Mother I Sober is also in part about generational black trauma, so the fact that Drake didn’t understand the song really furthered Kendrick’s point that he’s just stealing from the culture
Drake did a LOT to illustrate Kendrick's point that he isn't of the culture. Tupac AI. Putting Tupac's ring in the video. Mocking Kendrick for rapping like he's trying to get the slaves freed when he's actually talking about very real modern black issues which is a big part of what audiences appreciate about him. Telling Kendrick he isn't gang affiliated (as if he would know) and listing off a bunch of rappers who "actually bang a set" like a weirdo. Telling his mom Rick Ross is being "racist". Having his white mom say "maybe you shouldn't say" and leaning haaaard into the n-word which he says more in that song than any other song of his. "Ok we get it. The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice. We know you like to put jin in your juice." Buying chains from hip hop figures and then displaying them like he snatched them. Dissing Pharrell in the first place, when he is one of the most universally loved people in hip hop and a total square. You don't beef with someone like Pharrell. You're just being a bully and the streets don't like bullies. Using his money to buy up hip hop memorabilia to take to Canada like a tourist (or colonizer). Smashing the GKMC van is even an example of him being out of touch with iconography that hip hop culture cares about. Flipping the Michael Jackson thing when the topic became about PDF files... Kendrick never used the MJ angle for that because Black folks (generally speaking) don't believe MJ did the things he was accused of. But Drake wouldn't know that, so... Thinking Kendrick's point is about him being biracial. And he goes on and on on and on and on....
It's crazy cause he literally gets called out in MTG for leaking it himself for pushing his agenda further of allegedly luring women, but then in FMP6 he boasts about it. Like, that was clearly not the flex he thought it was lol
@@Pyxyty Yeah, dude is weird. People keep giving him a pass, too. Just like Kanye. I don't care how 'good' of an artist someone is(I'm not a fan of Drake or Kanye) if they're creeping on underage girls, or being antisemitic and all the other shit kanye says, like, nah, they're done. Stop giving them support.
"Always rapping like you tryna get the slaves freed" is when Drake lost. Absolutely out of touch with the roots of the genre, proves that Drake is not hiphop
Nah you missed the point, he's right, Kendrick is a fake activist. He says pretty much nothing new but is a good enough lyricist to trick dumb people into thinking he's profound.
Not only is it offensive, but it's like...also a compliment? Like, that's a good thing to try and do, Drake! That's something people should want to hear!
Saying "they're probably gonna call me a pedophile" is such a self diss. You're called a pedophile so often that you just know it's gonna keep happening? Maybe reflect and realize why you are called that so often lol
Any use of someone's voice without their express permission is gravedigging. Family permission is better than no permission but at its core its the same thing. "Don't dig up the dead" should be the standard, not digging them up *respectfully*. Tupac serves an important role in the message of tpab so for the sake of art, gravedigging was what Kendrick decided was needed. Simple as that. No need to try to make it seem like a selfless act or anything. If someone finds it weird then its fine for them to feel that way.
@@wtolman You sound like sum1 that purposely takes something out of context in a poor attempt try to equal the playn field when comparing yourself in juxtaposition in relations to other ppls actions just to redirect the attention off of yourself when you do something wrong. & im talking DIRECTLY to you... Just remember to be careful of what you say bc it's a representation of "YOUR CHARACTER" bc otherwise what u say can make a fool of you rather than that of what ur tryn 2 make of others. ☮& blessings, & have a happy & wonderful life, bc I am & wouldn't want anything less 4u 🙏✨😇💫💞.
@wtolman That is a difficult conversation to be had perhaps about virtue and dignity. It's difficult to pinpoint the malice and inconsistencies or the narrative in the use of that interview. Such that, at least to me, it creates a more intuitive rather than logical reason for not "grave digging." Your intuition could entail that it's a selfish move, which is inherently obvious, though subjective. The injection of nuance may or may not shift the very group of people who intuitively agree to the selfishness in the first place. Additionally, to those that shift their perspective, there may be a morally valuable reason discovered through logic or careful thinking. Let me present this example to describe what I'm alluding to: I create a song or my own legacy based around my feelings on a subject and go as far as creating art that immortalizes my efforts to what I'm standing for and encourage a generation of people to do the same and then one of the few I inspired goes to share that message I built for most of my life or contributed most of my energy and time building. Where does the virtue fall in having their art echo my sentiments once I am deceased?
The sentiment was not original. in fact, it had the impact it did due to that unoriginality because that is what the person said in that recording echoed through his art... I'm not saying anything Kendrick did was right, even with The heart part 5. I'm not saying it was wrong, either. I'm just trying to point out how tricky it can be judging the virtue in that situation. I'm young and therefore yet to be influenced by a lot of experience through growing up so the statement I made is more a reflection of my state of mind, if you have a different point of view, enlighten me.
I love that Drake said he would never look at a teenager like that when he's also got an old lyric that goes "high school pic you was even bad then"... Like, the dude is so into teenagers he found a way to sexualize an adult woman as a teenager. I believe what Kendrick says about Drake because I also believe what Drake has said about Drake, and it sounds to me like they are saying the same thing: Drake is attracted to minors.
My interpretation of the "bring back puff" line has always been that Drake brought back Kendrick's biggest idol, Tupac, and Kendrick should bring back Puff Daddy (The Diddler) because drake does the same things that Diddy was exposed for and thus Puff is an inspiration to Drake. Idek thats just me
i think it also means "do you want me to bring back the violence of puff's heyday" because diddy was deeply involved back when people were actually getting shot on the regular over rap beef.
There's also the rumors that Puff was behind 2pac's death. If Drake is gonna imitate Pac, someone might decide he should commit to the character a bit more. He also says something similar on Not Like Us.
@@VicDealio I think it might be out of character for Kendrick to explicitly link Pac's death to Drake's symbolic one, but he could still allude to just Diddy's violent role in the Pac and BIG beef
@@kadenpj "He stuck up the place before back in 84" right? they weren't in LA yet, they were in Chicago if I remember correctly. They moved to Compton when kendrick was born, 1987.
Its so weird how Drake acts like he ran up on Pharrell and snatched his chain when he bought it at an auction. Drake, you BOUGHT them, you dont get to act like you are hard because you bought some jewelry at an auction. Another fun fact about Air Drake, he doenst even own it, it s still owned and operated by CargoJet, he just entered a partnership deal with them for him to customize it and use it as a private jet for promotion. i also, mostly agree with you that the people saying "drake told on himself" are unfair. BUT the "Im too fanous to not get cuaght" shit is probably THE DUMBEST thing ive heard someone say ever.
@@gracejordan110 I saw an interview where someone close to Kdot said euphoria was originally 19 minutes long, and I for one would LOVE to listen to it.
@@m1lkbags I’m pretty sure what I saw was a DJ head interview (I could totally be wrong) but the claim was that he wrote all 10 songs in a single session, with the last one being “very personal” in comparison lol. Like was what we heard so far not personal holy shit? But when he did his first iteration of euphoria (his *not* personal response track) was originally 19 minutes and he cut most of it out.
It's worth noting that the Tupac family estate gave Kendrick permission to do the interview bit, and they filed a cease and desist with Drake. It's clear that one of them was more permissible than the other.
