers to swords, spears, and pickaxes. 3- “We made the sky a protective ceiling” Most Islamic schools agree that the protection of this ceiling is from devils trying to sneak into Earth and not to protect against asteroids or meteorites. 4- "The monutains as stakes” this is just silly as Al-Tabri translations of the quran says that the mountains are put to hold the earth from floating away, just like a tent is held by stakes from the wind. 5- “and keep expanding it” this i s just inaccurate translation of Arabic, the verse says إنا لموسوعون The root word "موسع" means make vast or large, and the islamic translations agree the verse meant that God will make the prosperity or wellbeing of the people vast and wide, and had nothing to do with astrophysics. 6- “each floating in its orbit” whats funny here is that the word “orbit” meant a million different things back in Mohamed’s time, but none actually match outlr current understanding of the word. All notable Islamic interpretations refer to it as similar to the old stone grinders having opposite paths. Meaning whenever the sun is in orbit the moon is not, and vice versa, which is completely wrong on every level. 7- "which is covered by waves, above which are waves” I dont know how guy in the video came to the conclusion that the verse states there are internal waves. The word cover or qeshaa means someting that is outside or a boarder of an object. So the ocean can be said to be covered by waves, but where are the other waves external to those? This seem to be another fallacious scientific claim. 8- here the word forhead is another example of false translation as the verse actually meant the entire face, the word in arabic is Nassia, which means the front of the head (which is the face), the verse talked about a man who supposedly threaten Mohamed and God thretens him back if he were not to stop, God would shame and darken his face in humility and torture, then God takes it a step further and escalate the situation, where he calls on to Abu-Jahal for a fight, where he brings his people, and God would bring his people (the angels)
@reverted to the true and straight path It would be more convincing if you actually presented evidence. Do you speak Arabic? Have you read the Qur'an in original language and can give a counter to his argument? Can you present an argument where Farid has supposedly destroyed others? I also seen Farid destroyed by AP, but that is according to AP. Do you see how that works? It is easy to convince fellow believers that your side won. It is much harder to convince the non-believers that your side won. That takes logic and evidence. Be more specific. Be evidence based and less emotional.
@reverted to the true and straight path who the F said anything about Christianity, and who the hell is David??? I’m really confused, do you have an objection of the interpretations I listed in the comment or you’re just another ignorant theist who is trying to change the subject and shift the burden of proof? Really pathetic
@reverted to the true and straight path so you were born a Muslim and then became an atheist for bad reasons, then went back to Islam for worse reason .. what a terrible journey you had my friend. You see the true Islam wouldn’t have given you the chance to actually revert, according to the prophet, you should be killed as soon as you leave the religion. So if we followed the Sharia law, you would be already be dead and will go to hell “if there is such a thing”. And please dont say that its safer to believe so if God happens to exist you wouldn’t go to hell, this is not a 50/50 scenario because there is a million God claim out there and its really important to call god the right name and read the right book and practice the right religion. Its not like deists will go to heaven. The Quran repeatedly say that only Muslims will go to heaven. And even If i grant you that it is a 50/50 chance of your god existing, believing in him just to be safe wouldn’t be a genuine true belief, you would be a hypocrite. God probably won’t accept you either. You only prayed and worshiped in greed of heaven and in fear of hell, and I don’t blame you because the whole system is messed up. Threat of Punishment and the promise of reward is a tool that shouldn’t be used be an almighty who is omniscient and all loving, its a tool used by dictators and prison guards. I personally won’t even worship the Abrahimc God if he appeared right in front of me, because he is an evil misogynistic monster who promotes hatred, war, homophpia, and slavery. It would just be a sad fact that this beautiful universe is ruled by this angry devil
@reverted to the true and straight path *because the Quran explained why these guys will never accept my message I tried, I gave evidences yet they denied it.* You do not believe in Hinduism because you are not convinced. Not because you are naive, stupid, evil, or prideful. Yet, Hindusim will tell you that you cannot see the truth because of it. Islam is the same way. We do not believe in Islam because it is not convincing. Even Santa tells you that only the pure will believe in Santa. Stop using the same argument as Santa.
There's an even bigger problem with the second claim, the one about iron. Iron doesn't exclusively come from space. A significant portion of earth crust is made up of iron minerals (the crust is 8.1% iron by weight), and the core is believed to be primarily an iron-nickel alloy. There has been iron on the earth since its formation, and people had known about iron smelting for thousands of years before the Quran was written. The oldest known smelted iron artifacts are from 3000 to 2700 BCE. Smelted iron is also distinct from meteoric iron in that meteoric iron typically contains non-trivial quantities of nickel while smelted iron contains only trace quantities.
Yep. If the Quran had claimed water came from asteroids that would have been a really good guess that is in accord with (some) current scientific thinking not available at the time. But to claim iron only comes from asteroids is just plain wrong. 80% of the earth's core is iron. It didn't get there from asteroids, it was the majority of the mass that the earth formed around in the planetary disc 4.5 billion years ago. It's the most abundant element on Earth by mass. (4th most abundant in the crust). Oh well I suppose it just proves Islam is just another man made piece of fiction like every other religion. That and apologists really can't afford to do even basic research or the cognitive dissonance hurts too much.
@@zerozerozeroband 1. The Holy Quran never said anything about iron not being in the earth's core. 2. To assume iron was sent down???it was never assumed before in history. 3. Learn the arabic language before making comments on any book lmao 4. Muslims never claim to have discovered iron, just that iron was sent down 5. If youre having an intellectual debate, be respectful.
I know Arabic and the verse about the sun can very possibly saying that the sun and the moon move in the sky in a predictable motion, it doesn't necessarily say that the earth orbit the sun. Plus, Aristarchus of Samos have said that the earth revolves around the sun centuries before Islam!
Even if it says the universe is expending that would be ONE thing true for THOUSANDS of nonsense... Especially since you do not need any prerequisites to emit the hypothesis that the universe is expending, therefore that hypothesis could very well predate the Quran too (it's not as if it described precisely quantum mechanics and general relativity). It's expected for book of that size to contain at least one assertion that happens to be true ; there's nothing miraculous about that, that's good old statistics.
The bottom line is that when the Koran, or any writing from that dark period of history, talks about the "orbit of the sun," they are obviously talking about the primitive belief that the sun revolved around the earth just as the moon does. You don't get to say, "Oh! Maybe they were talking about revolving around the center of the galaxy!" That's bonkers. And if we could point to one passage, just ONE, that seems to say the earth does in fact revolve around the sun, I'll take that back and eat one of my shoes in penance.
the "choking on a bunch of dicks" pronounciation of koran? yeah, it annoyed me too... it annoys them more if you write it with a K (like I just did - fuck me if I wrote it down as quran) ;)
I am an ex-muslim and it feels great to have found myself (if that makes any sense). Unfortunately I'm only 13 and live with a religious parent which means ill have to pretend to be a muslim for a long time. RIP me
@Angad Singh nope this video is stupid, it assumes that the Muslim or prophet,in the case of the first miracle mentioned, went to Egypt, learn hyroglifiks which is really hard to learn and then put in in the Quran, this video assumes the Muslims looked through history, went all over the world to find these few miracles and learn the languages to interpret and they after all this work wrote it down in the most linguistic way possible in Arabic. This video is just sly and false
Actually geocentric model dominated in the western world. I can't speak for the other parts of India but I've been forced to read tamil poets that existed way before Islam and Christianity that spoke of earth rotating the sun in a very common way, leading me to believe it was probably a common belief that earth was not the center. But it'd be interesting to know if other cultures considered the idea as well. So yeah. People had a brain before the Islamic god decided to come along.
This looks a lot like the Hindu equivalent of what the Muslim apologists criticized in this video are doing. Rig Veda 1.35.9 The golden-handed Savitar, far-seeing, goes on his way between earth and heaven.Drives away sickness, bids the Sun approach us, and spread the bright sky through the darksom region. Other translation: The gold-handed, all-beholding luminary travels between the two regions of heaven and earth, dispels diseases, and this, verily, is known as the sun, and it finally overspreads the sky, extending from the dark interspace to the celestial region 1.164.13 Upon this five-spoked wheel revolving ever all living creatures rest and are dependent. Its axle, heavy-laden, is not heated: the nave from ancient time remains unbroken. So it's clear that these are hard to translate, but it's dishonest to claim they express scientific knowledge by inserting it by heavy(handed) interpretation. This is not an objective approach, it's starting with the conclusion (This has to be scientific somehow) and trying to make it fit somehow and ignoring everything else.
@@LeGrandMort I'm not a Hindu theist, so the other translation you provided made no sense to me. I also don't know sanskrit, so I just checked out the translation in my copy. And my point is not that rig veda or Hinduism is scientific, but that people probably did have common sense back then. As I said, we have several references to earth rotating the sun in tamil poetry. I don't think it was impossible for people to figure out the heliocentric model. If I'm not wrong, there was one scholar in Egypt who proposed a heliocentric model before Christ and mohammad, but his model was complicated. And though his model was wrong, he did get the heliocentric part correct. ETA: Apparently the first man to propose a heliocentric model of earth was a dude from 3rd century BCE, named Aristarchus of samos. ETA2: Went back, searched up translations and turns out you were right. The translation is totally misleading. Will delete the wrong info from OP. Thanks for telling me.
So your saying about Thiruvalluvar Thannuidaiya kaalathula miga sirantha oru meinyaniye thavira avaru onnum kadavul illa , onru bhoomi ya suthi suryan sellanum illa athuku nermathama oru karuthu kolluthal Iyalbu. Ithu ela mathathaiyum unmai padutha solra mathri tamil patrrarkal solra kattukadhai epdi tamil tha mudhal mozhinu solrathu pola, harappa nagarigam pesiya mozhikum tarkaala tamilukum neraiya verupaadu irukku, Namakku Seyyulnu kodunkurangale athuve yarukum sela varthaiku mela puriyathu apprm adha epdi neenga tamil nu mudivu pannalam, vera script vera varithaigaal , athu modern tamil kaana ancestor athu thani mozhi ippa tamil thani mozhi
About the iron thing: Although the arabic verb translates to "send down", it is mostly used in the sense of reveal, or "send down the book of god". The other uses are with water (rain), tranquility, and iron. So why would we make an exception for the iron being from space, while the others are not? If it really meant space, the early Quranic explanations (Tafseer) would have mentioned that, but most importantly, if we grant it that is means space, all other occurrences of the verb wouldn't make any sense at all. So it all comes to: "in this particular occurrence, it means sent down from space, because it's in line with what I already believe". More than that, saying it's from space doesn't explain anything, is it a dead star? is it two dead stars? is it a meteorite? is it god's poop?
It’s been 1 year since you made your comment. Hopefully today you are wiser and can see that you were wrong. You stated that Quran makes an exception for iron yet you fail to show the exception. Big fail. Sent down rain, sent down tranquility, sent down the Quran. So how is that different from sent down iron? The location of where it is sent from is irrelevant. I’m sure you don’t think rain comes from space do you? I’m sure you don’t think iron rains from clouds, do you? So using reason we can conclude that for iron “sent down” means it came from space. This is reasonable and in line with science. It doesn’t matter whether it came from a dead star, two dead stars, a million dead stars. Irrelevant thinking on your part. The POINT is that iron is not indigenous to earth. With that we can conclude that no human could have authored the Quran and that it must be what it claims to be....a divine book of guidance from the creator. However, If you today still refuse to accept this truth, then let me just say the following.....you’ve had one full year since your comment.....present to me one piece of work that you have done that will WOW me! Do it....or remain silent about the Quran going forward. You have had the benefit of 20th century education, access to advance scientific tools, technology, and social media. What work have you done since last year that will wow me and everyone else and keep us wowed for 1400 years....NOTHING! you don’t even need to reply. I know you have produced nothing like the Quran. Yet you are content to point your finger at the Quran and laugh. It doesn’t even occur to you the stupidity of what you are claiming....that an unlettered man in the desert could come up with greatest, most read, most studied, most memorised book ever with no errors of any kind.....YOU can’t even come up with ONE verse that people won’t laugh at....not even after 12 months have you produced anything of significance. Do you not THINK? Hopefully you have indeed changed and are wiser. I await your reply
@@BreakFix I agree with your point that one could infer the point from the quote but it doesnt necessitate the legitimacy of the Quran because as mentioned in the video the idea that iron was sent down to earth was present long before the advent of Islam.By that logic one could argue that Egyptian mythos is true.
" If it really meant space, the early Quranic explanations (Tafseer) would have mentioned that, " Thanks for proving that the arabs 1400 years ago didn't know iron came down from space or it would have been in the tafsirs.
Rationality Rules Thank you for spreading awareness and I hope your channel grows big so you can reach out to more people that don’t have voice like me so please keep doing this because you speak on behalf of us ✊🏼
Allah shall rain fire upon you for this comment! He shall destroy every infide... ok, im totally just being a jerk lol, I wish you well and im sorry that you’re in a difficult situation as far as social acceptance and openness of opinion goes, at least we’ve got the internet 👍👍
Because beheading for apostasy is a thing amongst Islamic communities, your God is so weak, so impotent that he uses his followers to do the dirty work. Religion of death.
20 Simple Reasons Why Jesus Is Not God...... • 1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6) • 2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus. (John 14:28 ) • 3- No one is "Good" including Jesus. Only GOD is" Good" (Luke 18:19) • 4- Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour (Judgment Day) will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark 13:32) • 5- Jesus said that" OUR God is One GOD" (Mark 12:29 ) • 6- Jesus also said "My GOD and your GOD" (John 20:17) • 7- Jesus fell on his face down to the ground and prayed to GOD Almighty (like the way Muslim pray to God). (Matthew 26:39) • 8- Jesus was tempted by Satan for 40 days (Matthew 4:1), while GOD Almighty cannot be tempted (Jacob 1:13) • 9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40) • 10- God is neither a man nor a son of a man (Numbers 23:19) • 11- No one can see god (1 John 4:20) but people saw Jesus • 12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12) • 13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11) • 14- God Declare Himself to be God, Jesus didn't (Ezekiel 20:20) • 15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice (Mark 1:38) • 16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13) • Jesus referred himself as: 17) - A Servant: Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16 • 18)- A Prophet: Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40 • 19)- Son of Man: Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27 • 20- Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24 • Quran>>> • They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers....( Qur'an 5: 72)
Man, you're appreciated. It's hard to find people with the capacity to argue with scholars and you used clear logic evidence and science... Love it. New subscriber.
9:20 - heliocentric views are much older than Muslim astronomers. Ancient Greek knew the Earth revolved around the sun, and that the sun also revolves around something. Chinese astronomers also entertained these ideas, as so were the Indians.
My friend I like these kinds of videos as an ex Muslim. My family was religious and I spent my childhood with religious people. I became more aware and less religious as I figured out my friends and family was simply lied to. I wish I found about the lies surrounded me earlier. Keep up the great work
Mc Seedated I’m so sorry for you man. You are brave person, I didn’t reveal my skeptism to my friends a long time even though I knew they would accept me.
#LMAO Aegle LAME LITIGATION MEANINGLESS BS ABSURD absurdity Obviously you're oblivious to the fact that there is no science in the Quran, and harry potter is a character in a book of illusions, Moses, known as Musa in the Quran, is a character in a book of allusions, you should look up those word's, illusion and allusion, as your contribution would make great script for dumber and dumber. #thewalkingDEAD #atheistFAGS
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@@hitesh8383 the problem is both sides think the other side is lying to themselves whilstnot listening. Or when u do listen and disagree they say ur lying... how can u argue with that :/
@@moonsaer That's the hall mark of closed mindedness... Majority of Apologetics and minority of Atheists are guilty of that, including ourselves sometimes
about the frontal lobe "mirracle", there is no mirracle in a metaphore, arabs used to humiliate their enemies my draging them by the forehead, that was a well known practice, but the muslim guy had to gymnastic his way into believing that it was meant to be a scientific fact 😂, the verse it self says "we will drag them by the forehead" (الناصية)، or something close to that, the arabs of that time knew what it was, no one said : what does that mean ? cuz it was obvious
And in some other part, when unbelievers asked how could God bring the rotten bones of people back to life, he said they will be reformed all the way to the tips of their fingers. Do you think people knew about the uniqueness of the fingertips back than?
This miracle is even more BS, when you know the context. When visited by guests, muhammad had the habit to compliment the one staying behind guarding the camels/horses/goats of his comrades. It was an easy trick to show his humbleness to the visitors, thus appearing wise and modest. One of those guys realized it, and stayed behind on purpose, to be complimented by muhammad as a good and trustful person. At that time, words were everything, and a prophet's compliment was like a 1 million subs on Twitter: it makes you important. Then the guy revealed his plan to all, making a fool of the prophet publicly. As god's favorite, muhammad couldn't take back what he said, without acknowledging his own weakness and not-so-divine-wisdom. That's how he accused the guy from treachery and lies, pretending he set the prophet up afterwards, just to boast about it. Thus the citation we got there.
And the sun was formed with dust from space. Everything in the solar system comes from outer space. His point was that iron was already present during Earth's formation, not added afterwards.
Jonathan Nicoll al hadid is on the 57th out of 114 surahs of qur'an which is in the middle of the qur'an. Or is it trying to say it's in the quran's core ? Wallahua'lam. Sry for the bad grammar bruh
Idk what you’re going on about, but if you do speak Arabic, you pronounce it properly. Even an Arabic speaker who is atheist, christian or whatever will pronounce it Kuur-Ayn or Kuur-On. Calling it a Koor-On sends up read flags. I’m not making a religious claim, just a language one. This is how it’s pronounced, unless you can’t speak Arabic. Has nothing to do with trying to sound cool. People just like to speak correctly wether they stand for the idea or not.
