I FAILED My Private Pilot Check Ride
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ธ.ค. 2019
- Here’s the story of my failed private pilot check ride. In this video I will go over what you might expect on your own check ride, some of my takeaways, the reason for my disapproval, and what happens next. If you guys and gals like this video, please hit that like button, subscribe, and stay tuned for more of my aviation adventures soon to come!
-Captain Charlie Bravo
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This is one of the most valuable videos I have come across on TH-cam. Thanks for sharing your experience and perspective. It is indeed a "community service" for potential pilots! A setback is only one step away from success! Good Luck!
Wow, thank you! That's quite the compliment! I'm glad you found it helpful!
Its wierd how some airlines care soo much about traffic tickets and checkride failures, where other ones dont
I am honestly so proud of the fact that you showed so much resilience to such a moment of adversity. I wish you the best of luck to you and your flying career, and I wish you the best of success in your future endeavors. As Shyam said, a setback is only one step away from success.
It is so refreshing to see someone do such a service to the community by sharing a mistake they made in their quest for career success in aviation. As a former Captain (NWA/Delta), current corporate pilot and DPE, just let me say I would be proud to have you in my cockpit as a trusted crewmember. Do not fret the hiccup in your journey; as a former member of an airline hiring board, you are just the person I always looked for in the selection. Keep up the good work!!
Thank you so much for such a thoughtful and kind response. I appreciate your perspective and I’m glad the intention of sharing my experience was well received!
Bo Corby As a pilot for 30 years and one who did my private testing on steam gauges only, I had to comment on your post here. For you to take the time to post the detailed words of support and encouragement here, is not only impressive, but kind of you. With endless comments on here, yours will never be forgotten by this pilot. I am so glad I randomly wound up here, to see the impressive ownership of errors by this pilot, then have the honor of reading your supportive post. Yes, this was time well spent, so thank you both. Safe skies !
I was thinking exactly the same way as you Bo Cordy. I stumbled on this video by accident but I'm very glad I watched. It was very refreshing to see this young man put forth such a professional effort. As a former CFI/CFII/MEI corporate pilot and current commercial airline captain for a combined 30+ years, I don't believe I remember ever seeing this much knowledge and professionalism in someone with his level of experience. I would say to Captain Charlie Bravo, I believe your CFI may have let you down some in your training on this particular subject.
Your buddy on the couch knows how to deal with setbacks . Take a nap. All will be good.
Real talk...🐶 therapy
This is literally the best piece of advice I’ve ever read.
I failed my PPL written 3 times before passing on the 4th try. I’m now about to be a commercial pilot. Strong work on sharing this !
Way to stick with it! It's not for the faint of heart. You have to tap into your passion and keep pushing through. Congrats on making it that far! Quite the accomplishment!
What’s going to be your first commercial airplane?
So it looks like you are not a natural pilot. Was that the DPE's or your fault??
You should never be allowed to fly if you failed 3 times! My God, you have a book with the answers in it! And no, you are not about to be a commercial pilot, you are probably about to take your commercial test...which you have a LOT more to do to actually be a commercial pilot. Which I hope you never become! My goodness....unbelievable...
@@MikeM275 Ah give him a break. Even if he failed his written a few times, doesn't mean he can't grow. I know plenty of people who were once pretty poor pilots during their training days who eventually became competent airline captains. Flying is an art, and it takes time to grow into it. Yeah, some people don't make the cut, but there are plenty who eventually do.
That seems extreme. I remember on my checkride (20 years ago), I somehow forgot my sectional and only noticed on climb-out. How the DPE didn't notice up to then, I don't know. I 'fessed right up and said "I may have blown this before we even got going. I don't have my sectional." I then radioed the tower for an immediate return to the airport. We get back on the ground, I'm beyond dejected, he walks in with me, I see my sectional sitting right there on the table. He says, "OK, let's go." Long story short, he passed me. In the end, he said he had the right to declare it a fail, but based on how I reacted to it, how I handled it, and how I resumed the flight without losing it, that was truly what being a PIC was about.
What a great story! Put a smile on my face while reading it.
As an examiner for the British CAA, I can say you did everything correct and deserved a pass. I am still staggering about this video "programmed my GPS" what a dick
That was a cool DPE, my roommate busted his check ride because the sectional expired the previous day. Done.
Yes, that is a fair DPE. you did the correct thing. You did nothing unsafe and you went back to get your sectional.
@@tringalijthat's so dumb especially since the sectionals and even terminal charts rarely change and if it does it won't be a change that's going to affect you the chances of some airport or airspace being affected right where you are is slim to none. The requirement for a new sectional and ESPECIALLY terminal charts is idiotic. Just release an update bulletin which says what part of the sectional is affected or which approach/arrival/departure/enrojte charts are affected. Guaranteee you each cycle maybe 1 thing at MOST changes, and for most pilots that one thing won't affect them.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and press on. As a retired F-14, airline captain of the 727, A-300, MD-11, and B-777 we’ve all had a stumble along way. Keep going.
Damn...you've flown some sweet birds. Thanks for the encouragement!
Flying dog boxes after an F-14 must be a real letdown :(
The last thing I wanna hear is that nobody fails their checkride. I'll gladly fly with someone who failed and ultimately passed, because I think they have a deeper appreciation for the knowledge.
ZOANOM I totally agree. I’m a better pilot because of it. Plus I feel proud of my accomplishments that much more.
