(Objection.lol) The great Iron Man 3 debate
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 มี.ค. 2021
- A slightly heated discussion I had with some friends of mine on discord about Marvel.
I'm Phoenix btw and I stand by what I said.
#AceAttorney #Meme #Objection #PhoenixWright #Marvel #MCU #Ironman - เกม
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I got really heated during this video and started screaming all of Edgeworth and Von Karma's points before they said them lol
Surprised no one has noticed this comment yet
Hey it's you
Not surprised you commenting that (coughs in “evil John walker” **even tho he wasn’t)
hahaha mee too
Iron Man 3 is definitely one of the weaker MCU ones but it's also not bad. TDW is much more insufferable. And yeah that was me during the video
"Tbf that's true"
*chugs more coffee than the mug can hold*
"But fuck you it's still good"
*casually drinks 817 fucking gallons of coffee in 2 seconds and doesn't die somehow*
@@ianorr1388 LMAOOO
@@kokushinsei now give me reddit gold please
@@ezekielisrael6374 you odn't get it
@@ianorr1388 well it was a bad joke
Godot is that one friend in the friend group who doesn't talk in a debate, but chimes in every once in awhile for a sick joke, burn, points out or gets their opinion across before going silent again
Cool, also ignore the "omg copied comment its the end of the worst" commemts
@@EndosArtBox "omg copied comment it's the end of the worst"
@@Red_was_The_Imposter NOOOO YOU CANT JUST SAY THAT!11!!!1!!!11!!!1
@@EndosArtBox k
Yeah, he’s the guy that will interrupt the argument and present a new topic for debate (usually involving the same topic that was being argued earlier) and then just watch.
I love that Godot’s only purpose is to laugh at everyone
I enjoyed watching this debate in this kind of format lmao
Don't care about the debat
Just seeing ace attorney characters debat like this make laugh
This is the best way to watch a debate in my opinion
But captain marvel is the worst marvel movie by far.
@@huntergg5057 lol trying to get into a video
Same here lol
Why do i find myself always agreeing with edgworth in these debates
i agreed with phoenix this time around
same
@@tonyal8839 you aren't a clown, you're the entire circus
@@tonyal8839 your not the circus, your the entire comedy industry
That is because Edgeworth is best Attorney
10:39 HOLY SHIT THE LEGENDARY LINE
memes for the meme lords
So this is where it's from. After all these years.
@@connorgolsong290 *cough its been a meme for like 3 years and this vid released in 2021 *cough and it is a slightly altered version of the original quote *cough
@@connorgolsong290 The actual quote is from Ace Attorney 2, when they had an actual clown give testimony
@@z-wire2609 OBJECTION! That's not true, Edgeworth isnt even in that case, he only has a small cameo at the prologue of the case, talking to Gumshoe on the phone, and only comes back in the next case
"The action is below average"
*"You're below average"*
“...by the next film he’s iron man again!” Utterly pointless”
*”You’re utterly pointless”*
“... Also the design for iron patriot is dumb as f.”
*”You’re dumb as f.”*
Gottem
“Also the design for iron patriot is dumb as fuck”
“𝗬𝗼𝘂’𝗿𝗲 𝗱𝘂𝗺𝗯 𝗮𝘀 𝗳𝘂𝗰𝗸”
Absolute gold
"Why is it bad?"
"Ok so first off it's boring as hell-"
*"THAT IS NOT AN ARGUMENT"*
ಠ_ಠ
saying something is boring is the same as saying it's bad there's nothing to argue therefor it's not an argument other than "No it isn't."
"Why is it bad?"
"Because it's bad"
That's it. That's all saying "it's boring" amounts to.
For me it is a totally feasible and congruent argument, I do not see flaws in its logic.
@@elconflictivo7099 except you actually have to provide parts that are boring. It’s not the most action packed marvel movie, but boring it is not.
Circular reasoning
Godot is that friend that when two other friends argue, he lands a sick joke and everyone can't help but laugh.
