I really like your take about Magic. With the permit locked Witch's Reach system, and us now knowing the planet, Cauldron, is in there that's a big clue to its presence within the storyline. A Cauldron is the source of a witch's power. That Pratchett connection was totally new news to me. Seems relevant, as more than a simple nod.
Pratchett is very well known/read in Britain. I suspect, like so many other references/homages, that it could just be random coincidence or confirmation bias. That said, every idea is worthy of investigation and the journey is far more rewarding than the treasure.
The amount of info as well as the reach required for this small compilation is breath taking. I had only touched bits of it all wile playing. And would never have had this grasp even in the years ahead on my own
@@MATTIUS name it what you like. It is like any research, serious lab research as well as research for fun. Takes time, effort and organization. My respects
I really loved the music and footage at the end. I liked the poem at the end of your other video recently. Great videos. I was watching a stream earlier today, about Elite. The theme was " where do you plan to be, when Odyssey kicks in??" Mattius? Or anybody that wants to share. I plan to head to the Pleides and see what changes happen, visually or otherwise. I haven't been out there yet, so I think it will be a very interesting way to begin my own Chapter in Odyssey.
Well done, Commander. I am currently off on my own journey, with only my intuition to guide me. Something has called me out there. I do not know what I will find, or if/when I will find it. I am in the Formidine Rift now. Stumbled on to one system, Syreadiae JX-F c0, and found a long abandoned megaship, The Zurara. 7 logs there. I won't spoil it. Plotting my courses manually. Found a fair sized area with very few stars in it. I've been finding crystal shard sites too, near the borders of the Elysium Shores. I will keep going deeper in to the Rift. Thanks for sharing you theories with us. o7
I'm unaware of a connection between crystals and data storage in real life. Quartz is used for the Piezoelectric effect in oscillators and speakers/microphones. This doesn't mean there aren't really good ways to store data in crystals, but if you are purely looking at it from a real-life perspective- which I fully realize you are including other reference- there are many things I would jump to before data storage for a possible use-case.
Great video Mattius. I'm hoping with the release of Odyssey we might get a few answers to some.of these rabbit hole mysteries that Elite has sent us down, just one would be nice.
I know that the thargoid map room reacts to Guardian technology being inserted into it. I wonder what happens if you put a SAP 8 container in there? If it reacts the same way that might be a confirmation that it's guardian tech.
For a long time I've used long distance passenger missions to augment exploration income. You got me wondering if the destinations are hints or clues pointing us to areas of space requiring more careful inquiry.
A great call with the link to Cmdr Guru, one of a few people I would call upon if I was ever first to find. Is there a resource page anywhere where SAP 8's have been methodically used to interact with features in game e.g. Guardian and Thargoid sites that you know of? Another smashing vid.
TINFOIL TRANSMISSION FOLLOWS: Has anyone tried feeding the S.A.P Eight to an interceptor? The thargoids appear to be searching for something they've not found. We know they take OEP's. What if, like other puzzles in the game, specifically, Guardian obelisks and the Thargoid Machines/ Motherships that require the correct recipe or combination of items to be presented is what is happening in one of those NHSS debris fields where the Interceptor is not immediatly hostile but looking for something. I have tried it with Soontil relics and earth relics, both are glanced at by the (thin) yellow beam before it moves on as if it isn't what it is looking for. What if they are searching for SAP8+Soontil Relics+OEP from a dark wheel ship? Does the SAP8 have anything at all to do with Thargoids, Soontil and the Dark Wheel?
Omg this is what I was waiting for! Just got some of those few days ago. I had a few ideas. Feeding it to thargoid interceptor along with some meta alloys, feeding it to the thargoid machine. See what it does. Probably nothing but we shall see. Btw I was bit disappointed they didn't let you talk much in the last elite week podcast mate.
Honestly i work best when I have written my thoughts down and are well rehearsed to what I am going to say. Me with a few beers in my belly tends to make off the cuff remarks. Those guys do a great job extensively researching all news when it comes to elite. Thanks though man. Honestly it means a lot.