@@CaptainCharlieBravo You should, it all adds to your personal confidence, which is critical. We never learn so much as when we fail, and we certainly learn when we teach, so you've gained from both directions by sharing it. Thanks for posting this.
If everything the lad says is so then it was not fairly assessed. It is one thing to fail for a bonehead mistake that makes you say to yourself boy I screwed that up but it is another to fail under such circumstance. There will be plenty other chances to fail in a legitimate fashion during a lifetime, but to carry something on your record is not acceptable. Although I will say most airplanes do use some degree of flap for a soft field takeoff. I think a more appropriate response by her would have been to let you do a short field landing to a full stop then left you do another soft field takeoff with some flaps. I know its a check ride but there is some leniancy given to the DPE in some circumstances. Thats all I have to say on the subject. Carry on.
definately
Would you say the same about driving a car?
Hey CB, sounds like you had a DPE that couldn't overlook a minor problem on a flight check that sounded like you had 99 % nailed. As an ATP commercial retired pilot I can say to you that you will ultimately accomplish your goal!! I failed my first instrument check ride do to a blotched go around but went on to fly for the next 40 years accumulating 30,000+ hrs. The fact that you were able to accept the DPE's recommendation says volumes about who you are. Hang in there, you have an exciting career ahead of you.
I appreciate the support! You still flying now that you’re retired?
@@CaptainCharlieBravo Yes I am. I was flying corporate jets for a while but now I am involved with a flying club here in Northeast Florida. It's in the blood. ;-))
Gotta say man, I clicked this video assuming you made some dumb mistake. I stand corrected, your DPE definitely graded you unfairly. If it went as you say it did, your DPE is not looking at the evaluation correctly and you should never use her again. Your experience is not normal. Your maneuver was not unsafe and your decision making was sound. She essentially failed you on minor techniques. Don't take this one too hard. I'm a former military instructor/evaluator pilot (now just flying for fun on weekends) and this whole story just sounds outrageous.
Yeah. It had me spun up for a minute but it’s all good. I passed, I still love flying, and learned a thing or two about testing prep and performance.
I agree. My oral and check ride were nothing like that. It certainly was much much more than kick the tires and don't crash but wow. People who do not instruct or evaluate student pilots continually will not remember all the stuff we're required to learn during our PPL training. A good DPE will know this and will mostly make sure you're safe, know that the information exists, and you know where to get the information. Nobody has the entire FAR book memorized and anyone can fail anyone else on something minor like you were dinged on. You should have passed your check ride.
Yeah, that is simply unfair. Of course a student trusts his instructor. If the instructor confirmes they trained that way there is only one fair solution: Tell them you expect something different and let the student do that right now. It is not his fault. Maybe this can mean trouble for the instructor but why the student? How is that fair. I always trusted my instructors and I don't feel naive.
@Rourke Beuchel You are exactly right, she graded him unfairly especially by quizzing you extra hard like that. This experience you had with her was not normal at all. Do not fly with this particular check ride instructor again.
Your tempered response to this experience helps my faith in humanity, or at least towards fellow aviators. You were clearly well prepared, and it might suck to fail. But good response! I don't agree with your DPE, but technicalities have killed before. (This wouldn't likely have ever even lead to an incident). And great video! I wish everyone would post their fail videos, failure is a great instructor! (Expressly when it doesn't kill or maim you). People that are hot with words about this DPE, grow some emotional temper, like C'apin Charlie Bravo here.
Don't sweat it. I breezed thru my private pilot written with a 98 and aced my check out ride, BUT failed my first CDL drivers license test at the DMV!
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Funniest thing I have heard😂
bROOOO The pre-trip inspection is brutal!!!
What did you use to study?
I'm about to start my PPL training. This was a very upfront and honest video that will help me very much. Thanks for sharing!
Excellent video! You did a service to others by making this video. What amazes me is how some people gave this a thumbs down. What could they possibly have to complain about this video? Thank you again for making this!
I also busted my checkride on my first time around as well. The flight was going pretty good for the first 40minutes, but then we got to the steep turns. I was feeling pretty confident about steep turns because it was one of my favorite maneuver, but as I rolled into the turn i became anxious and continued even though I probably should’ve stopped. I rolled out of the steep turn and he looked at me and he said that sadly doesn’t meet ACS standards. I took a deep breath and he asked me if I wanted to continue my flight I looked at him and I said yes. I finish the rest of my check ride landed the plane and felt nothing but disappointment in myself. Later that week we went up again and I completed the steep turns with high confidence in myself. The moral of the story is never give up. If this is truly what you want to do for the rest your life or is something that you are extremely passionate about keep pushing yourself to the limits keep moving forward.
I'm starting my pilot course next month. I've never seen someone so humble in a mistake - but I'm more thankful that you shared this with us. I hope you made it in the end and I wish you all the best in your aviation career!
That’s awesome! It so fun and challenging. I’m glad you liked the video and I appreciate you following along! Thanks!
Through your pain & disappointment you have helped others embarking at this stage. I'm currently at the mock check ride stage. This contact was helpful. Thanks for sharing.
Sometimes it is difficult to publicly own our mistakes but your doing so helps many other potential aviators so much. Thank you for taking one for the team and for sharing your experience. I hope your training has continued to progress towards your ultimate goals. See you in the pattern.
Thank you for sharing, it says a lot about your character to own this situation. Kudos to you. Your information here is useful to me and I imagine many others. Thanks again!!
