To everyone watching this. Getting dumped on an airspace, or being behind happens! There is NO rush. Just say "ok, I'm a little behind the airplane, I'm going to do a left/right 360 here to get setup". Also thank you for sharing this, it helps others learn
@@WolfPilot No DPE would fault you for that, especially not on Private Pilot. You are expected to be the pilot in command, and if you say you're not ready, you're not ready. That wouldn't be a failure or even a debrief item. On that point, you are the pilot in command even on your checkride when you're just acting. All the DPE is doing is observing, and giving you instructions like you're his chauffeur. It's up to you to decide to travel the speed limit and obey all traffic lights and decide if a lane change is safe to start at the time the passenger asks you to start it.
The brutal honesty of your lessons learned video is a nice way to teach the lesson to us viewers. I'm close to my check-ride and I'll be taking your advice on having your personal mins on paper from now on. Thanks for posting.
I'm glad you shared this with everyone! I just started online ground school, so I'm nowhere near a check ride, but I will remember your story... You have saved a lot of people from having the same heartache. Thank you!
Much respect for posting this. It takes a brave soul to shine a light on their own failures. This will definitely help new pilots traveling down the same road.
Hey I want to thank you SO much for posting this video. It was one of a gazillion I watched before my Checkride and it really stuck out to me because it gave me peace that if I had a bad day and failed I’d be able to get back on the horse and complete the journey just like you did. You’re the kind of pilot who will keep getting better and better over the years because you’re honest with others and more importantly yourself. I’m proud to say that I passed my exam and am now living the dream. Just took my family out to Stevenville from Denton for some Hard 8 BBQ. Always a classic cross country for DFW folks. Anyway, thanks again and I hope to run into you at some point at one of the area meetups. Blue skies!
Thanks for the great supportive comment. You are right, The more I fly, the tighter my game gets. I refuse to become complacent. I love to train, train, train. Instrument is coming up quick. I ALWAYS try to learn from my mistakes.. Although, you should watch my Getting Bryan Turner video.. See if you can figure out which pooch I screwed...Almost...again.... I would love to meet you! I am a HUGE Airplanes and Coffee supporter and make every fly-in, even if I drive. Look for 8344T
You'll get this! BTW, my jaw did drop when you said you hadn't flown your checkride airplane. Your CFI should have guided you against doing that. For the 6 weeks preceding my checkride, I chose the plane I was going to checkride in and only booked it from then on.
LoL Dan, He actually set this up! I wanted to fly N190ME (My normal airplane). Now full disclosure, both aircraft are C172SP's with G1000. Both are about the same vintage (2004 I think). The huge difference is that Jeff Wallach closely guards 190ME as his airplane and keeps it out of the hands of renters and students that are not his. To that end, it is not nearly as beat up as some of the other aircraft at Monarch. In fact, in a short time, it will be going in for a new engine. Jeff is a Chief Instructor, soooooo he can throw a little weight around.
Nah... I disagree 1K %. YOUR check ride IS YOUR CHECK-RIDE! Period. When YOU ARE PAYING WITH YOUR MONEY - No one with a title (except DPE or FAA) should ever, EVER, shit you like that. I don’t care if he the Chief Pilot - that’s BS ! Chief pilots are a dime a dozen ! Here today, gone tmrw.... I’m pissed off for you and I don’t even know you except from you video. That’s just wrong dude. Your CFI should have stepped in and resolved this for you. So 🤬 on him too. So many student pilots are screwed (behind the scenes) with this kind of behavior. Some penny pinch us, like charging a .5 hr. for “preprep” instruction time to a . 75 for “debrief” time when all’s they do is blah,blah,blah until there next student arrives. Sorry this went down this way. Don’t kick yourself - EVERYTHING worked against you this time. Start fresh and earlier in the day. It will make you a better pilot! Learn from this and keep spreading the word to other students.... Scott
It takes a lot of guts to post a video like this; I commend you for making this so that others may learn. FWIW: when I get behind the airplane and close to controlled airspace, I will execute a 360° turn to give myself some time to get organized, make radio calls, etc. If you do this on a check ride be sure to tell the examiner you recognize the situation and the turn is your corrective action to remedy the situation - the DPE will like that.
Thanks for this video! I applaud your courage to share, and thank you for sharing! My checkride is coming up in the next few weeks, and I will take your advice to heart!
I blew my first attempt as well, one bad day is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Keep pushing forward, if it was easy-everyone would do it. Focus on the way your going to feel when you pass; you’re trying to do something rare and special.
I really appreciate the authenticity in your sharing this. I have a checkride coming up. I make mistakes too. I'm really glad that you shared your experience some that I can learn from it and do better in my checkride and do better in my future aviating. Thanks man!
Thank you so much for sharing your story! Great humor/attitude and much respect to you for sharing. Just started my training and it's great to hear your story (as well as many commenters). Considering buying a plane to train in for the $ reasons and familiarity for the check ride. You helped confirm that familiarity with the plane for the check ride has value. Thanks!
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! I think that being humble will make me a better pilot. I do know all my instructors love my attitude! Keep the blue side up!
This story gave me actual anxiety. 😂 I’ll take not to never try my check ride in the midst of the summer, sounds miserable! But I’m so glad you shared your story about this. It’s super helpful to a lot of people. I can’t wait to hear about your next check ride.
9/6/79, at Addison, after my oral and a planned cross-country, we got in the Cessna152, N24890 was one of my two I rented. Wouldn’t start. Had to go get the battery cart, but the cowling didn’t have the plug. Very windy out, but got the cowling off and set behind the left main gear. Got charged and cranked. Warming it up a bit. Then, the strong, quartering tailwind blew the cowling up and over the gear, and right into the prop. Yeah! Thanks to plane number 2, I did get a good checkride and got my license.
CLEAR PROP! I’m cracking up. But not for your experience. I can’t imagine all that going on during a checkride. Your explanation was honest and fun. I’m working on my checkride experience video for a year now. Looking forward to your next video. Subbed.
Thanks for the comment! Get to editing! I am getting a little behind. I am working on my new intro, then I can splice together some airplane maintence at my uncles hanger and my tailwheel lessons....
Man, I know that heartbreak all too well. Even on an ideal day, you’re fatigued from a 2 hour oral, and your heart is pounding with the examiner sitting across from you. But don’t let this phase you brother. Adversity and failure will always make us better pilots as long as we don’t quit. Keep pressing on, looking forward to seeing your wings post. Hang in there.
