There are 15+ years of documented history (both online and personal stories) for the Dirty Kanza and (now) Unbound. Like most things in life, doing a little recon and research about what you’re getting into is a wise idea. At this point, if the weather and/or mud caught someone off-guard, they didn’t do their homework.
@@shimona500 As a lifelong midwesterner, that’s what our gravel roads are like. It’s part of the challenge on a bicycle, just the same as it would be driving a car. Gravel road riding isn’t for everyone.
@@StudQBeefpileI’ve watched quite a few videos and they mostly said this year was unusual and a wholly bad decision by the organizers. So I don’t think that’s a fair statement. Normal mud, gravel and tough conditions yes. Unridable mud, no.
This is great content Ben and very timely for me. I bought a new Giant Revolt in early spring and after roughly 1,000 miles as I was cleaning it post ride, I noticed 2 vertical cracks on the seat tube. Sounds like this is a documented issue with the 2022 Revolts and that seat clamp design. Took it into the LBS I bought it from (who used to sponsor my old race team) and they confirmed what I was seeing. Giant said it was simply paint damage but agreed to replace the frame and cover the cost to swap over the components. The owner of the LBS (who is a friend) stated Giant was one of the better brands in their carbon replacement warranty. Quoted 5 to 6 weeks for a new color matched frame as it was coming from Taiwan and now we are at 8 weeks out with no frame just yet. Also, so encouraging to see the bottom bracket back to life with some TLC.
@@Planetone. from what I was able to locate info wise, most of the issue was with early production run 2022 Revolts of which mine was one. If you believe what is stated out in the various forums etc, Giant has modified the frame with additional carbon at the top of the seat tube going forward. All that said, I absolutely love the Revolt itself! I am sure you will enjoy yours as well.
I had the same issue too, was told the same thing, and Giant provided a replacement frame. I was also told about 5 weeks but it took about 8-9. Hope yours comes soon. So far no problems with the replacement frame.
I didn’t do Unbound, haven’t trashed/thrashed my bike, but was wondering about this very topic as I watched all the gnarly “Unbound Recap” vids and posts. Thank you, Ben!
after all the videos i watched silently to this point, i really have to say this is my absolute favourite gravel channel! It really shows, that you have plenty of experience and connections in the bike industry. All of this is presented in such an authentic manner that i really value your opinion on gravel topics in general. Keep it up, you`re an S tier cycling channel!
Thanks for posting this Ben. There are plenty of videos/articles out there about crash and impact damage to carbon bikes, but this is one of the first I have seen about abrasion damage. Super useful and interesting.
Just echoing what others have said here. Feel like many gravel cyclists have had the exact same question. Thanks for the comprehensive contract and answers.
As usual a fantastic video Ben. The UCI qualifying race called Seven was a mud fest this year (although thankfully not unbound style of mud) it took me two full days to work through and clean the bike. Basically chewed through a set of pads and will see if I can bring the chain back to life. Keep up the great work.
A great real-world video. Many of us have put our gravel bikes through the ringer this year with all the wet and muddy weather. Thanks for putting this together!
My Ti frame made it out of Unbound just fine! The fork has a few marks inside, but nothing I could not get elsewhere. Sadly it took my heels about 3 weeks to heal! My blisters had blisters.
Same here. I’m even considering a Ti fork for peace of mind. That being said, I’ve also removed some “bucket list” events from said list, since spending several thousands of dollars and flying several hours just to wreck my bike and DNF doesn’t seem so appealing.
When u have the inclination, how about a review on bike cases/box/ bags for travel. Seems like u move around a lot. Cos I’m about to take a flight with my bike.
Hey Ben, this is an excellent video. Extremely informative. Makes a strong case for riding steel and Ti frames in extreme, muddy conditions. Also, I've known where the shifting hoods also have to be cleaned and serviced in worst case scenarios.
my bikes have a bunch of clear coat on it from a car paint marker. doesn't look perfect, but it's one more layer between abrasives and the important stuff where the paint wears down
and that weight penalty is nothing compared to finding a hole in your frame. I am calling it right now, more and more metal frames are going to show up at extreme gravel events...
I too bought the Watia and love it. The frame isn't as stiff as my carbon frame gravel bike and it seems to be less responsive to immediate accelerations, but it is as light (if not lighter), than most carbon frame gravel bike setups.
