COH2 2v2 Luvnest (OH) & DevM (OK) vs Thoton (SU) & Seeking (UK)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2020
- Company of Heroes 2 Luvnest (Ostheer, Jaeger Armour) & DevM (OKW, Luftwaffe Ground Forces) vs Thoton (Soviet Union, Mechanised Support) & Seeking (British Forces, Royal Artillery) on Crossing in the Woods
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Thanks for the upload! You done so much for the community tightrope, we can't be thankful enough.
Wanted to see how a pro counter IS with okw. Learned nothing. Pros lose to them the same way i do :(
I must recommend Jagers, if u dont mind lockin urself into a doctrine
DevM tried the early double mg but it didn't really pan out
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Gates Of Hades infantry sections
@@tightropegaming i tryed double mg as well, should be the counter but its really tough to actually do it because if both mgs dont face the same way u will most likely loose one mg to the section blob and having such bad map control early on to fuel just puts u so far back especially as okw where vehicles are much more expensive, his luchs play was really awesome tho had me laughing
What a game. Thanks for the quality casting man!
Amazing game. I think luvnest didnt deserve to lose, he played so fantastically well.
Last stand at the bridge, that was awesome
anyone else thinks the brits offmap artillery needs some nerf?
Brit needs some bong
Whole faction is crazy op
I feel like this is one of those situations where it would have been better if the axis had switched sides. OKW just has too hard of a time vs UKF but can fight against Soviets fairly well. OST isn't amazing vs UKF, but can at least suppress Sections in the early game to help gain some map control. I know people don't like switching sides because it takes longer to get there, but I feel like the OKW/Brit match up is so one sided at the moment that you seriously need to consider that as an option.
Volks are trash vs tommies no matter how we view it I can only get a obers to effectively fight them but by the time obers hit the field tommies are vet 2 or 3 with brens already and you need to vet your obers to vet 2 to match up the dps of those vet 3 tommies i just feel like volks are close to being conscripts when it comes to their durability they drop models too fast like a fly yet tommies can go down below 30% of thier max hp without dropping a single model how is that balanced tho
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@@ashuraikvar7320 no they aren't cons are designated flesh meat infantry their equivalent are ostruppen volkz should perform better than cons because they are main line infantry equivalent to rifles and tommies, they concept of cons is same as ostruppen they are weak but numerous infantry that is cheap and cheap to reinforce volks on the other hand are battle hardened infantry it is as what their description says they are the main infantry for okw same goes for grens for the osteer but in this current patch volks are basically a expensive conscripts they are not good versus any other mainline infantry but conscripts thats the only infantry in the allies they can go agaist like 1v1 them but when cons are vet 3 and has 7man upgrade even vet5 volks lose to them, as of now volks are the weakest among other mainline infantry the stg upgrade isnt even better or on par with a grens with lmg
@@ashuraikvar7320 ostrupen are axis version of cons low manpower to reinforce and volks are not equivalent to cons either volks are suppose to be mainline infantry like rifles and tommies if volks are on the same tier of cons then they should be cheap to reinforce hans can make the ostruppen work its just like playing axis with cons build they are weak but cheap to reinforce infantry if you will read the unit description cons are alike ostrupen they are fleshmeat meant to die but yet cheap to reinforce they work like ostrupen, volks are mainline infantry same tier for rifles and tommies, penals is the top unit in this tier. obers,falls are elite infantry and is in the same tier as paras,guards, para guards, shocks, commandos, stormtroops. And dont confuse sturm pios as mainline infantry bcoz they aren't they are elite utility squad same tier as usf's assualt engineer.