It takes a lot to tell about situations like this. I was stressed out for you man. Thanks for sharing and good luck if you haven't already got your ticket.
I did turns around a point in super gusty winds. It's hard and I was grunting. I kept my wing on that point. My turns where Text book. I then did steep turns and looked at my site picture and instrument scan and found grunting helped me keep my altitude as I had to pull up to keep it. Grunting helped. Forget getting the perfect trim. You just feel the plane. I am a student pilot that is almost ready for checkride. Need a few more hours.
I know this is a really old post but I have to respond. Back in the 80's, I had an almost Identical experience on my check ride. We had spent all morning on the oral and by the time we were ready for the flying, the wind was similar to what you described. The Examiner offered to let me do the flight the following day, but like you I had a case of " get there idis". After we were air born and on a down wind departure I couldn't hold altitude or heading within limits. Fortunately the Examiners took pity on me and offered one more time to postpone the flight. I didn't hesitate and accepted. A few days later I passed the flight part and realized it would have been near impossible for any pilot to have kept the plane within acceptable limits in those conditions.
I know the heart break. I failed my first stage check in college. The words “Turn it around” ripped my heart out, because I was so excited and overly confident. Sometimes you just have to laugh at yourself. Getting a phone number on a checkride, is just one of those times. Haha Best of luck - safe flying.
Damn WolfPilot. Sorry you had to experience that. We have good days and we have bad days. We live and we learn. Glad to see you still in good spirits. Appreciate you for sharing your experience! Best of luck to you and hopefully you nailed it on the next go around 💯
Obviously, this is ancient history now. When the examiner said, "Do you want to discontinue" it was probably the examiner trying to give you a hint. I've noticed examiners can sometimes give subtle hints that are in your best interest when flying. I've obviously seen your flying videos since, and you're a competent pilot. I would fly with you any time.
Makes sense. When I'm overheated I don't think as well either. I'll make sure I do my checkride on a cool day. Freezing can be the same on a motorcycle. If you are freezing and riding you are paying more attention to being cold than you are riding.
Appreciate this video! I’m looking into becoming a pilot as well and this seems like something that I would very much likely do and will be keeping this story in my mind as I train!
Reminds me of a CAP pilot I flew with. I haven't flown in over 11+ years since that flight. I am now just getting back into aviation and hope to go up soon!
@@WolfPilot Yes I am starting my PPL trail while starting an air ambulance service with fixed, rotor and ground transport. I want my PPL for business travel.
Like others have said, I appreciate the honest assessment. It would have been far easier to keep quiet or minimize the experience. As someone who is starting to prepare for my check ride your video is helpful and gives me things to stay mindful of, especially pushing my minimums in an attempt to try to squeak by.
Always remember this-- You can always discontinue after the oral portion if the weather doesn't match with your minimums or even if you are fatigued. It won't cost you more money to the DPE to fly another day.
I’m a bit confused, did you enter the Delta without two-way radio communication? Or did they give you a PPD just for not contacting them 10 miles away? I don’t think they can give you a pilot deviation if you didn’t break their airspace rules or disobey their commands.
I didn't actually enter the Delta. My DPE was watching the MFD and we got within .5 miles of it without calling the tower and they don't like that. They didn't actually deviate me.. Remember, it's always a "possible" pilot deviation.
Ahhh I see. I guess I understand them giving you a phone number. Although it does depend on the controller. If they tried to give you an actual deviation though, I would have fought that all day lol.
LOL! I have a way of creating mental images. I want my viewers to feel like they were in the backseat along for the ride. Thanks for the awesome comment and for tuning in!
Not many people get a PPD on their checkride. Glad you didn't bust their airspace, or that conversation with the FSDO would have been a lot more uncomfortable. Also glad you passed the second time around.
I am getting close to my check ride so thanks for posting this! Even on the ground Ive had some crazy ground issues at my busy Class D (dual runways, helicopters, medical planes priority , jets lining up in front & behind, being number 9 for takeoff, etc..) always hoping doesn’t happen on checkride....
Hey! You are so welcome! All your experiences sound just like mine at KADS. Thank almighty god that I got the lions share of my trining done at KTKI before my school had to pull back to KADS. #7 in sequence was not unusual during peak times.
No sweat man! (pun intended). I failed my first PPL checkride back in the day for stupid reasons. It happens. It's actually a good lesson that you will constantly face throughout all your flying...and that is when to decide that today is not a good day to fly. Your f'ups were simply a ripple effect from that one link on the chain. Lesson learned. Move forward.
I have adopted the mentality that as you build more time, your ability and confidence increase. I do things now that I would have never considered as a student.
Wow; I just wish you the best. I'm getting ready to schedule my check ride and the 172 I've been flying is down for a fuel gauge issue (part on order). I hesitate to move forward in a different plane.
So you didn’t actually ever enter the Delta airspace? I’m surprised the Tower was so hard on you. I almost busted my first check ride. I kept forgetting to do my clearing turns. I didn’t sleep the night before and I was so frazzled and nervous. I was just not in a good headspace. I almost blew it but I scraped by. Between the heat and winds you probably should have done the flying portion another day but live and learn. I’m sure you did fine your second attempt. Great video!
@@WolfPilot so, why did the tower give you a number to call for pilot deviation if you never even entered the airspace?? That’s like giving you a ticket for “almost” speeding. Glad the second one went better!
@@smflyboy no no no.. Remember, it's a "possible" pilot deviation. My DPE was in the right seat. No paperwork was filed, he just wanted to talk to me. Also, he had 3 other pilots that did in fact actually deviate so his fuse was a little short that afternoon.
Yes I meant to include "possible" but my ipad doesn't let me edit comments after I submit them lol. Ok I understand now. The controller was just a bit hyper-sensitive by the time you got there haha. Thanks for the replies!
People think it's a joke when I tell them waiting in sequence for departure for up to 30 minutes at KADS is not unusual. Btw I'm pretty sure you didn't commit any deviation, you don't have to contact the tower at a specified distance, it's only recommended - the only way that would be a deviation is if you went into their airspace without establishing comms. Edit: after listening to the ATC, it seems you did bust their airspace. It sucks but as long as you learn from it, I think you'll be fine.