@@BigCC16 nah dude, most arabs pronounce it using their native dialect (yeah bummer we dont go around speaking the same way, let alone dialect) and koran is the english transliteration of the quran. PS he pronounces it in classical arabic with that very hard Q, which is basically arabic posh, and religious pricks love to do that
I’m a Muslim but I’m very skeptic of everything. And i like to hear others point of view. It doesn’t bother me what other believe, I just feel like there must be something that would be powerful than anything in this universe!
@@emir7233 yet again these "miracles" arent really miracles. the quran claims them to be miracles but he easily debunks these miracles with proof from other scientific resources.
@@ahmetodabasi1417 basically hes saying that people thought the sun revolved around the earth hence the verse in the quran "it is he who created night and day, the sun and the moon, each floating in its orbit" even if this was a metaphor and didnt actually convey a literal term it still wouldnt make sense because its saying that the sun orbited around something. while it is correct the moon does orbit around the earth it still doesnt correctly convey how the sun orbits the earth which has been proven false.
The post hoc rationalization is strong with this one! Just to be clear, I mean that this guy, like many theists and Nostradamus adherents, takes some passage of their favored book that is vaguely similar to some later historical event or scientific discovery and say after the fact "hey, my book predicted this even though no one knew it did until the thing happened! Prophecy!". I don't mean post hoc ergo propter hoc :)
vatican does that, too... it's called "Vaticinium ex eventu" they write the narrative AFTER an event happens, but it's written like a prophecy the so called "prophecies" are hit or miss... and there's more misses than there is hits... like way more... but the misses are being selectively ignored, figures -_-
Arin Jäger I didn't know that, but it sounds just like something the Holy Mother Church would do. Thanks for the info, it's always nice to learn something new! :)
Arin Jäger Yup. Though I have an involuntary respect for the Jesuits as I was educated from high school through college in Jesuit schools. But yeah, the Church may have been beaten somewhat into submission by secularism and science, so their indiscretions and largesse are not as bad as they were when they had the power over Europe that Islam now enjoys over the Muslim world, but they are still doing "dirt". And are, as you pointed out, still as intellectually dishonest as Islam's champions.
Hashtag that's not the correct pronunciation in the English language... That's like somebody from New York pronouncing it peh-ree instead of Paris, just to sound pompous and sophisticated. It's highly annoying and condescending...
It may already have been pointed out, but the primary source of iron in early times was meteoric iron. One of the treasures of Tut was for example a dagger with a blade of meteoric iron. They were aware that it came from the sky, as the heiroglyphs in the video indicate.
Yes, but the Qur'an meant "sent down". It just means God sends you things from high above. In addition to iron, Allah also sent down the Qur'an, rain, food, clothing and cattle. I do not see any apologetic arguing that Allah sent down cows from space.
@@Pooknottin I am not disputing your facts. I agree with you. It is just that Islamic Apologetic use the "how did Qur'an only pick the right fact" nonsense. I was simply pointing out that they are using "word-play" to make up miracles.
as a muslim i sometimes wonder... the real miracle of Qur'an would be... it had to be written in every language available to human beings and people will never contradict the meaning? After asking that the issue about the sun to rotate the earth is very well written in the Qur'an , when i started secondary school i was taught different then when i returned home we usually go to madrasa ... i had to ask this (among many other) my Ostadh (maalim,teacher) told me they don't want you to know the truth they just want to go against Islam... i was like OK i will not persue science nor mathematics... i will just stick to other field esp Art subject and I've always regret that decision... now i want to teach myself math and probably trying to understand my planet better ... i come to realize i dont need religion to be a better person and if you think you need it then you're not thinking wisely.... as humans we need to tackle our challenges as unity the way our educational systems are we are so far from being smart... but i don't force anyone to disbelieve but please we shouldn't mix our beliefs with education... after some critical thinking i am now not a muslim but a good person who will never harm anyone anyway (except for some insects who are my real enemies)... now the question is what do i believe . i believe there's some higher forces than US human kind but they doesn't need my prayers or anything they don't even care if i know them or not... so i will leave my best life... Y.O.L.O
Jumajas Jas religion is not just about being a better person but but acknowledging and worshiping a deity. Also please what do you define is good? What you think is good others will find it bad. If you believe in a higher power, do you think this higher power communicated with humans
You seem like a very intelligent person and you should have no trouble teaching yourself mathematics and science. Tell me, which country so you come from. I may be able to help you find resources. And also, what level of education so you have already in these fields of mathematics and science?
Imagine that there is a religion called "the religion of Nature" and that this religion has a holy book called "the book of Roots" and that its followers are estimatef by the billions. this book was written nine hundred years ago in the jungles of Africa. In the folds of this book is a verse that says: «Trees breathe like humans» And another says, «Every tree has a spirit, and each tree hears, sees and feels joy when the children play around it» What if Mr. Carrot (a follower of this religion) came to you and tried to convince you to follow the religion of nature? Saying it is impossible for the primitive African tribes to know that trees breathe, and that modern science has proved that trees actually breathe by absorbing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and release oxygen, similar to how humans breathe, by absorbing oxygen and emitting carbon dioxide, the existence of this scientific information in the book of roots is irrefutable evidence that the religion of nature is one true religion and scientifically proven. But if you take a look at the second verse, it is clear that the author of the book was not thinking about this scientific fact when the verse was written, but gave the trees human qualities due to his attachment to nature, which is to be expected from the religions of primitive tribes, he thinks that the tree has a spirit, sees what is around it and feels happiness when it sees children - which are scientifically incorrect things and he thinks that the tree has a spirit, that it sees what is around it and that it feels happy to see the children - which are scientifically incorrect assumptions. For this reason, it is not surprising that this book believes that trees are breathing - it is a belief that is consistent with its primitive views of trees. But he is very convinced of this scientific miracle. He tries to convince you that you misunderstood the second verse. It is a metaphor. It is not meant that the tree actually sees the children around it and feels happy in the same way that we humans do, but is intended to encourage us to love nature and take care of it !! Another person who follows this religion, Mr. Batiti, tries to do the complete opposite, he makes an attempt to convince you that this second verse is also true! And tries to convince you that there is a western scientist has proved that trees actually see and hear exactly like humans! He tells you that an Australian researcher named Markson Cartman conducted a study on the electromagnetic waves of trees. He found that the trees surrounded by children emit happy electromagnetic waves, while the other trees emit electromagnetic waves do not contain the element of happiness !! If you try to looknup this "study", you will discover that this alleged researcher is not specialized, and that his research is not recognized in the scientific community. Mr. Batiti will assure you that this study is correct, and the lack of recognition of scientific references to this scientist is only a conspiracy to hide the truth! Those responsible for these scientific institutions are involved in a global conspiracy whose goal is to combat the religion of nature, because it is the one true religion! What do you think of Mr. Carrot, Mr. Batiti, the religion of Nature and the book of Roots? You must know, that the advocates of scientific miracles, are no different from Mr. Carrot and Mr. Batiti of this example. This story, though not true, embodies the imbalance in the claims of scientific miracles. The advocates of scientific miracles ignore many verses contradictory to science, and hold on to the word contained in the verse, take it out of context, and add to it nonexistent scientific nonsense.
The religion you made up for this story sounds like a better and more peaceful belief system than any of the so called "one true faith" can claim to be.
@reverted to the true and straight path Actually no I was athiest long before I knew them , I used listned to arab athiests channels in 2018 and ducussions were Islam and athiesm.
28. How can you reject with the God, and you were dead, but gave you life? Then He will give you death, then He will give you life, then to Him you will return. - Chapter 2, Sign 28
@@azizurrahmansalarzai4532 How can I reject any idea not just Islam is bcz of abcense of evidence , Islam is a claim without good evidence, from the day 1 from when mohamed came out of the cave of Hiraa to the people of mecca told them I spoke to angel gabriel , he didn't provide anygood evidence in the quran he says I'm just a mear human being sent to warn you , well tough luck to convince people with such extraordinarity with such low level of agruments
Oh but its not natural. Its a miracle. So nothing is natural or everything is. It's just a point of view. Here's a miracle: how closed the open minded Muslim is.
I really enjoy collaboration videos like these! Even though I am already subscribed to both of you. In other cases they have lead me to new youtubers, new arguments and more knowledge. Thank you both
I remember when I was younger my grandma had said to me that it was God who had created the universe. And I remember asking with a deliberate pause, then, Who grandma created God. Even at a tender age I could not resign to "a therefore, God" explanation. I would see God as the older man's Santa. And if kids in the future don't ask these questions ,and continue to desperately look for the trivialest of things to justify their belief in age old fantasy books by authors that did not know better... then we have failed as a civilisation.
😂and that just proves it. We only have mentality of what we r told. We r told god created us then we say. "Who created god?" God is all knowing he knows everything
It's kind of mind blowing to think that there were already stars that had been burning for so long that they'd run out of everything else to fuse and had to start fusing iron when the Earth started forming. Sometimes it seems like Earth is pretty old, but the presence of iron suggests that it's actually quite young, at least in the context of the vast scope of deep time.
These "miracles" are what impress/dazzle many lost guidance seeking people into the book; those darn claims of being scientifically miraculous. And of course it also is the thing that keeps people in the religion. So before even watching this, I really want to thank you immediately for your efforts!
Ruzgar Liahnyn What annoys me the most is the fact that inventions based on science (electricity, cameras, microphones, laptops, etc) are used to promote these ignorant, religious ideas. We can call ourselves lucky that enough of our ancestors were _not_ satisfied with all the "wisdom" in these scriptures! Otherwise we'd still sitting in caves and talking about burning bushes (..well, the latter we still do, damn)
I think if you're a scientific person, it won't draw you in the book, it'll push it further, instead... make-belief is not scientific, neither is any of the so called "science" in the koran
Arin Jäger Absolutely, I'm just worried about the kids. You need a solid education to even become a scientific person, and there are so many children who are indoctrinated at youngest age to accept "God/Bible/Quran" as an answer to every difficult question. Bright minds who aren't allowed to use their mental skills and curiosity, in worst cases even scared with torture in hell if they disobey or raise doubts. Always breaks my heart when I see situations like this.
@Sopho Nax, To me, indoctrination = child abuse, if the western world wants to call itself "free", it should come up with laws against that (I know it wouldn't stop the theists from brainwashing the children and that they'd get agressive - as any animal pushed into a corner would)... hopefully the number of people leaving these shitty religions is getting higher by the day... but I too am sad to hear these stories from my "ex-something" (ex-muslim, ex-christian,...) friends... I can't relate, because I was born an atheist and always been one and I know for a fact that nothing in the world would convert me to any of these stupid-ass religions... My heart is already broken, so I don't think it can get broken even more, not even duct tape can fix that (and the legends say that the holy duct tape can fix absolutely everything) >:D some religious people don't even vaccinate... I also seen a case of children with diabetes or cancer and they tried to pray the disease away, guess what? The children after prolonged suffering DIED, because they denied them ANY medication... And they call themselves the righteous ones, why, exactly? Just because they beLIEve in some made up "god"? Sick
@ippos_khloros "Most apologetics are aimed at believers who are looking to assuage their doubts with seemingly-impressive soundbites." Aka saccharine sophistry.
Hey .. just found you through Genetically Modified Skeptic's video ... a video on the concepts of taqiyya, tawriya, kitman, and muruna through your lens would be awesome !
@@TheBrandgineer 18:86 Quran backed up by this hadith Abu Dharr reported: I asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) the (implication of the) words of Allah, the Exalted: The sun glides to its appointed resting place. He replied: Its appointed resting place is under the Throne. Reference : Sahih Muslim 159d In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 307
@@doncorleone2713 nice. Sunan Abi Dawud 4002 also has Muhammad stating that the sun sets in muddy waters. And I think the verse you’re referring to is Quran 36:38
@@TheBrandgineer So it sets in the muddy spring, travels to it's resting place, which is underneath the throne of Allah, where it prostrates and asks permission to rise again. Which would mean it would have to travel again to it's rising place, back on Earth again.
@@doncorleone2713 Yeah, that’s how I interpret it too. Muhammad was a flat earther, and he believed in a very primitive geocentric model of the universe.
I had some door-to-door Jehova's Witnesses around last week. They made the same claims about biblical prescience. Specifically the fact that 'everyone used to think the earth was flat' but that the old testament showed otherwise. It's all hopelessly transparrent.
Haha, that is especially funny when you see, that many flat earthers today are Christian fundamentlists who say, that the bible would say, the earth is flat
In addition to the Egyptian Hieroglyphics, I believe it was King Tut who had a dagger that was made of meteoric iron and I believe there were other ancient kings who had them as well.
It's really disturbing that he reads a passage about how non-believers will will be tortured and mutilated, and the damage undone so that the pain cannot dull, and his main takeaway is that it says skin has pain receptors, complete with a nonchalant tone.
I was born in a muslim country in a not so religious family. As a child, i wasnt bombarded with all nonsense and as a result, i grew up a rational person
In the third point he said '' protective ceiling'' and this is a wrong translation, it should be translated as '' protected ceiling'' ''22\32. And We made the sky a protected ceiling; yet they turn away from its wonders.''
Pointing out that iron came from outside is a weak point in itself - because that same thing applies to a whole bunch of other fundamental elements. If you go back far enough then the elements that first coalesced into the earth all came from the universe, so where do you draw the line here and why? Certainly all of this happened long long before humans existed in any form that we could identify with. This is just grasping for straws (most of these tend to be) - applying a short and ambiguous verse and extrapolating from that something very specific that first your preconceived narrative without a foundation to do so.
Yeah I was sitting there thinking, ummm everything came from space at one point, so why did it only mention iron? Not to mention how it doesn't say it came from space or that it was in the form of meteors. It says "we sent it down", which could simply and more likely imply divine magic. And who is "we" anyway? How many gods does it take to send iron? The christian god struggled with iron too. Those damn iron chariots. Iron is apparently the kryptonite for gods.
I was thinking the same thing... like, there was a point that everything came from space, plus we (as well as Earth itself) technically speaking are in space... we are in space even on Earth, because Earth is in space... The "drawing a line" reminds me of drawing a line between life and non-life (like... are viruses alive? most argue they're not... I disagree, but that's besides the point), or looking for the so called "missing link"
The text about the fall of iron from the sky in hieroglyphs was dedicated to the falling of meteors, not that iron originated from the sky and that the use of the hieroglyphic civilization at that time is limited to decoration only
@Jinn Genie But he did not talk about the origin of iron, but rather that there were people who spoke about iron before Islam, and I explained the idea
I think the question you both have to ask is how some dude in the desert knew all this. There wasn't much debunking, but correct assertions that previous ppl from other nations and civilizations had. I guess for a full thorough debunking. You'd also have to prove how this desert individual came with these correct observations from different civilizations.
An atheist is not interested in ' debunking ' as much as masturbating with her/his brethren in lack of rationalism.. and then feeling proud to be a product of haphazard.
You clearly are manipulated easily , mohammed is a character concept created by Arabic people , it was clearly a team who wrote the Quran , scientific people existed way before the Quran and Islam had the best scientific of the 7th century , why people don’t know that wtff
@@pappapappi9177 No but I have studied it , there’s no real prove of mohammed prophets just like the other , it’s always small evidence without back up and every documents about it are not certified
Let’s say those knowledge has taken from old books. How can he(pbuh) know which one is true which one is wrong? How can he take that risk and all hundreds of those miracles are being true today? Not even one mistake?
Prophets before Muhummabd pbuh also could have revealed this information. At any given snap shot point of time from Adam till today the truth is always protected by God such that a truth seeker will always be able to find it and get guidance. This means a truth-seeker located in any part of the world will find guidance at any point in history (50:16. 10:25, 15:9) Quran 10:47 “And every nation had a messenger; so when their messenger came, the matter was decided between them with justice and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.” Quran 14:4 “And We have sent NO Messenger save with the tongue of his people, that he might make all clear to them; then God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides whomsoever He will; and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise.”. Allah sent Messengers to every nation and He stated that they came one after another, as He says: Quran 23:44 Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation its messenger, they denied him, so We made them follow one another [to destruction], and We made them narrations. So away with a people who do not believe. Quran 35:24 “Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them” Allah has named some of those Messengers and told us the stories of some of them, but not of many others. Allah, may He be exalted, says: Quran 4:163-164 “Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nooh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), and Al-Asbat (the twelve sons of Yaqoob (Jacob)), Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawood (David) We gave the Zaboor (Psalms). And Messengers We have mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you, - and to Moosa (Moses) Allah spoke directly” Quran 40:78 “And certainly We sent messengers before you: there are some of them that We have mentioned to you and there are others whom We have not mentioned to you” Allah reinforces this concept when he addresses Muhammad Quran13:7 You are only a warner (Muhammad) , and for every people is a guide.
Wait wait, 1900 years before Muhammad pbuh? The hieroglyphic language/understanding was lost during that time until the Rosetta Stone was discovered in ~1790s, so unless your claiming Muhammad had a secret Rosetta stone then he certainly didn't have that information from that source to know that.
@@younesshbiddou6865 So why would the 6th-century Arabs not know about the iron from the meteor? Egyptians even created swords for Pharaoh with meteor Iron.