@DB1Dragoon And there’s a massive part of it. Respect. Kendrick made it very clear how he feels about Tupac and his legacy, both in his music and in his Pop Out concert. Drake flashes Tupac’s ring every chance he gets, as if it means something. All it means is that he paid for what he considers a status symbol, something he’s hoping might give him some measure of credibility. Kendrick is genuinely angry at Drake using trying to use Tupac for clout. Buying that ring and using AI did not work the way Drake was hoping it would. It’s been about as effective as Kim K. buying Princess Diana’s jewelry and hoping her iconic status would somehow transfer to Kim via a purchase. Same mentality - owning a piece of history does not make you a part of it.
I will never forget the infamous RAP beef between Dignan and Anthony Fantano’s roommate Cal Cuchesta. Although Diggy’s diss track won the Grammy for best Hate Speech it was all settled once Cal pantsed Dignan during his acceptance speech exposing that he was wearing PB & J undies. Everyone pointed and laughed. Truly one for the ages
sorry but its infuriating this is missed with rhe comparisons to taylor made and the interview kendrick did on tpab, is that kendrick asked and got permission from tupac's estate and family to do it while drake did it entirely distastefully without any consent or asking
they also didn’t talk about The Riddler aka “EbonyPrince2k24” who has shown multiple pieces of evidence that they are in possession of everything from the meet the grahams cover art, and who’s very existence made drake and dj akademiks retract their statement claiming that the items were stolen out of a suitcase
@@SaltSpirits yea.. but ebonyprince2k24 dropped the ball by making too many weird posts. obviously he has some evidence, he showed some. but his yapping made people turn off lol
I think the point is moreso about kendricks vanity and presumptuousness. even though it's a great aspect of the album it definitely does seem a bit self-absorbed to make something like that when you look at it from a distance. idk that drake is tapped in enough to really make that argument coherently though.
Regardless of if you get consent from the family, you can't get consent from the man himself. So to make him say stuff that he might not agree with after he's dead is weird regardless. Both are weird for that imo
@@Camothor10 it just shows that if Kdot was into making club like songs he can get the numbers but he been more known for his lyrics and deeper message. Kendrick can play on drakes field of music but Drake can’t play on Kendrick’s
I think a lot of people have overlooked how serious Kendrick took 6:16 in that first verse. He talked about how he believed he was going into a war that he needed God's support for. I truly think he knows something and this was him trying to expose it to the masses, and I think drake knows if Kendrick knows more then he will definitely reveal it
Especially considering the line comes immediately after talking about "not knowing what God's considering" which could easily be about that AI sermon preach. Absolutely
I Really doubt that with all the sixth sense references between Euphoria and Not Like Us, Kendrick wouldn't know the name of the main actor. Definitely intentional
@@RealBrizz u want me to go outside at 4 am? i think you mean go to bed and i was trying but the anticipation of kendrick dropping another diss/drakes response kept me up
I was looking for this comment, they dont understand the chokehold that certified loverboy/ a minor bar has on everyone even now at least in my circles
The way I phrased it was "Meet the Grahams felt like it was steeped in 1800's gothic writing mixed with psychological horror from modern times". It was malicious, made to dig deep, like cutting someone with a rusty bread knife. Genuinely felt cold in my soul
I know it's a meme that Kendrick is writing quadruple entendres, but some of the bars legitimately are that deep. 6 :16 in LA starts with "Off-white Sunseeker at the marina." 1. It's a kind of yacht. 2. Drake is a deadbeat dad (son seeker). 3. It's a reference to the story of Icarus. 4. It's a possible allusion to Lil Yachty and Daylyt, two of Drake's ghostwriters. Meanwhile Drake is spitting "You're short, lol"
Also: Drake is biracial but isn't a part of Black culture (he's off-white) Drake is a sunseeker because he's trying to co-opt Black culture, aka trying to appear Blacker whether that be appearance wise or mannerisms idk i might be reaching but it does work
6:16 is my favorite track from the beef because every line in that 1st verse is packed with meaning - love the Raphael bar as well. I also love how whenever he mentions God, the synths come in. Elevates the track so much and shows how much thought goes into his songwriting.
Another thing I haven't seen anyone mention about the beef is that Kendrick dropped Euphoria on a Tuesday and Drake was on the song Tuesday by ILOVEMAKONNEN, who signed to OVO, and then practically disappeared because of mismanagement. Side note, I feel bad for Ko, because after Tuesday, the only other song he was on that got big was Lil Peep's I've Been Waiting, featuring Ko and Fall Out Boy, and that collaboration only even happened because Peep blew up in popularity after he died, and Peep and Ko were really close. Falling Down, the Lil Peep ft XXXTentacion song that got super popular was originally a duet between Peep and Ko about their relationship, called Sunlight On Your Skin. The chorus literally even has Peep address Ko by name (Ko, let's watch the rain as it's falling down), and yet, the version that got popular was the double-posthumous bullshit the label put out with X to capitalize on their deaths. Sorry to ramble, I just wish things could've gone better for Ko, and for Peep. RIP Gus
When y’all realize what kdot did with that “Joe-Hale Osteen” bar you will crap your britches. There is a reason he pronounced the word “HALE” in the middle of Joel Osteens name. He’s combining two names for a bar that has several different meanings. Listen to the pronunciation, hear the explanations, then come back to us. Y’all are doing yourself a disservice by just writing that line off as a mistake. Kdot makes plenty of mistakes, he’s human. That bar wasn’t one of them.
i think the “friendly fade” line is a preface to “what is it the braids” as a fade can kinda be worn by any race but braids are specifically part of black culture
1:20:50 but he didnt even do that. duckworth is about how ducky (kendrick's dad) gave extra chicken and treated ant (top dawg) nice, thus AVOIDING getting robbed. its just like his slip up in referencing mother i sober. somehow he got the exact opposite of what happened lol
I do think Kendrick’s line in Not Like Us about Atlanta is even more damning when you realize he just did it to 4batz, co-signing him & taking his style. Then signing to OVO for one album deal that released the friday Kendrick dropped. Even 4batz posted something along the lines of “i just dropped, i can’t even get 24 hours @KendrickLamar” which he deleted, probably from an OVO exec.
1:20:14 NOOOO YOU GUYS DRAKE DID NOT GET DUCKWORTH!!! /// Drake says Dot's dad got robbed by Top but the end of Ducky is where Kendrick describes how Top chose not to rob the store and kill Kendrick's dad because of him being a nice guy. It's another instance where one of Drake's ghostwriters that listened to Kendrick before they started writing for Drake thinks they kinda remember what that was about but Drizzy's got a no Kendrick policy on the aux or sum in there 💀
favorite part of the "metro shut your ass up and make some drums" bit is that he DID. bbl drizzy (specifically choosing not to copyright it) is such a funny response to that line, as its essentially crowd sourcing a diss. first with the freestyles, but also just because with no heavy lyrics and a super catchy beat, it's debataly most accessible song to come out of this beef. it's trending on tiktok more than any of the other songs. i saw someone make a POTTERY drake diss/edit with it. It's literally getting used in the background of like, knitting videos. it's reached mom tiktok. I think some of these people don't get the context, and that in and of itself has made it so much more pervasive. you literally have complete internet randoms dissing drake, sometimes unknowingly. one of the most underrated moves in this whole thing imo
I genuinely think that drakes “red button” was family matters and the allegations he levied was his nuke, but he didn’t expect Kendrick to suck the air out of the diss. Plus I also think that Kendrick heard family matters way before it was released and started writing meet the grahams where it got super serious.
Would have loved to hear more about the extracurriculars in this beef like other rappers diss tracks and the shooting outside of Drake's mansion! Really good takes all around, Riley really did paint a tapestry of words in my brain that awoke the revolutionary sleeper agent within. Thanks.