I added a bit of grease around the seals of my bb- same under the end caps of my pedals before the race. No problem with my BB that probably cost 1/4 of the ceramic speed bearings. Waxed chain repels the mud. Don't ride an "aero" gravel bike with 1/2" of rear tire to seat tube clearance at this race!
The content creates itself. Unbound, in hindsight, should have rerouted. This much damage is unacceptable. I should shop for broken carbon frames to send to Broken Carbon.
Hi, in this cases with some kind of invis or 3M frame pretect will be maybe enought to save some of this damages? In another disciplines such enduro or XC its pretty common to protect the frame with this transparent patches that maybe someome have experience for gravel?
The bike industry shouldn’t buckle to one insane event. Riders need to voice their concerns on unrideable surfaces. The whole purpose of the sport is riding… my two cents anywayz
I found wear marks in my Enve fork after riding in mud. I took several photos and checked with their warranty team via email and they basically replied, “It’s fine.” Didn’t offer or advise me to take it into a dealer or have any other recommendations.
Check out #invis - frame protection I have on my Crux and STR. I trashed a fork on my old diverge some years back due to mud stuck between the tyre and fork.
How do the alloy users fair in Unbound? Do titanium, aluminium or steel frames have the same issues? Sure paint will come off but those materials are more resistant to abrasion. Finally, tyres! Are some of the lugs retaining more mud and increasing the abrasive paste?
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney I am calling it, we will see more Ti frames showing up at extreme gravel events.... 1.5 lb penalty compared to insecurity of a frame failure or complete damage is worth it to me....
@@garyaland Lose 1.5 pounds. Problem solved!!! Reminds of barrel racers who are 40 pounds overweight, but trying to save 2 pounds by getting a lighter saddle!
Riders should do their research. There are many online ride reports of mud and weather being a part of the challenge of the event throughout Dirty Kanza’s and (now) Unbound’s history. Some riders either don’t find a particular gravel event their liking (and that’s okay) or they may not have the necessary skill set(s) to achieve their desired goals (either completion or a particular time goal) at an event like Unbound.
Thanks, Ben, this is a fantastic public service announcement, all this what-to-do with worn paint or carbon. And in no way do I mean to demean carbon, but doesn't this make the argument for a metal frame with perhaps an easily replaceable carbon fork? Gravel can be a mean one like Mr. Grinch, one moment you are riding and the next you are sliding out and who know why, yet we dust ourselves off and ride until sunset on our steeds which can take the hit, tho' I'd be concerned about some hairline crack or whatever in carbon, just me.
Maybe this is be a case for using an aluminum frame gravel bike for this severe coarse racing 🙂? Unless you're a pro racer I mean. us mere mortals can get by with an aluminum frame that would probably hold up better under that kind of abuse. Just an idea that popped in my head. I might be off base here. My gravel bike is an aluminum bike, but that's more because I didn't have the money for a carbon bike.
Hey there's a new $10,000 Scott gravel bike. I would hate having to ask Scott to return that bike under warranty. Especially if they bought it thru a local bike shop and it took 5 months to get it. yikes!
@@niconaguit That's good stuff. Also the 3M paint protection film. I wrap strips on my frame (3 points) where my triangle bag attaches to the top tube and seat tube to prevent the straps from wearing through the paint. Works great against the abrasion. Absolutely would help on seat and chain stays and there's such minimal thickness that you're not really sacrificing any practical tire clearance. Ben could mention this tip in a future video as it would be helpful to many people riding those super muddy races and prevent this type of paint and frame damage.
Wow, I would rent a loaner bike too if I’m racing unbound.😅 Imagine your thousands of dollar bike just getting destroyed in one race, unbound organizers should be liable for this unless you signed some waivers of it before the race. Ask a lawyer! lol Great video, thank you for the information.
So this is not a problem with Unbound, this is a problem with all Carbon Bikes ! They're great for street, I have 3 of them. But they do not the durability of a metal frame bike for abrasive conditions. I will never have another new carbon bike after the problems I've had in the mud with my Checkpoint and problems I've had with mtn bike durability on carbon frames. Broken Carbon is so expensive you might as well as buy a new bike !
Bike companies must hate the carbon repair guy! Sounds like a bunch of lawsuits letting them paint over a repair that's not certified by the bike brand. But I guess that's why so many brands do warranty programs.