You say the infantry department of coh2 is balanced? Have you watched this video? Where is the balance in that okw vs ukf mainline infantry match up? Tommies can just blob on your side and your volks cant do anything about it, you build mg? Tommies can melt those head on without needing to flank it, volks cant do that even at vet 5. The tommies in this video didnt even have a single weapon upgrade how much worst match up for the volks if they have 1 per squad or how much even more worst if they have 2 brens on each squad, volks even have their stgs but still lose the engagement to no weap upgrade tommies, you call that balanced? Ofcourse you're gonna argue about the obers right? What difference can a single squad vanilla obers do in that situation? He cant even upgrade his obers with lmg if he got obers becoz he needs to spend his munis on healing, guess what tommies can heal themselves without even spending munis hows that? The only time devem was able to counter the tommy blob was his luchs that is his sole unit that can deal with that blob not even his double mg. Then the luchs got hard countered again by that valentine and AEC. So how can you say that the infantry department is balanced? If you need to make a vechicle out just to counter tommies? If its balanced then you wouldnt need to go for a vechicle to counter such blob becoz you can counter it with your own blob right? But thats not the case cuz tommies eat volks for breakfast. Grens with lmg might do better than a volks but they still arent gonna win the engagement becoz 5man double brens ofcourse 😉🙃
You call that balanced? Im not even mentioning how guards counters both infantry and light vechicles or the ISU 152 countering infantry and armor, is there a unit on the axis side that can do the same job? None. "Balanced"
@@ashuraikvar7320 in a map as open as that how can you get a pioneer that close to even be effective against the tommies? Maybe on certain maps that can workout but this map no way.
Now for the elite infantry, tommies can go toe to toe against obers or falls sure tommies cant 1v1 them in an engagement cuz obers will win that engagement all day especially vet 2 obers they do fine against vet 3 tommies with double brens they dont destroy vet 3 tommies with double brens but they scale on far or slightly better against vet 3 tommies double brens, but u have to consider the numbers my friend obers might me better against tommies with vet but obers arent mainline infantry they are elite infantry ofcourse they will win on 1v1 scenario obers dont come any cheap too 400mp and 30+mp to reinforce in a team match a ukf player can do that 5 tommies strat but on the other hand okw cant do that unless he is into memes now in an actual match like this its hard to get obers or even double obers because you lose so much manpower trying to maintain map control what Ive been trying to say is that u can spam tommies all day but u cant spam obers, they take a huge pop cap and every model they drop is so expensive to reflenish while tommies in the other hand is cheaper than obers cheaper to replenish. That is why every player needs a reliable mainline infantry bcoz they are the infantry that you are going to use majority of your match's duration, if you dont have a reliable mainline infantry to contest with the other factions then you have a handicap straight from the start of the match thats what makes it "unbalanced" if they want to keep this tommies as how they are right now then they should make the opposing faction's mainline infantry perform the same as the tommies are somewhat alike becoz rightnow there is a very noticeable imbalance between axis and allied mainline infantry. We arent even taking into account the fact that allied infantry can double weapon upgrade their infantry double lmg non doctrine not a single axis infantry can double lmg that is non doctrinal but we are not even talking about that just now just the sheer performance of tommies versus volks imagine just the sheer vanilla performance its imbalanced how much more difference there is in the lategame?
tightrope, love ur video. one suggestion, can you make 4k or at least 3k gameplay complementary? It's enjoyable listen to your clear voice and gonna be a bonus to see clearer videos. cheers, good work.
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I don't understand what the point of picking Luftwaffe 20 mins into the game is against soviets. m5 instantly shuts down planes, I suppose the smoke plane gets you a bit of sight and smoke still. Obers are better Fallschirmjägers. Was it for valiant assault?
Anyway, I'm wondering which commanders OKW players will be picking, now that both Spec ops and Grand offensive have been reigned in. I'm guessing it'll still be GO, since it still has a number of decent abilities, but it probably won't be as dominant. Maybe we'll see some double ost finally.
i'm enjoying the elite armour doctrine. 2 stuka followed by king tiger. make sure to move my extra resource vehicle from fuel to munitions after king tiger comes out, so i got endless armour pierce rounds, repair and call down arty (from the sight commander upgrade). works best in a 2v2, as my ally buddy always players wehr, and builds two fuel caches. A king tiger with armour pierce rounds can two shot kill a SU-85 front armour. its not always guaranteed. need some damage luck, but a paid for faust can finish off the smidge of health that is sometimes left over. ps. a king tiger on vet 1 (and using spearhead) WITH the commander upgrade has sight of around 60 (don't know the exact amount, but its very far, feels like 60). its awesome.
@@ericaugust1501 I love Elite Armour too, but I hope it never gets buffed, because I don't wanna see it get overnerfed.
@@angels2onlinehaha. yeah, i was afraid to even mention in my post script about the spearhead and commander upgrade sight thing. because its epic and would not want the balance squad to realise the okw actually have something that is halfway good.
