You Tell James, either he reviews and bench test it, or he's Fired!! Seriously, though, we need a review...you're the most trusted person in hometheater and audio reviews for a reason.
The reason I ask is that I have two svs pb 16 ultras an I was thinking of adding another one to my theater but they are going up on there price this month an I also was looking at the Dual psa 18" wanting something that Diggs a little deeper so I was thinking of selling the svs an getting something in about the same price range the could be considered an upgrade
They sound pretty damn good through my headphones! Rattled my brain. Using a rooted galaxy note 4 with viper4arise fx (one of the best sound mods) sound mod and Dolby atmos
It was a fun experience it's a bit big what the price point is amazing and for free delivery. Is awesome but I think the size is just too much large size too big to fit in the space but it is awesome thank you Merry Christmas and have a wonderful happy New Year 2020 audioholics,
Did you ever follow-up with a review of the 460/465T's? I'm shopping around for the $2k tower shootout again and I'm not seeing an updated 2020 version with these in the mix.
My Samsung Galaxy S8 easily reproduced the sound of the dual 15"'s. The bass impact was absolutely tremendous, unlike any other sub I've heard over my phones integrated 3/16" speaker.
About time someone is coming close to my Subs design.... Dual-Opposed 18" LMS Drivers, 4000w Pro Amps to each driver X 3 for my huge room. Lookin Good....
I want a PSA S7201 Review/comparison to a dual setup. I'm toying with getting the S7201 for a 3 Sub system, perhaps with dual PB-4000's in the front. Unless I build my diy custom Sub with the TC Sounds LMS5400 Titanium QVC 18 Driver, 4000wRMS Plate Amp, and the Cabinet that I had PWK Designs (Hexibase) design for me.
@@Len_M. have the S7201 in my living room. It replaced a PB-13 ultra, which now resides out in my garage. Here are my thoughts. First thing I noticed was SQ, the S7201 hits so damn clean I've never heard anything like it. I was honestly a bit worried about a sealed sub not hitting as hard. Well, if that's true then the 4 subs and 4000 watts make up for a lack of port boost and cut out all of the phase issues. I used to think that stuff was hooey, I've ran ported subs for years in home and in cars, sounded great to me. The PB13 now sounded like a fartbox. First thing I did with the Ultra in the garage was plugged the ports for the first time ever and tried to enjoy it. It sounded better with the ports plugged for sure, but was nowhere near what the S7201 could do. Obviously. So I ordered a PSA S3010 B-stock (light scratches) to couple with the Ultra out in the garage. All things considered on paper they should be roughly equal. The S7201 is in the corner of my living room, and in my open-floor plan ranch style home, it has to energize the whole house. It does this like nothing else I've experienced in my life. My floor moves up and down, my eyeballs vibrate. No bass is ever missed, skipped or compressed. Out in my single car garage, these 2 subs don't even come close. On paper they really should, roughly 2700 watts of power and 43 inches of cone area in a much smaller space vs 4000 watts and 72 inches in a much larger one. Like I said, absolutely no comparison. S7201 all day long. I don't think you'll need to worry about the PB-4000's up front, but if you did I'd honestly just get a second S7201. I can't imagine what a pair of those would do.
Gene I'm thinking of getting the Monoprice THX 365iw in-wall speakers. I've searched everywhere and I cant find a single review.. Please any Information would be greatly appreciated.
Haha so happy you gave them what they asked for on the listening test! Maybe they'll final get that whatever you're hearing will not translate onto different speakers lol
I didn´t have my headphones plugged in and just ran it trough the speakers on my macbook. And there was nothing. It just cancelled out everything up until Godzilla screams. It must have been awesome live!
our audience often asks for listening demos of the products we have under review. Some are belligerent telling us to be quite so they can hear the speakers we have under test. LOL
Laying the sub on its side won't affect the performance. Of course, if it's a hard floor, place something soft under the sub so neither it or the floor gets scuffed or scratched.
Where's the THX Certification on the electronics? The lack thereof diminishes the value of the loudspeakers if purchased as a complete Monoprice system.