Back in the day some companies made mud scrapers that could be bolted to the bike, doubt that would be a hard thing to design on these naff gravel bikes (probably need steel or Ti )with the semi slicks, something that would hug the tyre profile allowing for a bit of deformation and scrape/shed the mud away from the bike (semi slicks- as we used to call them on 26er's...to me the whole "gravel" scene is just a re-invented pile of w**k)
The carbon bits could have been much better with some examples from your expert. How hard is it to create something like that in his shop? Easy enough to sand away on an old chainstay to expose various layers of the lay-up, then show them with "This amount of wear is just cosmetic" vs "This amount of wear needs to be repaired." to better demonstrate what he's trying to explain. After being in bike retail/wholesale for a few decades I have serious doubts about a LBS being able to determine what's safe to use vs needs repair when it comes to carbon. Finally I gotta laugh some when reading about how gravel bikes get "ruined" from riding them on unpaved surfaces and how many say this event should have been altered...to not damage the expensive bicycles they use?!?!
My recommendation is don't use a full carbon bike at unbound or any gravel race. Why ? One word " SANDPAPER" I believe a person should stick with 1. 35c tires or 650 b x 2.1.25 2 . Aluminium main triangle with steel rear triangle along with a steel front fork. Why you may ask. Shock absorbing and easier to repair / repaint Just my thoughts. Everybody has an opinion. This is just my 2 cents use it wisely One other note Big Ben are you going to do the tour divide
So this is the problem with carbon frames ! They have no abrasion resistance! You don't have to race unbound to have this happen. I sold my Trek Checkpoint after doing a muddy training ride and seeing the early stages of wear on my chain stays and bottom bracket area. There is no good answer for this, other than avoid clay based mud rides. or get an aluminum/steel/titanium frame ! The pros can ride these events with ultra light carbon but the amateur racers will find that "Broken Carbon" is very expensive to repair their bikes. Your better off without carbon gravel bikes!
The funny thing is, alot of these bike repairs are the youtubers who get the bikes for free and dont care what happens. If I was riding on that day, I would've abandoned just to save myself the money and hassle.
@@garagesale5948 this is not true, people go to unbound for the extreme challenge of the event, it not only will be physically challenging on your body but also your equipment. The issue arrises then participants want to race an f1 type bike when more of a baja style rig is called for.... no one is forced to participate in bike events, everyone in this country has the right to say no and back out...
“Paying to wreck your bike”. That should be the new motto for Unbound.
"Spirit of Gravel"
There are 15+ years of documented history (both online and personal stories) for the Dirty Kanza and (now) Unbound.
Like most things in life, doing a little recon and research about what you’re getting into is a wise idea.
At this point, if the weather and/or mud caught someone off-guard, they didn’t do their homework.
@@StudQBeefpile Why's it called a gravel race then
@@shimona500 As a lifelong midwesterner, that’s what our gravel roads are like. It’s part of the challenge on a bicycle, just the same as it would be driving a car.
Gravel road riding isn’t for everyone.
@@StudQBeefpileI’ve watched quite a few videos and they mostly said this year was unusual and a wholly bad decision by the organizers. So I don’t think that’s a fair statement. Normal mud, gravel and tough conditions yes. Unridable mud, no.
This is great content Ben and very timely for me. I bought a new Giant Revolt in early spring and after roughly 1,000 miles as I was cleaning it post ride, I noticed 2 vertical cracks on the seat tube. Sounds like this is a documented issue with the 2022 Revolts and that seat clamp design. Took it into the LBS I bought it from (who used to sponsor my old race team) and they confirmed what I was seeing. Giant said it was simply paint damage but agreed to replace the frame and cover the cost to swap over the components. The owner of the LBS (who is a friend) stated Giant was one of the better brands in their carbon replacement warranty. Quoted 5 to 6 weeks for a new color matched frame as it was coming from Taiwan and now we are at 8 weeks out with no frame just yet.
Also, so encouraging to see the bottom bracket back to life with some TLC.
I just bought a 2023 Revolt hope no same issue w/ this one in the future🤞
@@Planetone. from what I was able to locate info wise, most of the issue was with early production run 2022 Revolts of which mine was one. If you believe what is stated out in the various forums etc, Giant has modified the frame with additional carbon at the top of the seat tube going forward. All that said, I absolutely love the Revolt itself! I am sure you will enjoy yours as well.
I had the same issue too, was told the same thing, and Giant provided a replacement frame. I was also told about 5 weeks but it took about 8-9. Hope yours comes soon. So far no problems with the replacement frame.