Come on, Luvnest should have send his sniper to the OKW site early when the Brit sniper come out, then tell the OKW to bait the British by soft retreat so Brit will move their line up => Brit sniper shot => Wehr counter sniped => easier for OKW to deal with his side.
But nah, they just straight up playing 1v1 on 2vs2 game, no support each other and on paper, Brit sniper is better at draining OKW manpower compare to Wehr sniper killing 6 model squad.
And rather than upgrade the 251 to flame halftrack, he should keep it as vanilla to reinforce, healing, sight buffing to support his Grenadiers and AT team. A vet 3 251 halftrack with spotting scope + an Elefant in late game? best combo ever.
@LieutenantLipton In theory you are 100% right but it would have recquire insane micro skills (sniper is already very micro demanding so when you have to micro him + your side against a top player...).
Nah an upgraded 251 ht is the best early game unit, maybe he was just a bit over aggressive. Using it to reinforce also leads to bleed your manpower since you always soft retreat (and therefore take more damage while retreating). In fact Luvnest game was almost perfect but he was penalized by his mate's the lack of map control
man those tommies are bullies! I too think the axis could have better with more and earlier rocket artillery.
long time not see devm
Not going in for the kill on Su-152 was also a big mistake, rather loose a P4 there and get
Does the soviet-152 have better range than the Elephant?
No, same 70 range
@@olivernathan3924 thanks. i expect the jagtiger is 80 then?
@@ericaugust1501 Jagdtiger has 70 range as of September.
DevM have back to game?
Vet 2 panther and comet has equal armor.
But I never saw so many bounce from a cromwell on a vet2 Panther xD Like PZIV did here on Comet.
But comet can't guarantee penetration with every shot on p4, which is ridiculous given its price
Are you kidding? Cromwell cant even pen panther's side armor, left alone frontal armor at long range like that
Cromwell is a pretty bad tank overall. I would trade it for a basic Sherman anyday because at least it kills infantry. Comet, however, is a wet dream.
@@mikerodrigues9822 agreed, so comet performing slightly worse than panther against tanks is acceptable, especially with its fuel price slightly lower than panther's
How do you put tactical map on your mouse guys?
That moment when the Falls went down... I felt genuine happiness, chef's kiss moment.
I felt the same when the UKF sniper died. Pure skill from luvnest.
30:19 cant believe Luvnest didnt activate target weak point here :3
Yeah brits are way too strong right now lol
Isu so busted xD
I stopped playing this game because of brits, not fun anymore
Allies are balanced
They got a 6man AT crew that can camo and move while being camo, axis got reks 5man only cam camo but cant crawl into position anymore
They got an heavy TD that can smash anything long range while ele can only hit tanks
Got a light tank thats good for recon and killing infantry and can take 3 pak hits while axis only got 222 not amazing in killing infantry compared to t70 and can only take 2 AT shots
Got an infantry thats good without weapons very good accuracy when stationary but now can also run and gun and can heal for free, while axis need to spend and tech up or spend 40munis for healing, even got the best squad wiping nade in the game, while axis have a 4man squad and a useless 5man volks that drops like flies
Allies have the quad that can 1 burst insta kill planes also cheap to get while axis can niether spen 90 fuel 300mp for oswind that can kill planes like the quad does, or 50 fuel for the flak hald track with the similar story
Have a tank thats like a panther but can hit both tanks and infantry while panthers cant even do that shit
Coh2 is the most balanced rts for team games it is, its quite simple if you want to win the game easily pick an allied faction if you want to niether lose a game or win a game with luck and difficulty pick an axis faction so balanced as ever I think brit needs more buff tho maybe 6 pounder should have camo too
Allies>axis its 2020 yet still devs cant balance their game
Germans lost the war.
@@gatesofhades534 germans lost the war but its a game and its much more fun to play competitively if all factions are equally balanced
People seems to forget about the times when Soviets have like 30% WR against OKW or the complete Axis team game dominance until year ago lol. Balance is a hard thing to do right, it’ll come around.
Quad is better than 2 Ostwind..
ISU can deal with all targets... Even in AI mode it can good penetrate most armor... It's a joke.
Tell us... Why wasnt the isu touched since 4 years while all other heavy get their nerves with mostly every patch? Isu is bs op
@@gatesofhades534 Yes, we should make it so that if you choose allies you automaticaly win to make it historicaly accurate.