LOL TRUE
I find it funny how every time he makes a semi decent point they reply with something along the lines of "Wel ur stinky"
MCU stans gonna be like
@@tantris2876 stans get offended easily lmao, most of them don't even read comics
@@AL-wn9xw wasn’t his arc reactor slowly killing him in Iron Man 2 though? It kinda did serve no purpose to the wider MCU otherwise, but I thought it was ok by itself when with the other Iron Man movies. No Mandarin was a disappointment though
I overuse ‘though’ …
What decent point? Almost everything he says is just "I didn't like it" or basically admitting he didn't pay attention to the movie in the first place.
Typical Twitter user
Before this I didn’t even knew The Incredible Hulk was part of the MCU
Me too 😂
Because it isn‘t really
@@ButterflyEnte it technically is, but a lot of people don’t consider it because the actor was different playing hulk lol
@@livispuzzled you are right. Thought that marvel dont want it to be part of the MCU but yeah looked it up... Sometimes your brain just tricks you
@@ButterflyEnte haha yeah, i didn’t realize it was until last year
tony also retired at the end of im3 bc rdj’s original contract had expired, and they didn’t know if he was gonna re-sign
There was also a whole debacle about some of the Avengers actors (I don’t remember who exactly) getting their pay cut for AoU and IIRC RDJ protested this, since his pay was not going to be cut, and threatened Marvel that if their pay was cut that he wouldn’t come back as Iron Man.
@@LeaderPenguin good on him!
We’ll that explains a large part of this debate
That's why he goes from destroying his Iron Man suits in 3 to having built new ones in Age of Ultron.
That's not in-universe explanation.
“The Mandarin is supposed to be like that, it’s called a twist!”
I could shit my pants and say I meant to do that, and you didn’t expect it, but I still shit my pants.
You can't call him a shit villain if he was never the villain in the first place. That's the point.
He's literally just comic relief.
And the argument that it "ruins the comic book character" is nullified entirely by the fact the MCU has already confirmed there is a REAL Mandarin.
@@GermanKinsmen yeah but now Tony’s dead. That’s like serving a fine steak and then only giving someone the gravy after they’ve eaten it.
I am laughing way too hard at your comment but it rings true.
@@BrickBreakerXX theirs also the fact that just because its "the point" doesn't mean it's good.
That defense is just as good as saying "it's a twist"
Also fake fake mandarin is still a villain, maybe hes not the main one, that obviously goes to fake mandarin, but he still is one due to participating in fake mandarins plans.
And if the argument is "he's suppose to be the comic relief of the movie" or "he's the comic relief character of the movie".
To that I say, yeah, for 1 part of the entire movie, in the beginning of the movie he sure as heck wasn't either of those things, and after this one part, hes basically forgotten about enterily. Also I personally wouldn't exactly call the situation going on with him humeris, more like awkward/pathetic. Seriously Tony sarcastically saying "were connected" to that one kid felt funnier than any of this guys scenes.
Also their is a difference, between relieving the tension and killing it entirely, which is exactly what the scene with fake fake mandarin does.
Twist villains suck
Arguments that Edgeworth is missing:
•Tony does geniunely value Pepper over the suits, Age of Ultron is Tony’s relapse. He’s compelled to make Ultron by the scepter and then compelled to put the suit back on by his guilt. The next time you see Tony, his relationship with pepper is strained because of it (civil war). Every time Tony puts the suit on again it’s out of fear or guilt until IW, when Tony and pepper have worked it out.
•the value of the Mark 42 is that he can summon it with his mind. He can’t do that with any of the others, JARVIS controls them. Also, yeah, prototype. He uses the tech in his Age of Ultron suit, which is waaay stronger.
•Tony’s security sucks because his head of security, Happy, is in the hospital. Also, he’s Tony Stark. Everyone knows where he lives. He just has multiple homes. He still owns Stark Tower.
•Not like the comics =\= bad.
•the action is good. the collapsing mansion, the scrap fight with the Christmas ornaments, the Barrel of monkeys and the One Arm One Leg scenes are all good.
And the small town destruction fight!
still its dumb that tony was supposed to "learn not to be arrogant" and then iron man 3 becomes obselete after the next movie
@@gothkurata yes, the ending was absolute turdwater, but a bad ending does not a bad movie make... Just look at the Matrix trilogy!