Don’t do any listening test don’t listen to the dummies who want to hear that, i love how dumb people are how far you hear what i speaker sounds like thru other speakers lol I love the Channel keep the videos coming best TH-cam channel by far 🙌🙌🙌
Wow 260lbs?! I drove today 3.5H to pickup a (Anthem P5) 130lbs 5ch amplifier and I never had so much pain the ass to transport that from the guy's basement to my car then to my condo 24 stairs higher x_x No way I would even attempt lifting anything heavier! It was already just 10lbs less than my own body lol. Hmm, seems very expensive for a processor. I unboxed today my brand new (Anthem AVM60) and it was 3000$CAD so roughly half the Monoprice :o I doubt that many people do use 16 chanels at home. The sub test was just so funny haha, of course it was trash through my phone.
Ha! I heard nothing on my MacBook Pro when he held the mic to the subs. After I plugged in a Dragonfly Red DAC and KZ-ZS10 Pro in ear monitors I got some cranium rumble. :-)
Audioholics that’s too bad! I’d be happy to help if he was in the Houston area. Just for the chance to hear this monster! And read the review. I got the mono 12” right after your review on the series. Now I’m itching for more bass! Maybe this is the end game
I think 4 6.5" woofers working from 80 Hz on up is fine. They are meant to be used with a sub. I did a quick sim with a few assumptions, RS180 from Dayton and 114db came up.
I will review it if you are willing to carry the 250+ lbs sub up and down a staircase twice, load it in my car twice, and 200ft out in the middle of a testing field and back. Deal?
I have two 15'5 in a ported box that will give this a run for the money or destroy it for 1/5th the money.But for the people that can't build there own stuff its a option i guess....
@@jondoe6618 I went to your channel and checked out what you have or seem to be using. You're one of those guys that sees how many subs they can run off of a cheap amp and thinks 50% distortion is "low bass". Really though, you spent more than $500 bucks. While you might be using an amp from 2010 and a decent one at that, it cost something in the first place. Around $500 new. Your subs had to cost something even if they are inexpensive ones. Then you have the necessary materials cost to build a box. And the all-important time factor. I don't know about you, but I get paid to work. I may enjoy building things, but it's still work, and the older I get I realize a lot of that stuff is just a waste of my time. You may think your time is free, but mine isn't. So I'll give you a pass on that one because maybe your time is not valuable. So, my fuzzy math without all of the factors being known is adding up to way more than a 1/5th of the cost, even if your time is free. Hence, you are talking out of your ass. Even if your sub did sound as good or better, you spent more than you said.
I am really excited about that 16 channel processor. Datasat cinema processors are by far the best processors in the history of digital cinema. Gene would you happen to know what DACs are implemented in this unit ??
I just heard the "listening demo" through my IPad. An utterly useless experience on my one .0025in speakers. On another note that's a fantastic price for a beast of a subwoofer. I think that would destroy the foundation of your house though. And the neighbors' foundations nearby.
Monoprice has ripped off other companies/engineer designs in the past without credit. Companies that do this should not be given off lightly and should be acknowledged as such.
Gene, they copied Energy speakers in the beginning and got sued. They made some design changes to get out of it. That updated 5.1 system is still available on their site.
Monoprice doesn't really design anything. They buy OEM and ODM goods and have them rebranded with Monoprice logos. In the case of the Energy knock-offs, what is clearly happening is Monoprice bought identical units from the same factory that Energy got their products from. That is not a reverse engineered product, that is from the same production lines. The problem is that the manufacturer was willing to sell the same product to other companies and that Monoprice was willing to bring to market designs that Energy held patents to. I am sure Monoprice would not have brought that product to market if they know that it could possibly infringe on design patents from other companies. My guess is Monoprice assumed that the OEM held the patents since it was willing to sell that same exact product rebranded for other companies. Monoprice mostly just buys premade items from foreign manufacturing or contracts design and manufacturing work from outfits like Claridy or ATI. They are not in the business of deliberately making knock-offs. If you want to ding a popular audio company for ripping off other design work, the worst-case offender has to be Behringer, although they seemed to be just using original design work in recent history. However, years ago, they ripped off al the engineering that they could.
You Tell James, either he reviews and bench test it, or he's Fired!! Seriously, though, we need a review...you're the most trusted person in hometheater and audio reviews for a reason.
Great video Gene!! I'm seeing a lot of great products coming from Monoprice...some of these other companies better start paying attention.
Monoprice may not be the “besr” brand but they do make decent products for very fair prices. Never been disappointed by them.
Behemoth of a sub. Good God. 🤯
Gene if you had to pick between the svs pb 16 ultra an the monoprice Dual 15'" with one would you choose?
6:50 Yup, my cellphone speakers survived that 😁. That must have sounded (felt) nice at those low frequencies.
