Wondering if Vortex will take it to a 3D build. #CheaterKwad is growing and I cannot wait to see what pilots with more skill than me are able to pull off.
So i was browsing TH-cam just before Xmas and stumbled across a rotor riot episode , never heard of fpv before now i'm hooked and just got back from a practice session....keep up the good work guys
This will be the standard in 6 months. Tricks will harder to authenticate and respect. Thanks a lot Dividingbyzero FPV. Thanks Rotor Riot for shedding light on this. My technology budget unfortunately is still on 4S. Thanks! You guys are fun to watch.
daaaang that was cool. so exciting to see new things happening in flight. i mean 3d hasn't even really become mainstream and we're doing things like this, now if only there were a way to switch the camera not only back and front but upright and upside down, for when you transition to 3d. some very strange things could happen lol
You miiiiiiiight want to check that #CheaterKwad i can confirm two people are uploading footage of 3D CheaterKwads. Myself and Bobeshoz. I know of 3 builds in existence. #CheaterKwad on instagram is starting to grow.
oh hey. its you again. thanks for the help on how to get started and what gear matters/ more money should be spent on on the rotor riot fan club on fb. what a coincidence!
What antennas are you guys running? I see a bunch of stubby's but then a mix of others....trying to find the workable middle of what to use and this video has given me some ideas. Would just like a little more info if you could please and thank you !!!
An improvement to freestyle! I enjoyed too much with the final footage, a really good step forward. There's no stop, makes me wonder how's gonna be like in a yeaar or two from now... guys, I loved it! keep it up!!
The knife edge tree gap at 9 minutes and 10 seconds when switching cams in the middle was great. Very hard to tell if it was a great save or a cheating cam switch, lol. Great job, low GoPro tilt made a world of difference
Something else you could do so you knew whether you are flying front camera or back camera instead of using the momentary switch is turn on the back camera's on screen display if it has one and do the name as back That way every time you switch to the back camera you will see it says back on your display
my first quad i ever built was this, on a chameleon, with a simple av switchboard and the mixing compliments of either pain360 or blue falcon i believe. crazy thing is i have yet to fly it. my maiden was los on my front lawn, never set rates, went to check a flip and only 180d straight into concrete. next flight after thinking i fixed it 2 esc's fireballed on first takeoff. i have restricted my self to whoops or 3" since 2016 lol it still sits on my desk to hopefully inspire some other crazy ideas before you guys think of them
Forgive my ignorance, so this is illegal in racing FPV (assuming from the comment under the video)? Just got my first non-toy grade quad a few months ago, have only flown FPV (using the phone in a headgear mount) a hand full of times.
No. The cheat comes from the mixing done on the control side of things. Basically when younflip the switch going from front to back camera you are also activating a mix in the controller that inverts the channels that need inverting. Compared to somebody like Cricket which has a gift for flying backwards blindly, the 2nd camera is like cheating because while the gopro thinks youbare flying backwards everything else with the activated 2nd cam is just flying forwards. It also applies to 3D flying by having upside down cameras and flying upside down/backwards. The cheat is in the mix and making it so that you are always flying upright/forwards despite what the GoPro represents.
when you switch the camera does the FC also switch and your forward on your transmitter still the same or you have to fly it with reverse on transmitter in mind?
Always as if you are flying normal and forwards... hence cheating. When you switch from front to back it is also inverting your pitch and roll on your controller. So basically you are just remapping what is the new "front" for the drone. But the gopro perspective is now totally different. Works for 3D and using 3Cams as well which means switching to the inverted cam when in 3D mode redefines upright. Now you can shoot gaps upside down and backwards.
I have built a quad with a sp racing f3 and a flysky receiver. I ve a issue with the throttle response: when I arm, motors begin spinning at the minthrottle (that s correct) but, as soon as I raise and lower the stick throttle, it doesn't respond Everything looks ok because, in the receiver section, when I raise the throttle, it respond correctly... I ve also manual control of the motors and I am not in turtle mode... could you help me with this issue?