@@gothkurata also the next movie was age of Ultron... the iron legion becomes Ultron's army, Stark is building an AI to do his job for him, pepper has...
...
wait why did Killian kidnap the president?
One of the downsides of this film is that were designed 35 more armors, some really cool like Starboost, Igor, Sneaky, Shades and Bones but most of them barely have half a minute of screen time.
At least Silver Centurion had a good sequence and Shotgun and Heartbreaker appeared a bit more.
1:50 I love how he just drinks the entire Indian Ocean during a court sesssion
"Okay, mannequin man."
Dead.
"lol"
-phoenix Wright
“LOL”
-Godot
I love the line “name the elf man” so much
Phoenix: I'm going to slap you
Edgeworth: Do it then, bitch!
Me: *Imagines Phoenix and Edgewoth getting in a slap fight in a court room* LMAOOOOO
Actually, neither Killian nor Trevor Slattery (the fake Mandarin) were the real Mandarin in IM3. The Mandarin is real in the MCU, he actually exists, and he was first alluded to when an agent of his posed as an interviewer to talk to Slattery in prison, only to reveal himself and that the Mandarin was pissed over Slattery cramping his style, kidnapping him in a prison escape, probably to be punished. The real Mandarin will make an appearance in Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings, coming out this year, played by Tony Leung.
Is the legend of the 10 rings comeing to disny plus
@@Bamburfix Probably?
Oh yeah, yet another reason the mandarin and killian suck ass! Seriously, I may love this movie, but it's got serious issues. TONY STARK, THE MAN WHO BUILT THE ARC REACTOR IN A CAVE CAN'T EVEN FIGHT THE MAIN VILLAINS WITHOUT A KID TELLING HIM ABOUT HOW HE CAN BUILD THINGS! WHY, WHAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THIS? OH, HE'S HAVING AN ANXIETY ATTACK, BUT HE GETS OVER IT SO QUICKLY I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT MATTERED! AND THE MAIN VILLAINS BACKGROUND IS BARELY TOUCHED UPON, AND WHEN IT IS, IT'S DONE SO HALF HAZARDLY, LIKE OKAY, HE DIDN'T GET WHAT HE WANTED, THAT'S HOW SHIT GOES WHEN JOB HUNTING, HE'S LITERALLY BITCHING ABOUT NOT GETTING A JOB! THAT'S HIS ENTIRE MOTIVATION, THAT'S IT, HE'S A FUCKING CHILD NOT GETTING TO WORK AS HE WANTS TO, HELL MY DAD COULD REPLACE HIM AND IT'D BE BETTER ACTUALLY AS HE AT LEAST DOESN'T HAVE ACTUAL INTELLIGENCE! I may love the armor and the creative tatics enough to ignore most of this, hell, I'm okay with the villain being a cardboard cut out, it happens, but what changes about iron man? Genuinely, what changes about him? He doesn't loose his arrogance, so that whole him learning to be more opens a lie, and it's not like he quits either, so that's also out. He doesn't learn his actions can have unforeseen consequences and creates Ultron, his relationship with pepper dies like 2 more times afterwards, and he even becomes the reason for the superhero registration act has any ground to stand on if any. And about the suits, what about their design tells you what they do? Almost half of them don't seem to be different because they have anything to show what they do, hell, the toys explained them better, and that's not how stories should work. And don't get me started on how Tony didn't think about how Jarvis might target pepper if she does become infected, he deserved to have her die after that. This movie can literally disappear and besides people who enjoy it, nothing would notice, so what was the point? That is literally the biggest sin you can make when you're making a multi film story, but we're giving it a free pass here because why? What exactly does this biased person like about it? The fact that wasn't brought up is a shame. I love it's tatics and armor, as I've said, and the action, when it's happening, is fun, but what do they like about it?
@@shadowsnake5133 the bad story telling really damaged it. It's merely a vague connector for certain things, like armor, tactics, and Tony with Shield.
What's the point Robbie Downey Jr won't return to mcu plus Tony stark is dead in Endgame
OBJECTION!
To further back up Hazz’s argument, after Tony challenges the ‘Mandarin’ why exactly does he put on the prototype suit out of all the suits he has available to him? Wouldn’t it be smarter of him to put on an armor that he knew could withstand a lot of damage, like the one that he used to go up against Thor, the literal GOD OF THUNDER?