Brian Beckman I appreciate the kind words my man! Few things feel as good as hearing this kind of feedback. Thanks to you for watching!
AWESOME video, thank you for sharing your experience. This was EXTREMELY HELPFUL.
I'm 58 yrs young and have 38 hours in my log book. Recently soloed.
I'm a long way way from doing my check ride.
Your video is very inspirational and educational on many levels.
An experienced Private pilot once told me "learning to fly is a journey, not a destination".
You'll do FINE on the last few maneuvers on your next check ride.
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Again, THANK YOU for sharing.
Definitely subscribing, looking forward to following your "journey".
Brian Berezowski that’s so awesome, Brian! I’m glad to help! Congrats on the solo! Best feeling ever, right?! I’m super stoked you’re here and look forward to making some more videos . If there is something you want a video for, put your suggestions in the comments. Let me know when you get that ticket!
Thanks for posting this. It is great to see the bad with the good. And there is not enough of the bad people are willing to share. Goodluck with your flying career!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on your check ride experience. Not many people find the courage to share there failed experience and in doing so you have helped me to become even more prepared, thanks.
For some unknown reason, your video popped up on my screen this morning and I had to watch (Congratulations, btw, for passing your check-ride). My career is winding down (45 years in the profession with the last 24 as an expat contractor). With 12 type-ratings I never endured a 3 1/2 to 4 hour Oral and though each pre-flight was thorough they were not as intense as yours. Many of us admire your dedication, study, and preparation but each of us equally appreciate and admire your humility. As a former Gulfstream PPE (FAR 91), DCA (UAE), and Line Check Airman (KSA), it was an opportunity for a candidate to hopefully learn something but they would somehow elevate my perspective as well. My personal opinion but you obviously provided her with insight and knowledge she could use to enhance her career! At age 68 and having quadruple bypass surgery last August, I'm not sure if the FAA will approve a re-issue for my medical but, I have been approached to set-up and manage a new operation to consist of a VIP 787, three Gulfstreams, and three Sikorsky S76Ds - it may never come through but if it does, you would be welcome in our organization (select group of retired professionals from American, Pan Am, and VIP expat operators). Take care, all the best ....
Thank you! Sorry to hear about your medical...that's rough after a life of flying. I'd love to hear more about your opportunity should it come to fruition. Send your contact info to captaincharliebravo@yahoo.com. I'd love to network once I'm qualified! Thanks for the kind words and taking the time to watch!
Like others have said, it's great to own the mistake, recover, and ace it next time. But, prior to flying with that examiner again, I would dive into the POH and the regs, and verify her basis for disapproving of a maneuver. Then discuss your findings. We have regs and POH for a reason, and an examiner has to follow both, just as they expect you to do. The fact that you successfully completed the maneuver in a safe manner tells me you were correct and within the limits of the aircraft. Her response was subjective, and incorrect.
That’s precisely what my CFI and I did. We went back and forth for a few days but she stuck to her guns and maintained her disapproval. I went back a few weeks later, nailed the 4 maneuvers left to demonstrate, and got my ticket.
@@CaptainCharlieBravo Hey, that is great! Congratulations on getting your license!
@@CaptainCharlieBravo Can you take legal action? I would never let a DPE cheat me out like that. I'm probably too argumentative.
I have a feeling that you are becoming an excellent pilot. Anyone who is this honest and introspective about a setback like this is destined to be better for it. This was very articulate and incredibly helpful to those of us at the very beginning of this journey. Thanks very much.
Superb! The civil aviation community are endlessly-inspiring professional achievers - I enjoyed it for about 7 years before I decided to step away, concluding at the the time I couldn't devote the hours necessary to advance to and maintain competency for IFR. Loved every second of the journey and am convinced you'll be onboard soon if not already long ago. Quite frankly, you've accomplished more than many in life, so be proud!
If what you said is true:
Yes, I agree with examiner on one point. A soft field should be with some flap. You need to transfer the weight off the wheels and onto the wings as soon as possible. In Canada I would give you a “2” out of 4 on that. ( passed with a briefing) What you did was not unsafe. This examiner is way out of line. There are issues with her that could be an entirely different conversation. She is abusing her tittle.
This is a private pilot ride, not a shuttle launch. The lesson learned here is that you got a bad examiner and that’s too bad. This unfortunately happens. I have done over 70 check flights in my career and I got one or two people who should not be in those positions. You sound like a very descent competent pilot. Put this behind you, keep going and do not fly this this examiner ever again, she is the problem, not you.
Hans Juergensen
I appreciate the kind words! I also felt a solid debrief would have had the same impact on my actions going forward. Thanks for watching!
spoiler alert, I'm not a pilot but I would make sure I got this examiner again, she made sure you knew your stuff......
I’m also training in a C150 and my CFI and I have discussed this very issue. If there’s a 50ft obstacle, no flaps. I agree total crap that you got busted for that. Apparently if you did your checkride in a cub you’d fail automatically because there are no flaps 🙄
Agree👍
@@warwickmcdowall6611 No.
That's great of you to share your experience, I am a pilot, but feel you did a great thing by sharing your story. I'm confident that you will have your license very soon, and this will all be a fantastic memory. Good luck, stay safe, and happy flying!
Thanks for the kind words! Those are hard to find on TH-cam comment sections these days. If you check the more recent uploads, you’ll be happy to see I passed my retest and am loving every minute of it!