Actually no I didn't. That voice you heard after me was my DPE Chris. He was watching the G1000 and had me turn away 1/2 statute mile before entering the KTKI Delta. ATC was just pissed because they didn't know I was coming. In my training, I *ALWAYS* would call them around 10 miles out and let them know what I wanted to do..
@@WolfPilot ah gotcha, yea I saw later in the video you explained the g1000 situation. I personally really enjoy the controllers at KTKI, but I've heard from others that if you do something a little out of the ordinary they really get after you. That, and I've also heard it on freq a couple of times lol were you able to end up retesting?
Flying a strange Airplane for the Checkride is a setup for failure. The weather was also not ideal. A good CFI ensures these things work in your favor. My CFI did everything he could to ensure I was comfortable on the day of my checkride as he should. I passed on the first try. Sorry you were not bolstered the correct way. Hope you have obtained your certificate by now.
Hey thanks for checking out my video. I think the video after this one is the graduation video. I think my instructors rationale was that all the planes in the school fleet are 172SP's with G1000. It not like I trained in a piper then check rode in a cessna. It was still just different enought
Thank you for sharing this! I practiced my last soft field/short field landings/takeoffs at KOFP (VA, elv ‘207) with a 12 knot xwind gusting 18 for 1.6 in our traffic pattern…was that out of my personal mins YES would I have done that on my check ride NO but you better believe after that practice I grease those landings on a clear day like they are nothing haha! Sometimes a crazy day helps you…but unfortunately not on a checkride :( I am redoing my checkride this week because everything was good except my LEFT steepturn I busted my altitude and failed to use any rudder on the turn. Here’s to you man!
Hey Ryan, Thanks for checking out my checkride video. Now that I am post checkride, I actively seek out challanges like that.. Crosswinds are no problem.. I can always go around! Good luck on your super short check ride!
Hey! Comm multi rated here....pretty sure we went to the same flight school, I’m open to any questions ya might have 🤙. Don’t worry bro about a bad flight...it happens, and as an edit being PIC and calling off a flight can sometimes be the biggest call of the flight...takeoffs are optional, landings are mandatory. Never be afraid to make the best choice in your head
There is a bust and there is a bust. I was predicting dehydration before you even mentioned it, behind the plane, not a good spot for a checkride. Good on checkride for keeping you out of Delta, if they wanted they could have probably just let you fly through it, it's your checkride after all? I was in another profession, I'd just say, listen, I need a minute to get sorted here, and then pick a quiet direction / slow speed etc whatever and sort things out.
Damn some people have confidence! Flying an airplane you've never flown before in 25 knot gusts... I'm not sure how that checkride was supposed to go, were you going to do precision short-field landings with approach speed of 55 knots with crosswind gusting to 24 knots?.. My own checkride failure was pretty spectacular, but I have to admit this story is something else.
It was a form of gethereitis. I wanted to get it done. Part of this folly was my own personality as a git-er-done kinda guy. It was a good life lesson to have that failure. I now have those minimums defined on paper. At the time I thought it was a good idea.
@@WolfPilot well in all honesty unless you plan on flying professionally and need a clean checkride record - there is no difference between a discontinuance and a failure. You have to come back and finish the ACS items anyway, so probably makes sense to take the risk and try to get done as much as possible.
@@WolfPilot The hardest part about going through with Pilot training is amounts like you spent and not seeing any return on investment. I cant get over that hump. Thank you for sharing.
@@WolfPilot Another kicker was when I saw how much it would cost to rent a Cessna 172 for a weekend for an IN STATE trip. ~ $900.00 for the weekend. And thats only AFTER spending the 18K like you did just to get a VFR rating. Not trying to downplay your major accomplishment. I just cant justify the expenses involved to become an aviator.
@@nal2us2 Return on investment? Unless you are planning to go ATP, all you are doing is adding a life skill.. Flight training was actually far cheaper than collage and my end goal is to be a flight instructor, so maybe I will see a fiscal return at that point. For now I just revel in the fact that I have skills that only 1% of the country has..
Takes a lot of guts to admit this!! But props to you, I also failed my check ride as a stupidly line up on the wrong runway 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ stupid stupid. And you feel as everything went to crap. But a lot of us run into this.
There is no reason to be that close before calling on the radio. Start 20 miles away. Fly along the edge of the airspace but don’t fly 120 knots directly into the airspace without contact. When in doubt, slow down. There is no such thing as being “into the wind” when doing power on stalls. If your nose is all over the place when you’re approaching a stall, you’re walking on the rudder. Steady pressure. Lastly, it doesn’t matter if you haven’t flown the airplane before. The trim forces required for a soft field takeoff are very light if you start in the green band. It’s a dynamic maneuver, trim as you go.
The reason why I didn't call in was that I was already behind the aircraft. Also 20miles away is too far.. I doubt many towers would even be able to hear you.. 10miles out is the golden number for me.
I have a personal minimum not to fly above 90 degrees F. I will be up front with my DPE letting him know i have to have a lunch break and It can not be above 90 degrees. F. Maybe do the oral one day and the flight in the morning next day.
If I started overheating and getting dizzy, I would tell the DPE, I just failed my IMSAFE checklist. I am overheated, and getting dizzy And would not even start the aircraft.
Brother, that was one the most humble and honest videos on TH-cam. You get major props. for that! No doubt others will learn from your experience and that is surely the reason you posted this. You're a great human being for putting this out there and sharing your experience. Good luck on your 2nd shot. I'm sure you will look back on this one day and laugh! You'll make a great aviator.
HAHA I don't know what's worst, your DPE watching you get reprimanded by the control tower, or my Automobile Driving Test Examiner and I getting runned off the road by a Road Raged Filled Tractor Trailer Driver for accidentally cutting him off! I think the overwhelming sensation on both are probably just about the same as both are very high risk situations! The worst part is that we're doing this right in front of the examiner! HAHAA
I wasn't really "reprimanded" as much as just called out. But the sinking feeling was exactly the same. Thank god I had a cool DPE that understood what goes through a students head during check ride.
Probably should have censored out their phone number before putting this communication on TH-cam... Other than that, great content! Thanks for sharing your hard learned lesson on this check ride :) Blue Sky’s Bother!