No because he didn’t have time
@@robertwyatt3912 TAKE THAT
yes exactly iron man is one of the best mcu moves becuz it’s emotional and has a good plot nothing that anyone says can make me doubt that
He was trying to be a snorky a** he was literally trying to say physically doing that you're not worth my time using my best stuff I you're only worth testing my prototypes.
He tries to use multiple different suits, they just kept getting destroyed before he could
The Thor armor wasn't on the MCU but if u talking about mark 7 it got destroyed
"One might say he's the Invincible Iron Man"
No Title Card? Wait a minute.. HE DIDN'T INSERT A TITLE CARD HE MUST BE A VILTRUMITE!
I see you are also a man of culture
every single of these feels like a 3 am discord debate and i love them
Tbh iron man 3 was pretty pointless, it felt like the end of Tony's arc, but he just goes back to being a paranoid self absorbed asshole who makes suits in the next film. Like nothing substantial is carried over, he may as well have done nothing in between avengers and ultron. He has the surgery but it only barely changes his character cosmetically. Iron man 3 feels like an AU endgame for his character where he doesn't die and moves passed being iron man in the obsession sense.
The movie was basically Tony struggling with PTSD and identity crisis of being Iron Man and Tony Stark, looking at it that way it’s pretty good ngl
Iron man 3 works petty well on its own, it's emotional, has actual charecter progression within it, the actions are quite good, its one of my favourite MCU movie.
However, phoenix and OP here does have a point. While it is a good movie on its own, it serves exactly zero purpose in MCU. The writers tried to make a good plot, and forgot its implication in the MCU.
I always thought of Iron Man 3 as an AU film, where after this film he genuinely stops being Iron Man and the next movies aren't part of the same timeline
Objection! That's not the problem of iron man 3, but a problem of the next movie in the franchise. If the next movie doesn't continue the character arc of one movie, does that make the first one pointless?
It honestly felt... bland in my opinion. The movie wasn't really bad with it's sky fall scene and pier battle scene. But all in all, it just felt kinda bland.
Like, they never mentioned what happened in Ironman 3 in the rest of MCU. (I could be wrong, but I've watched the movies again to check and still haven't heard of a mention of it yet.) Tony doesn't talk about it with Cap or anyone else, well besides Bruce but his character was just more bland, and they never explained or showed how Pepper was suddenly back to normal. And worst part about it.
They made the Mandarin a joke. A complete, and utter, Joke. The dude from the comics who was one of Tony's most dangerous enemies and being the temporary staple for Ironman's poster villain, is an actor. I was really disappointed by the decision and wanted to know what kind of smoke or food they were eating.
Overall, the movie was somewhat or almost completely forgettable. But at least it set the foundations for future Ironman suits like the Mark 42.
But those are just my thoughts. The movie wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. Still, I did enjoy it.
Also, we might get the real Mandarin in the Shang-Chi movie. If they hadn't changed much like what they did right now for the politics and shin digs.
"Gottem"
- Godot
Fuck!n got him again
-Godot
i am groot,have this tree sapling and wish you an good day.
NGL, I forgot there was a iron man 3.
I hate when someone in an argument and after serious and legit answer of their question they just say "Well that's dumb". Dude you just got owned by a legit answer.
It's funny, this film introduces the child who by now is a teen and will probably have a large part in the next phase of marvel movies if they go for a young avengers plot
He went to his funeral so i'm hoping he will be a character from now on
He’ll likely become iron lad
they're probably going for the Iron Man 2020 with him but since the pandemic happened so...yikes
HOLD IT! Since Morgan exist it seems she will be the next iron man/woman, she may even make a more advanced rescue armor or something
@@azekia I knew I wasn't the only one who saw him there!
Why does von karma looks so cute like honestly when she goes like nononono and shakes her finger
12:55
@@shatterednova_ true
Simp?
@@blankhead5544 nah, she’s not real, and even if she’s real she wouldn’t be like that, I’m just saying...
@@mwashere1 uh huh...
Why do I picture them as high schoolers sitting at a lunchroom table?