@@kyoungd more like why would the arabs know? i think you didnt understand the main point the hieroglyphic language was lost during that time until the Rosetta Stone was discovered in 1790s so muhammed and the arabs didn't have the access to the egyptian knowledge which lead us to the supernatural (allah) source let's not forget that muammed pbuh was an illiterate and never went outside arabia . another thing the greek and the indian knowledge was full of incorrect scientific and historical infos (aresto and his idea about the embryology). the point is how did muhamed pbuh collected this and what contact did he have with these resources ; so the only explanation for this is revelation (by the way the video is full of misleading infos i just exposed one of them )
@@younesshbiddou6865 So the Arabs knew nothing about Egyptian culture or knowledge? That is why I brought up the oral tradition. For a thousand years, the Muslims believed the Earth was flat, and the Sun orbited the Earth. The Islamic scholars rejected scientists of their time because it was written in the Quran. All you did is the reinterpret those verses to fit the modern Science, and all religion does that. I can ask you the same thing. How did the Hindus only pick the right knowledge if it wasn't written by God? Well, its history proves otherwise. Same with Christianity and Islam.
Any desert native could tell you that about water in fact the Egyptians knew that before Islam was a thing I might be impressed if they mentioned carbon anyone who’s experiences thirst can tell you that about water
my thoughts exactly! I was like: "so, some dudes got thirsty, some might even die of thirst, so they put 1 and 1 together and thought: well, we can't survive without water... so they also looked at plants that thrive in rain but wither in arid environments and need to be watered... so they thought: we drink, plant drink, water important!"
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq At least he doesn’t do adhominem like u. If u wanna debunk his stuff then debunk it with facts and don’t say that squealing shit. At least he didn’t claim that semen is made between backbone and ribs or the sun sets on earth. Maybe if u were not born into Islam u wouldn’t think like this because a Christian watching this would think that Islam is Retarded and when u watch a video debunking Christianity u think Christianity is dumb. Get it now?
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq There u are, pulling the same shit as u were last time. It does not say semen but it is heavily implied. When I get into argument I don’t call call the person arguing with me Retarded because it makes them less likely to want to agree with you and would make me sound childish. Btw that’s not the only error in the Quran. The only reason you guys think that the Quran is 100% correct is because it was written in Arabic so it has many translations which can say many different things and 1 translation could be wrong and one could be right, but I personally don’t like that. Couldn’t god have made his words any more clear? Why so vague?
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq ok I get what u mean now, but that isn’t the only problem Find while reading the Quran translation, can we end it here because This is boring, but if u don’t want to end here then I can do this all day.
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq I’m not insulted I just don’t enjoy have a conversation with you because of how Ignorant you are. And also is English your first language Because sometimes I say something and u talk about something completely different?
9 claims by the quran, that have either already been known by earlier cultures or are so vague, that using modern knowledge to interpret them, yields a prophetic insight. Now i'm just waiting on their video on "9 claims by the quran, that have been proven false".... I mean, they weren't just cherry picking, were they?
@@haqq4260 That's not what i wanted to see. I wanted a video of them, where they show verses of the quran being factually incorrect. You provided a link with out-of-context verses, that have been translated into english, with possibly words being swapped, and finally interpreted using current scientific knowledge. It's like them throwing a dart and you drawing a bullseye where it landed, while ignoring those who are nowhere near it.
@@thomaspriewasser6660 The Quran is not written as a science book, that is what you want right? A well educated person that read Shakespeare in high school and took creative writing knows full well what those verses mean. Maybe you could provide examples of what your confusion is. Also, maybe you could try and debunk this link, which you will not be able to. th-cam.com/video/Xp6H9IC__f8/w-d-xo.html
@@haqq4260 try number 3, as my past 2 comments seem to have disappeared to summarize the video: look my maths on the quran is incredible, therefore it is true, that we should do immoral things to people due to their sexuality, gender and for other arbitrary reasons.
14:07 how...gullible could those people be. If you touch an ember, it would hurt. If you cut your skin, it would hurt. Its not something of a revelation... Oh, the flesh also feel pain, stomach feel pain, throat feel pain, its not just the skin. Simple observation of how one's own body work will yield such conclusion.
Not to mention that if the person has CIPA, made use of permanent nerve blocks or Neurotcomy before his or her death would also not feel the pain at all since the author of the Quran does not know how humans truly perceive pain. In practicality, the person would pass out before they can endure the pain that Allah wants them to endure. The supposed punishment is an impractical testimony to Allah's ignorance.
I'm an Arabic speaker and know that that's the actual way you pronounce it but it also annoys me lol. He's literally speaking in English the whole time and decided to use an Arabic pronunciation of the word. It's just extra.
@Pri xolo if something doesn't matches with other written content,then according to that logic,harry Potter,Conan the barbarian and Lords of the ring is from God,but as we know,that these are only fantasy stories because they are scientifically incorrect so as the quran and hadith.
@Afif people like you,who read science from WhatsApp universities and madarsaas are biggest threat to future,either they will spread pseudoscience or will become terrorist,but just keep sociological point away,at this movement I will do postmortem of your faith with the scalpel of knife. 1st point you raise that science changes,what changes in science hypothesis[A hypothesis is an idea or proposition that can be tested by observations or experiments, about the natural world],what not changes is theory(A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.)only fools says WHOLE science changes,religion is constant but reality is vice versa. 2 point-you said earlier it was thought that universe is eternal,now it big bang theory explains that how universe originated.🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️.that what happens when a madarsachaap like you reads science from WhatsApp university. Its not universe is eternal,its HYPOTHESIS of eternal INFLATION of universe,by the way,go on misconception section in Wikipedia of theory big bang it says theory of big bang does not explains the origin of universe it explains the state of universe at that particular time period in past. Point claim by-how religion changes,before 1970s,in Quran it is written that the universe is created in 6000 years,and after 1970s after scientific studies when age of earth was known,your Muslim scholars added a bracket in front of that verse and wrote 6 periods,similar case is of a word interchanged for carpet[-1970s] and ostrich[1970-] egg ,this is how whole religion is changing,that too,forcefully by hypocrite people like zakir naik and Ahmed deebat but not whole science. Lastly-the person whom I admire,whose photo I have used as profile picture quoted that person who believe in God are fool. I would add that person who believes in God is also a traitor,because he use inventions science[phone,computer etc]to criticize science over a blind ideology called religion.
@@strongnon-theist4211 sir 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻,it was not just a reply,it was a tight slap to religion blinds whose sound would reach till their imaginary heavens,Well I would like to add that Quran claims about rooh and jinn.but scientifically these are disproved claims.so Quran automatically becomes unscientific book.by the way sir,the way you have replied,for a moment I though periyar ramaswamiji had came back and made a Google account such a strong glimpse I got while reading reply.after a long time a have seen a real follower of periyar.👍🏻🙏🏻
@@Bujuvaidya912 ji thank you,though periyar ji is no more,his thoughts are still living in my blood.And yes all Godly religions are unscientific,and their followers are blind.
"And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition." Al Quran 25:53.
The Hindu epic you had mentioned, of varahavtar (3rd incarnation of the 10), actually does not reference that universe itself was in waters, but rather simply the earth at the time being (in order of the dashavataras/10 incarnations of Vishnu, land animals had just begun to exist); the translation from Sanskrit to English kind of distorts the idea of the universe or the “bhramanda/loka” with just the earth (Prithvi). Essentially, the varahavatar was an attempt to give reference to the point when complex life (resembling that of a boar) reached to the landmasses. That said, it is just a concept, and it does not claim to be factually evident. The story itself is written as a metaphor about morals, so in the end it really is just up the perception of what one should take from it. Just my 2 cents here, hope it can give room for thought.
The hindu legend mentions the earth and the living things in it being sunken in water (Primordial/prevail waters) due to overpopulation. And then later on it is then brought out of the water due to it being rescued by a Hindu God. If you read the start of the article it takes about how Brahama lifts earth from the waters and begins it's creation. While later on in the article it mentions things like how the earth sunk due to the burden of overpopulation implying life was on the earth. Even if not, life's orgin point would still be from water. Due to sequence of events, just like how all life originates from the big bang cause we are here today. Thus meaning, the earth and all the living things from it come from water which is very similar to what the Qur'an states and in fact they both share the same level of scientific description and one claims to be a miracle somehow. Even though it does not claim to be factually evident, a similar concept can easily be seen here so to consider the Quran's claim a miracle seems to be quite interesting, when it is similar to something that is not even asserting to be factually evident. May i ask, why would God provide such a vague verse that's meant to be considered miraculous? God with all his power should have surely been able to produce something better then this? Don't ya think? Anyway you probably will not see this but here is just my thoughts i guess.
Debunking his debunk 1. he said that older people said that everything comes from water including life, but Quran specially said about water not everything, Quran because supports big bang and big crunch theory
As a somewhat thinking individual who doesn't immediately agree with the first thing I hear, this video physically hurts me. Not on the skin. Guess #9 is wrong
@@heckingbamboozled8097 It is either true, so I agree with it, or false, so I disagree with it. Ambigious answer is just ambigious. Meaning everybody will get it the wrong way. And we already have (far too many) religions for that.
But Robert Kelly I have to sit on the fence, the perception of the unlettered messages in the Quran by the uneducated intellectually challenged delusional schmucks is pathetic, and the wannabe Muslims have yet to figure out what the unlettered messages are as well, so it's like watching dumber and dumber, neither of these so called sides have got a bloody clue what Allah's allusions are actually alluding to
Miracle in islam that nobody knows. The islamic sciences has discovered long time ago that there is goats in space. No any others has done such discovery untill now. Great scientists.hatts off.
> The video Steve is reacting to will be debunked. > Despite people knowing this before me, I said something true. > I am the one true prophet, sacrifice your children for my god, the legendary Greek Biggus Dickus! (watched Monty Pyton today lol)
Yes, this is predicted by evolutionary psychology and the cognitive bug called the illusory truth effect. It describes how when we hear the same false information repeated again and again, we often come to believe it is true. This is one of several tricks that deludes people into following religions. Another one is childhood indoctrination, where the late development of the prefrontal cortex, used for environmental and cultural adaptations, is exploited to indoctrinate children into a false perception of reality. Unfortunately you will not find these real gems of true scientific psychology in your Quran though.
+ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq Who could argue against: That only a complete fool would buy something completely unseen? All gods praise such fools, and warn against questioning. Why is this, what would a god possibly have to fear from a mere mortal's question Apart from discovery of his fraud.... ?
In reference to your response for #8, you didn't refute that it was unknown that specifically the front part of the brain, near the forehead, was responsible for conscious choices. People knew the brain was responsible for thoughts, sure, but they didn't know the frontal lobe was responsible for concious choices.
here I am to refute that BRO 3 years later, first of all the original translation means forelocks, basically meaning hair from the front of your head would be pulled...pulling hair is a classic abusive method especially in fights where you drag someone by the hair, their head follows, and thus their body. Also, no science can definitively say the frontal lobe ALONE is responsible for conscious choices, anyone who had a single class/lab in neuroscience in college can affirm to this statement, you don't even have to be a neuroscientist.
I always wondered why an all powerful, all knowing god decided to deliver his message of truth in the form of a book? I mean, no matter which one of the abrahamic religions, all of them were written and put into practice in a time, where the vast majority of people were unable to read. Not only that, they are also filled with metaphors and even today nobody agrees on what should be taken literally and what metaphorically. Not to mention that for the information to spread, translations from the original language were inevitable, so even more inaccuracies and meanings lost in translations are inevitable, as well. Idk, seems like a weirdly inefficient way for a god to distribute his most important message among the people.
It was not came down as a book brother.. it came dowm as revelation and tens of thousands people memorized it and passed from generation to generation. İt only became book during 3rd caliph Osman when huge number of those people have died in a war.
@@mirzamuradzade7040 There is no evidence for a complete Quran dating back to the time of Muhammad. No archaeological evidence can be found of ruins in Mecca, no inscriptions, paintings, artefacts, coins etc. NOTHNIG! The entire standard Islamic narrative is just a fabrication of the Abbasids to cement their power and rewrite history after the Lakhmids and Sassanids were defeated. Why do you think Al-Bukhari was given 600,000 akbars and whittled them down to just a few thousand? Destroying important history to portray Islam in a positive light. The Islamic timeline runs contrary to the names, people, places, events etc described by non-Arabs/3rd parties so we know the story suggested by Islamic scholars and commentators is highly likely to be wildly inaccurate.
@@pennyhardaway7491 what a lie!! Just recently 5 years ago Quran was found in Birmingham university. After radiocarbom analysis manuscripts has been dated between 568 to 645. Look for evidence before u talk.
@@mirzamuradzade7040 there is no complete Quran from muhamds time so nobody knows what the original Quran consisted of. The current Quran could therefore be different. Birmingham folios are a small collection of folios. Most reputable academics agree it is likely to be from the later half of the 8th century due to the script style. Carbon dating tells you when animal whose skin is written on died. Not when the ink was written on the skin. It can be hundreds of years later since it was an expensive material often written on, erased then rewritten over.
@Jinn Genie What errors do you speak off? Errors for you is what your mind cannot understand. You do not deserve to question anyone's authority when your petty little mind cannot understand something clear as black and white to be even tried to be understood logically. There are zero errors in the Qur'an. Every error is inside your brain. Go figure. There is only one man in history who has been to Heavens door and has returned to describe it. That angelic being is our Holy Prophet. He is the most deserving out of any other being in existence after Allah. You think all that can be read is the facts. You do not realise the Being who created you, amongst his highest is our Prophet. And, Isa is our beloved prophet as well. Your words of hatred mean nothing to me. I do not have to do anything to hurt you. The first message till the last message all entitles submission. From the religion brought down to Baba Adam/Adam (Father of Humanity) and Bibi Hawa/Eve (Mother of Humanity) the message has ALWAYS been the same. The message was and is SUBMISSION. Go look up the meaning of Islam. Islam was invented by the creator from the very first day on this earth. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out. The Qur'an has been tried and altered. It may be electronically altered. It may be physically altered. But, the design of this glorious book is a mathematical equation. It is perfect. There is no book in the world to be compared with the Qur'an. The number of words, number of words per sentence, per paragraph, the sequence of words, the number of letters in each word, everything down to the number of times any word you pick out the glorious Qur'an to see how many times it has been repeated to understand it's importance has been calculated and written. No ordinary soul can write this or anything close to it. You and I cannot comprehend the knowledge of the Being Who created this.
@Jinn Genie @Jinn Genie The Islamic world is the fastest growing religion in the world. We are 24.9% as of 2020. That is 1.9 Billion people. We are second only to our Christian brothers. The youngest boy in History learned the Holy Qur'an by heart. He is 3 YEARS OLD. You talk about 8 year olds. This the beauty of the Qur'an that people like you are too blind to see. Stab yourself. Try it. Can you see the pain? Why can't you see the pain? But, you can feel it. Plants cry when you cut them, it is because they are alive and feel pain. Why was the Frankenstein goat that was brought back to life, die? We have souls. Do you know the weight of a soul? See any person who has deceased, see their weight before and after they have perished. That is the weight of the soul. Can you see the soul? No, but you know it's there. Can you see pain? No, but you know it's there. Doctors can show you the cut, they can't show you what pain is. Can we see God? No, but we know HE is there. And, when this world ends, and it will, we pray we are amongst the few who get chosen. Insha'Allah (By the will of God). I will send no more messages to you. I will repeat the same message I wrote first. I hope you find light at the end of your journey. Insha'Allah.
@Jinn Genie 'Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe'. (AL BAQARA - 6)
Me as a muslim .. its really hard watching all these videos on youtube like imagine spending your whole life believing in something and then slowly not finding anything that would prove youre right .. its like I don't wanna believe it cause maybe the most powerful thing is the change of mind
the problem here is i can almost swear you have not read the whole quran in english and did tafsir with the hadith. and honestly brother , if you re holding on to islam only beacuse you were born into it , it might not do you any good , i belive you shoud just let go , if you dnt understand the reason you re holding on to it thn i am sure your whole ife is filled with doubts, so you re just sitting there waiting for things to go wrong and use it as claim, but in reality thats not the case, you have no faith basicaly because you re ignorant of it, its actually that simple .
@@abdulhakeemsanni7937 Yes. All sane people should let go of Islam. It is to diluted, too sexist and too homophobic and simply way out of date. Let's live in the real world 2018. Live the moment, forget old-fashioned excuses for male dominated religions.
@@vervoid73 yeah the funny thing, every religion is that which you state above, a little more than Islam if you have ever taken your time to read the scriptures, w just decided to follow ours to the letter while other chose to be liberal about theirs. i can wholeheartedly tell 80% of everything banned in islam is banned in Judaism and Christianity. and as per your excuse to what you call "male domination", it is not attributed to any religion it has been and will alway s be, its their in all religion and it is not male domination, lool, if just never took your time to look past what you re been fed by the mainstream media and that's very sad and pitiful , so from what youve written above i am almost sure you have no knowledge of any religious scripture, none whatsoever , and sadly you have none of the left idealogs you claim to be, cos if you really do you will see you re the virus eating up humanity, stats show that , suicide rate is plummeting (20%)in America yet that of trans and gay is on the rise at 40%. and isn't it funny that a religion that is so sexist (islam ) is the fastest growing religion in the world and most of the new converts are WOMEN
Great video, on both the great hosts behalves ^^ And I might be a little mean for saying this, but I really cannot stand the way "Quran" is pronounced.
I would hesitate to say that about my worst enemy and my best friend all the same ^^; I grew up part of my childhood in Canada, and all jokes on stereotypes aside, it really ingrained the politeness sensibility in me. Cheers!