That’s awesome! Enjoy the wonderful joys of being PIC, keep learning, stay safe, God bless!
Just found this video and it’s excellent. Thank you for explaining exactly what happened and how you would approach it in retrospect. It’s really helpful. I have a lot of respect for you as a person and pilot for how you handled this situation.
Glad it was helpful! I appreciate your support and you taking the time to watch!
Thanks for sharing your experience for us to learn from. Being so humble after such an event is a great quality. I would be proud to fly with you!
Absolutely! All in the name of learning! Thanks for your support and taking the time to watch.
I’m getting ready for my private pilot check ride. Thank you for sharing this experience. It was not something easy to put out there but you had the self confidence to do it hoping that you may help someone else.
If we all were in the habit of sharing our failures some of us might be able to avoid them for ourselves. That’s the same reason I watch NTSB investigations all the time. Good luck on your ride! Let me know when you pass!
I can't tell you how impressed I am with you... your modesty regarding your checkride experience, and your maturity to learn from it. I would fly with you as my fellow crewmember anytime. Bravo. I have no doubt at all that you will be a very successful professional aviator.
I really appreciate your support! Thanks for taking the time to watch!
It's been already 2 years, this video really makes me feel alive. Thanks for your advice!
Very insightful.. I failed my short-field landing on a wet runway and had to go-around twice on my forward-slip to landing, during my checkride.
I am glad that you continue to remain positive, and took the time to walk us through the events.
Congrats on nailing your manoeuvres during your re-test and getting your private! Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much! I appreciate your support .
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I passed on my first private checkride attempt. But it wasn't pretty. I had well over 160 hours by that date and it was my third flight school. Was at ATP (2nd school) and was completely demoralized after I had trouble with my landings and was basically told I was not going to make it there. I started four months later to a different school and after 7 mos (lots of bad weather) I finally passed my private. I'm still nervous about the rest of the checkrides coming, but all we can do is prepare!
Like you, I had to find a DPE who could fit in my plane; I never could. My instructor actually called a FAA Director, and he conducted my check ride. Also, just like you, I flubbed my short field takeoff. He did not fail me over that. He did have my instructor go over it with me again. The oral part lasted about an hour, and the check ride was an hour as well. Congratulations on passing it later. After watching the video; I feel certain, you were better prepared than I was.
I feel pretty good about how well I prepared. At least I’m taking something with me to my next ride!
WOW...THANKS FOR SHARING THIS !! I'm probably a month or so out before taking my check ride so I am trying to wrap my head around it all sooner then later. Also so awesome to read through the comments posted here. It for sure goes to say anything worth having in life is worth the hard work / fighting for. I have to agree with so many others here...yes very humbling...but I would no doubt feel much safer flying with a person like yourself than someone who just might feel a bit more full of themselves. Its obvious you are a articulate, smart, determined individual and I believe there is no doubt you will persevere and go on to continue and accomplish your goals to become a great aviator ! Best of luck !!
I appreciate the support! I wish you the best on your ride! let me know when you pass!
You have demonstrated one of the most important skills in being a good pilot. Owning your mistakes, learning from them, and sharing with others so that they don't make the same ones. So many are scared to admit their failures (and we all have them).
This is a skill I've seen mamy experienced pilots fail at time and time again!
Its tough to do but my life and others lives depend on me performing at my best. I like the challenge and look forward to the new ones that lie ahead!
Congratulations bro. I am currently doing my flight training and there's much to learn. Keep trucking.
That’s an understatement! The learning never stops!
Great attitude. This will not hamper your ability to get hired at an airline. I'm a FedEx pilot and with over 7600 HRS I'm still always learning. Good luck with the rest of your training and checkrides
Thanks for making this video. You are a bigger man than I or probably most people out there. Glad to see you are doing well!
Captain CB, I really liked the video and the tips you suggested-particularly when you mentioned bringing up question to the DPE before the checkride! As a CFI, trust me we get the same heart-sinking feeling when one of our students unfortunately has a disapproval on a checkride. I failed my Instrument flying portion, and now am starting a job at a regional airline in the US. Hang in there, and work to ace the rest of your rides, keep in mind you’re starting toward your flying career goal at a great time. Best of luck to you
Thanks so much! I can’t wait to make it there myself!
Thank you dude! Heads up, cheers from Portugal !
🇵🇹 🌎 🇺🇸 !!! Cheers!
Turned out my DPE had worked with my dad 20 years prior (USAF C141) We didn’t know who
each other was until a week later. Took my check at 42 hours. He asked me to give him our position (1995 no gps at the time). So I called approach and ask for a speed and location check, which I received. The dpe laighed, “good one” he said then ask he to do it the “hard way” using map and gbr. Regardless of outcome each flight is a learning experience. Good way to handle it.
That’s awesome! Nothing wrong with using your resources.
Great video. Love your dog. I have my checkride in 6 weeks. I just went to my POH and saw that my short field doesn't say 10 degrees of flaps and I've been using 10 degrees for short and soft field takeoffs. I will be sure to clarify all of that now. Thanks again!!
Thank you for sharing and taking us on your journey to ATP certification. Hope you continue posting ...Best of luck in your future check rides..
Thank you! Will do! I love sharing my experiences. It is a good way to document them for myself and hopefully it entertains a few along the way!