All those things can produce power and probably distribute to utilize such power . If the dark wheel is a low power facility, and dark wheel ships carry that commodity it my tinfoil thought for the day
if anyone is wondering about the song at the end of this awesome Mattius video, it's "Race Against Time" by Hampus Naeselius (The next Hanz Zimmer imo)
S.A.P. could simply mean something along the lines of "Storage And Preservation" as it stores those crystals. And the eight is obviously 8 or infinity. Now what the crystals contain or do is a complete mystery. But that they are found together with antimatter and Hafnium 178, which both are extremely dangerous in the wrong hands either mean those three things are used together or just underline their significance and the secrecy and potential danger they bring. Of course maybe you could use both Hafnium as a gamma ray emitter and antimatter as an energy source. so it is likely (if those thress things are connected) that you need a lot of energy to do "something" with the crystals in the SAP8 containers.
My thoughts on the gateway hypothesis is covered In my signal video. I do think it is a thing in the game, i just dont think it is I accessable right now.
The hunt for SAP 8 containers was an interesting challenge. I built a ship specifically to chase down the Military Couriers into Anarchy Systems and disable them before stealing their Cargo. It took a while to figure it out as the Ships always had heavy armed wing mates, and always had 3 or 4 point defence turrets that kill ya Limpets. So by the time you have taking down the shields and point defence there’s not much left of the Hull. But if you successfully, disable the ships drives and point defence without destroying it you can rape the Cargo. I have containers of SAP 8 (and even stranger I have 8) on my Fleet Carrier but have not tried any experimentation with them yet. Anyone have any burning desire to test something specific ?
Hey matt loving these videos, would throw you some coffee but Its foreign currency so idk if it would work. Question though, will it work? For real question this time: in this video you said "Often found on dark wheel ships" .... Please elaborate on these ships as a google search turns up nothin of note. There are dark wheel ships roaming about? How are they identified? This might be a very good lead to follow who knows what else they might drop if they exist.
The S.A.P Containers are currently found in High threat military convoys. Basically blow the ships up in these types of signal sources and they could drop out of the wreckages of those ships. They were connected to missions that the dark wheel faction handed out but these mission were removed. Ko.fi work through paypal, so any donation is sent via paypal, just facilitated through ko fi.
@@MATTIUS also 3 and 7, although an octal is a number between 0 and 7 and can group into 3's to form binary code. This method has been seen in game with the Merope spectrograph. Perhaps an audio analysis of the Sap8 is warranted?
Will check it out in audacity. It does seem that 8 is in fact a special number in this game and elite in general. 8th moon. Octaganol thargoids. 8 galaxies in original elite. I think the number element is worth noting.
@@MATTIUS 2,3,4,7 and their factors were special in ancient Egyptian culture. You also need 6 points or coordinates for a location in space. Is the Path of Souls the route to Raxxla?
just so you know. there is no Terry Pratchett novel called "Discworld". there are some 40-odd books in the Discworld series but not one of them is called Discworld.
Just for fun i took S.A.P and converted it to the corresponding numbers of the alphabet "19116" Turns out HIP 19116 is a real system close to the Witch Head nebula.
if the crystals could hold data i wonder if the dark wheel i wondering if there is a crystal out there with the location of raxxla or are the crystals coming from raxxla been playing this game since 2015 and there are still so many mysteries
@@MATTIUS since i got your attention, something caught my attention. There is a soundtrack title listed Exploration neutral Hoags object. These exploration files i think are when you discover certain objects or systems. Its odd this is listed under exploration since the hoags object is a ringed galaxy outside the milky way. We cant get to it...or can we? There are some other strange "connections", being in the Serpens constellation...its also has a ringed galaxy INSIDE it...a wheel in a wheel...it also has the main star of cornea borealis pointing straight at it as well as the head of the serpens constellation pointing at it....why is this exploration soundtrack in the game if its not explorable? Strange
Cmdr Mattius, did you by any chance watch Drew Wagar's stream this past Thursday?... If not, it is truly the kind of coincidence that deserves a proper tinfoil crown.
Honestly i did not. I am aware that he was given a S.A.P 8. i can prove this with this link. soundcloud.com/mattius-320613732/raxxla-sap-8/s-IrMXFZgF2Z0 was sent gurus parts before this.
Two problems with your history there. 1. The Elite Ranked Dark Wheel unique missions were what was removed years ago. Not the SAP 8 cores (supposedly) themselves. They may have been moved to military courier convoys immediately afterwards. We don't know. The wider community didn't pick up on their connection until just a couple years ago. They were simply _assumed_ removed prior. 2. The Dark Wheel faction is not unique in it military courier's contents. Really _any_ system in a state of civil war, with a high enough population, will produce them. No matter what faction.
I've been wondering for a while now (and yes, this would probably be the most anticlimactic way of uncovering what raxxla truly is) has anyone gone through the game files on pc to see if there are any signs pointing to raxxla or even more, raxxla itself?