About the iron verse: Quran also says that many other things were sent from above which simply implies that god gave many things to mankind from above (heavens).
iam 13 and i've been an ex muslim for a year or two now, it feels so liberating knowing nothing i do is a sin but, i have to hide it from my parents and my extremely religious school (that goes out of its way to make us pray for an hour). i will definately move out for college, if i didn't have my online friends i don't know if i would be able to go through this for 2 years.
@@fenr1r999 But he's speaking in English, for example the word yoghurt comes from Turkish (yoğurt, ğ is not pronounced but used as a vowel lengthener) but still, we pronounce it different from the Turks This is English
@@1degabyte238 No that is not the same thing. The word yoghurt has been anglicised to the point where it exists as a distinct English word, the etymology is irrelevant. The Qu'ran is an Arabic word, not an English word. This is the pronunciation, since the letter/sound represented by "q" doesn't exist in the English language
@@fenr1r999 even if, we were also making fun of Arabic anyway. I came and went to places with alot of Muslims and that's how they pronounce everything. They hack up a furball QU*chokes* RAN
8:05 Quran Surah 3:7 It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.
@@greatwarrior4795 All of what atheists are doing right now was predicted by the qur'an hh... You will keep attacking the unspecific verses until science reaches that point where it'll prove the qur'an true, as it actually did with all the other verses. One thing left which science did not mention anything about is the existence of seven universes and only seven earths.
@@greatwarrior4795 I assure you that even if NASA discovers seven universes and seven earths, there will be still atheists saying:"I can't believe in God because I can't see him." Hahaha...The surprising thing is that atheists believe in many things they never saw, but when it comes to their creator they can't believe in him.
@Cynical Skeptic Did you know that God sent 140.000 prophets including 313 messengers throughout history? Did you know this seven heavens verse exists even in the Torah that was sent to Moses 2000 BC or more? So if God sent down 313 messengers, he won't tell some people there are seven heavens and others the opposite. If it exists in the greek or indian mythology, it is just a proof that all religions were the same, till people changed them.
@Cynical Skeptic N.B: I never said the qur'an was special. 90% of the stories in the qur'an do exist in the bible, it just proves that judaism and christianity are true religions, and corrects other things about them. We, as muslims, do not claim the qur'an is any better than Torah or The book of psalms... They are all the word of God...
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> Prometheus has his liver regenerate each day
> We now know the liver is capable of regenerating up to a point
> Therefore Greek Mythology is real
Checkmate, monotheists. Why do you hate the gods so much?
Ooo that was a good one. I gotta use that
hahahaha that's "precious"
All hail the mighty God Zeus!
As an alcoholic, you can't imagine how useful it is, for a liver to regenerate every day...
This comment is EPIC (a Greek epic, of course) ;)
The iron verse isn't even talking about iron coming down from natural outer space to earth by meteors. It appears to be saying that iron is a special divine substance that Allah miraculously sent down from heaven itself.
And in any case, the reality is that it's meteorites all the way down. It's not that iron didn't develop on earth, it's that earth developed from colliding meteorites. Before the meteorites, there was no earth. There was just a large cloud of dust circling around the new-born sun, slowly clumping into what we now call "meteorites" if they hit earth, then these clumps clumping together, and so on.
It's a supernatural explanation for meteoric iron. At the time most iron that was found, was found on the surface and it was known that this iron fell from the sky. This kind of iron can still be found today - just go out to an empty field with a metal detector and your bound to find some.
I was about to point that out that the verse is in the same vein as the god saying that just like everything, this is also a blessing sent from the heavens (read god) to the mortals e.g. just like the heavenly food that god used to send down to the mortals for a while...
The Kaaba, the cube about which pilgrims to Mecca walk en masse, contains a black stone said to be a meteorite in one corner, at least in part. I always look upon this as Muslims worshipping a meteorite as their god without truly being aware of its history. Then I chuckle. This claim in the video reminded me of it.
I know it's Wikipedia, but there are multiple citations - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
That's what i was getting also
As an ex-muslim, I'd say these "scientific quran miracles" were definitely effective on me when I was a teen. I kept believing these "scientific quran miracles" until my adulthood.
Same with me, the minor signs of judgement day and scientific miracles (yes ik that's an oxymoron lol).
Do you mind if I ask you some questions? I'm not a Muslim
@@Kree-gr5gs Hm?
may allah be with you
How many rakats in surah fatiha?
Hypothetically, if someone invents flying broom, wand that can move things and horcruxes using science...,will that mean "Harry Potter" is a miraculous revelation...?
If someone invents a powerful suit with supercomputers, will that mean "Avengers" were the real prophets....?
Hypothesizing miraculous things was done by every civilization in olden days...
good one!!!
But you pretty much seem to agree that an illitrate arab man who could not read and write, who never ventured out of arab lands, somehow knew all the scientific understanding in the absence of internet and google😂. He seems to be pretty much better then an educated man of today, who doesn't seem to have all these sophisticated scientific understanding even though having a ready access to internet. I would remind you that internet wasn't a thing in arab at the time and obviously people didn't have access to knowledge unlike today😅. More over people made thousands of scientific hypothesis in those time but a few were lucky to be accurate, and luckly Muhammad only selected the accurate ones, not bad for an illiterate arab. Let me ask you, where is your brain Mr. Sceptic ??😅😅
@@DarkWarrior_1 You pretend like he didn't have any friends, he made numerous false predictions if you even bothered to do 2 minutes of research, none of his 'predictions' were even surprising to an uneducated man. It's like an illiterate farmer noticing that a premature born goat looks (which was known 10s of thousands of years ago btw) kinda leech like, and then saying that Thor is the god of the worlds, and that's proof apparently?
You pretend like Quran even has any miracles. I ask you to present even ONE piece of evidence he couldn't have learned from his friends. Islam isn't the only religion pulling BS like this. Try Hinduism and it's 'miracles' and how 'they couldn't possibly know all this', when in reality it's just as fake as Islam
@@flutterwind7686 you seem to have believed that his friends were some kind of highly educated scientists for that matter? His friends were his followers not the other way around. How many theories have you managed to know about from your friends?? Would you bother to tell me?? Lets assume that he had some kind of friends which had knowledge of science even though science was not formerly tought, how had they knew the right hypothesis and picked only the right ones out of thousands of others? Your argument is not logical and so does fail in its tracks.
@@flutterwind7686 And how do we know he was illiterate in the first place. It's impossible to know the truth even in this day and age, with the advent of internet, social media. We're talking about information 1400 years ago and even the fact that the Quran was compiled 20 years after his death. We simply can't believe all the details and every word because they can be so easily manipulated.
Muslims always talk about "Muhammad splitting the moon in half"
But they fail to mention when he actually put the moon back together.
Hmm... splitting the moon in half... could it be that the custom of "mooning" people is older than we thought?
What that supposed to mean?
@@iknowwhatiknow3176 Google mooning. I'd recommend not doing it at work, though.
And splitting the moon ... well ... in case you don't know goatse... don't google that. ;)
@@0x777 stay away from public
@@iknowwhatiknow3176 Why? I am not the one splitting the moon, ya know...
God dammit, I still have a headache from these claims... Thanks for having me on!
Genetically Modified Skeptic still gotta give props on the debunk using science and evidence.
Going to check out your channel :)
revelwoodie Woo! Hope you like it!
Yep, just subscribed after watching your video on Jordan Peterson's pseudoscience.
Allah dammit, the Quranic BS meter is going to explode!
I love these islam debunk videos.
I am an ex-muslim and it's very hard to deal with my people lol
Same here bro
Same
Stay safe guys
I love these islam debunk videos.
I am an ex-muslim and it's very hard to deal with my people lol
It's all but impossible to not be around folks whom we find disagreeable in world replete with cars, subways, buses, trains, aircraft, and-worse case scenario-our own feet as a means of escape.
you're a hero man, an example that every muslim should follow :D
If those 'scientific truths' were known through these books, they would have been known by science since then. The fact that science had to discover them, show they weren't told in the books.
Many things were not in books, doesn't mean it didn't exist. Same goes to Gobekli tepe or something, we had no books about it, but so far is oldest city we know for now. Anyway, here is a long comment from me not related to this video if you interested. I won't tell you what to believe or what exists or not, but here we go.
Some facts are impressive, however there are some things explainable super easily and is not shocking at all.
For example, fact 9, about burned skin. Yes, scientific tests maybe were made very late or some writings made about it, but people get burned ever since they managed to ignite the fire. People did burn their feet and hands, even burning "witches". Of course after heavily burns people realised they don't feel pain in that specific burned area, is super simple and even super expected one.
About waves below and above... Well it is very stretched idea in my opinion, it doesn't really tell about what exact waves or how many different waves it is talking about. In my understanding it means waves below and above, meaning waves in water and waves above(wind). Am I right or not, who knows, everyone can believe what they want, but it doesn't say specifically about it. And mentioning wind as waves above makes much more sense here for me.
Also about water... Yes, if you go so deep into molecule level, it sounds amazing. Although it doesn't mention anything about it. And to say that is surprising people in desert can tell water is life is so dumb. People in desert knows best they won't survive even few days without water. Any human walking in desert for a day or two would realize water is super important to live. So again, nothing shocking.
About iron... I have no idea what it is talking about. Yes, I guess meteorites can have iron, however there is tons of iron in earth and under ground level. There is very high amount of iron in earth compared to other metals. If we call it un earthy material while there is tons of it under ground, then all materials are sent from the sky I guess. This one makes no sense at all.
About clouds. Well that one is interesting and can agree on it. However I don't understand what it says about "but they turning away from it". Who turning away from sky? Or people turning away from God? As if it is second, it kind of makes no sense, as first part talking about cloud being protective ceiling, like a scientific fact, then just whining that people are idiots and don't believe or follow God properly. Idk, first part is cool, but second part I don't get what it means.
Things like universe expanding is very hard to judge and people can believe what they want. Yes, that is correct. But people can tell same meaning that there are more and more people on the globe or that people starts to move to Mars. That "universe is expanding" can mean any of that. Such sentences doesn't say anything specific so if you know such fact, you will think ohh WOW, nice. If you don't know such fact, you will just think it means people are expanding, population and everything is growing. And that sentence can fit to express any of that.
That moon and sun is rotating is very interesting. That one I can give credits and is surprising. However is also surprising how Shumerians(?) even egypt knew quite a bit about stars. Of course is hard to understand how much they knew, but honestly i wouldn't be surprised that egyp and mayans could know it and people forgot/lost such information later on. Or it just wasn't widely known, Idk, there is probably many things that people knew and information got lost within age. Could be one of it. However as I said, this one I can agree as a interesting fact.
If only the scientists had believed
Okay, I’m about to end this mans whole video with just a simple explanation.
There were thousands of theories and predictions about science and 1 of the thousands of Theories is a fact. So how come the Quran chooses the one right fact out of thousands of the theories. Well u can’t say it’s because of luck because it proves many many many facts. However, you Christians fail to bring just one fact from your Bible . According to your Bible it mentions that the earth is flat circle and that we evolved from apes. This man tries to disprove Islam without even looking at his own Bible. 😂😂
@@amrismail1503 Alright so I'm not Christian, but I am an ex-Muslim
The thing is, if the Qur'an "chose" the right theory to present when thousands already existed, doesn't this already debunk the idea that they were presented _for the first time ever_?
And no need to worry about Christianity, just like Islam, it's also filled with bullshit
This man debunking the "miracles" is also not going to "read his bible"
He's not Christian
He's an atheist, just like most people here
@@Den-jp4yu I think your missing the point over here. The Quran chooses the right facts out of thousands of false facts. And it happens throughout the whole Quran. This is a clear sign that it is from god. A random dude in the desert can’t figure out all this and distinguish wether something unknown in that period of time if it’s correct or false.
And also you say Islam is full of crap and stuff, I wanna know about them. Cause right now I pretty much know everything about Islam and nothing came to me which doesn’t make sense. You are an ex Muslim right? What made you leave Islam brother. I want to know every single detail which lead you to leaving Islam if you were even a Muslim.
Amazing!! And there's more!!! The holy quran also mentioned we have 10 fingers centuries before we discovered this ourselves.
@@chrischow9085 This be a joke.
You see, "dawah" is a very great deed within Islam. "Dawah" translates to invitation.
And that the Quran itself says, la ikraha fi deen (meaning "there is no compulsion in religion.")
So I am here to give you an invitation, your complete choice of hearing me out and remember you wont be compelled into accepting :)
To start off with this little side note, God knows human beings are intellectual creatures. Think about it: if a random person today claimed to be a prophet, what would people instantly think? They would think that "prophet" is crazy.
God knows this. He created us. Obviously he knows us better than we will ever know ourselves.
That is why God, Allah, sent signs or miracles with every prophet to give some backing to the "crazy" talk of all these prophets.
For example, Moses split the red sea by the will of Allah. That was one of his miracles to convince the people of his time.
Another example would be how Jesus raised the dead by the will of Allah. Even Christian's believe this.
But Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was sent to all of man kind. Moses was sent to the people living in his time and the people living until the next prophet, Jesus, had been sent.
So what if the prophet was sent to all of man kind?
What is the problem with a miracle like Moses' or Jesus' miracle?
That it can only be a miracle to the one witnessing it. Today we hear how Moses split the red sea. Is that a miracle to us though?
Of course it was a miracle to the followers of Moses that saw it with their own eyes. To us, it remains a miraculous story but not a "miracle."
So what is a miracle that can be presented to all of man kind even after the prophets time?
A book. An unchanging, static book.
This book, the Quran, IS the ultimate miracle given to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.
And this comment will reveal only some miracles within it.
Side note: I do want to mention how the Quran strongly recommends the use of the intellect. This book recommends contemplation numerous times. Hundreds of times.
So look at these miracles with your intellect.
"Indeed, the most disliked created beings in the Sight of God are the deaf and the dumb who do not use their intellect." (Quran, 8:22)
"[This is] a blessed Book which We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], that they might reflect upon its verses and that those of understanding would be reminded."
(Quran 38:29)
There cannot be 100% evidence for God unless he shows himself. But the evidence we have is at least enough that God might (even 1% faith) exist.
Any signs Allah gives are maybe not (to you) prove 100% he exists. They are meant to prove he MIGHT exist. Because if he might exist, if Islam might be true, if Heaven might be real, if Hell might be real, why not believe? If you agree with Islam might be true, you agree I might end up in Hell forever. What kind of risk is that? Is it even worth it?
Anyways,
These are some signs of Islam being true I have compiled:
One out of many scientific miracles: th-cam.com/video/sYajKl-Xr6c/w-d-xo.html
Watch this fully as the professor at the end is a famous EMBRYOLOGIST Dr. Keith Moore.
The thing about this is: an embryologist confirms the Quran and NO (you can check) embryologists refute him. And his books of Embryology are still available and likely taught in anatomy classes. Why does he still have a career as an embryologist, his books are still out there, and not one embryologist refutes him if he was wrong?
Historical miracle: th-cam.com/video/i1mSHELEn74/w-d-xo.html
Mathematical miracles: th-cam.com/video/7JwubLNU63c/w-d-xo.html
These are just 3 out of dozens. The Quran has so many interesting things within it (miracles + facts that arent exactly miracles but are correct and would be near impossible to have known in the 7th century. These just reinforce the divinity of the Quran). If I included it all this comment would be very, very long. If anyone wants to hear more feel free to ask.
But...
If you believed Allah MIGHT exist, then why not follow Allah?
Either you, as Atheists see it, disappear and never exist again/whatever you believe.
Or burn in hell forever.
Does that sound reasonable?
Even if you believed 1% God might exist, that 1% chance God exists and you will go to hell forever is not worth the risk.
And the 1% chance you will lose out on eternal paradise is not worth the risk.
So... being non Muslim *is not worth the risk.*
Assalam alaykum (peace be upon you) :)
Brilliant 😂😂👍
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Chak Z's argument is nothing but Pascal's bet applied to Islam. I don't even need to argue against it. Just to say, he's guilty of the black and white fallacy( among others).
'Skin burned off and then regenerated so it can be burned off again'...OMG...it predicted Wolverine!
ray julien 😂😂😂😂😂
'precisely' ray julien
So some shall say
Marvel comics copied
'plagiarised' the Quran
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It won't be funny when you are in it. You thought you could outsmart God, didn't you? You would be burned once, flesh and skin gone and no pain? Nooo.. Get ready for the surprise. But, it is not a surprise anymore. He already warned you.
@Lxrd SiniXter God does not say he is always loving and passionate and that's it. He says he is also a punisher. So you are warned. If you don't listen then it's your problem. Yet he will still consider "a mustard seed" of good action that you made in your favor. He won't leave aside his justice at any time.
@Lxrd SiniXter You will be resurrected back with your whole body and soul, brain included 🧠. So, no worries, You will feel it.
I confronted my father in law when he was telling my son miracle/science-in-Quran stories. I felt compelled to debunk each and everyone. Our relationship is a little frosty these days.......
Better have it frosty than... you know... their usual way.
You can’t debunk anything cuz there was nothing to debunk.
@@SZ-mc7ch ???? Please explain
Double Helix in this video the science mentioned in the Quran wasn’t wrong therefore he hasn’t debunked anything since the miracle was that an illiterate person spoke the truth. There are also many prophecies mentioned in the Quran that have come true which suggests of the idea of Quranic miracles
@@SZ-mc7ch acquiring knowledge whilst illiterate is not a miracle, name me one miracle, just one.