Great videos and coverage!
Thx.
That test at the end! LOL
Gene how about a video setting up the mini dsp for dummies
I second that
I cannot find the wattage of the 460T towers *anywhere*. Do you happen to know it?
Monoprice kicking competition.
wow! My sc2000 loved that little demo
Do you know if the processor is going to support IMAX Enhanced?
This sub looks like it will destroy the PB-16 ultra...
What are your thoughts?
Why are they not selling this in the uk
Wow that sub is a monster imagine having two of those cabinets as multi !
thats required private house
The reason I ask is that I have two svs pb 16 ultras an I was thinking of adding another one to my theater but they are going up on there price this month an I also was looking at the Dual psa 18" wanting something that Diggs a little deeper so I was thinking of selling the svs an getting something in about the same price range the could be considered an upgrade
Awesome video...I wish monoprice will produce 12 inch version of that dual subwoofer
They sound pretty damn good through my headphones! Rattled my brain.
Using a rooted galaxy note 4 with viper4arise fx (one of the best sound mods) sound mod and Dolby atmos
It was a fun experience it's a bit big what the price point is amazing and for free delivery. Is awesome but I think the size is just too much large size too big to fit in the space but it is awesome thank you Merry Christmas and have a wonderful happy New Year 2020 audioholics,
Did you ever follow-up with a review of the 460/465T's? I'm shopping around for the $2k tower shootout again and I'm not seeing an updated 2020 version with these in the mix.
My Samsung Galaxy S8 easily reproduced the sound of the dual 15"'s. The bass impact was absolutely tremendous, unlike any other sub I've heard over my phones integrated 3/16" speaker.
I have a supercube trinity and reference and ive been thinking about upgrading and this is on the list.
About time someone is coming close to my Subs design....
Dual-Opposed 18" LMS Drivers, 4000w Pro Amps to each driver X 3 for my huge room.
Lookin Good....
You should do more of those bass tests... I liked it..
Wow Gene, that’s the first time I did not hear you refer to the atmos enabled speakers as “bouncy house” speakers but instead, “up firing drivers.😂😂😂
Damn I'm slipping ;)
Ironic Yamaha and Elac right behind you together considering that's what I have in my room. Yamaha Aventage 880 and Elac UB5. :)
When are you going to review the towers?
Aw I'd love to see / hear a SVS vs Monoprice comparison video
Can't compare the PB16 to the M-215 beast!!
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He'll be doing that soon.
I want a PSA S7201 Review/comparison to a dual setup. I'm toying with getting the S7201 for a 3 Sub system, perhaps with dual PB-4000's in the front. Unless I build my diy custom Sub with the TC Sounds LMS5400 Titanium QVC 18 Driver, 4000wRMS Plate Amp, and the Cabinet that I had PWK Designs (Hexibase) design for me.
@@Len_M. have the S7201 in my living room. It replaced a PB-13 ultra, which now resides out in my garage. Here are my thoughts.
First thing I noticed was SQ, the S7201 hits so damn clean I've never heard anything like it. I was honestly a bit worried about a sealed sub not hitting as hard. Well, if that's true then the 4 subs and 4000 watts make up for a lack of port boost and cut out all of the phase issues. I used to think that stuff was hooey, I've ran ported subs for years in home and in cars, sounded great to me. The PB13 now sounded like a fartbox.
First thing I did with the Ultra in the garage was plugged the ports for the first time ever and tried to enjoy it. It sounded better with the ports plugged for sure, but was nowhere near what the S7201 could do. Obviously. So I ordered a PSA S3010 B-stock (light scratches) to couple with the Ultra out in the garage.
All things considered on paper they should be roughly equal. The S7201 is in the corner of my living room, and in my open-floor plan ranch style home, it has to energize the whole house. It does this like nothing else I've experienced in my life. My floor moves up and down, my eyeballs vibrate. No bass is ever missed, skipped or compressed.
Out in my single car garage, these 2 subs don't even come close. On paper they really should, roughly 2700 watts of power and 43 inches of cone area in a much smaller space vs 4000 watts and 72 inches in a much larger one. Like I said, absolutely no comparison. S7201 all day long. I don't think you'll need to worry about the PB-4000's up front, but if you did I'd honestly just get a second S7201. I can't imagine what a pair of those would do.
i see no youtube reviews of the Monolith THX-460T toweres anywhere.