Ohhhh ohh oh. Fond memories of PlayUAV Osd -- that's an independent OSD from the time before OSDs were integrated into the FC and it had two camera inputs, so I'd use one for the fpv cam and the other for the Gopro-clone-on-a-gimbal tv output. It's still a badass OSD, really recommended, much better than all the minimosd derived current OSDs. It can draw graphics like maps, radar screen type of thing and what not, imagine running through a quad racing circuit and seeing where you are on the circuit like in the old car racing video games.
Pulling this off around some very large tall buildings it would definitely show some of the effects of like backwards flying or doing some rotating around things in reverse would give you a fact that's different or when doing a dive on a building
@@kduemose no need. Bicks Multiview Duo is a switch the size of your pinky fingernail. You can add it to just about any flight controller or control it off the spare PWM output of a Crossfire Nano like I do. You just need the room to run the multiple cameras and be creative if you want to run as many as 3 cameras like I do.
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 okay that's a good choice . Have a couple of drone,s flying with the matek 722se i really like its features switchable VTX switchable duel cam and duel gyro so i only need to add extra camera
@@funKdatFPV there was a Reddit post for how to do betaflight setup for the I/O control of an available pin out. But if you are using a Crossfire Nano, you have those other outputs. So if you have Grd/Pwr/ch1/ch2 all lined up you set your Ch1 and Ch 2 to ouput CRSF TX/RX as normal. But you can run another wire to the CH3 pin of the Nano. That you can assign to put out on whatever channel you want, so my CH3 of my nano outputs like Ch6 that goes with my channel inverting on the radio. When I brought in a 2nd switch for my 3D builds(for up to 3 cams) I used CH4 of the nano and had it set to output CH7. So on my transmitter, CH 6 and CH7 are purely for inverting the required channels on the radio and they also trigger the Bicks Multiview Duo video switches. I can also tell you that Bicks has a Trio switch coming out which will likely work with a 3 channel switch. I personally like having seperate switches due to fine motor control versus gross motore control regarding muscle control under stress. I have a 27min "Under The Hood" video on my youtube page. Describes some of my thoughts and why I did things the way I did. /edit Bardwell has a video on his build and radio setup.
Ok. Good stuff. Would it be possible to reverse roll and yaw controls on the switch that switches camera? That way when you switch, roll and yaw are correct?
DividingByZero FPV Did they switch the controls too? It looked they they were remembering the controls were reversed when they were on the back camera.
Are you guys ever going to experiment with mounting a VR camera!!? I'd love so see some awesome FPVR. I have a camera but it wont fit on my 3 inch...gonna have to upgrade I guess.
I'm loving all these comments about how its "cheating". The fact is flying one of these quads is WAY harder than you think if you wanna get usable footage. It takes a totally different mindset to know what the gopro is pointed at all the time. It is also very disorienting switching back and forth. It takes a whole different skillset to fly one of these smoothly.
Exactly. It is not a tool for trick replacement. It just isnt. And the video hints at that pretty good which is whybI think maybe Drew was underwhelmed by it. It makes flying backwards or upside down easy. But it puts a high load on you to practicr enough to know what kind of shot you will get when coming out of a transition. But the chase/follow footage has the potential to be really good if you communicate with another pilot or driver and it is the number one thing I want to work on going forward.
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 Totally agree. It sounds easy to do and the public perception is that it is some magic unicorn quad that allows you to do all the hard stuff easily. This couldn't be further from the truth. It is a tool for the exploration of a completely different style of flight. You cannot be qualified to speak on the subject of what it is and isn't until you have flown one. Then you understand. You sir, understand. 😉
@@CitraFPV i am hoping Drew tries it more because I really appreciate what he does in terms of flying and artistic editing. I am wondering if he got his expectations set a bit too high and then maybe it was a bit of a let down. But as a tool, especially one to challenge himself, I think he needs to adopt one and push with it a bit. One of the best compliments I ever got was with one of my 3D edits where the person seeing it told me they were almost able to suspend disbelief. Then he said "oh yeah this is a cheaterkwad". To people who are not doing this and just viewing for the first time from outside the hobby, the ability to blow minds is definitely there. That was the kind of feeling I have been shooting for all this time and finding that balance of transitions to help ease the viewer's mind where I want it rather than having a chaotic roller coaster ride with no sense of purpose. And I am not even really that artistic of a person. Or maybe I am and I just have stupid fingers. Kinda like Fry and that deal with the Robot Devil. I want to fly and impress Leela but my thumbs are just too fat and stupid.