I didn’t do Unbound, haven’t trashed/thrashed my bike, but was wondering about this very topic as I watched all the gnarly
“Unbound Recap” vids and posts. Thank you, Ben!
after all the videos i watched silently to this point, i really have to say this is my absolute favourite gravel channel! It really shows, that you have plenty of experience and connections in the bike industry. All of this is presented in such an authentic manner that i really value your opinion on gravel topics in general. Keep it up, you`re an S tier cycling channel!
Thank you.
Thanks for posting this Ben. There are plenty of videos/articles out there about crash and impact damage to carbon bikes, but this is one of the first I have seen about abrasion damage. Super useful and interesting.
Agreed! Glad to see this topic covered with a good degree of thoroughness!
Thank you for posting as very timely. Added benefit to see my same bike being worked on. :)
Just echoing what others have said here. Feel like many gravel cyclists have had the exact same question. Thanks for the comprehensive contract and answers.
As usual a fantastic video Ben. The UCI qualifying race called Seven was a mud fest this year (although thankfully not unbound style of mud) it took me two full days to work through and clean the bike. Basically chewed through a set of pads and will see if I can bring the chain back to life. Keep up the great work.
There is a reason uci is having their race take place in Italy.
Great content, as usual. Brady also repaired a Tarmac for me back in 2018. Highly recommend their work.
A great real-world video. Many of us have put our gravel bikes through the ringer this year with all the wet and muddy weather. Thanks for putting this together!
Im positive this video will serve good info to those whom raced at unbound, what a mess to deal with, great content my man, awesome channel ❤
Thank you.
“Good luck People, Good luck” thanks Ben!
The conditions are what makes the race epic, just amazed at the amount of complaints I see.
God, I love my titanium gravel frame...
My Ti frame made it out of Unbound just fine! The fork has a few marks inside, but nothing I could not get elsewhere. Sadly it took my heels about 3 weeks to heal! My blisters had blisters.
Same here. I’m even considering a Ti fork for peace of mind. That being said, I’ve also removed some “bucket list” events from said list, since spending several thousands of dollars and flying several hours just to wreck my bike and DNF doesn’t seem so appealing.
When u have the inclination, how about a review on bike cases/box/ bags for travel. Seems like u move around a lot. Cos I’m about to take a flight with my bike.
Great idea for a post-Unbound video. Very helpful on the carbon wear and repair questions.
Hey Ben, this is an excellent video. Extremely informative. Makes a strong case for riding steel and Ti frames in extreme, muddy conditions. Also, I've known where the shifting hoods also have to be cleaned and serviced in worst case scenarios.
my bikes have a bunch of clear coat on it from a car paint marker. doesn't look perfect, but it's one more layer between abrasives and the important stuff where the paint wears down
This is why I just couldn’t justify buying a carbon bike. I took the weight penalty and got a titanium gravel bike (Litespeed Watia).
and that weight penalty is nothing compared to finding a hole in your frame. I am calling it right now, more and more metal frames are going to show up at extreme gravel events...
I too bought the Watia and love it. The frame isn't as stiff as my carbon frame gravel bike and it seems to be less responsive to immediate accelerations, but it is as light (if not lighter), than most carbon frame gravel bike setups.
danngg,,I haven't touch my bike yet since the Unbound event.
and now it is a bonded statue...
Got d stuff to know/learn! Just bought some Castelli gravel bibs, definitely like how they feel so far!!
The seam that runs down the inside of the thigh on the Castelli Unlimited bibs really chews up my undercarriage on long rides.
I added a bit of grease around the seals of my bb- same under the end caps of my pedals before the race. No problem with my BB that probably cost 1/4 of the ceramic speed bearings. Waxed chain repels the mud. Don't ride an "aero" gravel bike with 1/2" of rear tire to seat tube clearance at this race!
Hey I recognize that hole in the fork.
Sounds like people need 3M frame protector kits for Unbound
PPF really won't help in huge mud. Best thing is to get off, clean mud, and walk if your bike isn't clearing
The content creates itself. Unbound, in hindsight, should have rerouted. This much damage is unacceptable. I should shop for broken carbon frames to send to Broken Carbon.
Hi,
in this cases with some kind of invis or 3M frame pretect will be maybe enought to save some of this damages?
In another disciplines such enduro or XC its pretty common to protect the frame with this transparent patches that maybe someome have experience for gravel?