I am a vintage clothing nerd so I have some information on the Tommy Hilfiger is a racist rumor. It stems from an alleged interview and email chain between Tommy Hilfiger and Oprah Winfrey in 1999. The rumor goes that Tommy claimed his clothes were for the white upperclass, and if he knew black people would wear them, he wouldn’t have made the clothes so nice. The thing is, this has never been verified. In fact, Oprah said she hadn’t even met or spoken to Tommy Hilfiger at that time. In 2007, Tommy did make an appearance on Oprah’s show where they discussed the rumors. It was explained that no one has been able to figure out where these rumors came from. In my opinion, the reason Tommy took a big hit in the 2000s was over branding, over saturation, and poor quality control. It just became uncool to have a giant Hilfiger flag on your jacket because that logo was everywhere. By 2014, vintage streetwear made a huge comeback and Tommy was able to cash in once more by rereleasing every slightly cool Tommy piece from the 80s and 90s. This ruined the appeal of the brand once more with an abundance of the same over branded product. Now no one really wants Tommy gear. Not the new stuff or the old stuff.
I think Drake referencing “Mother I Sober” was his attempt at going as dark as Kendrick did on Meet the Grahams and just not having the awareness (or ability) of why it worked so well when Kendrick did it
Didn't expect you two to condemn Drake and Kendrick and side with Yuno Miles! I did not commit manslaughter against 3 pregnant women in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1999. Banger video as always.
This would have been the perfect opportunity to have TMG on the show and have Noel give his rundown. Idk what cody would do tho lol, probably just sit in the back like a lil puppy dog
so glad you guys did this video! euphoria randomly popped into my youtube recommendations and the way I looped it like I've never looped a song before. I'd never properly checked out Kendrick but I'm obsessed with that man's voice rn. Drake makes some radio bops that I've heard before obviously but I haven't been interested enough to check out his disses/retorts. euphoria and Not Like Us are going to be songs I listen to a lot, but listening to meet the grahams feels like I'm helping power up a curse for Drake's bloodline or smth though 😂 so appreciate the deep dive you both did and the context added. love the hivemind channel ❤
I understand the TPAB Tupac stuff & Drake AI stuff comparison (even tho I think computer generating vs scrapbooking is already enough to differentiate them largely, artistically) I think the main difference - and what Kendricks whole point through all his songs are - he is a part of that culture. he was born in it, raised in it, and respected in it. even if it was not that great of an album, people in his community would have been fine w it, bc the culture respects Kendrick for what he represents. Kendrick's whole point, is that Drake represents the antithesis of hip-hop and the culture behind it.
I have a theory the Electrify them, Pacify them line was a reference to how Kendricks music is about the injustices seen by black Americans and how Kendricks music aims to uplift and electrify them into pressing for change where as Drakes is there to quash that.
58:15 He’s referencing the Taylor Made Freestyle: You better have a motherfuckin' quintuple entendre on that shit Some shit I don’t even understand, like That shit better be crazy, we waitin' on you Kendrick cleverly mixes up the two names on purpose so that when listening on a surface level, this line doesn’t make sense (because Haley Joel Osment and Joel Osteen are obviously two different people). In other words, this line is “Some shit I don’t even understand”, as requested by Drake. However, when the line is broken down, we can find at least 5 different interpretations for what Kendrick is saying (a.k.a, a quintuple entendre): 1. Kendrick not knowing if he’s battling Drake’s alleged ghostwriters or and A.I. generated song. 2. A reference to Christian pastor Joel Osteen with a play on the Christian Holy Ghost, and how he has famously been impersonated by AI 3. A reference to the two Haley Joel Osment movies, A.I. and The Sixth Sense, where the antagonists are literally A.I. and ghost 4. Deliberate confusion of the two names, which plays on the idea that Kendrick doesn’t know who he is battling. 5. A direct response to the last bar in Drake’s “Taylor Made Freestyle”, in which Drake request a quintuple entendre along with a line that he wouldn’t even understand
If this is true, then this is proof on why rappers should NOT be too technical (Looking at you Eminem). People are gonna be confused, and think the bar is trash because of the level of thinking you have to do to understand it. There's a limit to how clever a bar can be, while also trying to make it sound good.
This feels like when your buddy has been sick and didn't come to school for a week, then he wants to talk about the big fight that happened but the middle school news cycle has already moved on
Not like us not having shelf life? It’s copyright free, it’s a bop, and it’s shitting on Drake. It’s gonna last. You said the pedo allegations are gonna follow drake forever well this song is the anthem to that.
I agree that Kendricks confessional part on Euphoria is him saying "I'm owning up to whatever you're gonna say to me, but ur scared of the truth about you", but I don't think it's an 8-mile beating-him-to-the-punch type thing. I think it's him saying, as a principal, "I make confessions.i own up to my wrongs. I feel them, process them, learn from them, pay consequences, and pay my dues." that's why the allegations against Kendrick's assault don't hold the same weight. it's not bc that isn't a terrible thing to do, but we trust Kendrick more bc he paints himself as a flawed man, in a flawed society, who does terrible things, and does only what a man can do, and own your mistakes with effort effort to be a better man. Kendricks not trying to win in the "who did the least bad stuff" contest. he's pointing at a deeper problem within drake. that he's a man who doesn't own his decisions, bc his decisions are based on advancing, profiting, gaining social status, and feeding his ego. those decisions aren't tied to any real human core. he's pointing out that Drake is someone who nefariously adopts a culture when it helps him advance, but quickly understand the advantages of not actually being a part of that culture. so his compromise to himself, was to cosplay as someone who understands what it means to be part of that culture, and to prove it he'll travel the country, meeting people in the culture, and claim brotherhood by adopting their sounds, and styles and aesthetics. but behind the scenes, Kendrick is saying that Drake doesn't play that part. he knows that it benefits him to not actually be apart of that oppressed culture. Kendrick is saying that what Kendrick represents in culture is antithetical to everything he believes in and has been preaching. we don't know drake personally, but as a public figure that represents a huge portion of modern culture, he doesn't represent anything. and that's okay. but he's cosplaying as someone who does represent a culture. and he becomes what the average viewer defines as that culture. and that is what Kendrick is criticizing. he represents the system we're supposed to be against. when Kendrick went back to his home to drop Not Like Us, he brought full California sounds against drake. and his third verse about Atlanta says a lotttt, but a part of it was him saying "don't run to Atlanta to find a sound to clap back at. that's not your sound. you don't have a home sound like I do." you're not like us
Yesterday I watched a 2 hour long video on the decades long history of Tetris competition and today I watch a 2 hour long video about rap beef that lasted a month or so! Amazing!
I don't think there's anything wrong with the ending of TPAB. If anything it shows how the voices of important people can be used in art respectfully vs in a shallow and low-effort way (Taylor Made Freestyle). Plus, I'm pretty sure Kendrick didn't make Tupac say anything he didn't say in real life to the public. I guess as an artist if you want to decide if your inclusion of other artists that have passed would have been approved of by the individual; is your work in line with their values? Is it conceptually stimulating? Does it sound good? Things Mortal Man is, and Taylor Made Freestyle is not (to me, at least). I do understand the value of that track for Drake in provoking Kendrick, though. I just think Drake was mistaken thinking he could go bar for bar with an angered Kendrick Lamar.
Plus he got permission from Tupac's mother, which is not equal to getting it from Tupac of course, but it's the next best thing. Drake clearly didn't do that.