As an ex-muslim and a native Arabic speaker, please allow me Stephen to further debunk the actual meaning and accurate interpretation of some of those verses:
2- “We sent down Iron” means that Iron arrived to Earth the same time Adam & Eve came down to Earth, and the inherint strength refers to swords, spears, and pickaxes.
3- “We made the sky a protective ceiling” Most Islamic schools agree that the protection of this ceiling is from devils trying to sneak into Earth and not to protect against asteroids or meteorites.
4- "The monutains as stakes” this is just silly as Al-Tabri translations of the quran says that the mountains are put to hold the earth from floating away, just like a tent is held by stakes from the wind.
5- “and keep expanding it” this i s just inaccurate translation of Arabic, the verse says إنا لموسوعون
The root word "موسع" means make vast or large, and the islamic translations agree the verse meant that God will make the prosperity or wellbeing of the people vast and wide, and had nothing to do with astrophysics.
6- “each floating in its orbit” whats funny here is that the word “orbit” meant a million different things back in Mohamed’s time, but none actually match outlr current understanding of the word. All notable Islamic interpretations refer to it as similar to the old stone grinders having opposite paths. Meaning whenever the sun is in orbit the moon is not, and vice versa, which is completely wrong on every level.
7- "which is covered by waves, above which are waves” I dont know how guy in the video came to the conclusion that the verse states there are internal waves. The word cover or qeshaa means someting that is outside or a boarder of an object. So the ocean can be said to be covered by waves, but where are the other waves external to those? This seem to be another fallacious scientific claim.
8- here the word forhead is another example of false translation as the verse actually meant the entire face, the word in arabic is Nassia, which means the front of the head (which is the face), the verse talked about a man who supposedly threaten Mohamed and God thretens him back if he were not to stop, God would shame and darken his face in humility and torture, then God takes it a step further and escalate the situation, where he calls on to Abu-Jahal for a fight, where he brings his people, and God would bring his people (the angels)
Thank you for the additional insight. I did not know this, but it makes sense.
@reverted to the true and straight path It would be more convincing if you actually presented evidence. Do you speak Arabic? Have you read the Qur'an in original language and can give a counter to his argument?
Can you present an argument where Farid has supposedly destroyed others? I also seen Farid destroyed by AP, but that is according to AP. Do you see how that works?
It is easy to convince fellow believers that your side won. It is much harder to convince the non-believers that your side won. That takes logic and evidence.
Be more specific. Be evidence based and less emotional.
@reverted to the true and straight path who the F said anything about Christianity, and who the hell is David??? I’m really confused, do you have an objection of the interpretations I listed in the comment or you’re just another ignorant theist who is trying to change the subject and shift the burden of proof? Really pathetic
@reverted to the true and straight path so you were born a Muslim and then became an atheist for bad reasons, then went back to Islam for worse reason .. what a terrible journey you had my friend. You see the true Islam wouldn’t have given you the chance to actually revert, according to the prophet, you should be killed as soon as you leave the religion. So if we followed the Sharia law, you would be already be dead and will go to hell “if there is such a thing”. And please dont say that its safer to believe so if God happens to exist you wouldn’t go to hell, this is not a 50/50 scenario because there is a million God claim out there and its really important to call god the right name and read the right book and practice the right religion. Its not like deists will go to heaven. The Quran repeatedly say that only Muslims will go to heaven. And even If i grant you that it is a 50/50 chance of your god existing, believing in him just to be safe wouldn’t be a genuine true belief, you would be a hypocrite. God probably won’t accept you either. You only prayed and worshiped in greed of heaven and in fear of hell, and I don’t blame you because the whole system is messed up. Threat of Punishment and the promise of reward is a tool that shouldn’t be used be an almighty who is omniscient and all loving, its a tool used by dictators and prison guards. I personally won’t even worship the Abrahimc God if he appeared right in front of me, because he is an evil misogynistic monster who promotes hatred, war, homophpia, and slavery. It would just be a sad fact that this beautiful universe is ruled by this angry devil
@reverted to the true and straight path *because the Quran explained why these guys will never accept my message I tried, I gave evidences yet they denied it.*
You do not believe in Hinduism because you are not convinced. Not because you are naive, stupid, evil, or prideful. Yet, Hindusim will tell you that you cannot see the truth because of it. Islam is the same way. We do not believe in Islam because it is not convincing. Even Santa tells you that only the pure will believe in Santa. Stop using the same argument as Santa.
There's an even bigger problem with the second claim, the one about iron. Iron doesn't exclusively come from space. A significant portion of earth crust is made up of iron minerals (the crust is 8.1% iron by weight), and the core is believed to be primarily an iron-nickel alloy. There has been iron on the earth since its formation, and people had known about iron smelting for thousands of years before the Quran was written. The oldest known smelted iron artifacts are from 3000 to 2700 BCE. Smelted iron is also distinct from meteoric iron in that meteoric iron typically contains non-trivial quantities of nickel while smelted iron contains only trace quantities.
The crust of earth is the only part with Iron correct?
Thank you!
Thanks for the info. It's what I thought but wasn't really sure.
Yep. If the Quran had claimed water came from asteroids that would have been a really good guess that is in accord with (some) current scientific thinking not available at the time. But to claim iron only comes from asteroids is just plain wrong. 80% of the earth's core is iron. It didn't get there from asteroids, it was the majority of the mass that the earth formed around in the planetary disc 4.5 billion years ago. It's the most abundant element on Earth by mass. (4th most abundant in the crust).
Oh well I suppose it just proves Islam is just another man made piece of fiction like every other religion. That and apologists really can't afford to do even basic research or the cognitive dissonance hurts too much.
@@zerozerozeroband 1. The Holy Quran never said anything about iron not being in the earth's core.
2. To assume iron was sent down???it was never assumed before in history.
3. Learn the arabic language before making comments on any book lmao
4. Muslims never claim to have discovered iron, just that iron was sent down
5. If youre having an intellectual debate, be respectful.
I know Arabic and the verse about the sun can very possibly saying that the sun and the moon move in the sky in a predictable motion, it doesn't necessarily say that the earth orbit the sun.
Plus, Aristarchus of Samos have said that the earth revolves around the sun centuries before Islam!
solidwarrior
What about the expansion of the universe? Does it really say "steadily expanding"?
snowwhitewitch
Nope
Even if it says the universe is expending that would be ONE thing true for THOUSANDS of nonsense...
Especially since you do not need any prerequisites to emit the hypothesis that the universe is expending, therefore that hypothesis could very well predate the Quran too (it's not as if it described precisely quantum mechanics and general relativity).
It's expected for book of that size to contain at least one assertion that happens to be true ; there's nothing miraculous about that, that's good old statistics.
The bottom line is that when the Koran, or any writing from that dark period of history, talks about the "orbit of the sun," they are obviously talking about the primitive belief that the sun revolved around the earth just as the moon does. You don't get to say, "Oh! Maybe they were talking about revolving around the center of the galaxy!" That's bonkers. And if we could point to one passage, just ONE, that seems to say the earth does in fact revolve around the sun, I'll take that back and eat one of my shoes in penance.
Well, at least they're not trying to claim the otherwise like the flat earthers...
The way he pronounces "Quran" kinda annoys me
the "choking on a bunch of dicks" pronounciation of koran? yeah, it annoyed me too... it annoys them more if you write it with a K (like I just did - fuck me if I wrote it down as quran) ;)
Yeah me too felt tgat
you mean correctly? =))) that's how Arabs pronounce it for real. Semitic languages are difficult like that.
Eyerin
I know that's the correct way of pronouncing it but it is very annoying in middle of English speech
Gee I wonder how did people realize that people can feel pain through the skin. “Me stabby stabby, you scream” or “me cut myself, me pain”
People burn, people scream, scream means ouch
I am an ex-muslim and it feels great to have found myself (if that makes any sense). Unfortunately I'm only 13 and live with a religious parent which means ill have to pretend to be a muslim for a long time. RIP me
That is smart. Just go along with the parents for now.
Just go along and never tell them, you will lose them forever. Where are you from btw?
josh smith I feel your pain, keep your head up and good on your for being so skeptical and objective about your beliefs at 13
Good I am 17 and I don't even remember when exactly I left Islam. 😂 so I can't say I am ex-muslim as I don't remember being one.
stay strong
"Please save yourself the embarrassment and read more than one book". Brilliant!
@Rift Reaper The Quran is the one that failed to show any proof....
@@angadsingh9314 YOU SON OF A FUCKED BITCH
@@angadsingh9314 JUST DO SOME RESEARCH YOU BITCH SINGH THERE ARE PROOFS
@Angad Singh nope this video is stupid, it assumes that the Muslim or prophet,in the case of the first miracle mentioned, went to Egypt, learn hyroglifiks which is really hard to learn and then put in in the Quran, this video assumes the Muslims looked through history, went all over the world to find these few miracles and learn the languages to interpret and they after all this work wrote it down in the most linguistic way possible in Arabic. This video is just sly and false
Yusuf P Dont care bro. A couple of predictions isn’t going to make me bow down to your Allah
Actually geocentric model dominated in the western world. I can't speak for the other parts of India but I've been forced to read tamil poets that existed way before Islam and Christianity that spoke of earth rotating the sun in a very common way, leading me to believe it was probably a common belief that earth was not the center. But it'd be interesting to know if other cultures considered the idea as well.
So yeah. People had a brain before the Islamic god decided to come along.
I am an Indian
@@vaishalityagi4971 Cool. Me too :)
This looks a lot like the Hindu equivalent of what the Muslim apologists criticized in this video are doing.
Rig Veda 1.35.9
The golden-handed Savitar, far-seeing, goes on his way between earth and heaven.Drives away sickness, bids the Sun approach us, and spread the bright sky through the darksom region.
Other translation:
The gold-handed, all-beholding luminary travels between the two regions of heaven and earth, dispels diseases, and this, verily, is known as the sun, and it finally overspreads the sky, extending from the dark interspace to the celestial region
1.164.13
Upon this five-spoked wheel revolving ever all living creatures rest and are dependent. Its axle, heavy-laden, is not heated: the nave from ancient time remains unbroken.
So it's clear that these are hard to translate, but it's dishonest to claim they express scientific knowledge by inserting it by heavy(handed) interpretation. This is not an objective approach, it's starting with the conclusion (This has to be scientific somehow) and trying to make it fit somehow and ignoring everything else.
@@LeGrandMort I'm not a Hindu theist, so the other translation you provided made no sense to me. I also don't know sanskrit, so I just checked out the translation in my copy. And my point is not that rig veda or Hinduism is scientific, but that people probably did have common sense back then. As I said, we have several references to earth rotating the sun in tamil poetry. I don't think it was impossible for people to figure out the heliocentric model. If I'm not wrong, there was one scholar in Egypt who proposed a heliocentric model before Christ and mohammad, but his model was complicated. And though his model was wrong, he did get the heliocentric part correct.
ETA: Apparently the first man to propose a heliocentric model of earth was a dude from 3rd century BCE, named Aristarchus of samos.
ETA2: Went back, searched up translations and turns out you were right. The translation is totally misleading. Will delete the wrong info from OP. Thanks for telling me.
So your saying about Thiruvalluvar
Thannuidaiya kaalathula miga sirantha oru meinyaniye thavira avaru onnum kadavul illa , onru bhoomi ya suthi suryan sellanum illa athuku nermathama oru karuthu kolluthal Iyalbu.
Ithu ela mathathaiyum unmai padutha solra mathri tamil patrrarkal solra kattukadhai epdi tamil tha mudhal mozhinu solrathu pola, harappa nagarigam pesiya mozhikum tarkaala tamilukum neraiya verupaadu irukku,
Namakku Seyyulnu kodunkurangale athuve yarukum sela varthaiku mela puriyathu apprm adha epdi neenga tamil nu mudivu pannalam, vera script vera varithaigaal , athu modern tamil kaana ancestor athu thani mozhi ippa tamil thani mozhi
About the iron thing:
Although the arabic verb translates to "send down", it is mostly used in the sense of reveal, or "send down the book of god". The other uses are with water (rain), tranquility, and iron. So why would we make an exception for the iron being from space, while the others are not? If it really meant space, the early Quranic explanations (Tafseer) would have mentioned that, but most importantly, if we grant it that is means space, all other occurrences of the verb wouldn't make any sense at all.
So it all comes to: "in this particular occurrence, it means sent down from space, because it's in line with what I already believe".
More than that, saying it's from space doesn't explain anything, is it a dead star? is it two dead stars? is it a meteorite? is it god's poop?
god's poop hhhhhhh I love you.
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It’s been 1 year since you made your comment. Hopefully today you are wiser and can see that you were wrong.
You stated that Quran makes an exception for iron yet you fail to show the exception. Big fail.
Sent down rain, sent down tranquility, sent down the Quran. So how is that different from sent down iron? The location of where it is sent from is irrelevant.
I’m sure you don’t think rain comes from space do you? I’m sure you don’t think iron rains from clouds, do you? So using reason we can conclude that for iron “sent down” means it came from space. This is reasonable and in line with science.
It doesn’t matter whether it came from a dead star, two dead stars, a million dead stars. Irrelevant thinking on your part. The POINT is that iron is not indigenous to earth. With that we can conclude that no human could have authored the Quran and that it must be what it claims to be....a divine book of guidance from the creator.
However, If you today still refuse to accept this truth, then let me just say the following.....you’ve had one full year since your comment.....present to me one piece of work that you have done that will WOW me! Do it....or remain silent about the Quran going forward. You have had the benefit of 20th century education, access to advance scientific tools, technology, and social media. What work have you done since last year that will wow me and everyone else and keep us wowed for 1400 years....NOTHING! you don’t even need to reply. I know you have produced nothing like the Quran. Yet you are content to point your finger at the Quran and laugh. It doesn’t even occur to you the stupidity of what you are claiming....that an unlettered man in the desert could come up with greatest, most read, most studied, most memorised book ever with no errors of any kind.....YOU can’t even come up with ONE verse that people won’t laugh at....not even after 12 months have you produced anything of significance. Do you not THINK?
Hopefully you have indeed changed and are wiser. I await your reply
@@BreakFix I agree with your point that one could infer the point from the quote but it doesnt necessitate the legitimacy of the Quran because as mentioned in the video the idea that iron was sent down to earth was present long before the advent of Islam.By that logic one could argue that Egyptian mythos is true.
" If it really meant space, the early Quranic explanations (Tafseer) would have mentioned that, "
Thanks for proving that the arabs 1400 years ago didn't know iron came down from space or it would have been in the tafsirs.
Well looks like I found a place on TH-cam where I can say that I’m an ex Muslim without getting death threats
Welcome : )
Rationality Rules
Thank you for spreading awareness and I hope your channel grows big so you can reach out to more people that don’t have voice like me so please keep doing this because you speak on behalf of us ✊🏼
Allah shall rain fire upon you for this comment! He shall destroy every infide... ok, im totally just being a jerk lol, I wish you well and im sorry that you’re in a difficult situation as far as social acceptance and openness of opinion goes, at least we’ve got the internet 👍👍
Welcome to the rest of the world Grand Canyon survivor :)
Because beheading for apostasy is a thing amongst Islamic communities, your God is so weak, so impotent that he uses his followers to do the dirty work. Religion of death.
Is that how you pronounce Koran in arabic? Sounds like choking.
Aradick is one weird language
Shister Chris dammmnnn I laughed so hardddd lolololol
I laughed to your comment too.
It's spelled Quran in English too.
Yes I do, thanks!
I was muslim before, because of this man I eat pork in ramadan now.
That weak you Iman is 😂
Even pork was prohibited in the bible. Read leviticu 11:1-47
john sword who said he’s Christian now?
@@johnsword8954 christians learned to think for themselfes, islam still has to do that
20 Simple Reasons Why Jesus Is Not God......
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1- God Doesn’t Change His Nature (Malachi 3:6)
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2- GOD Almighty is Greater than Jesus. (John 14:28 )
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3- No one is "Good" including Jesus. Only GOD is" Good" (Luke 18:19)
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4- Jesus said he doesn't know when the Hour (Judgment Day) will come. Only GOD Knows. (Mark 13:32)
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5- Jesus said that" OUR God is One GOD" (Mark 12:29 )
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6- Jesus also said "My GOD and your GOD" (John 20:17)
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7- Jesus fell on his face down to the ground and prayed to GOD Almighty (like the way Muslim pray to God). (Matthew 26:39)
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8- Jesus was tempted by Satan for 40 days (Matthew 4:1), while GOD Almighty cannot be tempted (Jacob 1:13)
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9- Jesus said he is a man (John 8:40)
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10- God is neither a man nor a son of a man (Numbers 23:19)
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11- No one can see god (1 John 4:20) but people saw Jesus
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12- God is the living and everlasting (Habakkuk 1:12)
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13- Jesus always confessed he is just a prophet sent by God (Matthew 21:10-11)
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14- God Declare Himself to be God, Jesus didn't (Ezekiel 20:20)
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15- Jesus told his real mission was to preach not sacrifice (Mark 1:38)
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16- Jesus desired Mercy not Sacrifice (Matthew 9:13)
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Jesus referred himself as:
17) - A Servant: Matthew 10:24, 24:45, 12:18 John 13:16
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18)- A Prophet: Matthew 8:20 13:16,21:11, Mark 6:15, 6;4, 9;37, Luke 7:16, 9:8, 9:19, John 13:17, 7:16, 6:14, 7:40
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19)- Son of Man: Matthew 5:9, 17:22, 8:20, 18:11, 26:2, Luke 9:22, John 5:27
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20- Slave: John 13:16, Matthew 10:24
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Quran>>>
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They have certainly disbelieved who say, "Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers....( Qur'an 5: 72)
Man, you're appreciated. It's hard to find people with the capacity to argue with scholars and you used clear logic evidence and science... Love it. New subscriber.