I know some other channels mute the tower number out, but if you listen to enough live atc recordings you can get all you want. Thanks for watching my video and leaving a comment!
i just took a continuance on the flight portion of my commercial certificate because of high winds. the practical is hard enough with gusting winds. also, i can't even imagine flying a plane i've never been in before for a checkride. sounds like you stacked the deck against yourself.
There have been many comments like this one. I didn't get to choose my airplane. N190ME was in for 100hr I think. Regardless, I hope somebody in this situation knows they have options.
Most channels that post communications with phone numbers usually bleep or leave out the numbers. I would suggest that you also do that. Don't want to publicize tower phone numbers.
I don't know why they bother. The source of the audio they use is available to the whole internet. I bet you could even FOIA the entire FAA phone book if you wanted to.
Ever practice on anything but long paved runways? Simulated practice/experience will only get you *pretend experience. Practice at short unpaved strips and you'll get the hang.
Frank opinion, and probably harsh-from my count you have not trained for over 10 risks including how to prepare for the exam. I would switch Cfi, RIGHT NOW. Good luck. Fly safe.
You said you didn’t violate the airspace? Conversation should have a little more professional. You didn’t get a kitchen pass no rules were broken. Your DPE did save you however.
I just watched this again and it appears that you are one who embellishes EVERYTHING. The aircraft logbook never left the table. In fact, it never even got closed. The only book that got dropped on the table was my logbook. Who cares. It weighs 3oz. Big deal. Clueless
@@WolfPilot those pages are fragile, valuable, irreplaceable, and not owned by you. You were being careless with them. Oh yes I'm embellishing EvErYtHiNg. Instead of learning something, you're defending the indefensible. No wonder you failed your check ride. Hahaha.
Just did my checkride 18 gusting 30kt. Winds aloft about 60kt at 2500 foot. I actually think it's better to go in the weather. Sounds like you were nervous, that's an honest reality. All a learning experience. Cheer s
Do some study. How the heck can you have a V2 in a single engine aircraft. With this level of knowledge you shouldn't even have started wasting money on flight time.
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To everyone watching this. Getting dumped on an airspace, or being behind happens! There is NO rush. Just say "ok, I'm a little behind the airplane, I'm going to do a left/right 360 here to get setup". Also thank you for sharing this, it helps others learn
That is great advice! I don't know how that would work on a check ride. I guess it would depend on the DPE.
@@WolfPilot it would be fine on a checkride. Would he rather you bust airspace? Now, if you are doing 360s for 10 minutes...well yeah
@@WolfPilot No DPE would fault you for that, especially not on Private Pilot. You are expected to be the pilot in command, and if you say you're not ready, you're not ready. That wouldn't be a failure or even a debrief item.
On that point, you are the pilot in command even on your checkride when you're just acting. All the DPE is doing is observing, and giving you instructions like you're his chauffeur. It's up to you to decide to travel the speed limit and obey all traffic lights and decide if a lane change is safe to start at the time the passenger asks you to start it.
exactly !
This was absolutely hilarious (in your delivery). You're such a character in a phenomenal way. Thanks for sharing!
If my experience can help one other student pilot, it will be totally worth it.
The brutal honesty of your lessons learned video is a nice way to teach the lesson to us viewers. I'm close to my check-ride and I'll be taking your advice on having your personal mins on paper from now on. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for the great comment. If I could spare one student pilot from making the mistakes that I made, It would be totally worth it.
I'm glad you shared this with everyone! I just started online ground school, so I'm nowhere near a check ride, but I will remember your story... You have saved a lot of people from having the same heartache. Thank you!
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching and leaving a comment!
Much respect for posting this. It takes a brave soul to shine a light on their own failures. This will definitely help new pilots traveling down the same road.
Thank you for the comment! I just would hate to see a student pilot make the same mistakes I did..
Hey I want to thank you SO much for posting this video. It was one of a gazillion I watched before my Checkride and it really stuck out to me because it gave me peace that if I had a bad day and failed I’d be able to get back on the horse and complete the journey just like you did. You’re the kind of pilot who will keep getting better and better over the years because you’re honest with others and more importantly yourself. I’m proud to say that I passed my exam and am now living the dream. Just took my family out to Stevenville from Denton for some Hard 8 BBQ. Always a classic cross country for DFW folks. Anyway, thanks again and I hope to run into you at some point at one of the area meetups. Blue skies!
Thanks for the great supportive comment. You are right, The more I fly, the tighter my game gets. I refuse to become complacent. I love to train, train, train. Instrument is coming up quick. I ALWAYS try to learn from my mistakes.. Although, you should watch my Getting Bryan Turner video.. See if you can figure out which pooch I screwed...Almost...again.... I would love to meet you! I am a HUGE Airplanes and Coffee supporter and make every fly-in, even if I drive. Look for 8344T
@@WolfPilot Thanks Bud! Go get ‘em on your instrument. My training starts soon.
That was a very honest and open video about how the circumstances of your check ride stacked against you. I,ve learned a lot. Thanks Wolf Pilot!
Thanks for watching! If I could help just one person have a successful checkride, it would make it all worthwhile!
You'll get this! BTW, my jaw did drop when you said you hadn't flown your checkride airplane. Your CFI should have guided you against doing that. For the 6 weeks preceding my checkride, I chose the plane I was going to checkride in and only booked it from then on.
LoL Dan, He actually set this up! I wanted to fly N190ME (My normal airplane). Now full disclosure, both aircraft are C172SP's with G1000. Both are about the same vintage (2004 I think). The huge difference is that Jeff Wallach closely guards 190ME as his airplane and keeps it out of the hands of renters and students that are not his. To that end, it is not nearly as beat up as some of the other aircraft at Monarch. In fact, in a short time, it will be going in for a new engine. Jeff is a Chief Instructor, soooooo he can throw a little weight around.
Nah... I disagree 1K %. YOUR check ride IS YOUR CHECK-RIDE! Period. When YOU ARE PAYING WITH YOUR MONEY - No one with a title (except DPE or FAA) should ever, EVER, shit you like that. I don’t care if he the Chief Pilot - that’s BS ! Chief pilots are a dime a dozen ! Here today, gone tmrw.... I’m pissed off for you and I don’t even know you except from you video. That’s just wrong dude. Your CFI should have stepped in and resolved this for you. So 🤬 on him too. So many student pilots are screwed (behind the scenes) with this kind of behavior. Some penny pinch us, like charging a .5 hr. for “preprep” instruction time to a . 75 for “debrief” time when all’s they do is blah,blah,blah until there next student arrives. Sorry this went down this way. Don’t kick yourself - EVERYTHING worked against you this time. Start fresh and earlier in the day. It will make you a better pilot! Learn from this and keep spreading the word to other students.... Scott
@@scottsimpkins350 Yea, it's water under the bridge now. Watch my next video where I debrief my SUCESSFUL check ride! Thanks for the lengthy comment!