Gene, what's the name of the movie you guys used to demo the massive dual 15's?
bass is incredible.
Thanks for the video!
Soooooooooo would you have to still run dual subs or would that suffice as a "dual subs?"
No it is still a single sub albeit a very high output one.
@@Audioholics Ok that's what I thought. Thank you sir!
the ATI amps are no joke, Crestron has the same amp and its very nice.
Gene I'm thinking of getting the Monoprice THX 365iw in-wall speakers. I've searched everywhere and I cant find a single review.. Please any Information would be greatly appreciated.
Gene, THANK YOU for doing what you do. How do I find info about a tech type show in Florida? Thanks in advance.
Thats pretty awesome! I love thx products and I might check out those speakers at some point. Great price on a good set of thx speakers!!!!
Haha so happy you gave them what they asked for on the listening test! Maybe they'll final get that whatever you're hearing will not translate onto different speakers lol
I'd rather get 2 of their single 15's for less money and better room coverage. Still looks killer though 👍
Agreed
Two of their single 15"s would actually cost a bit more, but it would make for a better response in-room, of course, so it's worth the extra cost.
I want two of those dual 15 subs
Won't get as low though... bout to buy one of these, lol. In my case, I can only have one and I want endgame... don't care that its taller.
That sub is massive!
look at these
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Gene's new workout plan: delivering that sub
I didn´t have my headphones plugged in and just ran it trough the speakers on my macbook. And there was nothing. It just cancelled out everything up until Godzilla screams. It must have been awesome live!
Who is asking for listening demos and why? That said, love how he trolled it. Legend.
our audience often asks for listening demos of the products we have under review. Some are belligerent telling us to be quite so they can hear the speakers we have under test. LOL
LOL. These were already showcased at CES2019 back in January! Or you didn’t go?
LOL not the towers. Or the new dual 15" sub. LOL LOL.
I don't use no stinkin' Logitech speakers. I have a Yamaha Soundbar and it sounded simply wonderful!
Can you lay that sub on its side? If so I might be able to make it work. Otherwise there is no freaking way my wife allows that thing in the theater
Laying the sub on its side won't affect the performance. Of course, if it's a hard floor, place something soft under the sub so neither it or the floor gets scuffed or scratched.
every one has a 16 channel processors now. so in an year or two i might be able to get one.
Thanks
looks good
Where's the THX Certification on the electronics? The lack thereof diminishes the value of the loudspeakers if purchased as a complete Monoprice system.
Don’t do any listening test don’t listen to the dummies who want to hear that, i love how dumb people are how far you hear what i speaker sounds like thru other speakers lol
I love the Channel keep the videos coming best TH-cam channel by far 🙌🙌🙌
listening tests are just for fun.
Yea it blows my mind that people want this and other channels do it.
Couldn’t even hear it on my phone. Put earbuds in could hear it but could tell I’m definitely missing out lol
I'll take 2 of those subs!!
it was Very deep i like it
Wow 260lbs?! I drove today 3.5H to pickup a (Anthem P5) 130lbs 5ch amplifier and I never had so much pain the ass to transport that from the guy's basement to my car then to my condo 24 stairs higher x_x No way I would even attempt lifting anything heavier! It was already just 10lbs less than my own body lol.
Hmm, seems very expensive for a processor. I unboxed today my brand new (Anthem AVM60) and it was 3000$CAD so roughly half the Monoprice :o I doubt that many people do use 16 chanels at home.
The sub test was just so funny haha, of course it was trash through my phone.
Ha! I heard nothing on my MacBook Pro when he held the mic to the subs. After I plugged in a Dragonfly Red DAC and KZ-ZS10 Pro in ear monitors I got some cranium rumble. :-)
Damn I need that sub...X2
But.. the video is inadequate to show the products clearly
It's a CEDIA show not a review. You're welcome to find this info somewhere else,.....oh yea nobody else covered it.
Hi Gen.I am still don't understand why would you need an amplfifier wouldnt be enough just with a 16CH AV Processor
Why would he refuse to test it?? Just bc it’s heavy?
Yes, not easy slugging a 250lbs box into an open field for testing.
Audioholics that’s too bad! I’d be happy to help if he was in the Houston area. Just for the chance to hear this monster! And read the review.
I got the mono 12” right after your review on the series. Now I’m itching for more bass! Maybe this is the end game
@@texasbuzzard4970 add a 2nd identical sub, more better bass ;)
tbh I'm a little disappointed that the towers have such small woofers.