Extensively. All data in regards to locations are stored server side. So although we know of hints to what is coming, nothing is known as to secret locations or assets that are connected to Raxxla.
@@MATTIUS so they have everything well covered, huh? Despite what they end up revealing us, frontier definitively knows how to keep us waiting for more
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I really like your take about Magic. With the permit locked Witch's Reach system, and us now knowing the planet, Cauldron, is in there that's a big clue to its presence within the storyline. A Cauldron is the source of a witch's power. That Pratchett connection was totally new news to me. Seems relevant, as more than a simple nod.
That amongst other Pratchet links we know of. Just seems strange to me.
I never heard of the Pratchett
Wow . Mind blown
Pratchett is very well known/read in Britain. I suspect, like so many other references/homages, that it could just be random coincidence or confirmation bias. That said, every idea is worthy of investigation and the journey is far more rewarding than the treasure.
"if you have not already equipped your tinfoil, please do now"
That statement is honestly perfect
😁
The amount of info as well as the reach required for this small compilation is breath taking. I had only touched bits of it all wile playing. And would never have had this grasp even in the years ahead on my own
Google is great friend of mine haha.
@@MATTIUS name it what you like. It is like any research, serious lab research as well as research for fun.
Takes time, effort and organization. My respects
Good work commander's, we are blessed with your knowledge
Cheers for the watch man. Glad you enjoy the channel.
Thanks for the shout out
Glad your finally getting attention from a fellow Elite TH-camr
Personally never heard of SAP 8 before
Everyone's been really awesome as it is. Loads of support from some great people. Thanks again Thea. Means a lot 🙂
I really loved the music and footage at the end. I liked the poem at the end of your other video recently. Great videos. I was watching a stream earlier today, about Elite. The theme was " where do you plan to be, when Odyssey kicks in??" Mattius? Or anybody that wants to share. I plan to head to the Pleides and see what changes happen, visually or otherwise. I haven't been out there yet, so I think it will be a very interesting way to begin my own Chapter in Odyssey.
The Thetis Generation ship, hiding in the vent while my tracker is going off... Bleep Bleep Bleep
Always love your intro "disclaimers" 👌🏻. Content is top notch too
I always upvote Pratchett. Great idea!
Only read Mort as a child!
Well done, Commander. I am currently off on my own journey, with only my intuition to guide me. Something has called me out there. I do not know what I will find, or if/when I will find it. I am in the Formidine Rift now. Stumbled on to one system, Syreadiae JX-F c0, and found a long abandoned megaship, The Zurara. 7 logs there. I won't spoil it.
Plotting my courses manually. Found a fair sized area with very few stars in it. I've been finding crystal shard sites too, near the borders of the Elysium Shores. I will keep going deeper in to the Rift.
Thanks for sharing you theories with us. o7
Yeah been out that way. It's a beautiful place. o7 Matt.
I'm unaware of a connection between crystals and data storage in real life. Quartz is used for the Piezoelectric effect in oscillators and speakers/microphones. This doesn't mean there aren't really good ways to store data in crystals, but if you are purely looking at it from a real-life perspective- which I fully realize you are including other reference- there are many things I would jump to before data storage for a possible use-case.
It is somewhat of a sci fi staple to have data Crystal's plus in real life is a future tech, first achieved at Southampton university.
I bought Alien Worlds because of you and CMDRGURU 🤪
How much$$$ ? That book is rare
Great video Mattius. I'm hoping with the release of Odyssey we might get a few answers to some.of these rabbit hole mysteries that Elite has sent us down, just one would be nice.
I am hopeful they realise how popular these types of aspects within the game are.
Ok but like, I've been off the hunt for 2 years.... Why did the sight of this video fill me with so much hope?
I guess i want this game to be as cool as it should be :)
Just found your channel, wish I'd found it sooner. :)
Welcome.
I know that the thargoid map room reacts to Guardian technology being inserted into it. I wonder what happens if you put a SAP 8 container in there? If it reacts the same way that might be a confirmation that it's guardian tech.
Great stuff man. will be included on tonight's show and I PROMISE no spoilers... :)
Cheers guys. Have one on me.
Yet another quality video from you Mattius 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks 🙂
For a long time I've used long distance passenger missions to augment exploration income. You got me wondering if the destinations are hints or clues pointing us to areas of space requiring more careful inquiry.