@@CitraFPV and now I have Futurama episodes stuck in my head. Sometimes I feel like my flying is a visual representation of Fry thinking of Neck Bolts. Now I gotta go look for that song. Holophoner episode was brilliant.
Seeing how easy it is nowadays with the tech to do a double cam quad it is more amazing that DBV and some others did this with some 'older' tech. Great vid guys, now my mind tells me you need a cheaterquad too. Darn you ......
I have an idea/challenge for a video you guys should make. One person should wear goggles, and the other is the one flying, and the person wearing the goggles has to describe to the person flying what to do to get to return home or get to a set destination. :D
Had to wait to watch this video during my lunch break. Thank you guys for the mention and showing some of the flight clips.
Wondering if Vortex will take it to a 3D build. #CheaterKwad is growing and I cannot wait to see what pilots with more skill than me are able to pull off.
Wish I got to be there with all my builds. My 5s 6in can rip. Latest video "CheaterKwad F#*! YEAH!" Is a practice session trying new transitions.
Nice work DBZ! Thanks for exploring new horizons :)
"DON'T FORGET THE F*CKING BELL!" holy shit Drew you just made me burst out laughing at 2am bahahaha
So i was browsing TH-cam just before Xmas and stumbled across a rotor riot episode , never heard of fpv before now i'm hooked and just got back from a practice session....keep up the good work guys
So awesome to hear :)
Amazing!!! Thank you for do stuff like this. The FPV is growing!!!!
🔥🔥🔥
The Music takes me back and makes me feel like a Kwad Fairy or a Ghost.
Great explanations and so much fun to watch how quickly you all adapted!
This is no longer simply-complex flight...its increased the axis capable movement and I appreciate that ALOT!....that all looked so incredible!
This will be the standard in 6 months. Tricks will harder to authenticate and respect. Thanks a lot Dividingbyzero FPV. Thanks Rotor Riot for shedding light on this. My technology budget unfortunately is still on 4S. Thanks! You guys are fun to watch.
Should be called the Zero Gravity Vanover spin. He did it first. Nice job guys!
Really fascinating trial and error guys. Seriously, that was entertaining watching you guys figure this stuff out.
daaaang that was cool. so exciting to see new things happening in flight. i mean 3d hasn't even really become mainstream and we're doing things like this, now if only there were a way to switch the camera not only back and front but upright and upside down, for when you transition to 3d. some very strange things could happen lol
You miiiiiiiight want to check that #CheaterKwad i can confirm two people are uploading footage of 3D CheaterKwads. Myself and Bobeshoz. I know of 3 builds in existence.
#CheaterKwad on instagram is starting to grow.
oh hey. its you again. thanks for the help on how to get started and what gear matters/ more money should be spent on on the rotor riot fan club on fb. what a coincidence!
What antennas are you guys running? I see a bunch of stubby's but then a mix of others....trying to find the workable middle of what to use and this video has given me some ideas. Would just like a little more info if you could please and thank you !!!
This so awesome. I know why you guys keep Vanover around. Great pilot!
An improvement to freestyle! I enjoyed too much with the final footage, a really good step forward. There's no stop, makes me wonder how's gonna be like in a yeaar or two from now... guys, I loved it! keep it up!!
I hope that this frontier gets taken up and refined by more pilots. It's fascinating stuff. Props to DBZ for pioneering.
Cheers guys, looks like a fun thing to try. Definitely going to try this!
The knife edge tree gap at 9 minutes and 10 seconds when switching cams in the middle was great. Very hard to tell if it was a great save or a cheating cam switch, lol. Great job, low GoPro tilt made a world of difference
4yrs later, why is this not on the market yet?? Lets gooooooo!
Sickest thing I have seen in FPV this year!
Ty so much for the “Cheater Quad”... as soon as I get it up in the air I will send you the video. 😎👍💯
Great video. Best episode in ages 😊
Ummagawd needs to redo his Chernobyl dive with this that would be amazing
I want to see what Skitzo can do with this.