Because instead of having a civil discussion where each side makes points and counterpoints, each side resorts to petty insults when an argument that they can’t counter is brought up. Godot making jokes the whole time also helps
Why did nobody bring up the evil wizard from doctor strange? He looks like he belongs in an elder scrolls questline
nice
Your claim that Thor 2 was "essential" to the mcu is simply not correct, I watched every movie except for that one and everything still made sense.
Maybe but it is kind of important because the reality stone is introduced in Thor 2
@@user-kf8fd7se5l Maybe it's just cuz im a nerd and already knew about the infinity stones
Meanwhile there's me who did watch Thor 2, and I guess I was so checked out that I completely missed the fact that the red stuff in that movie was actually the reality stone. Had to have it explained to me later, lol
Thor 2 was still good
@@tantris2876 heretic
Iron Man 3 was one of my favorites
I forgot it existed
@@hollowtrappedinaelevator320 kinda sus 😳😳😳
@@vladimirtheordacatondrugs3945
Your kinda sus
@@vladimirtheordacatondrugs3945 O P I N I O N S
no but good for you
In all fairness, the reason IM3 is so "Forgettable" but still important is because it finalizes Tony's arc and it justifies why he doesn't have a million armors in Endgame or Infinity War.
You don't need a million suits when the Bleeding Edge armor is constantly a part of him, deploys in seconds, is the most durable model aside from Veronica, has a self repair system and has the most powerful, advanced and versatile weapons platform also aside from Veronica.
Except he does have Legion in Age of Ultron... and drones in Far From Home..m
I can literally watch any boring topic with this format and I will still be entertained
Flat out the reason I consider iron man 3 the worst is because of the twist. It's like taking the joker and saying "yea he's just a stuntman" the mandarin is such a good villian and to have him just be an actor was a slap to the face. Then Killian goes and says "I am the mandarin" like that isn't another slap.
Well said my friend. Glad you agree
Watch yo mouth
@@youngsebman I'll say it again. Worst MCU villian for the lie he is.
@@youngsebman lol dont deny the truth
Hear, hear. I haven’t read a single Iron Man comic and even I know that they did the Mandarin dirty.
why would you say something so controversial and yet so brave?
3:45 is basically a entire explanation but in 4 seconds.
I'm actually GLAD the writers scrapped the "good Tony" development made on IM3 and he became the narcissistic genius back on Age of Ultron. I enjoy him being a controversial asset on the Avengers team.
The third movie completely failed in giving Tony's character more depth, to the point they got it right on Spider-Man Homecoming with him being a tutor and quasi father figure to Peter. Damn, even that scene in IM2 where he re-discovers Vibranium and see that recording from his father ended up being more emotional than the whole "I love Pepper and will destroy all my work to live in peace with her" plot, especially after he finally re-encounters with Howard on Endgame's alternate timeline.
Also imagine designing a ton of cool suits and not giving them a bit of screen time to at least see their design characteristics. Even IM2 got it right by showing every model of Hammer's drones, and the whole fight sequence against them and Whiplash's armor. It's still a shame that Mark XXXIX Starboost, that has heat dissipating materials for atmospheric re-entry was not used effectively against A.I.M. Extremis grunts and Killian himself.
In my opinion, the Iron Man trilogy suffers from the same problem seen on Matrix. The first one is the best plot wise, the second is the best action oriented and the "turd" one tries to be deep and falls flat.
While Thor 2 is the most forgettable movie, in my opinion Iron Man 3 was the most disappointing. The best ones are The Winter Soldier and the first Guardians of the Galaxy.
The purpose of Iron Man 3 was literally a character development for one film then go back to the arrogant millionaire. He literally doesn't change at all until Infinity War
Also, Guardians of the Galaxy, best MCU movie ngl
I wouldn't say he goes completely back. This film is one of the things that makes him want to make Ultron. But, even saying that, as I just said it it is one of, it's not even that important for that reason
Yeah, but that’s not Iron Man 3’s fault, that’s the fault of the other movies for not keeping his character changes, ya know?
To be fair that's kinda the other films problem not im3
A common thread among solo MCU films that aren’t origin films are that they feel very detached from the rest of the MCU. For example, in Winter Soldier, the only real important revelation is Bucky. Everything else is sort of cast aside. Like shield being collapsed. That doesn’t really have an impact on any other movie.