Appreciate the honest video.
Hey, thanks for the feedback. One of the main purposes of my channel is to highlight my mistakes and what I do to correct them.
It takes a lot of guts to post a video like this; I commend you for making this so that others may learn.
FWIW: when I get behind the airplane and close to controlled airspace, I will execute a 360° turn to give myself some time to get organized, make radio calls, etc. If you do this on a check ride be sure to tell the examiner you recognize the situation and the turn is your corrective action to remedy the situation - the DPE will like that.
Thank you, I really appreciate the feedback. If my story can help just one checkride student, it will be worth it.
It took alot to post this, my heart sunk for you it’s okay man... we all have moments we’re humans. I pray you pass your next check ride🙏🏾❤️
I did pass my next ride! I made it!
Thanks for this video! I applaud your courage to share, and thank you for sharing! My checkride is coming up in the next few weeks, and I will take your advice to heart!
Thanks, I try to be a really humble guy and as long as someone else can learn from my mistakes, the embarrassment is worth it.
I blew my first attempt as well, one bad day is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Keep pushing forward, if it was easy-everyone would do it. Focus on the way your going to feel when you pass; you’re trying to do something rare and special.
I passed my chekride August of last year. The second time was awesome! Please check out that debrief video.
Great honest video. Thank you. Best of luck! Looking forward to more videos
Thanks for your honest posting. Good to hear you passed and moved on.
I have to hand it to you , I really enjoyed your presentation here. Everyone can learn something from these videos.
Thanks! I appreciate the pat on the back.
I really appreciate the authenticity in your sharing this. I have a checkride coming up. I make mistakes too. I'm really glad that you shared your experience some that I can learn from it and do better in my checkride and do better in my future aviating. Thanks man!
I'm glad you found the debrief useful!! Thanks for tuning in!
Thank you so much for sharing your story! Great humor/attitude and much respect to you for sharing. Just started my training and it's great to hear your story (as well as many commenters).
Considering buying a plane to train in for the $ reasons and familiarity for the check ride. You helped confirm that familiarity with the plane for the check ride has value. Thanks!
Thanks for watching this video! Good luck in all your training and in the search for the perfect trainer!
👍☑️ We all know that you just did this to join BrYan's FSDO alumni association. You got guts man, congrats on learning and pushing through!
I always try my hardest to finish what I start!
I appreciate your honesty and transparency. Many of us will learn more from this video than from others. Thanks for sharing. Fly on brother!
Thanks for watching and leaving a comment! I think that being humble will make me a better pilot. I do know all my instructors love my attitude! Keep the blue side up!
This story gave me actual anxiety. 😂 I’ll take not to never try my check ride in the midst of the summer, sounds miserable! But I’m so glad you shared your story about this. It’s super helpful to a lot of people. I can’t wait to hear about your next check ride.
Oh I just found your second check ride. 😂
The second attempt was awesome! I started by whistling the AIRWOLF theme as I pre-flighted the plane.
9/6/79, at Addison, after my oral and a planned cross-country, we got in the Cessna152, N24890 was one of my two I rented. Wouldn’t start. Had to go get the battery cart, but the cowling didn’t have the plug. Very windy out, but got the cowling off and set behind the left main gear. Got charged and cranked. Warming it up a bit. Then, the strong, quartering tailwind blew the cowling up and over the gear, and right into the prop. Yeah! Thanks to plane number 2, I did get a good checkride and got my license.
Thats what happens to those that dont quit!
CLEAR PROP! I’m cracking up. But not for your experience. I can’t imagine all that going on during a checkride. Your explanation was honest and fun. I’m working on my checkride experience video for a year now. Looking forward to your next video. Subbed.
Thanks for the comment! Get to editing! I am getting a little behind. I am working on my new intro, then I can splice together some airplane maintence at my uncles hanger and my tailwheel lessons....
Man, I know that heartbreak all too well. Even on an ideal day, you’re fatigued from a 2 hour oral, and your heart is pounding with the examiner sitting across from you. But don’t let this phase you brother. Adversity and failure will always make us better pilots as long as we don’t quit. Keep pressing on, looking forward to seeing your wings post. Hang in there.
That video is published! Check out my other videos.
@@WolfPilot Outstanding to hear! Congrats aviator!
Thanks for sharing man. We all make mistakes and learn. Good luck going forward.
Thanks for the positive comment!
It takes a lot to tell about situations like this. I was stressed out for you man. Thanks for sharing and good luck if you haven't already got your ticket.
Hey thanks for tuning in! Yes I passed my PPL check ride back in August. Check out my Checkride PASS debrief video as well as my other training vids.
I did turns around a point in super gusty winds. It's hard and I was grunting. I kept my wing on that point. My turns where Text book. I then did steep turns and looked at my site picture and instrument scan and found grunting helped me keep my altitude as I had to pull up to keep it. Grunting helped. Forget getting the perfect trim. You just feel the plane. I am a student pilot that is almost ready for checkride. Need a few more hours.
I have flown in gusty winds too and staying coordinated is just a huge challenge. Good luck on your check ride!!!!!
I know this is a really old post but I have to respond.
Back in the 80's, I had an almost Identical experience on my check ride. We had spent all morning on the oral and by the time we were ready for the flying, the wind was similar to what you described. The Examiner offered to let me do the flight the following day, but like you I had a case of " get there idis". After we were air born and on a down wind departure I couldn't hold altitude or heading within limits. Fortunately the Examiners took pity on me and offered one more time to postpone the flight. I didn't hesitate and accepted.
A few days later I passed the flight part and realized it would have been near impossible for any pilot to have kept the plane within acceptable limits in those conditions.
Thanks for the comment! People like me sometimes have to learn the hard way.. But hey, i'm wiser for it
You are very fun to listen too, please never stop making videos. New subscriber here.
Thanks for tuning in!!! I know I have not dropped a video in 5 months. I have over 70 in the can.. When the flood gates open, its gonna be a gusher!