You explaining yourself experience shows you’re an intelligent individual, so I don’t fought you’ll ACE every check ride you do from here on out. I have to be honest, I was a bit distracted watching this video because you have one of the cutest dogs, lol👍
That’s my boy! He’s always trying to photo 💣!
As the old adagio says: making a mistake is human, persevering is evil. Thanks for your video it was very inspirational. Cheers from Italy
I’m glad you enjoyed it all the way in Italy! 🇮🇹 🌎 🇺🇸
Why is perseverance evil when all else fails perseverance prevails?
@@silverfoxidm because it does
Thank you for this video. It took a lot of courage to post it! I'm in the home stretch of my private journey!
This is one of the most informative videos on this topic. Thanks for the information and honesty. It will help many others. You KNOW this stuff. It will be a temporary setback for you.
Wow. This was not my experience at all. It’s been like 15 years, but you seem way more prepared than I remember being. I can’t imagine passing the checkride with the four hour ground portion and the way you’ve described your DPE.
That’s pretty crazy. Especially since you explained the aerodynamics and everything. It’s not like you just didn’t know what to do. I have seen people pass who didn’t even know what a forward slip was or how to do one which is crazy
I’ve heard of worse stories than mine with a passing grade. The numbers say we are safer pilots as the years progress so maybe it’s a good thing not everyone is passing. I’m trying to take what I can and learn from it.
Am about to take my checkride for my Cherokee 235, am on hold for the corona virus. Using the delay for extra study . Thanks for the video. It was at once helpful and anxiety producing. God Bless and happy flying !
Ahh man! This virus is messing EVERYTHING up! I’m glad GA hasn’t been shut down. Good luck on your ride! Let me know when you pass! Shoot me a photo at captaincharliebravo@yahoo.com of you passing and I’ll share it on the channel. I’d like to start celebrating my subscriber successes!
This is very helpful to me - thank you!
You will look back on this "failure" as something that ended up being very positive for you (if you don't already).
I'm still fairly early on in my training (just soloed!) and I've noticed the same lack of clarity for takeoff with flaps in the POH for the 172. Surprised that caused you to fail the entire checkride - but I'll definitely be brushing up on ALL of my knowledge as much as possible before I reach that point. It sounds like you had done the same, and from the comments it sounds like you may have had a VERY thorough DPE.
Congratulations on your solo! That’s the best feeling in the world. There’s general characteristics of aerodynamics that standardize configurations in almost all airplanes. It’s important to fully understand all of the variables you’re dealing with in each individual situation to ensure you mitigate as much risk as possible. When in doubt, ask. I wish you good luck and safe flying through your training!
Congrats on passing. Was your instructor a young guy? Surprised he didn’t know the flap settings on a 150. pretty much standard practice to get an airplane as light as possible when taking off or landing on a soft surface (for any model). I commend you for sharing your experience. Check rides are something most every pilot remembers, good or bad. Good luck on you pilot career path.
My instructor was a 35 year pilot with 20,000+ hours. We read the POH, asked around and spoke to many other professional resources and there were a lot of mixed opinions on this. We collectively came to the conclusion it was discretionary and not mandatory, DPE didn't agree. Either way, it was corrected for, demonstrated, and deemed satisfactory on the second run. Thanks for taking the time to watch and share your thoughts!
Dude, you are my new hero. People who tell the truth and are honest with their self and others and don't deflect or try to blame others, to me are stellar. You'll be fine and you know that. It's obvious to me. It's obvious to others. Thanks for sharing.
I'd love to pet that doggo of yours.
Thanks man! I’m just trying to keep it real. Failing sucks. Helping others makes me feel good. And the pooch...he happens to be a big fan of “the pets”. 😎🐶
Thank you thank you very much for posting this.. even at this time of unpleasant outcome .It is really helpful,I wish and I am sure you will be a great pilot in the near future...
Never give up! a "mistake" is a learning experience.
It was an experience to remember!
I'm prepping for my commercial checkride now and even having done a private and instrument ride already, these are the kinds of issues I'm always kind of worried about. I'm pretty confident in my overall piloting ability. It's the idea that some technical issue will come up like this and I'll get failed on it even though I know it was a pilot discretion call. Vast majority of DPEs I know are very kind, fair minded individuals, but this happens sometimes. It's frustrating because there isn't much you can do when it does.
Except appeal with the FSDO...but who wants to bark up that tree!? Good luck on your ride! Let me know how it goes!
Awesome video, thanks for being able to share your experience. Just took my checkride a few weeks ago. Oddly enough I was most nervous about the oral portion, but I absolutely passed that part with no problem whatsoever, but on my first landing I overshot my touchdown point and failed my soft/ short field landings. It caught me by surprise for sure because its something ive done a million times over and over again with no issue whatsoever. So now I have to go back next week and do the rest of the flight. It was extremely discouraging for sure, I had all the confidence in the world I would pass, and yet I think now im more nervous now than I was the first time, but on the flip side It gave me a new found respect for GA pilots that I just can’t explain
Absolutely my pleasure! It’s funny how on the spot we all feel when we’ve been literally cramming aviation into every crevice of our brains for months. Even though my oral was super long I actually really enjoyed that part.
Sorry to hear about the busted ride...especially for the same thing I missed on! Do yourself a favor and take your CFI with you into the shortest (safest) field nearby your training airport and practice there. It really helps with the power management aspects which is really what nailing those are all about. I did that before my second test and was super confident going back in.