I know this might be a stretch but I haven't stopped thinking about it since someone pointed it out. A show came out in 2004 called Rocket Power and they often use the word shoobie to reference tourists who visit their city in Ocean Shores, California. This city is actually a real place on the west coast of Cali. In the first episode, the characters refer to the new white kid who moves there as a shoobie. So if this is what Kendrick was also referring to in Euphoria, he's basically calling Drake a tourist who doesn't belong.
also on the "cant be legit, no 40 water," B-Legit is E-40's cousin and also a rapper, they've got an album and alot of other songs together. Boy by them & P-lo is a slapppp
I think Kendrick heard family matters before he released euphoria. so many lines in this song are telling warning drake that if he releases he will end him.I think 6:16 in LA is confirmation of it. When he says he might do a show a day, it sounds like he will drop a song each day. When he says bring back puff, i think he is referring to the rumor that Puffy had tupac killed.
the great dark silence at 1:07:26 really gave me time to stare at my own reflection and consider all of the horrible inescapable things i'm distracting myself from with this rap beef. great video as always guys.
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riley i like purple
Get over here. 🔙💥💥💥 Not gonna read your texts 😎
get it? cause red and blue make purple
“She like ‘Riley I like purple’,
So I blue Graydon out and I left him on Brad
Get it? Like Dignan?”
@@lilfellavids+2
Lil Mabu is the real winner of this beef
finally two white boys from the midwest are talking about this 😩🙏
This is what the culture was needing! 🙏😫
Gaming
“Midwest white boys is what the culture feelin’” - Kendrick Lamar
HELL NO
You know something isnt legit hip hop till that happens..
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Fax we want those drums😂
@@pemp9606preach🙏🏼🗣️🗣️
Imagine diggy grinding to that shit 😳
@@lilfellavidsaccording to this graphic 95 percent of you aren’t picturing diggy edgemaxxing to this right now.
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Mother I Sober is also in part about generational black trauma, so the fact that Drake didn’t understand the song really furthered Kendrick’s point that he’s just stealing from the culture
Drake did a LOT to illustrate Kendrick's point that he isn't of the culture. Tupac AI. Putting Tupac's ring in the video. Mocking Kendrick for rapping like he's trying to get the slaves freed when he's actually talking about very real modern black issues which is a big part of what audiences appreciate about him. Telling Kendrick he isn't gang affiliated (as if he would know) and listing off a bunch of rappers who "actually bang a set" like a weirdo. Telling his mom Rick Ross is being "racist". Having his white mom say "maybe you shouldn't say" and leaning haaaard into the n-word which he says more in that song than any other song of his. "Ok we get it. The blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice. We know you like to put jin in your juice." Buying chains from hip hop figures and then displaying them like he snatched them. Dissing Pharrell in the first place, when he is one of the most universally loved people in hip hop and a total square. You don't beef with someone like Pharrell. You're just being a bully and the streets don't like bullies. Using his money to buy up hip hop memorabilia to take to Canada like a tourist (or colonizer). Smashing the GKMC van is even an example of him being out of touch with iconography that hip hop culture cares about. Flipping the Michael Jackson thing when the topic became about PDF files... Kendrick never used the MJ angle for that because Black folks (generally speaking) don't believe MJ did the things he was accused of. But Drake wouldn't know that, so... Thinking Kendrick's point is about him being biracial. And he goes on and on on and on and on....
@@erica_emblack people don’t believe the MJ accusations?
@joeljs9778 on average, nah. And if he did that was white Michael anyway. He a different person from young black Michael with the angel voice.
@joeljs9778 personally, I'm skeptical however if he is he's with his Maker and vengeance will be His. Posthumously, I'll just enjoy the 🎶
@@joeljs9778no we dont
Can’t wait for my two favorite white boys to break this down
Jake paul and logan paul are a different channel
can’t wait for my two favorite white boys to break it down
@@xarildri1302can't wait for my two favorite white boys to break it up
my exact thought when i saw this lmao
They're WHITE?!
Graydon: Makes a ridiculous statement
Riley: “yeah, maybe, i don’t think that’s true though”
Graydon: “Yeah me neither”
of course Drake's "D" line is next to his line about kids. Can't keep that thing away from minors even in his music.
It's crazy cause he literally gets called out in MTG for leaking it himself for pushing his agenda further of allegedly luring women, but then in FMP6 he boasts about it. Like, that was clearly not the flex he thought it was lol
@@Pyxyty Yeah, dude is weird. People keep giving him a pass, too. Just like Kanye. I don't care how 'good' of an artist someone is(I'm not a fan of Drake or Kanye) if they're creeping on underage girls, or being antisemitic and all the other shit kanye says, like, nah, they're done. Stop giving them support.
He's always trying to strike a chord, and it was A Minor
@@PyxytyFMP6?
@embermist3910 I feel your frustration 🫤...same here buddy
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Nah it's a diss it would be the full Zazumba-Zaffodil
Wouldn't it be the Zaffodils?
@@blunderbass851 He wouldn't need to, Dignan Zazumba-Zaffodil has done enough by himself, he doesn't need to mention anyone else.
@@blunderbass851the Zaxumbazaffodil family dropped the "zaffodil", have you even watched their videos a hundred times over?
personally my favorite part of this beef was when j cole was transphobic to kendrick, who is not trans
cringe transphobic apologizer (lame trans fella bar) VS based confident trans ally (creator of auntie diaries)
was actually so disappointed by j cole doing that, was so unneeded
Kendrick: "Yo, J. You don't want this smoke, bow out."
J. Cole: "You know what, fair enough. My bad."
What did he say?
Cole is only relevant if RDC drops a skit or if he makes another stunt every few years (trying to interview Lil Pump)
dignan i like purple
Get over here
Diggy is gonna blow your back out and leave you on Red
you know what he has to do now
@@raisinsmakemeuncomfortable6893 i get it, cus blue and red make purple
Then diggy blew on the fire and ate the red meat
cant believe kendrick revealed that riley is drakes 3rd child and he adopted dignan when he came back from the war
you been putting in pain on the youtube streets since like 2017, major respect 🫡
can't be, riley is like 30 years older than drake and dignan is 92
@@movinsloppyfr I’ve seen Dat in everyone’s comments since forever. My goat
"Always rapping like you tryna get the slaves freed" is when Drake lost. Absolutely out of touch with the roots of the genre, proves that Drake is not hiphop
Right? Calling people slaves, but not only that, actin like trying to free slaves is somehow a bad thing 😂
Also proves he learned nothing from the criticism he received for his "American slaves" line in "Slime You Out"
Nah you missed the point, he's right, Kendrick is a fake activist. He says pretty much nothing new but is a good enough lyricist to trick dumb people into thinking he's profound.
Not only is it offensive, but it's like...also a compliment? Like, that's a good thing to try and do, Drake! That's something people should want to hear!
Saying "they're probably gonna call me a pedophile" is such a self diss. You're called a pedophile so often that you just know it's gonna keep happening? Maybe reflect and realize why you are called that so often lol
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the tupac interview was previously unreleased and when it was shown to kendrick he got tupac's mother's blessing to use it on tpab
where did u see this? genuine question i want to read about it/watch it
Any use of someone's voice without their express permission is gravedigging. Family permission is better than no permission but at its core its the same thing. "Don't dig up the dead" should be the standard, not digging them up *respectfully*. Tupac serves an important role in the message of tpab so for the sake of art, gravedigging was what Kendrick decided was needed. Simple as that. No need to try to make it seem like a selfless act or anything. If someone finds it weird then its fine for them to feel that way.