9:20 - heliocentric views are much older than Muslim astronomers. Ancient Greek knew the Earth revolved around the sun, and that the sun also revolves around something. Chinese astronomers also entertained these ideas, as so were the Indians.
And yet Quran said sun and earth orbiting the earth as a reason why night and day happening 🤦
My friend I like these kinds of videos as an ex Muslim. My family was religious and I spent my childhood with religious people. I became more aware and less religious as I figured out my friends and family was simply lied to.
I wish I found about the lies surrounded me earlier. Keep up the great work
Don't we all I'm for one happy you got passed the lies
Mc Seedated This is awful.
Mc Seedated I’m so sorry for you man. You are brave person, I didn’t reveal my skeptism to my friends a long time even though I knew they would accept me.
Mc Seedated Have you reached out to Atheist Republic? Maybe someone there can help you.
Arno Nym thanks for the info. I didn't know such an organization exists. I will reach out to them. U are the boss arno
Harry potter books are more scientific than their book
And yet you didn't know where is the fictional book
Have you ever read Quran with translation? I bet not
@@zephyteh2628 did you even watch the video
#LMAO Aegle
LAME LITIGATION
MEANINGLESS BS
ABSURD absurdity
Obviously you're oblivious to the fact that there is no science in the Quran, and harry potter is a character in a book of illusions, Moses, known as Musa in the Quran, is a character in a book of allusions, you should look up those word's, illusion and allusion, as your contribution would make great script for dumber and dumber.
#thewalkingDEAD #atheistFAGS
Give dumber and dumber a call, Phantom Alpha, I'm sure they could utilize another D.U.M.B. as FLlCK uneducated intellectually challenged delusional schmuck with their next dumber and dimmer movie, you've got the right stuff
#TAPS Thick As Pigs Shit
#thewalkingDEAD #atheistFAGS
Im so tired of arguing, I think I'll just keep my thoughts to myself from now on (on the internet at least)
@@hitesh8383 the problem is both sides think the other side is lying to themselves whilstnot listening. Or when u do listen and disagree they say ur lying... how can u argue with that :/
@@moonsaer
That's the hall mark of closed mindedness...
Majority of Apologetics and minority of Atheists are guilty of that, including ourselves sometimes
about the frontal lobe "mirracle", there is no mirracle in a metaphore, arabs used to humiliate their enemies my draging them by the forehead, that was a well known practice, but the muslim guy had to gymnastic his way into believing that it was meant to be a scientific fact 😂, the verse it self says "we will drag them by the forehead" (الناصية)، or something close to that, the arabs of that time knew what it was, no one said : what does that mean ? cuz it was obvious
Ibnziyad. The verse goes on to say that it is a lying, sinful forelock...that's the extraordinary part.
And in some other part, when unbelievers asked how could God bring the rotten bones of people back to life, he said they will be reformed all the way to the tips of their fingers. Do you think people knew about the uniqueness of the fingertips back than?
MIRACLE dude.....
This miracle is even more BS, when you know the context.
When visited by guests, muhammad had the habit to compliment the one staying behind guarding the camels/horses/goats of his comrades. It was an easy trick to show his humbleness to the visitors, thus appearing wise and modest.
One of those guys realized it, and stayed behind on purpose, to be complimented by muhammad as a good and trustful person. At that time, words were everything, and a prophet's compliment was like a 1 million subs on Twitter: it makes you important. Then the guy revealed his plan to all, making a fool of the prophet publicly.
As god's favorite, muhammad couldn't take back what he said, without acknowledging his own weakness and not-so-divine-wisdom.
That's how he accused the guy from treachery and lies, pretending he set the prophet up afterwards, just to boast about it.
Thus the citation we got there.
Where do they get the idea that there was no iron on Earth when it formed?
Are they not aware of the fact that this planet has an iron core?
And the sun was formed with dust from space. Everything in the solar system comes from outer space. His point was that iron was already present during Earth's formation, not added afterwards.
YES! This.
Jonathan Nicoll al hadid is on the 57th out of 114 surahs of qur'an which is in the middle of the qur'an. Or is it trying to say it's in the quran's core ? Wallahua'lam. Sry for the bad grammar bruh
+Muhammad Ridho
In the original Quran it was not in the middle. In chronological order it was 94th surah. So did Uthman actually improve the Quran?
Eren Akışık Actually a few eliments arent from stars but yes most elements come from stars not space.
The way he says "Quran" sound like he is about to vomit.
Can't blame him, that book is gross
Baron Wurst The who who says it?
I'm an ex muslim living in Arabia. That is how overly religious pricks pronounce it. Normal people just pronounce it Koran.
Idk what you’re going on about, but if you do speak Arabic, you pronounce it properly. Even an Arabic speaker who is atheist, christian or whatever will pronounce it Kuur-Ayn or Kuur-On.
Calling it a Koor-On sends up read flags.
I’m not making a religious claim, just a language one. This is how it’s pronounced, unless you can’t speak Arabic. Has nothing to do with trying to sound cool. People just like to speak correctly wether they stand for the idea or not.
@@BigCC16 nah dude, most arabs pronounce it using their native dialect (yeah bummer we dont go around speaking the same way, let alone dialect) and koran is the english transliteration of the quran.
PS he pronounces it in classical arabic with that very hard Q, which is basically arabic posh, and religious pricks love to do that
I’m a Muslim but I’m very skeptic of everything. And i like to hear others point of view. It doesn’t bother me what other believe, I just feel like there must be something that would be powerful than anything in this universe!
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There are over 100 miracles in the quran and he only choose the 9 easiest ones to ''debunk''
@@emir7233 yet again these "miracles" arent really miracles. the quran claims them to be miracles but he easily debunks these miracles with proof from other scientific resources.
@@bruhbruh6208 so what is his proof on numbr 6 with the sun rotating to?
@@ahmetodabasi1417 basically hes saying that people thought the sun revolved around the earth hence the verse in the quran "it is he who created night and day, the sun and the moon, each floating in its orbit" even if this was a metaphor and didnt actually convey a literal term it still wouldnt make sense because its saying that the sun orbited around something. while it is correct the moon does orbit around the earth it still doesnt correctly convey how the sun orbits the earth which has been proven false.
If you keep on making videos about Islam, you and your channel are going to *blow up*
Luv that pun lol
Nirizius Nah, Islam is a religion of peace, I'm sure they will understand it was just a joke
@Daniel Morais
That joke was Da Bomb 😋
Blow up. Hehe
Holy shit XD
The post hoc rationalization is strong with this one!
Just to be clear, I mean that this guy, like many theists and Nostradamus adherents, takes some passage of their favored book that is vaguely similar to some later historical event or scientific discovery and say after the fact "hey, my book predicted this even though no one knew it did until the thing happened! Prophecy!". I don't mean post hoc ergo propter hoc :)
vatican does that, too... it's called "Vaticinium ex eventu" they write the narrative AFTER an event happens, but it's written like a prophecy
the so called "prophecies" are hit or miss... and there's more misses than there is hits... like way more... but the misses are being selectively ignored, figures -_-
Komninos Maraslidis Thanks :)
Arin Jäger I didn't know that, but it sounds just like something the Holy Mother Church would do. Thanks for the info, it's always nice to learn something new! :)
only shows you that christianity (especially roman catholic church) isn't any better than islam - they're as bad
Arin Jäger Yup. Though I have an involuntary respect for the Jesuits as I was educated from high school through college in Jesuit schools. But yeah, the Church may have been beaten somewhat into submission by secularism and science, so their indiscretions and largesse are not as bad as they were when they had the power over Europe that Islam now enjoys over the Muslim world, but they are still doing "dirt". And are, as you pointed out, still as intellectually dishonest as Islam's champions.
It's so cringy when someone speaking perfect English, pronounces 'Quran' with that condescending middle eastern accent...
Yeah, it was annoying the hell out of me : P
It annoys you that someone wants to pronounce something correctly?
Hashtag that's not the correct pronunciation in the English language... That's like somebody from New York pronouncing it peh-ree instead of Paris, just to sound pompous and sophisticated. It's highly annoying and condescending...
Worst of all was the pronunciation of "iron"
at least he said "peace be upon him" in english LOL
It may already have been pointed out, but the primary source of iron in early times was meteoric iron. One of the treasures of Tut was for example a dagger with a blade of meteoric iron. They were aware that it came from the sky, as the heiroglyphs in the video indicate.
Yes, but the Qur'an meant "sent down". It just means God sends you things from high above. In addition to iron, Allah also sent down the Qur'an, rain, food, clothing and cattle. I do not see any apologetic arguing that Allah sent down cows from space.
@@kyoungd I was pointing out that earlier cultures knew that iron came from the sky.
@@kyoungd In fact, Tut reigned in the 14th century BC, more than a millennia before Islam was conceived.
@@Pooknottin I am not disputing your facts. I agree with you. It is just that Islamic Apologetic use the "how did Qur'an only pick the right fact" nonsense. I was simply pointing out that they are using "word-play" to make up miracles.
@@kyoungd Very good.
as a muslim i sometimes wonder... the real miracle of Qur'an would be... it had to be written in every language available to human beings and people will never contradict the meaning?
After asking that the issue about the sun to rotate the earth is very well written in the Qur'an , when i started secondary school i was taught different then when i returned home we usually go to madrasa ... i had to ask this (among many other) my Ostadh (maalim,teacher) told me they don't want you to know the truth they just want to go against Islam... i was like OK i will not persue science nor mathematics... i will just stick to other field esp Art subject and I've always regret that decision... now i want to teach myself math and probably trying to understand my planet better ... i come to realize i dont need religion to be a better person and if you think you need it then you're not thinking wisely....
as humans we need to tackle our challenges as unity the way our educational systems are we are so far from being smart...
but i don't force anyone to disbelieve but please we shouldn't mix our beliefs with education...
after some critical thinking i am now not a muslim but a good person who will never harm anyone anyway (except for some insects who are my real enemies)...
now the question is what do i believe . i believe there's some higher forces than US human kind but they doesn't need my prayers or anything they don't even care if i know them or not... so i will leave my best life...
Y.O.L.O
You deserve my respect(an ex Muslim here)
@@biostephan1685 bro religion is a cult dharma that's what a man must follow
Jumajas Jas religion is not just about being a better person but but acknowledging and worshiping a deity. Also please what do you define is good? What you think is good others will find it bad. If you believe in a higher power, do you think this higher power communicated with humans
You seem like a very intelligent person and you should have no trouble teaching yourself mathematics and science. Tell me, which country so you come from. I may be able to help you find resources. And also, what level of education so you have already in these fields of mathematics and science?
Quote > (except for some insects who are my real enemies)...
Are you sure you're a good person?
*Press A to DOUBT* .
I said it once, and I say it again: Odin, Vili and Vé killed Ymir and made the mountains out of his bones. Learn the facts 😁
Fuck no 😂😂
True story. And the firmament is made out of his skull. Scientific facts 😋
@@theogantenbein7870 definitely not, let's stop believing fairy tales
Okay, just for You. You do see the little guys: 😁😋? They are indicating that I‘m just kidding.
@@theogantenbein7870 Hey fairy tale guy, go back to kindergarten
Imagine that there is a religion called "the religion of Nature" and that this religion has a holy book called "the book of Roots" and that its followers are estimatef by the billions. this book was written nine hundred years ago in the jungles of Africa. In the folds of this book is a verse that says: «Trees breathe like humans» And another says, «Every tree has a spirit, and each tree hears, sees and feels joy when the children play around it»
What if Mr. Carrot (a follower of this religion) came to you and tried to convince you to follow the religion of nature? Saying it is impossible for the primitive African tribes to know that trees breathe, and that modern science has proved that trees actually breathe by absorbing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and release oxygen, similar to how humans breathe, by absorbing oxygen and emitting carbon dioxide, the existence of this scientific information in the book of roots is irrefutable evidence that the religion of nature is one true religion and scientifically proven.
But if you take a look at the second verse, it is clear that the author of the book was not thinking about this scientific fact when the verse was written, but gave the trees human qualities due to his attachment to nature, which is to be expected from the religions of primitive tribes, he thinks that the tree has a spirit, sees what is around it and feels happiness when it sees children - which are scientifically incorrect things and he thinks that the tree has a spirit, that it sees what is around it and that it feels happy to see the children - which are scientifically incorrect assumptions. For this reason, it is not surprising that this book believes that trees are breathing - it is a belief that is consistent with its primitive views of trees.
But he is very convinced of this scientific miracle. He tries to convince you that you misunderstood the second verse. It is a metaphor. It is not meant that the tree actually sees the children around it and feels happy in the same way that we humans do, but is intended to encourage us to love nature and take care of it !!
Another person who follows this religion, Mr. Batiti, tries to do the complete opposite, he makes an attempt to convince you that this second verse is also true! And tries to convince you that there is a western scientist has proved that trees actually see and hear exactly like humans! He tells you that an Australian researcher named Markson Cartman conducted a study on the electromagnetic waves of trees. He found that the trees surrounded by children emit happy electromagnetic waves, while the other trees emit electromagnetic waves do not contain the element of happiness !!
If you try to looknup this "study", you will discover that this alleged researcher is not specialized, and that his research is not recognized in the scientific community.
Mr. Batiti will assure you that this study is correct, and the lack of recognition of scientific references to this scientist is only a conspiracy to hide the truth! Those responsible for these scientific institutions are involved in a global conspiracy whose goal is to combat the religion of nature, because it is the one true religion!
What do you think of Mr. Carrot, Mr. Batiti, the religion of Nature and the book of Roots?
You must know, that the advocates of scientific miracles, are no different from Mr. Carrot and Mr. Batiti of this example.
This story, though not true, embodies the imbalance in the claims of scientific miracles. The advocates of scientific miracles ignore many verses contradictory to science, and hold on to the word contained in the verse, take it out of context, and add to it nonexistent scientific nonsense.
There are religions very similar to what you're proposing albeit a little less detailed. Animism anyone?
Thanks. Will look it up.
The religion you made up for this story sounds like a better and more peaceful belief system than any of the so called "one true faith" can claim to be.
Brilliant analogy! Simple and easy to understand. Well done
Seth Howard Any religion is far more peaceful than "the religion of peace" excluding its Abrahamic predecessors.
Thanks my fellow ape , ex-muslim athiest here .
@reverted to the true and straight path
Actually no I was athiest long before I knew them , I used listned to arab athiests channels in 2018 and ducussions were Islam and athiesm.
@(see my playlists) truth is bitter source: Trust the quran bro
Like a supposed almighty god would leave such a faulty book to exist
28. How can you reject with the God, and you were dead, but gave you life? Then He will give you death, then He will give you life, then to Him you will return.
- Chapter 2, Sign 28
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How can I reject any idea not just Islam is bcz of abcense of evidence , Islam is a claim without good evidence, from the day 1 from when mohamed came out of the cave of Hiraa to the people of mecca told them I spoke to angel gabriel , he didn't provide anygood evidence in the quran he says I'm just a mear human being sent to warn you , well tough luck to convince people with such extraordinarity with such low level of agruments
No one:
The narrator: *KHHOORRAAANN
more like KUR-AN
So who is this "no one"?
Every muslim says Qur'an because thats how its pronounced
I am Arab and I can confirm that this is how Quran Is pronounced in Arabic
Why'd you add the "no one:" to this? What does it even add?
Kairi091 the meme illiteracy here is baffling
Iron is the fourth most abundant element on earth ...
It _also_ comes from meteorites, but that is a tiny source by comparison.
Oh but its not natural. Its a miracle. So nothing is natural or everything is. It's just a point of view. Here's a miracle: how closed the open minded Muslim is.
BTW, the earths core is mostly iron and involves in a lot on earth's magnetic field.
The stupidity of the muslim interpreters is a miracle.
@@the_truth_seeker334 you people can not even agree to science because of the hatred and fear of islam that we have every answer to the world
Bullshit. The core is made of iron. The mantle of the earth has molten conduits of iron
I really enjoy collaboration videos like these! Even though I am already subscribed to both of you. In other cases they have lead me to new youtubers, new arguments and more knowledge. Thank you both
I remember when I was younger my grandma had said to me that it was God who had created the universe.
And I remember asking with a deliberate pause, then, Who grandma created God.
Even at a tender age I could not resign to "a therefore, God" explanation.
I would see God as the older man's Santa.
And if kids in the future don't ask these questions ,and continue to desperately look for the trivialest of things to justify their belief in age old fantasy books by authors that did not know better... then we have failed as a civilisation.
😂and that just proves it. We only have mentality of what we r told. We r told god created us then we say. "Who created god?" God is all knowing he knows everything
i remember asking that same question in islamic school and getting scolded for even asking it and i got whooped
It was Drew who told me to check you out and I'm glad I did since I've now subscribed and really enjoy your commentary. ;-)
How was I once a Muslim
It's kind of mind blowing to think that there were already stars that had been burning for so long that they'd run out of everything else to fuse and had to start fusing iron when the Earth started forming. Sometimes it seems like Earth is pretty old, but the presence of iron suggests that it's actually quite young, at least in the context of the vast scope of deep time.