I think Infinity War is the best MCU movie.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about guardians being the best MCU movie
Its funny as hell. My favorite though is thor ragnorock. Guardians i can't remember well but thor just stands out. Guardians 2 is also great.
@@flapjack7301 And this is why GotGV2 is bad: th-cam.com/video/K59-iTpAfQ0/w-d-xo.html
@@tantris2876 eh, i just think thor is really funny in thor ragnorock. Hella is bull shit, but other than that good movie!
Oh yeah and with gotg2, i haven't seen it in forever, but i remember the ending making me tear up and i enjoyed it. If i find a place to watch it again, ill see how bad jt is.
@@tantris2876 ok gotg2 has lots of stupid things, and im starting to agree but thor ragnorock is gold
Iron Man 3 was the film that woke me up to the fact that subverting my expectations doesn't make something clever.
I love debates like this in Objection.lol form.
"Got him coach" is entering my lexicon as we speak hell yeah
Holy crap I always forget about iron man 3 existing and then immediately forget about it after. It does not stick ever.
Its like the first 2 Thor Movies, The Captain america films outside of Civil War. Iron Man 2, and the entirety of Iron Man 1 after Tony makes it back to america. And a few more films.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047Science needs to find a name for this phenomenon.
@@retrogamer7965 Its called MCU has no interesting villains and the heroes are nigh-impossible to relate to or get emotionally invested in. Nothing to get attached to = nothing to remember.
I guess Infinity War and Endgame had a bunch of over the top melodrama to laugh at.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Hmm, that almost works as a scientific term. Throw in a couple Latin words and you've got a deal.
@@stefanm.734 My favourite made-up pseudo Latin medical term would be "Endo-bleff-oroscopy." Which my Dad (a Masters Nurse) told me means "Researching the inside of the eyelids" when he was caught sleeping in class.
5:05 the summoning thing is only after he added trackers into his body
I love how von karma just brings a whip to every court case and goes ham with it!
He's got a point. GotG is the best
I personally thought Captain America Winter Soldier was the best
Funny enough, when me and my mom saw Iron Man 3 in theaters when I was little, we literally had to walk out of the theater because I was so scared of what was happening in it, let’s just say that was one of my more embarrassing moments.
Lol, what a weeny. That must mean that horror movies would make you poop your pants in pure fear.
@@Puggy42069 I WAS VERY YOUNG OK I WAS NOT READY
@@Shi.f.t I know. I’m just joking around a bit. It’s just hilarious to me. I get it. I can’t stand the walking dead, even as an adult, cause it’s too spooky.
Which part made you scared? The fire breathing villain guy?
@@Puggy42069 well, I don’t quite remember, it’s been a long time since I last watched that movie.
@@AL-wn9xw those are secrets I will not reveal
It's the first time in a while i haven't speed up the video. I saw every minute of it.
Subscribed
Godot is just adding fuel to the fire when Wright gets roasted
I'm with Phoenix on the GotG bit
Same here
"Your not a clown, your the entire fucking circus"
That one got me
It’s canon, too.
@@zafool4997 wdym canon?
Your not a circus you are entire clown career
@@tantris2876 do you not know the word canon?
@@fybthe1987 I don’t understand how it’s canon
I love how Godot is just in the background chiming in every so often.
"You fucking simp"
That nearly killed me lol
I can barely remember iron man 3 but, I kid you not I can't even remember if I watched Thor 2 at all.
Funny thing is I remember Thor 2, but I completely mixed up Iron Man 3 with Iron Man 2. Not that I forgot Iron Man 2, I just completely forgot the plot of Iron Man 3 until they mentioned the “fire men”. I thought they were talking about the plot of Iron Man 2 until that point.