@@wtolman You sound like sum1 that purposely takes something out of context in a poor attempt try to equal the playn field when comparing yourself in juxtaposition in relations to other ppls actions just to redirect the attention off of yourself when you do something wrong.
& im talking DIRECTLY to you...
Just remember to be careful of what you say bc it's a representation of
"YOUR CHARACTER" bc otherwise what u say can make a fool of you rather than that of what ur tryn 2 make of others. ☮& blessings, & have a happy & wonderful life, bc I am & wouldn't want anything less 4u 🙏✨😇💫💞.
@wtolman That is a difficult conversation to be had perhaps about virtue and dignity.
It's difficult to pinpoint the malice and inconsistencies or the narrative in the use of that interview.
Such that, at least to me, it creates a more intuitive rather than logical reason for not "grave digging."
Your intuition could entail that it's a selfish move, which is inherently obvious, though subjective. The injection of nuance may or may not shift the very group of people who intuitively agree to the selfishness in the first place. Additionally, to those that shift their perspective, there may be a morally valuable reason discovered through logic or careful thinking.
Let me present this example to describe what I'm alluding to: I create a song or my own legacy based around my feelings on a subject and go as far as creating art that immortalizes my efforts to what I'm standing for and encourage a generation of people to do the same and then one of the few I inspired goes to share that message I built for most of my life or contributed most of my energy and time building.
Where does the virtue fall in having their art echo my sentiments once I am deceased?
The sentiment was not original. in fact, it had the impact it did due to that unoriginality because that is what the person said in that recording echoed through his art...
I'm not saying anything Kendrick did was right, even with The heart part 5. I'm not saying it was wrong, either. I'm just trying to point out how tricky it can be judging the virtue in that situation.
I'm young and therefore yet to be influenced by a lot of experience through growing up so the statement I made is more a reflection of my state of mind, if you have a different point of view, enlighten me.
nvm drake's family, meet the grahams was so tough it ruined my relationship with my own parents
I'm pretty sure it ruined my relationship with my future kids
I can't even speak to my Uncle Dennis anymore 😭
@@exzyyd392yeah, I wanted to have kids but now I’m gonna have safe sex for the rest of my life. Gonna do what Dennis Graham should have done
@@fangal12 Shame on you Dennis
spill the tea
My favorite part was the long black screen at 1:07:30
Yeah what was that about lol
thank god yall saw it too i thought i was having a stroke
me 3
me 4
me 5
I love that Drake said he would never look at a teenager like that when he's also got an old lyric that goes "high school pic you was even bad then"... Like, the dude is so into teenagers he found a way to sexualize an adult woman as a teenager. I believe what Kendrick says about Drake because I also believe what Drake has said about Drake, and it sounds to me like they are saying the same thing: Drake is attracted to minors.
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lets hope its just one of his 30 writers being a creep 🤞💀💀
My interpretation of the "bring back puff" line has always been that Drake brought back Kendrick's biggest idol, Tupac, and Kendrick should bring back Puff Daddy (The Diddler) because drake does the same things that Diddy was exposed for and thus Puff is an inspiration to Drake. Idek thats just me
Doesn't that line have to do with Diddy allegedly slapping Drake in the face in 2014 and Chubbs not doing shit about it?
@@DynastyLuminous46 probly that too. He rlly had a quintuple entendre on that shit fr
i think it also means "do you want me to bring back the violence of puff's heyday" because diddy was deeply involved back when people were actually getting shot on the regular over rap beef.
There's also the rumors that Puff was behind 2pac's death. If Drake is gonna imitate Pac, someone might decide he should commit to the character a bit more. He also says something similar on Not Like Us.
@@VicDealio I think it might be out of character for Kendrick to explicitly link Pac's death to Drake's symbolic one, but he could still allude to just Diddy's violent role in the Pac and BIG beef
this beef was almost as good as the dolly parton-bruce springsteen beef of 2006, it simply lacked the violence and incarcerations.
wtf happened will Dolly Parton and Bruce Springstin
@@LiamKaplan-xe2ju you’re too young to know
Dolly’s track “Born to Run to ya Mama” Ethered that Fake Gangsta
@@lox7923born to run>
you're not wrong
did Drake listen to Duckworth though? cause Top DIDNT rob Kendrick's dad lol
I was just thinking about that, the whole point of the song is that he DIDN'T rob him, like that's the most important piece of the song lmaooooooo
it does say that he had robbed the place before though
@@kadenpj but never his dad
he clearly also didn't understand Mother I sober. he just isn't great at understanding songs
@@kadenpj "He stuck up the place before back in 84" right? they weren't in LA yet, they were in Chicago if I remember correctly. They moved to Compton when kendrick was born, 1987.
imagine the video is literally just Riley and Graydon breakdancing.
Okay I did
how did you predict thatttt
...to BBL Drizzy
Riley dressed as Drake and Graydon as Kendrick doing a breakdance battle is a must now
you’re never gonna believe this
This beef reminds me of that time Graydon had beef with OJ Simpson on April 10th. Safe to say THAT didn't end well!
Graydon is innocent the glove didn’t fit
let's hope kendrick doesn't do the same stuff as oj simpson too
holy fuck its mewze
@widget6011 Not on his hands, true. But we all know how it really happened, so…
Dignan got a weird case, why is he around?
CERTIFIED LOVER BOY, CERTIFIED PDF FILE
Its so weird how Drake acts like he ran up on Pharrell and snatched his chain when he bought it at an auction. Drake, you BOUGHT them, you dont get to act like you are hard because you bought some jewelry at an auction. Another fun fact about Air Drake, he doenst even own it, it s still owned and operated by CargoJet, he just entered a partnership deal with them for him to customize it and use it as a private jet for promotion. i also, mostly agree with you that the people saying "drake told on himself" are unfair. BUT the "Im too fanous to not get cuaght" shit is probably THE DUMBEST thing ive heard someone say ever.
yeah, that line is right up there with "You would be a worthy competitor if I was really a predator"
he also doesnt seem to see the awful optics of him hoarding these hiphop memorabilia and taking them out the US. some real colonizer ish right there
Not Like Us literally played at my high school's Prom like 4 days ago and everybody went goose mode
Not Like Us was checkmate tbh
What’s goose mode
Oh I really wish it existed when I was in highschool I hope y'all had a blast with that
@@mayagarcia-hector2732silly
That happened at my school too, and i have never heard so many white people say the n-word at the same time
Finally! I can have an opinion on the Drake and Kendrick beef! Thanks Dignan!
The Fantano Theorem
Kdot got the Pulitzer prize for music and now he's gone for the Pulitzer for journalism
"yo third shit was massive" i love coles music but that line kills me everytime
Cole undefeated when it comes to poop lines
@@DannyyschhCounterpoint:
Ice cream (Ice cream), scooping (Baow)
Shittin' (Shittin'), poopin'
Huh, shittin', huh, poopin' (Look, ayy)
@@Dannyyschh THINK THEY THE SHIT THEY AINT EVEN FARTED YET 🗣
i feel like the goat @@exzyyd392
@@Dannyyschhi let you feel like you the shit but boy you can’t outfart me 🗣️
It’s insane that Kendrick recorded 10 diss tracks at once and updated them depending on how Drake came back at him
I like to imagine it was all just one incredibly long song that he cut up into various tracks
kendrick on that choose your own adventure shit
@@gracejordan110 I saw an interview where someone close to Kdot said euphoria was originally 19 minutes long, and I for one would LOVE to listen to it.
@@derpenaz5895 I think we have listened to it.
not like us, euphoria, 6:16, meet the grahams is probably 1 song cut up and changed a bit.