Crickets legacy was just killed! He's the king of flying blind and now we can all cheat it! LOL
You're still top pilot in my book @cricketFPV
Cricket's the man! I don't think that boy cheats at anything.
Something else you could do so you knew whether you are flying front camera or back camera instead of using the momentary switch is turn on the back camera's on screen display if it has one and do the name as back That way every time you switch to the back camera you will see it says back on your display
I few people do this when they have 3 or 4 cameras, with some inverted. Checkout DividingByZero.
Thanks for sharing... Alex certainly found the flow of this very well. Thanks for sharing :)
How do you guys like the nirvana? I see that's what you are using. I use x-lite s and was looking at the nirvana just wondering
That was slick. Thanks for showing your practice runs and explanation of what's going on. ♥ :-)
I have to build one of these now, thinking of using a 7 inch frame though to give more room for components.
This is going to make building dives look epic
Using a momentary switch for the camera is good. But different color props front and back will also help.
i think this broke my brain, it's first time i've ever had motion sickness watching an FPV video!
Drew have a special gift I guess... Its called "The gift to destroy the things that don't belongs to him"
Really great idea 👍
my first quad i ever built was this, on a chameleon, with a simple av switchboard and the mixing compliments of either pain360 or blue falcon i believe. crazy thing is i have yet to fly it. my maiden was los on my front lawn, never set rates, went to check a flip and only 180d straight into concrete. next flight after thinking i fixed it 2 esc's fireballed on first takeoff. i have restricted my self to whoops or 3" since 2016 lol it still sits on my desk to hopefully inspire some other crazy ideas before you guys think of them
Using the Nirvana Dark Night for the switch shots! Love that unit. I can appreciate the Flysky Love!!! LOL
This cheater quad is so amazing. I would totally build one if I had the money to do so. Amazing video guys and thanks for sharing.
i thought this was kinda gimmicky at first but now i see the fun.
i was the same
Forgive my ignorance, so this is illegal in racing FPV (assuming from the comment under the video)? Just got my first non-toy grade quad a few months ago, have only flown FPV (using the phone in a headgear mount) a hand full of times.
No. The cheat comes from the mixing done on the control side of things. Basically when younflip the switch going from front to back camera you are also activating a mix in the controller that inverts the channels that need inverting.
Compared to somebody like Cricket which has a gift for flying backwards blindly, the 2nd camera is like cheating because while the gopro thinks youbare flying backwards everything else with the activated 2nd cam is just flying forwards.
It also applies to 3D flying by having upside down cameras and flying upside down/backwards.
The cheat is in the mix and making it so that you are always flying upright/forwards despite what the GoPro represents.
when you switch the camera does the FC also switch and your forward on your transmitter still the same or you have to fly it with reverse on transmitter in mind?
Always as if you are flying normal and forwards... hence cheating. When you switch from front to back it is also inverting your pitch and roll on your controller. So basically you are just remapping what is the new "front" for the drone. But the gopro perspective is now totally different.
Works for 3D and using 3Cams as well which means switching to the inverted cam when in 3D mode redefines upright. Now you can shoot gaps upside down and backwards.
DividingByZero FPV that’s dope, ok I’m in. Gonna build
One.
might have to build one. seems like a new fun twist on things. got to keep the interest level up!
Totally nailed it guys - I like you comming up with new ideas!
You guys should try the cheater quad and put the 360-degree camera on it and see what that's all about. Great video guys.
So cool you guys having way to much fun lol
Is the Session footage a little blurry or am I just spoiled by the most recent Gopros?
I have built a quad with a sp racing f3 and a flysky receiver. I ve a issue with the throttle response: when I arm, motors begin spinning at the minthrottle (that s correct) but, as soon as I raise and lower the stick throttle, it doesn't respond
Everything looks ok because, in the receiver section, when I raise the throttle, it respond correctly... I ve also manual control of the motors and I am not in turtle mode... could you help me with this issue?
This, combined with 3D should be awesome, gotta go check out DividingByZero's page now. Great job guys, looks like it could be fun
Now you gotta try Cheaterkwad moves with a normal quad. Test pilots memory and knowledge of how their quad flies.
That is the best a rotor Riot video can get........ Without botgrinder 😏
Dude this is Awesome!!