The bike industry shouldn’t buckle to one insane event. Riders need to voice their concerns on unrideable surfaces. The whole purpose of the sport is riding… my two cents anywayz
Wait!!! A Guinness Glass without Guinness? Isn't that a crime?😀
I found wear marks in my Enve fork after riding in mud. I took several photos and checked with their warranty team via email and they basically replied, “It’s fine.” Didn’t offer or advise me to take it into a dealer or have any other recommendations.
How do you like that factor? I’m thinking of building one up this winter. Getting the itch after a couple years with the warbird.
I have the Ostro Gravel built with SRAM Red. It is currently my favorite bike.
Yo Ben... What's the brand of bag you have on the Factor bike??
Dawn to Dusk
Check out #invis - frame protection I have on my Crux and STR. I trashed a fork on my old diverge some years back due to mud stuck between the tyre and fork.
Thanks. Will check it out.
Those bike protection films are about to sell out.
Thanks! Is there a best practice for cleaning bbs?
I have three titanium bikes which clean up real nice. And I don't ride in mud pits. Duh.
How do the alloy users fair in Unbound? Do titanium, aluminium or steel frames have the same issues?
Sure paint will come off but those materials are more resistant to abrasion.
Finally, tyres! Are some of the lugs retaining more mud and increasing the abrasive paste?
Metal fares better for sure. Re tires: some opt for skinnier slicks - or slicker tires - in the hopes of less mud build up and better clearance.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney I am calling it, we will see more Ti frames showing up at extreme gravel events.... 1.5 lb penalty compared to insecurity of a frame failure or complete damage is worth it to me....
@@garyaland Lose 1.5 pounds. Problem solved!!! Reminds of barrel racers who are 40 pounds overweight, but trying to save 2 pounds by getting a lighter saddle!
A question, is as old as cycling itself if I ben Delaney my bike, What would ben Delaney do?
Unbound needs to reevaluate their course planning regarding all the mud and how many people DNF’d due to maintenance problems
They got lots of free advertising
Riders should do their research.
There are many online ride reports of mud and weather being a part of the challenge of the event throughout Dirty Kanza’s and (now) Unbound’s history.
Some riders either don’t find a particular gravel event their liking (and that’s okay) or they may not have the necessary skill set(s) to achieve their desired goals (either completion or a particular time goal) at an event like Unbound.
for us non sponsored riders, for sure
A similar percentage DNF'd the 200 in 2021 simply due to the 89F temps.
I wonder if all these damaged bikes will make the organizers reconsider lying down peanut butter before the race..
Thanks, Ben, this is a fantastic public service announcement, all this what-to-do with worn paint or carbon. And in no way do I mean to demean carbon, but doesn't this make the argument for a metal frame with perhaps an easily replaceable carbon fork? Gravel can be a mean one like Mr. Grinch, one moment you are riding and the next you are sliding out and who know why, yet we dust ourselves off and ride until sunset on our steeds which can take the hit, tho' I'd be concerned about some hairline crack or whatever in carbon, just me.
Aero shapes are easier to make in carbon.
Maybe this is be a case for using an aluminum frame gravel bike for this severe coarse racing 🙂? Unless you're a pro racer I mean. us mere mortals can get by with an aluminum frame that would probably hold up better under that kind of abuse. Just an idea that popped in my head. I might be off base here. My gravel bike is an aluminum bike, but that's more because I didn't have the money for a carbon bike.
I guess just get a titanium frame, rock solid. Problem solved. Or get a sponsored bike….
Not solved. The mud is actually loam, its full of sand. No material withstands sanding except kevlar resists
Hey there's a new $10,000 Scott gravel bike. I would hate having to ask Scott to return that bike under warranty. Especially if they bought it thru a local bike shop and it took 5 months to get it. yikes!
Are there any aftermarket accessories to install “armor” in the common frame wear spots?
I put helicopter tape on the chain and seat stays where the tyre passes.
I installed XPEL paint protection film. It survived unbound with no scratches at all.
@@niconaguit That's good stuff. Also the 3M paint protection film. I wrap strips on my frame (3 points) where my triangle bag attaches to the top tube and seat tube to prevent the straps from wearing through the paint. Works great against the abrasion. Absolutely would help on seat and chain stays and there's such minimal thickness that you're not really sacrificing any practical tire clearance. Ben could mention this tip in a future video as it would be helpful to many people riding those super muddy races and prevent this type of paint and frame damage.