@@m1lkbags I’m pretty sure what I saw was a DJ head interview (I could totally be wrong) but the claim was that he wrote all 10 songs in a single session, with the last one being “very personal” in comparison lol. Like was what we heard so far not personal holy shit? But when he did his first iteration of euphoria (his *not* personal response track) was originally 19 minutes and he cut most of it out.
Drake did not learn last time he mentioned wives, it never goes over well for him
drake is my name, rapping is my game
diss me diss me now you gotta kiss me
Kendrick Lamar? More like Kendrick Lame-ar
I see Paris I see France I see Kendricks underpants
K-Dot! More like K-Not!
Typo. You added an extra P.
It's worth noting that the Tupac family estate gave Kendrick permission to do the interview bit, and they filed a cease and desist with Drake. It's clear that one of them was more permissible than the other.
Kendrick even asked Tupac's mom if it was okay.
@DB1Dragoon And there’s a massive part of it. Respect. Kendrick made it very clear how he feels about Tupac and his legacy, both in his music and in his Pop Out concert.
Drake flashes Tupac’s ring every chance he gets, as if it means something. All it means is that he paid for what he considers a status symbol, something he’s hoping might give him some measure of credibility. Kendrick is genuinely angry at Drake using trying to use Tupac for clout. Buying that ring and using AI did not work the way Drake was hoping it would. It’s been about as effective as Kim K. buying Princess Diana’s jewelry and hoping her iconic status would somehow transfer to Kim via a purchase. Same mentality - owning a piece of history does not make you a part of it.
@@graciep.6984 facts
@@DB1Dragoonare you sure cause Tupac mom died in 2016.....Tupac sister and a record label is over his estate now
@@mooreflava tpab released in 2015...
I will never forget the infamous RAP beef between Dignan and Anthony Fantano’s roommate Cal Cuchesta.
Although Diggy’s diss track won the Grammy for best Hate Speech it was all settled once Cal pantsed Dignan during his acceptance speech exposing that he was wearing PB & J undies. Everyone pointed and laughed.
Truly one for the ages
sorry but its infuriating this is missed with rhe comparisons to taylor made and the interview kendrick did on tpab, is that kendrick asked and got permission from tupac's estate and family to do it while drake did it entirely distastefully without any consent or asking
Right
they also didn’t talk about The Riddler aka “EbonyPrince2k24” who has shown multiple pieces of evidence that they are in possession of everything from the meet the grahams cover art, and who’s very existence made drake and dj akademiks retract their statement claiming that the items were stolen out of a suitcase
@@SaltSpirits yea.. but ebonyprince2k24 dropped the ball by making too many weird posts.
obviously he has some evidence, he showed some. but his yapping made people turn off lol
I think the point is moreso about kendricks vanity and presumptuousness. even though it's a great aspect of the album it definitely does seem a bit self-absorbed to make something like that when you look at it from a distance. idk that drake is tapped in enough to really make that argument coherently though.
Regardless of if you get consent from the family, you can't get consent from the man himself. So to make him say stuff that he might not agree with after he's dead is weird regardless. Both are weird for that imo
i just love the image of a non hivemind fan watching this going “lol how’d you not know who daft punk is”
me watching this fr
please where did this bit start?? 😭
tbh I cannot tell when they're joking most of the time
Drake quite literally admits multiple times throughout the beef that Kendrick is a better rapper than him.
Which I would say is objectively true
Hes a better writer and yeah ofc drizzy would admit that doesnt mean drizzy is a bad writer plus he wipes kdot by numbers
@@Camothor10 "Not Like Us" has broken the alltime record for biggest single day streams for a solo hiphop song in Spotify history though
@@deceiver444 one song
@@Camothor10 it just shows that if Kdot was into making club like songs he can get the numbers but he been more known for his lyrics and deeper message. Kendrick can play on drakes field of music but Drake can’t play on Kendrick’s
“You cheesin fam” is the sole highlight.
It's weird hearing Graydon say he's sick to his stomach LMAO. I really expected him to say that he wanted like a terrorist attack to come out of this.
Wow almost like you don't know these people in real life! I did NOT commit arson in New Mexico the night Pac died
that's why they had Graydon on, not Dignan. Dignan would have said something like that
@@jurgnobs1308graydons from the bottom really like that
E-40 and his cousin B-Legit were in a rap group called The Click which makes that bar even crazier.
I was surprised they didn’t know that
I think a lot of people have overlooked how serious Kendrick took 6:16 in that first verse. He talked about how he believed he was going into a war that he needed God's support for. I truly think he knows something and this was him trying to expose it to the masses, and I think drake knows if Kendrick knows more then he will definitely reveal it
“Kendrick has disliked this guy for a long time, and when he realised there was a greater purpose to it, he did it.” - that’s it 🔥
am i crazy? Kendrick clearly says "Hale". You can call it awkward or forced, but it's obviously a deliberate choice to mix the names.
Especially considering the line comes immediately after talking about "not knowing what God's considering" which could easily be about that AI sermon preach. Absolutely
I Really doubt that with all the sixth sense references between Euphoria and Not Like Us, Kendrick wouldn't know the name of the main actor. Definitely intentional
i agree, intentional but kind of a flop line
The Osteen part is about drake "lied about your religious views"
“Best work is a light pack” Daylyte allegedly wrote “God Plans” for Drake.
And Back To Back
its crazy how they said at least he got duckworth right when he actually got that one wrong too
kendrick deadass had me staying up till 4 am for a week straight
Go outside
@@RealBrizz u want me to go outside at 4 am? i think you mean go to bed and i was trying but the anticipation of kendrick dropping another diss/drakes response kept me up
1:07:30 Hivemind black screen checkpoint, make sure to hydrate
Drake was lucky that Kendrick dropped Euphoria and Riley didn’t have to step in
riley is unfortunately wrong about not like us not having longevity i see that being the song of the summer
I was looking for this comment, they dont understand the chokehold that certified loverboy/ a minor bar has on everyone even now at least in my circles
update: you were very much correct
My rural farmer dad dropped the certified pedophile line the other day. I didn't even know he was tapped into mainstream culture like that.
Riley interpreted both sides really well and I appreciate that.
The way I phrased it was "Meet the Grahams felt like it was steeped in 1800's gothic writing mixed with psychological horror from modern times". It was malicious, made to dig deep, like cutting someone with a rusty bread knife. Genuinely felt cold in my soul
J. Cole somewhere in Spain sippin on some juice and watching the sunset rn
somewhere a hivemind viewer in Philly is rolling their eyes at the 1 gorillianth peaceful J Cole joke they've read today
@@kamphychair i hope so
@@j4yexe it's me
@@kamphychair gorillianth
@@kamphychairnow kith
You guys should try guessing the rapper from the weird lyric but its just dignans felony list.
I know it's a meme that Kendrick is writing quadruple entendres, but some of the bars legitimately are that deep.
6 :16 in LA starts with "Off-white Sunseeker at the marina."
1. It's a kind of yacht.
2. Drake is a deadbeat dad (son seeker).
3. It's a reference to the story of Icarus.
4. It's a possible allusion to Lil Yachty and Daylyt, two of Drake's ghostwriters.
Meanwhile Drake is spitting "You're short, lol"
Also:
Drake is biracial but isn't a part of Black culture (he's off-white)
Drake is a sunseeker because he's trying to co-opt Black culture, aka trying to appear Blacker whether that be appearance wise or mannerisms
idk i might be reaching but it does work
6:16 is my favorite track from the beef because every line in that 1st verse is packed with meaning - love the Raphael bar as well. I also love how whenever he mentions God, the synths come in. Elevates the track so much and shows how much thought goes into his songwriting.