Nice what were the tilts of two fpv cam? Backward cam should be lower, isn't it?
wicked cant wait to see where this ends up going!
Do you guys have pre flashed plug-and-play boards for an X Style quadcopter
Ohhhh ohh oh. Fond memories of PlayUAV Osd -- that's an independent OSD from the time before OSDs were integrated into the FC and it had two camera inputs, so I'd use one for the fpv cam and the other for the Gopro-clone-on-a-gimbal tv output. It's still a badass OSD, really recommended, much better than all the minimosd derived current OSDs. It can draw graphics like maps, radar screen type of thing and what not, imagine running through a quad racing circuit and seeing where you are on the circuit like in the old car racing video games.
Pulling this off around some very large tall buildings it would definitely show some of the effects of like backwards flying or doing some rotating around things in reverse would give you a fact that's different or when doing a dive on a building
Its so cool to see a bunch a fellow nerds freaking out about 2 cameras
Have not seen any of them continuing to experiment with it yet. I am waiting and watching. Hopefully more people will start playing with it.
Nice! Now I have to build one...
Mateksys 722se or 722se mini
@@kduemose no need. Bicks Multiview Duo is a switch the size of your pinky fingernail. You can add it to just about any flight controller or control it off the spare PWM output of a Crossfire Nano like I do. You just need the room to run the multiple cameras and be creative if you want to run as many as 3 cameras like I do.
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 You can run it off of the Nano? Any online docs for it?
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 okay that's a good choice . Have a couple of drone,s flying with the matek 722se i really like its features switchable VTX switchable duel cam and duel gyro so i only need to add extra camera
@@funKdatFPV there was a Reddit post for how to do betaflight setup for the I/O control of an available pin out.
But if you are using a Crossfire Nano, you have those other outputs. So if you have Grd/Pwr/ch1/ch2 all lined up you set your Ch1 and Ch 2 to ouput CRSF TX/RX as normal.
But you can run another wire to the CH3 pin of the Nano. That you can assign to put out on whatever channel you want, so my CH3 of my nano outputs like Ch6 that goes with my channel inverting on the radio.
When I brought in a 2nd switch for my 3D builds(for up to 3 cams) I used CH4 of the nano and had it set to output CH7.
So on my transmitter, CH 6 and CH7 are purely for inverting the required channels on the radio and they also trigger the Bicks Multiview Duo video switches.
I can also tell you that Bicks has a Trio switch coming out which will likely work with a 3 channel switch. I personally like having seperate switches due to fine motor control versus gross motore control regarding muscle control under stress.
I have a 27min "Under The Hood" video on my youtube page. Describes some of my thoughts and why I did things the way I did.
/edit
Bardwell has a video on his build and radio setup.
Well that made me want to vomit. lol. Awesome flights!
whaha the beatboxing at the end cracked me up XD got to give you a lesson some day Drib ;)
Thumbs up ere' Rotor Riot fellow Drone Seekers - many thanks for sharing :)
Damn cool! Vanover clearly likes this, he had the best moves imho
So funny how Le Drib is an excellent crash pilot. First with the hexes, and then the cheater quad. 😆
Drew& Vani.. you guys had some awesome footage at the end! Very Nicely done. Sick episode!
Ok. Good stuff. Would it be possible to reverse roll and yaw controls on the switch that switches camera? That way when you switch, roll and yaw are correct?
That is exactly what is done.
DividingByZero FPV Did they switch the controls too? It looked they they were remembering the controls were reversed when they were on the back camera.
Fracis FPV No, we had the controls switch when the camera switched. We were forgetting which way we were going until we put it on a momentary.
WOW that is awesome... different for sure.
Couldnt tell ya how many times i tilted my head watching this
i think it would be awesome for reverse building dives
Lmaoooo. Imagine cheating Cricket's reverse dive so easily
🙌🏼Cool man🤖 Keep up the Work Bad ASS 🐝
THIS is what I wanted to see. Thank you!
OH MAN, I have got to build one of these!!!!!
0:02 that's Steele's UFO passing by
Ok... Got my two cameras soldered to the board.. What UART does the Flux Capacitor get wired to???
Are you guys ever going to experiment with mounting a VR camera!!? I'd love so see some awesome FPVR. I have a camera but it wont fit on my 3 inch...gonna have to upgrade I guess.