And this story is hilarious, too!
@@FAZWORTH421 The story is sad, because I failed but the way I re-lived it was, funny!
Next video....
I PASSED!!!
Stay tuned! That video will happen!
Just following up.. I PASSED!!!
@@WolfPilot YES 🎉🎊
I know the heart break. I failed my first stage check in college. The words “Turn it around” ripped my heart out, because I was so excited and overly confident.
Sometimes you just have to laugh at yourself. Getting a phone number on a checkride, is just one of those times. Haha
Best of luck - safe flying.
Not many would have the balls to make this film. I admire that and I hope you’ve already passed by now.
I sure have! Check out my other videos for the graduation video! SUCCESS!
This is hilarious. Your delivery is soo good.
BTW I failed my chechride yesterday flying from ADS to TKI.
My first checkride was a HUGE learning event. Who was your DPE? Are you a student at a KADS school?
Damn WolfPilot. Sorry you had to experience that. We have good days and we have bad days. We live and we learn. Glad to see you still in good spirits. Appreciate you for sharing your experience! Best of luck to you and hopefully you nailed it on the next go around 💯
Thanks for the comment and yes! I did nail the 2nd attempt! Check out that video!
Obviously, this is ancient history now. When the examiner said, "Do you want to discontinue" it was probably the examiner trying to give you a hint. I've noticed examiners can sometimes give subtle hints that are in your best interest when flying. I've obviously seen your flying videos since, and you're a competent pilot. I would fly with you any time.
I wish I knew that then.... Now when a student asks me for advice, that is one of the first pieces I can give.
Makes sense. When I'm overheated I don't think as well either. I'll make sure I do my checkride on a cool day.
Freezing can be the same on a motorcycle. If you are freezing and riding you are paying more attention to being cold than you are riding.
Thank you for sharing, you're going to ace it on your second try!
I am thinking the same thing. I will be ready to go!!
I have a jacket that says FLYING ACE they called me Flying Ace in high school
Appreciate this video! I’m looking into becoming a pilot as well and this seems like something that I would very much likely do and will be keeping this story in my mind as I train!
From a current student, thanks for this video!
You are welcome! Thanks for tuning in!
Lesson to learn here, don't do your check ride in rough weather...
Greed! Set your minimums early on and STICK TO THEM!
Reminds me of a CAP pilot I flew with. I haven't flown in over 11+ years since that flight. I am now just getting back into aviation and hope to go up soon!
Are you just beginning the PPL trail?
@@WolfPilot Yes I am starting my PPL trail while starting an air ambulance service with fixed, rotor and ground transport. I want my PPL for business travel.
Like others have said, I appreciate the honest assessment. It would have been far easier to keep quiet or minimize the experience. As someone who is starting to prepare for my check ride your video is helpful and gives me things to stay mindful of, especially pushing my minimums in an attempt to try to squeak by.
Always remember this-- You can always discontinue after the oral portion if the weather doesn't match with your minimums or even if you are fatigued. It won't cost you more money to the DPE to fly another day.
@@WolfPilot That’s a great point, I appreciate the advice. I subbed to your channel and look forward to seeing where GA takes you.
I’m a bit confused, did you enter the Delta without two-way radio communication? Or did they give you a PPD just for not contacting them 10 miles away? I don’t think they can give you a pilot deviation if you didn’t break their airspace rules or disobey their commands.
I didn't actually enter the Delta. My DPE was watching the MFD and we got within .5 miles of it without calling the tower and they don't like that. They didn't actually deviate me.. Remember, it's always a "possible" pilot deviation.
Ahhh I see. I guess I understand them giving you a phone number. Although it does depend on the controller.
If they tried to give you an actual deviation though, I would have fought that all day lol.
I keep laughing while watching your video, so funny how you tell us the story. Thanks for sharing.
LOL! I have a way of creating mental images. I want my viewers to feel like they were in the backseat along for the ride. Thanks for the awesome comment and for tuning in!
Not many people get a PPD on their checkride. Glad you didn't bust their airspace, or that conversation with the FSDO would have been a lot more uncomfortable. Also glad you passed the second time around.
I had an *AWESOME* DPE that got me to turn away at the last minute. The second check ride was much better.. It was fun! Even landing in the rain!
I am getting close to my check ride so thanks for posting this! Even on the ground Ive had some crazy ground issues at my busy Class D (dual runways, helicopters, medical planes priority , jets lining up in front & behind, being number 9 for takeoff, etc..) always hoping doesn’t happen on checkride....
Hey! You are so welcome! All your experiences sound just like mine at KADS. Thank almighty god that I got the lions share of my trining done at KTKI before my school had to pull back to KADS. #7 in sequence was not unusual during peak times.
No sweat man! (pun intended). I failed my first PPL checkride back in the day for stupid reasons. It happens. It's actually a good lesson that you will constantly face throughout all your flying...and that is when to decide that today is not a good day to fly. Your f'ups were simply a ripple effect from that one link on the chain. Lesson learned. Move forward.
Hey Thanks Wolficorn! You are spot on. I didn't break the chain and almost paid the price.
One of the reasons I started practicing during the mid day for those windy conditions so I can improve my flying. I have yet to schedule a checkride.
I have adopted the mentality that as you build more time, your ability and confidence increase. I do things now that I would have never considered as a student.
Great insight: know and respect personal minimums whatever one is flying.
Know when to say no.
Mucho kudos to you for posting this. I'm sure this will help many other pilots or future pilots. 👍
I sure hope so. If only one student avoids the pit that I fell into, it will be worth it.
In the end you’ll be a better pilot as a result. Don’t get discouraged
I wasn't discouraged at all. Please check out my other videos! I redid the flight portion of my check ride and passed! Thanks for tuning in!
Wow; I just wish you the best. I'm getting ready to schedule my check ride and the 172 I've been flying is down for a fuel gauge issue (part on order). I hesitate to move forward in a different plane.
Hi Marty, Thanks for watching my video. The next video in the series is my re-test debrief. Please check it out!
So you didn’t actually ever enter the Delta airspace? I’m surprised the Tower was so hard on you. I almost busted my first check ride. I kept forgetting to do my clearing turns. I didn’t sleep the night before and I was so frazzled and nervous. I was just not in a good headspace. I almost blew it but I scraped by. Between the heat and winds you probably should have done the flying portion another day but live and learn. I’m sure you did fine your second attempt. Great video!