I think 4 6.5" woofers working from 80 Hz on up is fine. They are meant to be used with a sub. I did a quick sim with a few assumptions, RS180 from Dayton and 114db came up.
2500 not bad really.
Oh man!!! it made my Edifier speakers rumble and crack.:-)
same, have the 2730. the door was rattling a bit :D
What the heck, we are not going to get a review from Audioholics? BS. Gene, you make that guy review the sub.
LOL ok I may have to flex some muscle or get Hugo to ;)
I will review it if you are willing to carry the 250+ lbs sub up and down a staircase twice, load it in my car twice, and 200ft out in the middle of a testing field and back. Deal?
@@jameslarson2277 You must have friends who can help. Trust me, If I lived close to you, I'll be there with a hand truck and gloves ready to work.
I'll review it & keep it for you Gene ;)
Well I just saw the tv vibrate while watching on my cell phone.
Everything got silent including my thoughts.
The sub test made my iPad speakers pop lmao 😂
Supre👌
I have two 15'5 in a ported box that will give this a run for the money or destroy it for 1/5th the money.But for the people that can't build there own stuff its a option i guess....
500 bucks huh... I think you're full of crap.
@@dickfantastic7908 Why is that? It is easy.
@@jondoe6618 I went to your channel and checked out what you have or seem to be using. You're one of those guys that sees how many subs they can run off of a cheap amp and thinks 50% distortion is "low bass".
Really though, you spent more than $500 bucks. While you might be using an amp from 2010 and a decent one at that, it cost something in the first place. Around $500 new. Your subs had to cost something even if they are inexpensive ones. Then you have the necessary materials cost to build a box. And the all-important time factor. I don't know about you, but I get paid to work. I may enjoy building things, but it's still work, and the older I get I realize a lot of that stuff is just a waste of my time. You may think your time is free, but mine isn't. So I'll give you a pass on that one because maybe your time is not valuable.
So, my fuzzy math without all of the factors being known is adding up to way more than a 1/5th of the cost, even if your time is free. Hence, you are talking out of your ass. Even if your sub did sound as good or better, you spent more than you said.
I am really excited about that 16 channel processor. Datasat cinema processors are by far the best processors in the history of digital cinema. Gene would you happen to know what DACs are implemented in this unit ??
I just heard the "listening demo" through my IPad. An utterly useless experience on my one .0025in speakers.
On another note that's a fantastic price for a beast of a subwoofer. I think that would destroy the foundation of your house though. And the neighbors' foundations nearby.
PSA Audio has dual sub weighs 198 and cost less than monoprice sub.
Subs nice but keep going and get a JTR sub .
nah jl gotham is supreme!!
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Edit out the plosives.
258 pounds. $2500 shipped. @_@ bleh! I don't need it. My Klipsch RP280f already have too much bass for my room.
lol
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Monoprice has ripped off other companies/engineer designs in the past without credit. Companies that do this should not be given off lightly and should be acknowledged as such.
Who did they rip off? They license tech from companies like ATI, DATASAT, Clarity Audio, etc.
Gene, they copied Energy speakers in the beginning and got sued. They made some design changes to get out of it. That updated 5.1 system is still available on their site.
@@Audioholics www.cnet.com/news/monoprice-a-tech-consumers-best-friend-or-a-copycat/
@@Audioholics www.cnet.com/news/are-the-energy-take-classic-and-monoprice-9774-the-same/
Monoprice doesn't really design anything. They buy OEM and ODM goods and have them rebranded with Monoprice logos. In the case of the Energy knock-offs, what is clearly happening is Monoprice bought identical units from the same factory that Energy got their products from. That is not a reverse engineered product, that is from the same production lines. The problem is that the manufacturer was willing to sell the same product to other companies and that Monoprice was willing to bring to market designs that Energy held patents to. I am sure Monoprice would not have brought that product to market if they know that it could possibly infringe on design patents from other companies. My guess is Monoprice assumed that the OEM held the patents since it was willing to sell that same exact product rebranded for other companies.
Monoprice mostly just buys premade items from foreign manufacturing or contracts design and manufacturing work from outfits like Claridy or ATI. They are not in the business of deliberately making knock-offs. If you want to ding a popular audio company for ripping off other design work, the worst-case offender has to be Behringer, although they seemed to be just using original design work in recent history. However, years ago, they ripped off al the engineering that they could.