I must be miraculous as a child I figured out if I burn , bruise or cut my skin I felt pain , I truly am gods son
Lol
These "miracles" are what impress/dazzle many lost guidance seeking people into the book; those darn claims of being scientifically miraculous. And of course it also is the thing that keeps people in the religion.
So before even watching this, I really want to thank you immediately for your efforts!
Ruzgar Liahnyn
What annoys me the most is the fact that inventions based on science (electricity, cameras, microphones, laptops, etc) are used to promote these ignorant, religious ideas. We can call ourselves lucky that enough of our ancestors were _not_ satisfied with all the "wisdom" in these scriptures! Otherwise we'd still sitting in caves and talking about burning bushes (..well, the latter we still do, damn)
I think if you're a scientific person, it won't draw you in the book, it'll push it further, instead... make-belief is not scientific, neither is any of the so called "science" in the koran
Arin Jäger
Absolutely, I'm just worried about the kids. You need a solid education to even become a scientific person, and there are so many children who are indoctrinated at youngest age to accept "God/Bible/Quran" as an answer to every difficult question. Bright minds who aren't allowed to use their mental skills and curiosity, in worst cases even scared with torture in hell if they disobey or raise doubts. Always breaks my heart when I see situations like this.
@Sopho Nax, To me, indoctrination = child abuse, if the western world wants to call itself "free", it should come up with laws against that (I know it wouldn't stop the theists from brainwashing the children and that they'd get agressive - as any animal pushed into a corner would)... hopefully the number of people leaving these shitty religions is getting higher by the day... but I too am sad to hear these stories from my "ex-something" (ex-muslim, ex-christian,...) friends... I can't relate, because I was born an atheist and always been one and I know for a fact that nothing in the world would convert me to any of these stupid-ass religions... My heart is already broken, so I don't think it can get broken even more, not even duct tape can fix that (and the legends say that the holy duct tape can fix absolutely everything) >:D
some religious people don't even vaccinate... I also seen a case of children with diabetes or cancer and they tried to pray the disease away, guess what? The children after prolonged suffering DIED, because they denied them ANY medication... And they call themselves the righteous ones, why, exactly? Just because they beLIEve in some made up "god"? Sick
@ippos_khloros "Most apologetics are aimed at believers who are looking to assuage their doubts with seemingly-impressive soundbites."
Aka saccharine sophistry.
the guy asserting the Quran's claims sounds like an Amway salesman.
+The Pyrrhonist Big differences there: you can see, feel and smell Amway, also Amway actually works. PLUS they pay YOU :D
Hey .. just found you through Genetically Modified Skeptic's video ...
a video on the concepts of taqiyya, tawriya, kitman, and muruna through your lens would be awesome !
The Quran claims the sun has a resting place it goes to every night. How is that for scientific miracle.
I can't find the verse. Do you have any reference?
@@TheBrandgineer 18:86 Quran backed up by this hadith Abu Dharr reported:
I asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) the (implication of the) words of Allah, the Exalted: The sun glides to its appointed resting place. He replied: Its appointed resting place is under the Throne.
Reference : Sahih Muslim 159d
In-book reference : Book 1, Hadith 307
@@doncorleone2713 nice. Sunan Abi Dawud 4002 also has Muhammad stating that the sun sets in muddy waters.
And I think the verse you’re referring to is Quran 36:38
@@TheBrandgineer So it sets in the muddy spring, travels to it's resting place, which is underneath the throne of Allah, where it prostrates and asks permission to rise again. Which would mean it would have to travel again to it's rising place, back on Earth again.
@@doncorleone2713 Yeah, that’s how I interpret it too. Muhammad was a flat earther, and he believed in a very primitive geocentric model of the universe.
I had some door-to-door Jehova's Witnesses around last week.
They made the same claims about biblical prescience. Specifically the fact that 'everyone used to think the earth was flat' but that the old testament showed otherwise.
It's all hopelessly transparrent.
Haha, that is especially funny when you see, that many flat earthers today are Christian fundamentlists who say, that the bible would say, the earth is flat
The verses that modern christitards claim do say earth is spherical do actually have words that originally meant flat disk
In addition to the Egyptian Hieroglyphics, I believe it was King Tut who had a dagger that was made of meteoric iron and I believe there were other ancient kings who had them as well.
It's really disturbing that he reads a passage about how non-believers will will be tortured and mutilated, and the damage undone so that the pain cannot dull, and his main takeaway is that it says skin has pain receptors, complete with a nonchalant tone.
I was born in a muslim country in a not so religious family. As a child, i wasnt bombarded with all nonsense and as a result, i grew up a rational person
Me too. And alhamdulillah my reason and logic pointed me to islam
@@srinugrohoprahastono7701 said no rational human ever
@@swapnaneeldas3227 i looked at the sun and asked myself "who created the sun ??"
@@srinugrohoprahastono7701 who created god?
@@srinugrohoprahastono7701 science.nasa.gov/sun/facts/
"The kr*chokes*ahn"
Nick Walton that’s how it’s said in Arabic. Not pronounced Koran.
Zakeria Saleh Perfect. I always throw up a little when I pronounce it, so it just makes the pronounciation authentic.
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Welcome to arabic
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In the third point he said '' protective ceiling'' and this is a wrong translation, it should be translated as '' protected ceiling''
''22\32. And We made the sky a protected ceiling; yet they turn away from its wonders.''
Pointing out that iron came from outside is a weak point in itself - because that same thing applies to a whole bunch of other fundamental elements. If you go back far enough then the elements that first coalesced into the earth all came from the universe, so where do you draw the line here and why? Certainly all of this happened long long before humans existed in any form that we could identify with.
This is just grasping for straws (most of these tend to be) - applying a short and ambiguous verse and extrapolating from that something very specific that first your preconceived narrative without a foundation to do so.
Yeah I was sitting there thinking, ummm everything came from space at one point, so why did it only mention iron? Not to mention how it doesn't say it came from space or that it was in the form of meteors. It says "we sent it down", which could simply and more likely imply divine magic. And who is "we" anyway? How many gods does it take to send iron? The christian god struggled with iron too. Those damn iron chariots. Iron is apparently the kryptonite for gods.
I was thinking the same thing... like, there was a point that everything came from space, plus we (as well as Earth itself) technically speaking are in space... we are in space even on Earth, because Earth is in space... The "drawing a line" reminds me of drawing a line between life and non-life (like... are viruses alive? most argue they're not... I disagree, but that's besides the point), or looking for the so called "missing link"
The text about the fall of iron from the sky in hieroglyphs was dedicated to the falling of meteors, not that iron originated from the sky and that the use of the hieroglyphic civilization at that time is limited to decoration only
@Jinn Genie But he did not talk about the origin of iron, but rather that there were people who spoke about iron before Islam, and I explained the idea
Also love the 'holy reverb' whenever a quoranic quote is read.... ooooh spooky!
DID YOU THINK IM ENOUGH OF A MASOCHIST TI ACTUALLY ENJOY THIS KINDA THING??!
I mean, I am-
LMFAOOOO THATS ICONIC
tf is funny that your laughing about
I think the question you both have to ask is how some dude in the desert knew all this. There wasn't much debunking, but correct assertions that previous ppl from other nations and civilizations had. I guess for a full thorough debunking. You'd also have to prove how this desert individual came with these correct observations from different civilizations.
And also the fact that the best example of the quran's predictions, being the one about the sun's orbit, was "debunked" with a complete fallacy.
An atheist is not interested in ' debunking ' as much as masturbating with her/his brethren in lack of rationalism.. and then feeling proud to be a product of haphazard.
You clearly are manipulated easily , mohammed is a character concept created by Arabic people , it was clearly a team who wrote the Quran , scientific people existed way before the Quran and Islam had the best scientific of the 7th century , why people don’t know that wtff
@@coldorak8230 are you a historian!?!
@@pappapappi9177 No but I have studied it , there’s no real prove of mohammed prophets just like the other , it’s always small evidence without back up and every documents about it are not certified
Let’s say those knowledge has taken from old books.
How can he(pbuh) know which one is true which one is wrong?
How can he take that risk and all hundreds of those miracles are being true today? Not even one mistake?
not even one mistake....
the sun doesnt settle in a puddle....
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@@Zanta100 You obviously never took poetry in high school. This is symbolic literature.
Prophets before Muhummabd pbuh also could have revealed this information.
At any given snap shot point of time from Adam till today the truth is always protected by God such that a truth seeker will always be able to find it and get guidance. This means a truth-seeker located in any part of the world will find guidance at any point in history (50:16. 10:25, 15:9)
Quran 10:47 “And every nation had a messenger; so when their messenger came, the matter was decided between them with justice and they shall not be dealt with unjustly.”
Quran 14:4 “And We have sent NO Messenger save with the tongue of his people, that he might make all clear to them; then God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides whomsoever He will; and He is the All-mighty, the All-wise.”.
Allah sent Messengers to every nation and He stated that they came one after another, as He says:
Quran 23:44 Then We sent Our messengers in succession. Every time there came to a nation its messenger, they denied him, so We made them follow one another [to destruction], and We made them narrations. So away with a people who do not believe.
Quran 35:24 “Verily! We have sent you with the truth, a bearer of glad tidings, and a warner. And there never was a nation but a warner had passed among them”
Allah has named some of those Messengers and told us the stories of some of them, but not of many others. Allah, may He be exalted, says:
Quran 4:163-164 “Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nooh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqoob (Jacob), and Al-Asbat (the twelve sons of Yaqoob (Jacob)), Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yoonus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawood (David) We gave the Zaboor (Psalms). And Messengers We have mentioned to you before, and Messengers We have not mentioned to you, - and to Moosa (Moses) Allah spoke directly”
Quran 40:78 “And certainly We sent messengers before you: there are some of them that We have mentioned to you and there are others whom We have not mentioned to you”
Allah reinforces this concept when he addresses Muhammad
Quran13:7 You are only a warner (Muhammad) , and for every people is a guide.
@@haqq4260 "This is symbolic literature."
as symboilic as the existance of your god..
@@Zanta100 There it is.
www.cosmology-theory-evolution-quran.com/
Wait wait, 1900 years before Muhammad pbuh? The hieroglyphic language/understanding was lost during that time until the Rosetta Stone was discovered in ~1790s, so unless your claiming Muhammad had a secret Rosetta stone then he certainly didn't have that information from that source to know that.
So there was no oral transmission? Information just stopped?
@@kyoungd revelation aka oral transmission
@@younesshbiddou6865 So why would the 6th-century Arabs not know about the iron from the meteor? Egyptians even created swords for Pharaoh with meteor Iron.
@@kyoungd more like why would the arabs know? i think you didnt understand the main point the hieroglyphic language was lost during that time until the Rosetta Stone was discovered in 1790s so muhammed and the arabs didn't have the access to the egyptian knowledge which lead us to the supernatural (allah) source let's not forget that muammed pbuh was an illiterate and never went outside arabia . another thing the greek and the indian knowledge was full of incorrect scientific and historical infos (aresto and his idea about the embryology). the point is how did muhamed pbuh collected this and what contact did he have with these resources ; so the only explanation for this is revelation (by the way the video is full of misleading infos i just exposed one of them )
@@younesshbiddou6865 So the Arabs knew nothing about Egyptian culture or knowledge? That is why I brought up the oral tradition.
For a thousand years, the Muslims believed the Earth was flat, and the Sun orbited the Earth. The Islamic scholars rejected scientists of their time because it was written in the Quran. All you did is the reinterpret those verses to fit the modern Science, and all religion does that.
I can ask you the same thing. How did the Hindus only pick the right knowledge if it wasn't written by God? Well, its history proves otherwise. Same with Christianity and Islam.
Any desert native could tell you that about water in fact the Egyptians knew that before Islam was a thing I might be impressed if they mentioned carbon anyone who’s experiences thirst can tell you that about water
my thoughts exactly! I was like: "so, some dudes got thirsty, some might even die of thirst, so they put 1 and 1 together and thought: well, we can't survive without water... so they also looked at plants that thrive in rain but wither in arid environments and need to be watered... so they thought: we drink, plant drink, water important!"
U don’t know how fucking happy I am about this video. I’m an ex Muslim and I love ur vids addressing Islam. Keep up the good work😀👍
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq At least he doesn’t do adhominem like u. If u wanna debunk his stuff then debunk it with facts and don’t say that squealing shit. At least he didn’t claim that semen is made between backbone and ribs or the sun sets on earth. Maybe if u were not born into Islam u wouldn’t think like this because a Christian watching this would think that Islam is Retarded and when u watch a video debunking Christianity u think Christianity is dumb. Get it now?
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq There u are, pulling the same shit as u were last time. It does not say semen but it is heavily implied. When I get into argument I don’t call call the person arguing with me Retarded because it makes them less likely to want to agree with you and would make me sound childish. Btw that’s not the only error in the Quran. The only reason you guys think that the Quran is 100% correct is because it was written in Arabic so it has many translations which can say many different things and 1 translation could be wrong and one could be right, but I personally don’t like that. Couldn’t god have made his words any more clear? Why so vague?
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq ok I get what u mean now, but that isn’t the only problem Find while reading the Quran translation, can we end it here because This is boring, but if u don’t want to end here then I can do this all day.
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq that says Muslim or Quran
It literally keeps sounds like ur insulting me all the time. So u can reply but I won’t
ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq I’m not insulted I just don’t enjoy have a conversation with you because of how Ignorant you are. And also is English your first language Because sometimes I say something and u talk about something completely different?
9 claims by the quran, that have either already been known by earlier cultures or are so vague, that using modern knowledge to interpret them, yields a prophetic insight.
Now i'm just waiting on their video on "9 claims by the quran, that have been proven false".... I mean, they weren't just cherry picking, were they?
@@haqq4260 That's not what i wanted to see. I wanted a video of them, where they show verses of the quran being factually incorrect.
You provided a link with out-of-context verses, that have been translated into english, with possibly words being swapped, and finally interpreted using current scientific knowledge. It's like them throwing a dart and you drawing a bullseye where it landed, while ignoring those who are nowhere near it.
@@thomaspriewasser6660 The link I sent is decisive. You just cannot bear the truth. So deny deny deny till the day, you say oh shit, oh shit,
@@haqq4260 so asking critical questions about the validity of evidence is now considered denying it? Sorry for applying scientific scruteny.
@@thomaspriewasser6660
The Quran is not written as a science book, that is what you want right? A well educated person that read Shakespeare in high school and took creative writing knows full well what those verses mean. Maybe you could provide examples of what your confusion is. Also, maybe you could try and debunk this link, which you will not be able to.
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@@haqq4260 try number 3, as my past 2 comments seem to have disappeared
to summarize the video:
look my maths on the quran is incredible, therefore it is true, that we should do immoral things to people due to their sexuality, gender and for other arbitrary reasons.
When he says Quran it sounds like he’s gagging
That's because its the way you pronounce it dumbass
Well its Arabic and thats how its pronounced
14:07 how...gullible could those people be. If you touch an ember, it would hurt. If you cut your skin, it would hurt. Its not something of a revelation...
Oh, the flesh also feel pain, stomach feel pain, throat feel pain, its not just the skin. Simple observation of how one's own body work will yield such conclusion.
Not to mention that if the person has CIPA, made use of permanent nerve blocks or Neurotcomy before his or her death would also not feel the pain at all since the author of the Quran does not know how humans truly perceive pain.
In practicality, the person would pass out before they can endure the pain that Allah wants them to endure. The supposed punishment is an impractical testimony to Allah's ignorance.
@@j.mtherandomguy8701 the most successful conman of all time.
@@eleethtahgra7182 jesus????
@@j.christie2594 Less succesful, he might not be even real.
The way buddy say Quran makes me angry.
He Who Shall Not Be Named
Person:1 „He who shall not be named“
Person2: „Voldemort?“
- Person1: „Nah, Allah!“
Me too. It sounds like he is being annoyed on purpose.
I'm an Arabic speaker and know that that's the actual way you pronounce it but it also annoys me lol. He's literally speaking in English the whole time and decided to use an Arabic pronunciation of the word. It's just extra.
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Any stupidity accepted on a large scale is faith. Such is Islam
Ex-muslim iraqi here and not an expert on science but you made sense here :)
@Pri xolo if something doesn't matches with other written content,then according to that logic,harry Potter,Conan the barbarian and Lords of the ring is from God,but as we know,that these are only fantasy stories because they are scientifically incorrect so as the quran and hadith.
@Pri xolo
C’mon now
@Afif people like you,who read science from WhatsApp universities and madarsaas are biggest threat to future,either they will spread pseudoscience or will become terrorist,but just keep sociological point away,at this movement I will do postmortem of your faith with the scalpel of knife.
1st point you raise that science changes,what changes in science hypothesis[A hypothesis is an idea or proposition that can be tested by observations or experiments, about the natural world],what not changes is theory(A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results.)only fools says WHOLE science changes,religion is constant but reality is vice versa.
2 point-you said earlier it was thought that universe is eternal,now it big bang theory explains that how universe originated.🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️.that what happens when a madarsachaap like you reads science from WhatsApp university.
Its not universe is eternal,its HYPOTHESIS of eternal INFLATION of universe,by the way,go on misconception section in Wikipedia of theory big bang it says theory of big bang does not explains the origin of universe it explains the state of universe at that particular time period in past.
Point claim by-how religion changes,before 1970s,in Quran it is written that the universe is created in 6000 years,and after 1970s after scientific studies when age of earth was known,your Muslim scholars added a bracket in front of that verse and wrote 6 periods,similar case is of a word interchanged for carpet[-1970s] and ostrich[1970-] egg ,this is how whole religion is changing,that too,forcefully by hypocrite people like zakir naik and Ahmed deebat but not whole science.