No, I got within .5 miles before my DPE turned me. The second ride was SOOOO much better!
@@WolfPilot so, why did the tower give you a number to call for pilot deviation if you never even entered the airspace?? That’s like giving you a ticket for “almost” speeding. Glad the second one went better!
@@smflyboy no no no.. Remember, it's a "possible" pilot deviation. My DPE was in the right seat. No paperwork was filed, he just wanted to talk to me. Also, he had 3 other pilots that did in fact actually deviate so his fuse was a little short that afternoon.
Yes I meant to include "possible" but my ipad doesn't let me edit comments after I submit them lol. Ok I understand now. The controller was just a bit hyper-sensitive by the time you got there haha. Thanks for the replies!
Omg this is the best video I saw you do
Thanks Jacob!
People think it's a joke when I tell them waiting in sequence for departure for up to 30 minutes at KADS is not unusual. Btw I'm pretty sure you didn't commit any deviation, you don't have to contact the tower at a specified distance, it's only recommended - the only way that would be a deviation is if you went into their airspace without establishing comms.
Edit: after listening to the ATC, it seems you did bust their airspace. It sucks but as long as you learn from it, I think you'll be fine.
Actually no I didn't. That voice you heard after me was my DPE Chris. He was watching the G1000 and had me turn away 1/2 statute mile before entering the KTKI Delta. ATC was just pissed because they didn't know I was coming. In my training, I *ALWAYS* would call them around 10 miles out and let them know what I wanted to do..
@@WolfPilot ah gotcha, yea I saw later in the video you explained the g1000 situation. I personally really enjoy the controllers at KTKI, but I've heard from others that if you do something a little out of the ordinary they really get after you. That, and I've also heard it on freq a couple of times lol were you able to end up retesting?
Bryan Turner's FSDO's reserve parking space. LOL.
Flying a strange Airplane for the Checkride is a setup for failure. The weather was also not ideal. A good CFI ensures these things work in your favor. My CFI did everything he could to ensure I was comfortable on the day of my checkride as he should. I passed on the first try.
Sorry you were not bolstered the correct way. Hope you have obtained your certificate by now.
Hey thanks for checking out my video. I think the video after this one is the graduation video. I think my instructors rationale was that all the planes in the school fleet are 172SP's with G1000. It not like I trained in a piper then check rode in a cessna. It was still just different enought
I took my check ride on a 100°F day at Van Nuys and we were frickin’ boiling. I busted my first checkride too.
So you have been there, done that, and have the coffee mug.
“Cotton mouth so bad”
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS have gum for a checkride.
Thank you for sharing this! I practiced my last soft field/short field landings/takeoffs at KOFP (VA, elv ‘207) with a 12 knot xwind gusting 18 for 1.6 in our traffic pattern…was that out of my personal mins YES would I have done that on my check ride NO but you better believe after that practice I grease those landings on a clear day like they are nothing haha! Sometimes a crazy day helps you…but unfortunately not on a checkride :( I am redoing my checkride this week because everything was good except my LEFT steepturn I busted my altitude and failed to use any rudder on the turn. Here’s to you man!
Hey Ryan, Thanks for checking out my checkride video. Now that I am post checkride, I actively seek out challanges like that.. Crosswinds are no problem.. I can always go around! Good luck on your super short check ride!
@@WolfPilot thank you! This is my husbands account so I just realized it says “Ryan” but I officially joined the 5% of female pilots 😂😄🤙
Hey! Comm multi rated here....pretty sure we went to the same flight school, I’m open to any questions ya might have 🤙. Don’t worry bro about a bad flight...it happens, and as an edit being PIC and calling off a flight can sometimes be the biggest call of the flight...takeoffs are optional, landings are mandatory. Never be afraid to make the best choice in your head
I went to Monarch Air. First in Mckinney then Addison after Monarch lost their lease on the hanger.
There is a bust and there is a bust. I was predicting dehydration before you even mentioned it, behind the plane, not a good spot for a checkride. Good on checkride for keeping you out of Delta, if they wanted they could have probably just let you fly through it, it's your checkride after all? I was in another profession, I'd just say, listen, I need a minute to get sorted here, and then pick a quiet direction / slow speed etc whatever and sort things out.
Dude this is awesome😂
Damn some people have confidence! Flying an airplane you've never flown before in 25 knot gusts... I'm not sure how that checkride was supposed to go, were you going to do precision short-field landings with approach speed of 55 knots with crosswind gusting to 24 knots?..
My own checkride failure was pretty spectacular, but I have to admit this story is something else.
It was a form of gethereitis. I wanted to get it done. Part of this folly was my own personality as a git-er-done kinda guy. It was a good life lesson to have that failure. I now have those minimums defined on paper. At the time I thought it was a good idea.
@@WolfPilot well in all honesty unless you plan on flying professionally and need a clean checkride record - there is no difference between a discontinuance and a failure. You have to come back and finish the ACS items anyway, so probably makes sense to take the risk and try to get done as much as possible.
How much money have you spent for training thus far? How much did it cost to get a re-test for another check ride?
By the time I got my PPL, it was 17k. The check ride was 700$ but I had to cough up another 300 to redo the flight portion.
@@WolfPilot The hardest part about going through with Pilot training is amounts like you spent and not seeing any return on investment. I cant get over that hump. Thank you for sharing.
@@WolfPilot Another kicker was when I saw how much it would cost to rent a Cessna 172 for a weekend for an IN STATE trip. ~ $900.00 for the weekend. And thats only AFTER spending the 18K like you did just to get a VFR rating. Not trying to downplay your major accomplishment. I just cant justify the expenses involved to become an aviator.
@@nal2us2 Return on investment? Unless you are planning to go ATP, all you are doing is adding a life skill.. Flight training was actually far cheaper than collage and my end goal is to be a flight instructor, so maybe I will see a fiscal return at that point. For now I just revel in the fact that I have skills that only 1% of the country has..
@@WolfPilot Again, congratulations.
14:12 😂
Takes a lot of guts to admit this!! But props to you, I also failed my check ride as a stupidly line up on the wrong runway 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ stupid stupid. And you feel as everything went to crap. But a lot of us run into this.
If my advice and story can help a single student pilot at check ride, then it's totally worth it. Thanks for the comment!