My favorite self-snitching line of the whole beef is Drake saying the beef was good exercise, "good to get the pen working." 😆😆😆
Another thing I haven't seen anyone mention about the beef is that Kendrick dropped Euphoria on a Tuesday and Drake was on the song Tuesday by ILOVEMAKONNEN, who signed to OVO, and then practically disappeared because of mismanagement.
Side note, I feel bad for Ko, because after Tuesday, the only other song he was on that got big was Lil Peep's I've Been Waiting, featuring Ko and Fall Out Boy, and that collaboration only even happened because Peep blew up in popularity after he died, and Peep and Ko were really close. Falling Down, the Lil Peep ft XXXTentacion song that got super popular was originally a duet between Peep and Ko about their relationship, called Sunlight On Your Skin. The chorus literally even has Peep address Ko by name (Ko, let's watch the rain as it's falling down), and yet, the version that got popular was the double-posthumous bullshit the label put out with X to capitalize on their deaths.
Sorry to ramble, I just wish things could've gone better for Ko, and for Peep. RIP Gus
Damn that Ak line is crazy, especially now that he has been sued for defamation and sexual assault.
Wow I hadn’t heard anything about this until this comment, thank you
When y’all realize what kdot did with that “Joe-Hale Osteen” bar you will crap your britches. There is a reason he pronounced the word “HALE” in the middle of Joel Osteens name. He’s combining two names for a bar that has several different meanings. Listen to the pronunciation, hear the explanations, then come back to us. Y’all are doing yourself a disservice by just writing that line off as a mistake. Kdot makes plenty of mistakes, he’s human. That bar wasn’t one of them.
was just about to come and say this lmao
@@cgant-pe3yl my man!
i think the “friendly fade” line is a preface to “what is it the braids” as a fade can kinda be worn by any race but braids are specifically part of black culture
I like this theory!
1:20:50 but he didnt even do that. duckworth is about how ducky (kendrick's dad) gave extra chicken and treated ant (top dawg) nice, thus AVOIDING getting robbed. its just like his slip up in referencing mother i sober. somehow he got the exact opposite of what happened lol
I do think Kendrick’s line in Not Like Us about Atlanta is even more damning when you realize he just did it to 4batz, co-signing him & taking his style. Then signing to OVO for one album deal that released the friday Kendrick dropped. Even 4batz posted something along the lines of “i just dropped, i can’t even get 24 hours @KendrickLamar” which he deleted, probably from an OVO exec.
Very interesting that Drignance has yet to respond to Drake's claims. Such drama! Such thespionage! Oh dearie!
Oh me oh my
1:20:14 NOOOO YOU GUYS DRAKE DID NOT GET DUCKWORTH!!!
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Drake says Dot's dad got robbed by Top but the end of Ducky is where Kendrick describes how Top chose not to rob the store and kill Kendrick's dad because of him being a nice guy. It's another instance where one of Drake's ghostwriters that listened to Kendrick before they started writing for Drake thinks they kinda remember what that was about but Drizzy's got a no Kendrick policy on the aux or sum in there
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“They robbed the manager and shot a customer last year” so if he was working there the previous year it still works
favorite part of the "metro shut your ass up and make some drums" bit is that he DID. bbl drizzy (specifically choosing not to copyright it) is such a funny response to that line, as its essentially crowd sourcing a diss. first with the freestyles, but also just because with no heavy lyrics and a super catchy beat, it's debataly most accessible song to come out of this beef.
it's trending on tiktok more than any of the other songs. i saw someone make a POTTERY drake diss/edit with it. It's literally getting used in the background of like, knitting videos. it's reached mom tiktok. I think some of these people don't get the context, and that in and of itself has made it so much more pervasive. you literally have complete internet randoms dissing drake, sometimes unknowingly. one of the most underrated moves in this whole thing imo
Well I thought this was a new viewer friendly video and then there was the Pulitzer Prize for Fucking.
I genuinely think that drakes “red button” was family matters and the allegations he levied was his nuke, but he didn’t expect Kendrick to suck the air out of the diss. Plus I also think that Kendrick heard family matters way before it was released and started writing meet the grahams where it got super serious.
i think this beef taught us a very valuable lesson, you can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friends noses 🤣 !!
J cole type bar 🔥🔥
if you turn to page 616 in Stephen King’s Pet Sematary what do you see… DIGNAN’S PICTURE #nostoneunturned #drakenan
Why aren’t you picturing diggy grinding 🤔
Would have loved to hear more about the extracurriculars in this beef like other rappers diss tracks and the shooting outside of Drake's mansion! Really good takes all around, Riley really did paint a tapestry of words in my brain that awoke the revolutionary sleeper agent within. Thanks.
I am a vintage clothing nerd so I have some information on the Tommy Hilfiger is a racist rumor. It stems from an alleged interview and email chain between Tommy Hilfiger and Oprah Winfrey in 1999. The rumor goes that Tommy claimed his clothes were for the white upperclass, and if he knew black people would wear them, he wouldn’t have made the clothes so nice. The thing is, this has never been verified. In fact, Oprah said she hadn’t even met or spoken to Tommy Hilfiger at that time. In 2007, Tommy did make an appearance on Oprah’s show where they discussed the rumors. It was explained that no one has been able to figure out where these rumors came from.
In my opinion, the reason Tommy took a big hit in the 2000s was over branding, over saturation, and poor quality control. It just became uncool to have a giant Hilfiger flag on your jacket because that logo was everywhere. By 2014, vintage streetwear made a huge comeback and Tommy was able to cash in once more by rereleasing every slightly cool Tommy piece from the 80s and 90s. This ruined the appeal of the brand once more with an abundance of the same over branded product. Now no one really wants Tommy gear. Not the new stuff or the old stuff.
I think Drake referencing “Mother I Sober” was his attempt at going as dark as Kendrick did on Meet the Grahams and just not having the awareness (or ability) of why it worked so well when Kendrick did it
Only difference between Drake’s AI and Kendrick’s 2 Pac interview is Kendrick got permission from Tupacs estate
Obsessed with graydon saying “albethem” instead of “albeit” as if it changes depending on plurality
this is DIGNAN. do not misname my king
Didn't expect you two to condemn Drake and Kendrick and side with Yuno Miles! I did not commit manslaughter against 3 pregnant women in Tulsa, Oklahoma in 1999. Banger video as always.
This would have been the perfect opportunity to have TMG on the show and have Noel give his rundown. Idk what cody would do tho lol, probably just sit in the back like a lil puppy dog
so glad you guys did this video! euphoria randomly popped into my youtube recommendations and the way I looped it like I've never looped a song before. I'd never properly checked out Kendrick but I'm obsessed with that man's voice rn. Drake makes some radio bops that I've heard before obviously but I haven't been interested enough to check out his disses/retorts.
euphoria and Not Like Us are going to be songs I listen to a lot, but listening to meet the grahams feels like I'm helping power up a curse for Drake's bloodline or smth though 😂
so appreciate the deep dive you both did and the context added. love the hivemind channel ❤
Maybe the real beef was the drakes we kendricked along the way
"I don't think Not Like Us has a long shelf life" is currently not aging too well 😂😂😂
Me personally I think Yuno miles won this beef easily he broke them down syllable by syllable what a legend
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Kendrick Lamar Drake Kendrick Lamar Drake Drake Kendrick Lamar Drake! 🗣️
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Meet The Grahams is a play on Meet The Browns, a TV show produced for and by (FUBU) black people.