You got this! Let me know when you pass!
Good attitude! Never give up on your dream. You will get there
I failed my instrument due to an improper hold, made me understand the concepts weren't clear to me and I should've spoken up when I didn't fully understand something. Very humbling experience indeed. Funny, I ask my instructor for a hold or two every time we get a chance now. And no training flights until May due to the virus, I better figure something out quick.
Bummer...good idea to keep current on the weak points. I practice each maneuver every time I fly now.
I’m about to fly my XC Solo eval on Monday and have been anxious for everything ahead. I’ve made some mistakes along the way (as we all do) and really needed to see that I’m not alone. Thanks for sharing!
Lauren Ascher that’s awesome!!! My cross country was kind of interesting because I’m on the coast. I planned on taking a trip from Carlsbad up to Torrance and about a half an hour before I left, the coastal marine layer started to move east. Luckily I had already planned an alternate to San Bernardino but that was also interesting since I had never been there. Flying on your first cross country to an airport I’d never even seen before was a solid test of my ability. I wish you the best of luck and I’d love to hear an update about how it went!
I failed on my first attempt at my PPL as well due to rushing through a VOR procedure. I was pretty disappointed with myself but I picked myself up, learned, passed, and now I’m in instrument training and doing well as I make my way to an ATP rating. We only fail if we quit, just gotta keep going! Great video
I recently just got my Commercial MEL in February, prior to my disapproval I only had a single engine ILS left on my initial checkride and unfortunately botched it. DPE told me that all we had to do was just the single engine ILS retest and that was it. Afterward it did kick me and left me with a lesson to learn from. My private ride was about the same other than I botched a power off stall. Your DPE sounded almost like you were given a commercial checkride, oral of 3-4 hrs sounded pretty brutal, some stuff we do have to know but it's really a starting point. Keep up the work and never give up! Safe flying
For sure. It’s not the end of the world and I’ve learned such an amazing amount of information and technique in the last year it’s unbelievable. It’s crazy to think that it’s just the starting point but then again, that’s why I love it so much. Thanks for watching!
I was ready to throw up by the time my check ride was complete. Maybe one of the most stressful events of my life. Was sure I failed, but I didn't. Your story was really interesting. Your attention to detail is great and you seem to know your stuff. This video was posted 9 months ago. I hope you've had success by the time I'm viewing this. Cheers!
[edit: I also think the examiner was wrong for failing you]
Yeah...pretty nerve wracking to have someone you don't know scrutinizing every move you make. I made it through and have since gotten my tailwheel endorsement and currently am working on my instrument. Thanks for watching!
@@CaptainCharlieBravo She sounds like a hard-core beeyotch. Glad you are doing well!!!
Wow that seems incredibly hard , you must have been exhausted after the ground check, not sure what they do in uk but I feel for you , I used to be a tram driver and the check drive was really hard for them but your check seems very hard , I wish you best when you re-do it , let us know how you get on
It was tough for sure but that's why I love it. I went on to pass a few weeks later.
Greetings from Mexico City,
Thank you for sharing your story. God bless you and hope you pass your checkride.
manuel sandez greetings! I’m happy your share. Check out the update video, I passed! Have a great day!
Hi thank you for the video SORRY for the outcome but very glad you are going ahead with it as you have plenty of time love the confidence guaranteed you do it next time
You're going to make a fine Pilot. Very impressive knowledge for the actual hours flown. Good Luck. I watched this because I expected you have made a major mistake. Great advice. Tough inspector.
Thanks Don! I appreciate the kind words. I look forward to my continued training and growth.
Spot on Sir ,say know more
I passed my RPP check ride, but barely. During taxi, I forgot to check that my compass was free and floating, and that my heading indicator was tracking. It’s the small things like that that can almost fail you! Good luck!
Jonah Sohmer to be honest, I take pride in the fact that not everyone has what it takes to be a pilot. Being this hard makes it all worth it in the end. If it was too easy, I wouldn’t love it as much!
These comments are so supportive and inspirational. Amidst all the negative stories we hear about social media and the like, this is rather heartening.
Like Bo below...I too am a private, USAF, NWA/Delta Captain with over 20,000 hrs., now retired. Great self-analysis and learning. You'll go far in aviation... from one aviator to another--all the best!
Thank you! 20,000! That’s awesome. What was/is your favorite aircraft to fly?
I just love that you own it. I'm studying for my checkride and close to 80 hours... Took 50 hours just to figure out my landings... I'm not happy with that but I got my landings down now..at least I'm not nervous about them anymore. Knowledge I got but memory is not my strong suit. My brain is fried now so I'm watching videos. Your oral sound horrid. Can't imagine flying after all that!
It turned out to be a good test of my nerves. I took on a heavy work load and kept my composure. Good to know for developing improved task management.
Good talk. I remember doing the faa check ride. I honestly at the end had absolutely know idea if I passed in fact I thought it may be a fail. The lady chatted to me down a corridor about the effects of stress on people just general chit chat and then said oh by the way you did pass. Took me half hour to sink in.
Thanks! That must be why they say fly it all the way to the car. Test isn't over until they say so!
Captain Charlie Bravo ha ha true
Hi Charlie. I felt your heartbreak man. I had a similar experience where I made an error in the traffic pattern and failed my first Private checkride too. Learn from it and more importantly, grow from it. Be a better pilot bcos of your errors. A good pilot is always learning, remember that.