Appreciate the laying it all out there for us
Thank you for tuning in. If only one student can benefit from my mistakes, then it's all worthwhile.
Thanx for this post
There is no reason to be that close before calling on the radio. Start 20 miles away. Fly along the edge of the airspace but don’t fly 120 knots directly into the airspace without contact. When in doubt, slow down.
There is no such thing as being “into the wind” when doing power on stalls. If your nose is all over the place when you’re approaching a stall, you’re walking on the rudder. Steady pressure.
Lastly, it doesn’t matter if you haven’t flown the airplane before. The trim forces required for a soft field takeoff are very light if you start in the green band. It’s a dynamic maneuver, trim as you go.
The reason why I didn't call in was that I was already behind the aircraft. Also 20miles away is too far.. I doubt many towers would even be able to hear you.. 10miles out is the golden number for me.
@@WolfPilot can’t hear you?!?! If you can hear the ATIS, they can hear you.
I have a personal minimum not to fly above 90 degrees F. I will be up front with my DPE letting him know i have to have a lunch break and It can not be above 90 degrees. F. Maybe do the oral one day and the flight in the morning next day.
I should have had that minimum too :(
learned quite a bit, thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
If I started overheating and getting dizzy, I would tell the DPE, I just failed my IMSAFE checklist. I am overheated, and getting dizzy And would not even start the aircraft.
I wasn't dizzy, just hot and impaired. It was a learning experience.
Brother, that was one the most humble and honest videos on TH-cam. You get major props. for that! No doubt others will learn from your experience and that is surely the reason you posted this. You're a great human being for putting this out there and sharing your experience.
Good luck on your 2nd shot. I'm sure you will look back on this one day and laugh! You'll make a great aviator.
Thanks! Check out my other videos for the passing debrief!
I have to take my exam in presidential airspace because i live in northern va
Oh man... That is lame. How big of an additional burden is that?
HAHA I don't know what's worst, your DPE watching you get reprimanded by the control tower, or my Automobile Driving Test Examiner and I getting runned off the road by a Road Raged Filled Tractor Trailer Driver for accidentally cutting him off! I think the overwhelming sensation on both are probably just about the same as both are very high risk situations! The worst part is that we're doing this right in front of the examiner! HAHAA
I wasn't really "reprimanded" as much as just called out. But the sinking feeling was exactly the same. Thank god I had a cool DPE that understood what goes through a students head during check ride.
Probably should have censored out their phone number before putting this communication on TH-cam... Other than that, great content! Thanks for sharing your hard learned lesson on this check ride :) Blue Sky’s Bother!
I know some other channels mute the tower number out, but if you listen to enough live atc recordings you can get all you want. Thanks for watching my video and leaving a comment!
i just took a continuance on the flight portion of my commercial certificate because of high winds. the practical is hard enough with gusting winds. also, i can't even imagine flying a plane i've never been in before for a checkride. sounds like you stacked the deck against yourself.
There have been many comments like this one. I didn't get to choose my airplane. N190ME was in for 100hr I think. Regardless, I hope somebody in this situation knows they have options.
Didn’t know a single engine Cessna had a v2 speed
Maybe S1 and S2.. At some point you can annunciate when you have passed the point of stopping on the runway.
Tossed salad..hummm. ~smile*
Get your mind out of the gutter!
Sounds macho
Huh???
Most channels that post communications with phone numbers usually bleep or leave out the numbers. I would suggest that you also do that. Don't want to publicize tower phone numbers.
I don't know why they bother. The source of the audio they use is available to the whole internet. I bet you could even FOIA the entire FAA phone book if you wanted to.
@@WolfPilot Nobody is going to file an FOIA to get a phone number.
Please list the minute and second position in this video where you explain what happened.
You "screwed the pooch"? Hope it wasn't that German Shepherd!
I was metaphorically speaking..
Ever practice on anything but long paved runways? Simulated practice/experience will only get you *pretend experience. Practice at short unpaved strips and you'll get the hang.
I'm confused. What should I be practicing? In later videos you can see me doing landings on a grass strip in a super decathlon.
Frank opinion, and probably harsh-from my count you have not trained for over 10 risks including how to prepare for the exam. I would switch Cfi, RIGHT NOW. Good luck. Fly safe.
What are you talking about 10 risks? I passed check ride august 2020.
You said you didn’t violate the airspace? Conversation should have a little more professional. You didn’t get a kitchen pass no rules were broken. Your DPE did save you however.
Yes, yes he did save my ass.
Call this number…..not a good day.
No... Not at all.
What is screw the pooch ? Lmaooooo
That's what I did on this flight...
Not the pilot for me ......
What are you trying to say? A little more context would help.
The Gung Ho pilot with stories and attitude of 'I can Do it' will ALWAYS fail any and all check rides.
Whatever. Being positive isn't a negative.
Not passing is only a failure if you quit, it is just another lesson for non quitters.
This is true!!
Top tip squire. Concentrate on the task (in this case, pre-test planning) rather than the making of a video.
Well, this stupid comment about sums you up. Troll.
This entire video is about your personal excuses to why you botched your check ride
"Personal excuses"? Sounds like he's stating "personal reasons". Another land-based (backseat) driver. Try making content instead of whining.
@@secondrule “land based backseat driver ??” I actually hold a current commercial pilots license
If you failed the flying portion the person to blame is your instructor.
I disagree..
This guy seemed reasonable right up to when he said 'all this covid nonsense'
Sorry dude. I stopped watching when you started throwing around the airplane logbooks. Careless.
I just watched this again and it appears that you are one who embellishes EVERYTHING. The aircraft logbook never left the table. In fact, it never even got closed. The only book that got dropped on the table was my logbook. Who cares. It weighs 3oz. Big deal. Clueless
@@WolfPilot those pages are fragile, valuable, irreplaceable, and not owned by you. You were being careless with them. Oh yes I'm embellishing EvErYtHiNg. Instead of learning something, you're defending the indefensible. No wonder you failed your check ride. Hahaha.
Just did my checkride 18 gusting 30kt. Winds aloft about 60kt at 2500 foot. I actually think it's better to go in the weather. Sounds like you were nervous, that's an honest reality. All a learning experience. Cheer s
There was that, but the 100deg was not helping.
Do some study. How the heck can you have a V2 in a single engine aircraft. With this level of knowledge you shouldn't even have started wasting money on flight time.
have a short runway.