I understand the TPAB Tupac stuff & Drake AI stuff comparison (even tho I think computer generating vs scrapbooking is already enough to differentiate them largely, artistically) I think the main difference - and what Kendricks whole point through all his songs are - he is a part of that culture. he was born in it, raised in it, and respected in it. even if it was not that great of an album, people in his community would have been fine w it, bc the culture respects Kendrick for what he represents. Kendrick's whole point, is that Drake represents the antithesis of hip-hop and the culture behind it.
I have a theory the Electrify them, Pacify them line was a reference to how Kendricks music is about the injustices seen by black Americans and how Kendricks music aims to uplift and electrify them into pressing for change where as Drakes is there to quash that.
Yep!! If you decided to go further with this thought, I would support you!
1:07:27 WHAT WAS THAT i know there’s lore-building going on but that one made me really reflect on myself
some of us really are refining uranium in puerto rico and no one nose
58:15 He’s referencing the Taylor Made Freestyle:
You better have a motherfuckin' quintuple entendre on that shit
Some shit I don’t even understand, like
That shit better be crazy, we waitin' on you
Kendrick cleverly mixes up the two names on purpose so that when listening on a surface level, this line doesn’t make sense (because Haley Joel Osment and Joel Osteen are obviously two different people). In other words, this line is “Some shit I don’t even understand”, as requested by Drake.
However, when the line is broken down, we can find at least 5 different interpretations for what Kendrick is saying (a.k.a, a quintuple entendre):
1. Kendrick not knowing if he’s battling Drake’s alleged ghostwriters or and A.I. generated song.
2. A reference to Christian pastor Joel Osteen with a play on the Christian Holy Ghost, and how he has famously been impersonated by AI
3. A reference to the two Haley Joel Osment movies, A.I. and The Sixth Sense, where the antagonists are literally A.I. and ghost
4. Deliberate confusion of the two names, which plays on the idea that Kendrick doesn’t know who he is battling.
5. A direct response to the last bar in Drake’s “Taylor Made Freestyle”, in which Drake request a quintuple entendre along with a line that he wouldn’t even understand
i think he just messed up
@@joepbijlholt3315ong they be reaching on insane levels damn 😭
If this is true, then this is proof on why rappers should NOT be too technical (Looking at you Eminem). People are gonna be confused, and think the bar is trash because of the level of thinking you have to do to understand it. There's a limit to how clever a bar can be, while also trying to make it sound good.
I love Kendrick to death and still no one can convince me he didn't just mess up here
This feels like when your buddy has been sick and didn't come to school for a week, then he wants to talk about the big fight that happened but the middle school news cycle has already moved on
Not like us not having shelf life? It’s copyright free, it’s a bop, and it’s shitting on Drake. It’s gonna last.
You said the pedo allegations are gonna follow drake forever well this song is the anthem to that.
Not to mention its so cleverly written. Truly a hit.
I agree that Kendricks confessional part on Euphoria is him saying "I'm owning up to whatever you're gonna say to me, but ur scared of the truth about you", but I don't think it's an 8-mile beating-him-to-the-punch type thing. I think it's him saying, as a principal, "I make confessions.i own up to my wrongs. I feel them, process them, learn from them, pay consequences, and pay my dues." that's why the allegations against Kendrick's assault don't hold the same weight. it's not bc that isn't a terrible thing to do, but we trust Kendrick more bc he paints himself as a flawed man, in a flawed society, who does terrible things, and does only what a man can do, and own your mistakes with effort effort to be a better man. Kendricks not trying to win in the "who did the least bad stuff" contest. he's pointing at a deeper problem within drake. that he's a man who doesn't own his decisions, bc his decisions are based on advancing, profiting, gaining social status, and feeding his ego. those decisions aren't tied to any real human core. he's pointing out that Drake is someone who nefariously adopts a culture when it helps him advance, but quickly understand the advantages of not actually being a part of that culture. so his compromise to himself, was to cosplay as someone who understands what it means to be part of that culture, and to prove it he'll travel the country, meeting people in the culture, and claim brotherhood by adopting their sounds, and styles and aesthetics. but behind the scenes, Kendrick is saying that Drake doesn't play that part. he knows that it benefits him to not actually be apart of that oppressed culture. Kendrick is saying that what Kendrick represents in culture is antithetical to everything he believes in and has been preaching. we don't know drake personally, but as a public figure that represents a huge portion of modern culture, he doesn't represent anything. and that's okay. but he's cosplaying as someone who does represent a culture. and he becomes what the average viewer defines as that culture. and that is what Kendrick is criticizing. he represents the system we're supposed to be against. when Kendrick went back to his home to drop Not Like Us, he brought full California sounds against drake. and his third verse about Atlanta says a lotttt, but a part of it was him saying "don't run to Atlanta to find a sound to clap back at. that's not your sound. you don't have a home sound like I do." you're not like us
Sad you guys didn’t do an in-depth analysis of BBL Drizzy
YUNO MILES GOT YOU WIPED DOWN
Yesterday I watched a 2 hour long video on the decades long history of Tetris competition and today I watch a 2 hour long video about rap beef that lasted a month or so! Amazing!
Saaame lol
I don't think there's anything wrong with the ending of TPAB. If anything it shows how the voices of important people can be used in art respectfully vs in a shallow and low-effort way (Taylor Made Freestyle). Plus, I'm pretty sure Kendrick didn't make Tupac say anything he didn't say in real life to the public. I guess as an artist if you want to decide if your inclusion of other artists that have passed would have been approved of by the individual; is your work in line with their values? Is it conceptually stimulating? Does it sound good? Things Mortal Man is, and Taylor Made Freestyle is not (to me, at least). I do understand the value of that track for Drake in provoking Kendrick, though. I just think Drake was mistaken thinking he could go bar for bar with an angered Kendrick Lamar.
Plus he got permission from Tupac's mother, which is not equal to getting it from Tupac of course, but it's the next best thing. Drake clearly didn't do that.
I know this might be a stretch but I haven't stopped thinking about it since someone pointed it out. A show came out in 2004 called Rocket Power and they often use the word shoobie to reference tourists who visit their city in Ocean Shores, California. This city is actually a real place on the west coast of Cali. In the first episode, the characters refer to the new white kid who moves there as a shoobie. So if this is what Kendrick was also referring to in Euphoria, he's basically calling Drake a tourist who doesn't belong.
Not a stretch at all… go back and listen to King’s Dead (Kendrick, Future, and Jay Rock)
Fun fact: that third member who was in daft punk is currently the lead guitarist of Phoenix
when do they kiss can anyone send a timetamp
also on the "cant be legit, no 40 water," B-Legit is E-40's cousin and also a rapper, they've got an album and alot of other songs together. Boy by them & P-lo is a slapppp
I think Kendrick heard family matters before he released euphoria. so many lines in this song are telling warning drake that if he releases he will end him.I think 6:16 in LA is confirmation of it. When he says he might do a show a day, it sounds like he will drop a song each day. When he says bring back puff, i think he is referring to the rumor that Puffy had tupac killed.
the great dark silence at 1:07:26 really gave me time to stare at my own reflection and consider all of the horrible inescapable things i'm distracting myself from with this rap beef. great video as always guys.
Why do Riley’s hands look like that I’m so scared
Scooby Doo villain aah hands
Murderin’ hands
theyre just hands how are they supposed to look? weirdo
How much Benadryl did u take