Could you mix the camera aux with the yaw, roll and pitch controller input, inverting them whenever aux is activated?
You could have an amazing backwards wall ride though...haha :)
Okay! This is rad!
I'm a fan!.. Some really nice moves..
Inverted yaw transitions ? 🥃cheers🍻
Is that what Cricket does? lol This is really cool.
so sick. Now I want to build one....
Drew being the downer in the group 😅 lol
Can you set it so the switching happens when the accelerometer senses you’re going backwards
Pretty awesome!
Finally a use for our momentary switches
I use mine as a Pre arm and horizon mode as bailout incase video or orientation loss ;)
Buuuff.. Great video guys.. Nice freestyle rap at the end..
I'm loving all these comments about how its "cheating". The fact is flying one of these quads is WAY harder than you think if you wanna get usable footage. It takes a totally different mindset to know what the gopro is pointed at all the time. It is also very disorienting switching back and forth. It takes a whole different skillset to fly one of these smoothly.
Exactly. It is not a tool for trick replacement. It just isnt. And the video hints at that pretty good which is whybI think maybe Drew was underwhelmed by it.
It makes flying backwards or upside down easy. But it puts a high load on you to practicr enough to know what kind of shot you will get when coming out of a transition.
But the chase/follow footage has the potential to be really good if you communicate with another pilot or driver and it is the number one thing I want to work on going forward.
@@dividingbyzerofpv6748 Totally agree. It sounds easy to do and the public perception is that it is some magic unicorn quad that allows you to do all the hard stuff easily. This couldn't be further from the truth. It is a tool for the exploration of a completely different style of flight. You cannot be qualified to speak on the subject of what it is and isn't until you have flown one. Then you understand. You sir, understand. 😉
@@CitraFPV i am hoping Drew tries it more because I really appreciate what he does in terms of flying and artistic editing. I am wondering if he got his expectations set a bit too high and then maybe it was a bit of a let down.
But as a tool, especially one to challenge himself, I think he needs to adopt one and push with it a bit.
One of the best compliments I ever got was with one of my 3D edits where the person seeing it told me they were almost able to suspend disbelief. Then he said "oh yeah this is a cheaterkwad". To people who are not doing this and just viewing for the first time from outside the hobby, the ability to blow minds is definitely there.
That was the kind of feeling I have been shooting for all this time and finding that balance of transitions to help ease the viewer's mind where I want it rather than having a chaotic roller coaster ride with no sense of purpose.
And I am not even really that artistic of a person. Or maybe I am and I just have stupid fingers. Kinda like Fry and that deal with the Robot Devil. I want to fly and impress Leela but my thumbs are just too fat and stupid.
@@CitraFPV and now I have Futurama episodes stuck in my head. Sometimes I feel like my flying is a visual representation of Fry thinking of Neck Bolts. Now I gotta go look for that song.
Holophoner episode was brilliant.
Awesome stuff!
Seeing how easy it is nowadays with the tech to do a double cam quad it is more amazing that DBV and some others did this with some 'older' tech. Great vid guys, now my mind tells me you need a cheaterquad too. Darn you ......
That’s some crazy stuff right there!
Hello, you fly with the nirvana no?
Whoa, very very interesting. Wish I could upvote twice.
looks cool might set one up and have a play
A real cheater quad is a controllable 360 camera with 3D props.
I have an idea/challenge for a video you guys should make.
One person should wear goggles, and the other is the one flying, and the person wearing the goggles has to describe to the person flying what to do to get to return home or get to a set destination. :D
I get what you guys are doing and it's great! And your ridiculous lol. I love that too. Keep up the good work.
Holy shit I've been away for some time and now it's all different people
And Bardwell
Holy shit
Hello
Very cool guys!
I figured you guys have been doing this for awhile now anyway.....Cheat , cheat...so we did learn something today...Lol
Funniest thing.. seeing four grownups with goggles on.. if you don't know about fpv drones.. that look ridiculous 🤣
it is like seeing 4 people sitting together at the pub, texting each other rather than talking,
These guys are kids..... Im 52 and into FPV. LOL. My wife tells me to grow-up, I just laugh and fly