Lastly-the person whom I admire,whose photo I have used as profile picture quoted that person who believe in God are fool.
I would add that person who believes in God is also a traitor,because he use inventions science[phone,computer etc]to criticize science over a blind ideology called religion.
@@strongnon-theist4211 sir 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙏🏻,it was not just a reply,it was a tight slap to religion blinds whose sound would reach till their imaginary heavens,Well I would like to add that Quran claims about rooh and jinn.but scientifically these are disproved claims.so Quran automatically becomes unscientific book.by the way sir,the way you have replied,for a moment I though periyar ramaswamiji had came back and made a Google account such a strong glimpse I got while reading reply.after a long time a have seen a real follower of periyar.👍🏻🙏🏻
@@Bujuvaidya912 ji thank you,though periyar ji is no more,his thoughts are still living in my blood.And yes all Godly religions are unscientific,and their followers are blind.
"And it is He who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition." Al Quran 25:53.
skeptic is a moron, hes not understanding what the quran is saying here....
Lol just happens in one place. How come you explain water and it's source.
@@GuyI9000 really? I would love to hear your logic or the lack thereof.
Salt water and fresh water mix, there is no barrier between them
@@samaymeshram4699 he was talking about a location broo
The Hindu epic you had mentioned, of varahavtar (3rd incarnation of the 10), actually does not reference that universe itself was in waters, but rather simply the earth at the time being (in order of the dashavataras/10 incarnations of Vishnu, land animals had just begun to exist); the translation from Sanskrit to English kind of distorts the idea of the universe or the “bhramanda/loka” with just the earth (Prithvi). Essentially, the varahavatar was an attempt to give reference to the point when complex life (resembling that of a boar) reached to the landmasses. That said, it is just a concept, and it does not claim to be factually evident. The story itself is written as a metaphor about morals, so in the end it really is just up the perception of what one should take from it. Just my 2 cents here, hope it can give room for thought.
The hindu legend mentions the earth and the living things in it being sunken in water (Primordial/prevail waters) due to overpopulation. And then later on it is then brought out of the water due to it being rescued by a Hindu God. If you read the start of the article it takes about how Brahama lifts earth from the waters and begins it's creation. While later on in the article it mentions things like how the earth sunk due to the burden of overpopulation implying life was on the earth. Even if not, life's orgin point would still be from water. Due to sequence of events, just like how all life originates from the big bang cause we are here today. Thus meaning, the earth and all the living things from it come from water which is very similar to what the Qur'an states and in fact they both share the same level of scientific description and one claims to be a miracle somehow. Even though it does not claim to be factually evident, a similar concept can easily be seen here so to consider the Quran's claim a miracle seems to be quite interesting, when it is similar to something that is not even asserting to be factually evident. May i ask, why would God provide such a vague verse that's meant to be considered miraculous? God with all his power should have surely been able to produce something better then this? Don't ya think? Anyway you probably will not see this but here is just my thoughts i guess.
Debunking his debunk
1. he said that older people said that everything comes from water including life, but Quran specially said about water not everything, Quran because supports big bang and big crunch theory
As a physics major that guys video makes me cringe
As a somewhat thinking individual who doesn't immediately agree with the first thing I hear, this video physically hurts me.
Not on the skin. Guess #9 is wrong
But agree or disagree? That is the question. No fence sitting or vague comments please.
@@vervoid73 Forcing people to choose a side even if they are undecided is incredibly naive and arrogant. Just saying.
@@heckingbamboozled8097 It is either true, so I agree with it, or false, so I disagree with it.
Ambigious answer is just ambigious. Meaning everybody will get it the wrong way. And we already have (far too many) religions for that.
But Robert Kelly
I have to sit on the fence, the perception of the unlettered messages in the Quran by the uneducated intellectually challenged delusional schmucks is pathetic, and the wannabe Muslims have yet to figure out what the unlettered messages are as well, so it's like watching dumber and dumber, neither of these so called sides have got a bloody clue what Allah's allusions are actually alluding to
Miracle in islam that nobody knows.
The islamic sciences has discovered long time ago that there is goats in space.
No any others has done such discovery untill now.
Great scientists.hatts off.
Lol😂
are you being sarcastic or what?
2 kids, in a class.. Mocking the teacher thinking they're smart, this is what this video is
then prove them wrong....
About 22% of the world are Muslims. So your teacher fails 3/4 of his students and they get tortured forever. That is a terrible teacher.
u 100% right..that what i feel watching that
@@himanaggar because you're a faith fanatic!
Fr bro they really think they debunked us.
> The video Steve is reacting to will be debunked.
> Despite people knowing this before me, I said something true.
> I am the one true prophet, sacrifice your children for my god, the legendary Greek Biggus Dickus! (watched Monty Pyton today lol)
So basically it's a composition/compilation of even more ancient scriptures and knowledge.. that sums it up the best!
This video is awesome, guys! Thank you for your hard work! :)
Thank you for making this video, it has increased my faith.
Yes, this is predicted by evolutionary psychology and the cognitive bug called the illusory truth effect. It describes how when we hear the same false information repeated again and again, we often come to believe it is true. This is one of several tricks that deludes people into following religions. Another one is childhood indoctrination, where the late development of the prefrontal cortex, used for environmental and cultural adaptations, is exploited to indoctrinate children into a false perception of reality. Unfortunately you will not find these real gems of true scientific psychology in your Quran though.
@@matsbjur2535 go and drink whine ohhhh sorry Jesus avoid you to drink bear then y cristians drink wine ohh may be thats your religion niccce
Yes i know right they think they're doing something while they're ONLY increasing our iman
Cope no jutsu ninja right there
@@notwalas6956 So you completely ignore the videos information.
Cope no jutsu.
Doesn’t really debunk it. Just states that they are vague and not all of them applicable.
The special pleading... It's painful...
+ThankGodالله UmmerFarooq Who could argue against: That only a complete fool would buy something completely unseen? All gods praise such fools, and warn against questioning. Why is this, what would a god possibly have to fear from a mere mortal's question Apart from discovery of his fraud.... ?
believe what you like, yr insults give you away for what you are...
In reference to your response for #8, you didn't refute that it was unknown that specifically the front part of the brain, near the forehead, was responsible for conscious choices. People knew the brain was responsible for thoughts, sure, but they didn't know the frontal lobe was responsible for concious choices.
here I am to refute that BRO 3 years later, first of all the original translation means forelocks, basically meaning hair from the front of your head would be pulled...pulling hair is a classic abusive method especially in fights where you drag someone by the hair, their head follows, and thus their body. Also, no science can definitively say the frontal lobe ALONE is responsible for conscious choices, anyone who had a single class/lab in neuroscience in college can affirm to this statement, you don't even have to be a neuroscientist.
I always wondered why an all powerful, all knowing god decided to deliver his message of truth in the form of a book? I mean, no matter which one of the abrahamic religions, all of them were written and put into practice in a time, where the vast majority of people were unable to read. Not only that, they are also filled with metaphors and even today nobody agrees on what should be taken literally and what metaphorically.
Not to mention that for the information to spread, translations from the original language were inevitable, so even more inaccuracies and meanings lost in translations are inevitable, as well.
Idk, seems like a weirdly inefficient way for a god to distribute his most important message among the people.
What do you think would be a better form of communication? Besides direct communication ofc ;_;
It was not came down as a book brother.. it came dowm as revelation and tens of thousands people memorized it and passed from generation to generation. İt only became book during 3rd caliph Osman when huge number of those people have died in a war.
@@mirzamuradzade7040 There is no evidence for a complete Quran dating back to the time of Muhammad. No archaeological evidence can be found of ruins in Mecca, no inscriptions, paintings, artefacts, coins etc. NOTHNIG!
The entire standard Islamic narrative is just a fabrication of the Abbasids to cement their power and rewrite history after the Lakhmids and Sassanids were defeated. Why do you think Al-Bukhari was given 600,000 akbars and whittled them down to just a few thousand? Destroying important history to portray Islam in a positive light.
The Islamic timeline runs contrary to the names, people, places, events etc described by non-Arabs/3rd parties so we know the story suggested by Islamic scholars and commentators is highly likely to be wildly inaccurate.
@@pennyhardaway7491 what a lie!! Just recently 5 years ago Quran was found in Birmingham university. After radiocarbom analysis manuscripts has been dated between 568 to 645. Look for evidence before u talk.
@@mirzamuradzade7040 there is no complete Quran from muhamds time so nobody knows what the original Quran consisted of. The current Quran could therefore be different.
Birmingham folios are a small collection of folios. Most reputable academics agree it is likely to be from the later half of the 8th century due to the script style.
Carbon dating tells you when animal whose skin is written on died. Not when the ink was written on the skin. It can be hundreds of years later since it was an expensive material often written on, erased then rewritten over.
'Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe'.
(AL BAQARA - 6)
@Jinn Genie I haven’t tried to prove anything. Can you not read properly?
@Jinn Genie What errors do you speak off? Errors for you is what your mind cannot understand. You do not deserve to question anyone's authority when your petty little mind cannot understand something clear as black and white to be even tried to be understood logically. There are zero errors in the Qur'an. Every error is inside your brain. Go figure.
There is only one man in history who has been to Heavens door and has returned to describe it. That angelic being is our Holy Prophet. He is the most deserving out of any other being in existence after Allah. You think all that can be read is the facts. You do not realise the Being who created you, amongst his highest is our Prophet. And, Isa is our beloved prophet as well. Your words of hatred mean nothing to me. I do not have to do anything to hurt you.
The first message till the last message all entitles submission. From the religion brought down to Baba Adam/Adam (Father of Humanity) and Bibi Hawa/Eve (Mother of Humanity) the message has ALWAYS been the same. The message was and is SUBMISSION. Go look up the meaning of Islam. Islam was invented by the creator from the very first day on this earth. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
The Qur'an has been tried and altered. It may be electronically altered. It may be physically altered. But, the design of this glorious book is a mathematical equation. It is perfect. There is no book in the world to be compared with the Qur'an. The number of words, number of words per sentence, per paragraph, the sequence of words, the number of letters in each word, everything down to the number of times any word you pick out the glorious Qur'an to see how many times it has been repeated to understand it's importance has been calculated and written. No ordinary soul can write this or anything close to it. You and I cannot comprehend the knowledge of the Being Who created this.
@Jinn Genie @Jinn Genie The Islamic world is the fastest growing religion in the world. We are 24.9% as of 2020. That is 1.9 Billion people. We are second only to our Christian brothers.
The youngest boy in History learned the Holy Qur'an by heart. He is 3 YEARS OLD. You talk about 8 year olds. This the beauty of the Qur'an that people like you are too blind to see.
Stab yourself. Try it. Can you see the pain? Why can't you see the pain? But, you can feel it.
Plants cry when you cut them, it is because they are alive and feel pain.
Why was the Frankenstein goat that was brought back to life, die?
We have souls. Do you know the weight of a soul? See any person who has deceased, see their weight before and after they have perished. That is the weight of the soul.
Can you see the soul? No, but you know it's there. Can you see pain? No, but you know it's there. Doctors can show you the cut, they can't show you what pain is.
Can we see God? No, but we know HE is there.
And, when this world ends, and it will, we pray we are amongst the few who get chosen. Insha'Allah (By the will of God).
I will send no more messages to you. I will repeat the same message I wrote first. I hope you find light at the end of your journey. Insha'Allah.
@Jinn Genie 'Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe'.
(AL BAQARA - 6)
Well done! 👏🏽 Excellent response
Abdullah Sameer ayy the man himself. You’re awesome dude. A true inspiration. Keep up the great work!
Me as a muslim .. its really hard watching all these videos on youtube like imagine spending your whole life believing in something and then slowly not finding anything that would prove youre right .. its like I don't wanna believe it cause maybe the most powerful thing is the change of mind
Ex Muslim here, I know what you're going through
Welcome to science. Islam is no longer relevent. ( and has not been for many years, just primative, fairy-tales).
the problem here is i can almost swear you have not read the whole quran in english and did tafsir with the hadith. and honestly brother , if you re holding on to islam only beacuse you were born into it , it might not do you any good , i belive you shoud just let go , if you dnt understand the reason you re holding on to it thn i am sure your whole ife is filled with doubts, so you re just sitting there waiting for things to go wrong and use it as claim, but in reality thats not the case, you have no faith basicaly because you re ignorant of it, its actually that simple .
@@abdulhakeemsanni7937 Yes. All sane people should let go of Islam. It is to diluted, too sexist and too homophobic and simply way out of date. Let's live in the real world 2018. Live the moment, forget old-fashioned excuses for male dominated religions.
@@vervoid73 yeah the funny thing, every religion is that which you state above, a little more than Islam if you have ever taken your time to read the scriptures, w just decided to follow ours to the letter while other chose to be liberal about theirs. i can wholeheartedly tell 80% of everything banned in islam is banned in Judaism and Christianity. and as per your excuse to what you call "male domination", it is not attributed to any religion it has been and will alway s be, its their in all religion and it is not male domination, lool, if just never took your time to look past what you re been fed by the mainstream media and that's very sad and pitiful , so from what youve written above i am almost sure you have no knowledge of any religious scripture, none whatsoever , and sadly you have none of the left idealogs you claim to be, cos if you really do you will see you re the virus eating up humanity, stats show that , suicide rate is plummeting (20%)in America yet that of trans and gay is on the rise at 40%. and isn't it funny that a religion that is so sexist (islam ) is the fastest growing religion in the world and most of the new converts are WOMEN
Great video, on both the great hosts behalves ^^
And I might be a little mean for saying this, but I really cannot stand the way "Quran" is pronounced.
I REALLY wanted to say this, but thought it would be way too disrespectful. Glad someone else had the same thoughts XD
Haitaka123 don't let your freedom of speech be taken by some Muslim feelings :)
I would hesitate to say that about my worst enemy and my best friend all the same ^^;
I grew up part of my childhood in Canada, and all jokes on stereotypes aside, it really ingrained the politeness sensibility in me.
Cheers!
Haitaka123 What I want to know is, is it "Quran", "Qur'an" or "Koran"? I usually go with "Qur'an".
Lolol thought the same :D
About the iron verse:
Quran also says that many other things were sent from above which simply implies that god gave many things to mankind from above (heavens).
Every time he says the word "Quran" I feel sick
This averse reaction is also described in the Quran
Response to Rationality Rules ‘9 Quranic Miracles Debunked’ Ft. Mohammad Hijab - EpistemiX 15
(search it up)
Mohammad Hijab? Really? He's the one who convinced me that Islam is anything but good.
@@realveral5383 doesn't change the fact that the points he made are valid
I love this series so much omg.
iam 13 and i've been an ex muslim for a year or two now, it feels so liberating knowing nothing i do is a sin but, i have to hide it from my parents and my extremely religious school (that goes out of its way to make us pray for an hour). i will definately move out for college, if i didn't have my online friends i don't know if i would be able to go through this for 2 years.
Take your time and gain your independence. There is no need to crush your parents with truth. 🙂
Good luck. You will do fine. Take care until then 🍀🍀🍀
I didn't know that qur'an is pronounced phlegm-an.
He chokes every time he tries to pronounce Quran
That's a pretty idiotic comment, it's another language and this is the correct pronunciation
@@fenr1r999 But he's speaking in English, for example the word yoghurt comes from Turkish (yoğurt, ğ is not pronounced but used as a vowel lengthener) but still, we pronounce it different from the Turks
This is English
@@1degabyte238 No that is not the same thing. The word yoghurt has been anglicised to the point where it exists as a distinct English word, the etymology is irrelevant. The Qu'ran is an Arabic word, not an English word. This is the pronunciation, since the letter/sound represented by "q" doesn't exist in the English language
@@fenr1r999 even if, we were also making fun of Arabic anyway. I came and went to places with alot of Muslims and that's how they pronounce everything. They hack up a furball
QU*chokes* RAN
8:05
Quran Surah 3:7
It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muhammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise - they are the foundation of the Book - and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allah . But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding.
Salim Ahmed please don’t take stupid Quran seriously
@@greatwarrior4795 All of what atheists are doing right now was predicted by the qur'an hh... You will keep attacking the unspecific verses until science reaches that point where it'll prove the qur'an true, as it actually did with all the other verses. One thing left which science did not mention anything about is the existence of seven universes and only seven earths.
@@greatwarrior4795 I assure you that even if NASA discovers seven universes and seven earths, there will be still atheists saying:"I can't believe in God because I can't see him." Hahaha...The surprising thing is that atheists believe in many things they never saw, but when it comes to their creator they can't believe in him.
@Cynical Skeptic Did you know that God sent 140.000 prophets including 313 messengers throughout history? Did you know this seven heavens verse exists even in the Torah that was sent to Moses 2000 BC or more? So if God sent down 313 messengers, he won't tell some people there are seven heavens and others the opposite. If it exists in the greek or indian mythology, it is just a proof that all religions were the same, till people changed them.
@Cynical Skeptic N.B: I never said the qur'an was special. 90% of the stories in the qur'an do exist in the bible, it just proves that judaism and christianity are true religions, and corrects other things about them. We, as muslims, do not claim the qur'an is any better than Torah or The book of psalms... They are all the word of God...
As ex Muslim watching this 😵💫
Same! I can’t believe I used to fall for these lies 🫣
As an ex-muslim, I find the holy fables of all the cults to be quite laughable. The quran is no exception.