At first point Iron Man 3 does something that not much hero movies can’t do:The Mandarin,doesn’t have any super powers,he doesn’t have like an arsenal of armor like Iron Man,he’s just a plain old terrorist that struck fear to the whole world.That was actually impressive character writing ...Untilllll we learned that he’s a paid actor
i accidentally clicked on this video and now its a favorite of mine thank you
Godot has to be the most relatable he doesn’t really talk unless he’s commenting on something that was already said or laughing at an insult
I love how godot is just there
I like how edgeworth told April to stfu
He may have had a leg to stand on if he had said it's "An Iron Man that doesn't have Iron Man". Maybe. Or brought up that kid that was his sidekick or elf or something. And in terms of the Mandarin twist, in terms of accuracy, let's just say Mandarin was a...problematic character. To the point of making him an actor seems less...offensive...
i don’t know any ace attorney lore but godot seems like the type to say “got em coach”
At least we'll be getting the REAL Mandarin soon.
Is a new film coming? Or is it a joke?
@@alxSAJ Not a new Iron Man film. I'm talking about Shang Chi.
Guardians is my favorite Marvel movie 🤝
Wow this had my eyes glued to my screen the whole time...
“I’m Phoenix btw and I stand by what I said.”
You bring me immense amounts of pain.
The mandarin is an actor and that makes sense in the trilogy of iron man. The orignial mandarin wasn't made for that.
I actually liked the actor twist, especially because I was so familiar with the mandarin as a character.
Many of the points adressed in this debate argue that the films that came out after this one make IM3 a bad film. I don't think you should look at the entire slew of films that came after it, and just look at the films in the franchise that came before it to determine whether the plot makes sense as the director of one film doesn't control the rest of the franchise.
The majority of the points adressed in the debate regard plotholes, but specifically plotholes that shouldn't bother someone watching something for the first time as they are the sort of plotholes that you would have to analyse the film for.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the person who did phoenix made a few good points, but doesn't give the impression that he stands behind them. Phoenix gives the idea that he states facts to win a debate, rather than to convince the audience of his opinion
To be honest it just sounds to me like Hazz’s ability to enjoy the rest of the movie was ruined by the Mandarin reveal, which is fair but still doesn’t make it bad as a film imo
Seriously I get being dissapointed but it's kinda dumb to just say the whole things fucked cuz of that reveal
I mean, The Mandarin isn’t even Killian, it’s the dude in Shang Chi
"It is the most forgettable film in the MCU."
I've watched all 3 Iron Men and at least a good amount of MCU films although I still remember IM3 like the back of my hand despite me being at least 7 years old when I watched it (the only thing I don't remember is when iron man 3 came out)
If you told me this was some Phoenix Wright RP, I would've believed you.
This plays out like a discord group chat
It is lol
That's just what I was thinking. Was wondering how one would go about writing this when I remembered there could be more than one person writing here. A Discord group chat fits perfectly
@@newgate-zerohour true
@@Vulppix I guess
The description confirms that this is from a Discord argument. Most videos using the name Objection.lol are supposed to be arguments from a Discord being put into the Phoenix Wright format.
I remember almost everything about all the iron man films
I barely remember they exist
*I ONLY REMEMBER THE FIRST ONE LOL*
I only remember the "I am iron man" scene
Why do I addicted to this kind of video
This feels like something you would see in a comment section or a random fight in discord or twitter
Because it is
Phoenix: It is the most forgettable film in the MCU.
Me: Fair point, I didn't know it existed.
Lmao same
Only one i didnt care for was Thor 2. Love Hemsworth as Thor but the movie was eh to me
Can add a couple more to the list with this new phase lmao
XD 8:30. Eccleston is literally in an episode in doctor who where they fight off evil mannequins, so that’s probs where that came from.
Iron man 3 is one of the best MCU films, simply because of the ending with the House part protocol. The mandarin as well as most of the movie was kinda boring, but holy shit that scene at the end made the whole thing worth it
Objection! Tony did NOT turn his back on Iron Man. The Clean Slate Protocol meant a *Fresh Start*! He gets the arc reactor and shrapnel removed, but he's still Iron Man, just not all the time now, as evidenced by Age of Ultron, and literally every movie after until he dies in End Game (Don't cry foul on spoilers). Everyone misinterpreted that scene, and most likely missed his final line at the end of the movie, which was, and I quote "I AM Iron Man". No, it's not from End Game. No, it's not from Iron Man 1. He says "I am Iron Man" in his third movie. Case resolved!