True story. Months have passed now and so has the disappointment. Just a speed bump.
First of all, I commend you for making a video of this nature, i don’t believe I’ve seen a video like this where someone is mature enough to turn a checkride bust into an educational and informative video for thousands of aspiring aviators. When you get to the airlines they love asking questions about prior failures and they want to hear how you learned from them and moved forward. What happened is unfortunate, and I feel today more than ever DPEs are cracking down on Private Pilot checkrides, the ACS is the ACS and im aware standards need to be held, and this is a big foundation moving forward in your aviation career...after listening to you speak its apparent that you worked extremely hard, you are very passionate and have a great understanding of the materials you were required to know. I feel like I wasn’t nearly as prepared as you when I took my private ride back in 2004...but the DPE looked at me as he gave me my temporary cert. and he said “This is your license to learn now” and was he ever right. You will continue to learn, re-learn and fine tune your skills and flying for the rest of your career. We all make mistakes and have uncertainties at every possible level of flying, but we learn and grow and move onto the next. You may also want to consider a new DPE next ride, my CFI initial wasnt even a 4 hour oral! A little excessive in my opinion. I also find DPEs with a high pass rate get the FAA a little suspicious, so perhaps she was being extremely picky and found just enough to get you, and even out her P/F rate. Also keep in mind it is your right to discontinue a checkride and any point you deem necessary! Just for future reference. Thats just my 2 cents. Congratulations on passing your ride! Congratulations on continuing to pursue your passion, dont let anything stop you! This is an incredible industry, despite the things happening today, it will bounce back stronger than ever! The old saying is true, do what you love and you’ll never work a day in your life! Hope to see you in the terminals soon. Best of luck to you!
I really appreciate your thoughtful feedback! I’ll be choosing a new CFI and DPE for my advanced ratings. One would hate to think someone would fail just for the sake of a P/F statistic but I can’t say it hadn’t crossed my mind. I’ve never found something I’m so passionate about and you’re absolutely right. I don’t plan on working another day in my life once I become a professional pilot. I’ll continue to remain humble, learn as much as I can from every flight and experience, and work towards being a valuable addition to the world of professional aviators. Thanks again for watching!
You had a tough DPE. Don't let it discourage you.
For sure. I took it on the chin and passed 3 weeks later. Been flying all over for months.
I’m a 75/76 captain, been flying for over 25 years now, and I’m sure I’d fail a private check ride if I took it today. Only difference is I’d give her a good piece of my mind afterwards.
My older pilot buddies have all said the same. I guess things have tightened up over the years in the name of safety statistics.
I appreciate your perspective and attitude. It is a ton to remember!
It sure is! Thanks a lot! 😎
Thanks for being vulnerable and sharing your experiences.
I am an ex military and civilian instructor pilot and airline pilot. Have done a million check rides, have given the same. That was BS pure and simple. There is something else going on there with that DPE. After you pass, I would write the FAA and the instructor should do the same.
Seems like a lot of people on here agree! 🧐
Yep the part about “are you sure”... Don’t ever go against the FAA even if you can explain it. I’ve seen cases of Aviators trying to hold on to their pride knowing they’re right but it never goes well.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely I guess.
Very helpful. Thank you sir. Great Attitude in owning it up and being positive. This would take you places. Good luck!
I’m glad it helped! You’re welcome. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for your candid review and lessons learned about your check ride experience. I'm sure you learned a lot from this event and I truly believe you'll be a better and safer pilot because of it. I hope to someday be sitting in the back of an airliner you are PIC of.
I learned a lot from the experience. Make sure to thank your captain and you might just recognize him! :)
'It is better to make a mistake that makes you humble than achievements that make you arrogant'.
I made a mistake on my first solo out of the circuit pattern (to the practice area). I flew Terminal altitude within the control zone (airspace matters). In Canada they can issue a cador but they didnt.
So true! Arrogance has no place in aviation.
Interesting story. Sorry you failed, but you owned the results and I have infinite respect for you. Personally think that the examiner was pretty short about the event. It clearly wasn’t dangerous because she let you accomplish the maneuver without intervention. She could have discussed the matter with you on the spot and have you reaccomplish the takeoff. Then had a chat post flight to make sure you understood her concerns. I say all this because of your professional demeanor and attitude is that you are obviously all about learning and understanding.
I’m sure all this is behind you now and thanks again for the video.... best luck!
Thanks for your support! Yeah...I felt the same way. Apparently these DPE’s have had to be real tight because of how many students our pilot factories are putting through the system. I’ve even heard of some having their DPE being examined as well during their check ride so it could have been worse! 😬
Captain Charlie Bravo Giving a check ride is a hard thing to do, it requires you to extend quite a bit of judgement into a situation. My main focus is on attitude and demeanor, because that is the actual driver for current and future learning, as well as to the level of care and caution that one possesses in the air. Coupled with the fact the young pilot has been signed off and observed in a training environment by normally several other instructors, the default result should lean towards passing. Unfortunately, not all see it the way I do, and will down a pilot for one mistake. There is ALWAYS more to the story, on both sides. So take everything with a grain of salt. But watching your demeanor I would happily sit beside you on a four day trip and we could talk flying till we bleed. I wish this virus fiasco wasn’t screwing up our livelihood like it is, so time will tell on that. Have faith and hang in there. It’s an amazing profession, just weird as all getup.