I need to check out helicopter tape and XPEL. Thanks, guys.
Good feedback! Thanks.
Wow, I would rent a loaner bike too if I’m racing unbound.😅
Imagine your thousands of dollar bike just getting destroyed in one race, unbound organizers should be liable for this unless you signed some waivers of it before the race. Ask a lawyer! lol
Great video, thank you for the information.
How to Prep your (New) bike for gravel should be the next video. The before vid
I rode my gravel bike a few times and had enough of the gimmick!!! Selling and putting the money into a nicer mountain bike!!!!!
So this is not a problem with Unbound, this is a problem with all Carbon Bikes ! They're great for street, I have 3 of them. But they do not the durability of a metal frame bike for abrasive conditions.
I will never have another new carbon bike after the problems I've had in the mud with my Checkpoint and problems I've had with mtn bike durability on carbon frames. Broken Carbon is so expensive you might as well as buy a new bike !
Bike companies must hate the carbon repair guy! Sounds like a bunch of lawsuits letting them paint over a repair that's not certified by the bike brand. But I guess that's why so many brands do warranty programs.
Back in the day some companies made mud scrapers that could be bolted to the bike, doubt that would be a hard thing to design on these naff gravel bikes (probably need steel or Ti )with the semi slicks, something that would hug the tyre profile allowing for a bit of deformation and scrape/shed the mud away from the bike (semi slicks- as we used to call them on 26er's...to me the whole "gravel" scene is just a re-invented pile of w**k)
LOL, gravel sound fun until you trash your expensive bike ;P
Buy Titanium...
Sully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Helicopter tape and pack a park tool gcs-1 if you forsee mud. Not hard
The carbon bits could have been much better with some examples from your expert. How hard is it to create something like that in his shop? Easy enough to sand away on an old chainstay to expose various layers of the lay-up, then show them with "This amount of wear is just cosmetic" vs "This amount of wear needs to be repaired." to better demonstrate what he's trying to explain. After being in bike retail/wholesale for a few decades I have serious doubts about a LBS being able to determine what's safe to use vs needs repair when it comes to carbon.
Finally I gotta laugh some when reading about how gravel bikes get "ruined" from riding them on unpaved surfaces and how many say this event should have been altered...to not damage the expensive bicycles they use?!?!
Imagine riding dirty kanza with 2 mm of clearance and blaming gravel racing for the damage 😂
My recommendation is don't use a full carbon bike at unbound or any gravel race. Why ? One word " SANDPAPER"
I believe a person should stick with 1. 35c tires or 650 b x 2.1.25 2 . Aluminium main triangle with steel rear triangle along with a steel front fork.
Why you may ask. Shock absorbing and easier to repair / repaint
Just my thoughts. Everybody has an opinion. This is just my 2 cents use it wisely
One other note Big Ben are you going to do the tour divide
Steel next time
So this is the problem with carbon frames ! They have no abrasion resistance! You don't have to race unbound to have this happen. I sold my Trek Checkpoint after doing a muddy training ride and seeing the early stages of wear on my chain stays and bottom bracket area. There is no good answer for this, other than avoid clay based mud rides. or get an aluminum/steel/titanium frame !
The pros can ride these events with ultra light carbon but the amateur racers will find that "Broken Carbon" is very expensive to repair their bikes. Your better off without carbon gravel bikes!
Don't race gravel, problem solved!
Get off my lawn.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Exactly!
get metal bike.
Good topic to discuss after. A demolition derby - should i say. - good set of recommandations after any harsh event - 👍
Now what? Call another manufacture and secure a new long term "demo" bike. Best off road bike is a rental.
The funny thing is, alot of these bike repairs are the youtubers who get the bikes for free and dont care what happens. If I was riding on that day, I would've abandoned just to save myself the money and hassle.
@@nationsnumber1chump Unbound organizers were irresponsible, they knew the damage the course would do to carbon frames and ignored it.
@@garagesale5948 I dont think they knew it would be like peanut butter that much but yeah it's to thier own detriment
@@nationsnumber1chump I woulda' bailed, no ride is worth the integrity of your bike, or even equipment.
@@garagesale5948 this is not true, people go to unbound for the extreme challenge of the event, it not only will be physically challenging on your body but also your equipment. The issue arrises then participants want to race an f1 type bike when more of a baja style rig is called for.... no one is forced to participate in bike events, everyone in this country has the right to say no and back out...