Edit: Okay, and regarding why Tony gave his address away, I got a simple answer. PTSD. This actually could be the main point of Iron Man 3. Dealing with the PTSD that Tony got after the Battle of New York. Tony didn't expect to come back from space after nuking a ship that was sending aliens down to attack. Put yourself in Tony's shoes, arrogance and all. You fly a nuke into a ship, not expecting to come back. When you come back, surprisingly, you are very disturbed by what happened (to the point that everything in Iron Man 3 is technically a flashback, as it's Tony having a therapy session with Dr. Banner), and begin to respond out of the fear, the possibility that an attack might be one from space. It comes to a head when Happy is injured seriously, resulting in Tony responding to said attack by giving the address away. He was intentionally inviting his enemy to his home, believing he could take them on. That's both the arrogance and PTSD talking.
This reminds me of the debates I'd have with my family at the dinner table..same subject too lol
“I think Iron Patriot looks dope”
“You would you fucking yank”
“Ouch”
I mean... was Captain Marvel even actually good? I never saw it personally but I know there was a lot of controversy around it. I always just put it somewhere in “horrifically average”, not something to consider straight up bad but not in anyway as good as your average marvel movie.
I would say it's easily the worst in the MCU. Even with new phase marvel like Black Widow.
Problem with Captain Marvel is I don't care about it, or its characters, so it's just boring? Very plot convenient, and soulless.
Thor 2 is better because it has Thor and Loki. It might not be a good movie but some scenes are good and I enjoy the characters. Same story with Iron Man 3.
So, in a way, Thor 2 and Ironman 3 ARE worse than Captain Marvel from a story standpoint, but still better because I can find enjoyment in them. But Captain Marvel's just like cardboard or something. Not terrible? But so bland I'd rather watch something terrible because at least I feel something while watching it...
@Pagatryx No offense but that entire comment was pointless and didn't thoroughly explain why captain marvel is the worst and you basically admitted iron man 3 is worse
@@regal2424 I can tell by the fact you can't exactly say why I'm wrong.
Basic story does not determine the quality of a movie. You can have a better story but still be significantly worse if your characters are terrible and boring to watch.
Spiderman Homecoming is the best.
Peak humor, good action, compelling character arcs, sympathetic villain.
12:42 Edgeworth's response was correct but also out of line.
Wow this is a really good structured debate
3:21 I love the completely straight face accompanied by “lol”
and 6:34
Criminally underrated so im subscribing
Thank you so much my dude. Glad you liked it 👍
@@H4ZZMAT Liked it???
I think you misunderstood.... I LOVE IT
@@rafaelkaruna7262 oh you’re too kind thank you❤️
"I heard hot men"
"Quiet, your horny."
"This is a serious matter."
*Bonk*
the mandarin being an actor birthed one of the most iconic quotes in the mcu
Iron man 3 had amazing action and a good story
People only complain because of the twist they dont like
For me your comment is below a guy saying how they film had great action and story but they hated it only because of the plot twist
Perfect
@@willchalloner6643 I mean a twist can ruin a story for people. If a twist isn't pulled off well it can completely ruin someone's immersion.
I just feel like the twist ruined the villian. Make it so he is his own guy not piggyback off of the mandarin's name
All I remember is the twist
As someone who didnt read iron man before he got popular, the twist didnt activate my fanboy rage
The mandririn to be like that because of China having a say in Hollywood and not wanting a Chinese main villain. Like how in doctor strange they change the master into a Keltic woman when the original was a Tibetan man and China doesn’t recognize the Tibetan religion
they’ve been rather touchy on these types of shit
I wanna see the GotG debate, those films slap
9:58 That's a really good point like holy moly, well said.
What a thrilling ride this was lmao, when's the next one
IM3, Thor 2 and Incredible Hulk were supposed to be bad? I loved them. At least they kept my attention.
I LITERALLY FELL ASLEEP WATCHING CAPTAIN MARVEL....
There not supposed to be bad. People just didn’t like them.
when they mentioned whiplash the first thing i thought of was this whiplash-themed straw i got when i was a kid
5:39 I acutally watched HISHE. They actually make logical sense to how main characters could have avoided situations in the movie
Same 😂