Great video dude. I did all my training years ago. Passed my written, and never took the check ride. I’m planing to finish up and get my ticket soon. So this was a so Erik g reminder to sharpen up on all the stuff I learned way back when... time to study up again.
Thanks! Sounds like it shouldn’t take you long to get back in the swing of things. Let me know when you pass!
Bro you seem Uber prepared! This sounds like a super hard check ride! Your ability to recall the flight like you did is that of an experienced aviator. Don’t know why she crushed you. Keep your head up and keep trucking! I think you’ll make a really good pilot. Also, love the humility! I’m a military aviator training to be a Navy Jet Pilot and having this ability to do what you’ve done in this video is what we look for bro! Hooyahhh!!!
Thanks for your confidence! This is not the type of skill that has any room for cockiness! Take me for a ride when you get there! I kind of regret not getting into this sooner and going the air force route.
Captain Charlie Bravo I don’t know how old you are but the US Navy accepts applicants up to 32!
You handled the aircraft safely and knowledgeable. You explained WHY you did what you did, its not like a C150 needs over 2000' lol. She could've corrected your logic and sent you on your way IMO. Your Private is a ticket to continue to learn. Good luck next time!
Thanks for your support!
When I took my check ride my CFI held me back until I had at least 60 hours as the local DPE was notorious for finding and accentuating flaws leading to the disapproval of candidates short of that experience level. Just sayin'. Appreciate the candor and detailed analysis.
Rick Randall yeah...I imagine some may be turned off by the thought of a 40 hour pilot. 🤔
That DPE is a money grubber. I had some DPE's that did the same thing, and they didn't work for me for very long.
Rick R That is BS. He is making you spend over 2 thousands dollars more even if you are good now at say 42 hours.
Nice candid video. It's good that you own the issue, you clearly know your stuff and no one will ever ask you about failing a pvt checkride in a commercial interview. Seems like that was more of a disconnect between you and your instructor, rather than a lack of proficiency in performing the maneuver. One miss on your part is not having a checklist with all of that in the plane. No matter how simple, I always have my students refer to the checklist for all TOs and Ldgs (especially emergencies) and then there can be no disagreements over procedures. NB for future rides - have a comprehensive checklist with you at all times. CFI/MEI/CFII
Thanks for the humility and heads up!
Thanks for watching!
.I should have failed my check ride, but he passed me?.....When I called a tower airport to radio our position...I said I was "5 miles north of field"....my Flight Examiner chuckled...Clicked the mike, and said...."sorry we are 5 miles SOUTH of the field".....that's a 10 mile mistake!..i thought i failed right there.
Also before the flight he asked me what was the hardest for me to do flying a plane..."a xwind landing" I answered.......on our last landing, he deliberately chose a x-wind runway.....during my flare....he screamed at me....."KEEP THAT WING DOWN!!! KEEP YOUR DAMN F***ING WING DOWN!!!!!!" nearly at the top of his lungs..........as we rolled out he said......."THERE, you can do a x-wind landing...."
I taxied back...silence, no one said a thing...i shut the plane down. felt like an eternity.....(I knew I failed).........then he says......"I like your style......you pass"
Nothing like a little stress to hammer the point in! Love it.
Dude, that DPE did you dirty. However, that experience will be great on your road to professional certs.
Couldn’t buy that kind of life lesson!
Great video, and thanks for sharing. When in doubt; ALWAYS verify and clarify any ambiguity. Its no different than triple checking systems that disagree, or actual vs. observed information from instruments.
Such a mature way of dealing with that erm differing opinion on flap deviation. You seem sanguine about it...I think you will go far with that.
I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching!
I'm a student pilot and have a long way to go before the checkride. Thanks for this informative video. It sounds like she has an issue or something given your tone of voice and the comments of other pilots below. Don't the instructors know about which examiners are ball busters and which are not? It sounds like the checkride is more about optimal test taking techniques than pure airmanship. My instructor is emphasizing "being one with the plane" and "getting a feel for the airflow". It sounds like your experience was more about the FAA bureacracy. Glad you eventually made it but I would have just turned the controls over to her and gotten another examiner.
Flying by feeling is OK but as you start stepping up into larger and more complex aircraft you really need to be able to fly things by the book. I’ve learned my lesson and look forward to that progression. Thanks for watching!
I wonder what this particular DPE's fail rate is.
Maybe the FAA needs to give HER a check ride.
Man...if only that data was public...
@@CaptainCharlieBravo The DPE I had for my private checkride was actually quite helpful. Most of them WANT to pass you.
She was looking to see that I was safe and competent, NOT perfect.
As has been said many times, the private pilot certificate is your license to LEARN.
@@bryansimmons4550 , correct thats what my instructor told me, now that you have your ticket; now go learn to fly!😉👍
In the early 1980' when i was on training, i had a HER cfi , didnt take me long to see her agenda, dumped HER and aquired a male instructor, things quickly improved,
She kinda said. Use flaps. He’s sounds like a great pilot just had a bad day. We all have that.
Great vid and honest cause most people are scared to say they failed, so kudos to u. She was definitely tuff and I would spread the word on her so they don’t use her again.
I appreciate the support and I’m glad you enjoyed the video!
Wow, sounds like a tough one. Much more detail than when I did it back in the early eighties. Good luck on your endeavors. I know that the airlines really need pilots. They are even helping with training. Hope you can get involved in that if needed. Sounds like you are doing well. It took me 56 hrs to get my license.