Some of the tourist beacon write-ups are very cryptic. Cupid's arrow is one such place.
other great video commander o7 very much enjoyed
Glad you enjoyed it Scott.
Awesome content, Im new to the raxxla story and these videos are super handy
Welcome
A great call with the link to Cmdr Guru, one of a few people I would call upon if I was ever first to find. Is there a resource page anywhere where SAP 8's have been methodically used to interact with features in game e.g. Guardian and Thargoid sites that you know of? Another smashing vid.
I will have a look for you. Cheers
No pages. But I've personally tested them out at various locations. No unique interactions with anything. Not Thargoids. Not guardians.
TINFOIL TRANSMISSION FOLLOWS:
Has anyone tried feeding the S.A.P Eight to an interceptor? The thargoids appear to be searching for something they've not found. We know they take OEP's. What if, like other puzzles in the game, specifically, Guardian obelisks and the Thargoid Machines/ Motherships that require the correct recipe or combination of items to be presented is what is happening in one of those NHSS debris fields where the Interceptor is not immediatly hostile but looking for something. I have tried it with Soontil relics and earth relics, both are glanced at by the (thin) yellow beam before it moves on as if it isn't what it is looking for. What if they are searching for SAP8+Soontil Relics+OEP from a dark wheel ship? Does the SAP8 have anything at all to do with Thargoids, Soontil and the Dark Wheel?
An interesting idea. Also, trinkets of hidden fortune. I might go grab some and drop them off at some Goids to see what they do.
Im bad with acronyms what's an OEP?
Raxxla = Discworld CONFIRMED :)
Omg this is what I was waiting for! Just got some of those few days ago. I had a few ideas. Feeding it to thargoid interceptor along with some meta alloys, feeding it to the thargoid machine. See what it does. Probably nothing but we shall see.
Btw I was bit disappointed they didn't let you talk much in the last elite week podcast mate.
Honestly i work best when I have written my thoughts down and are well rehearsed to what I am going to say. Me with a few beers in my belly tends to make off the cuff remarks. Those guys do a great job extensively researching all news when it comes to elite. Thanks though man. Honestly it means a lot.
How about dropping it into Delphi's oracle? I have tried with Soontill Relics, but it did not accept.
@@k_dutch What is so special about that station? By dropping you mean selling to the market?
The Oracle is connected to homers odyssey, connected to the name of the incoming expansion
@@cmdroddsockeater611 I was talking about the Thargoid device, which is the real Oracle. You drop things in it, and it shows you stuff.
Thank foi for another video that ignites magic and dream in my coal heart
All those things can produce power and probably distribute to utilize such power . If the dark wheel is a low power facility, and dark wheel ships carry that commodity it my tinfoil thought for the day
Has anyone ever tried presenting one of these Dark Wheel cargo containers with the Thargoid machine?
if anyone is wondering about the song at the end of this awesome Mattius video, it's "Race Against Time" by
Hampus Naeselius (The next Hanz Zimmer imo)
Available on epidemic sound for a very reasonable price. Awesome song.
S.A.P. could simply mean something along the lines of "Storage And Preservation" as it stores those crystals. And the eight is obviously 8 or infinity. Now what the crystals contain or do is a complete mystery. But that they are found together with antimatter and Hafnium 178, which both are extremely dangerous in the wrong hands either mean those three things are used together or just underline their significance and the secrecy and potential danger they bring. Of course maybe you could use both Hafnium as a gamma ray emitter and antimatter as an energy source. so it is likely (if those thress things are connected) that you need a lot of energy to do "something" with the crystals in the SAP8 containers.
Interesting stuff cmdr... you have a sub... o7
Thank you!
Great work commander! Did it cross your mind it being a Sagittarius A Portal?
Hey RezaB. Great work you do also.
@@MATTIUS thank you a lot. I guess you know I believe Raxxla is actually in game.
Yeah but that is fine my dude. I hope you find success in finding whatever it is.
My thoughts on the gateway hypothesis is covered In my signal video. I do think it is a thing in the game, i just dont think it is I accessable right now.
@@MATTIUS that is a perfectly reasonable stance... thnx for the watch tip, going to rewatch your signal video now
The hunt for SAP 8 containers was an interesting challenge. I built a ship specifically to chase down the Military Couriers into Anarchy Systems and disable them before stealing their Cargo. It took a while to figure it out as the Ships always had heavy armed wing mates, and always had 3 or 4 point defence turrets that kill ya Limpets. So by the time you have taking down the shields and point defence there’s not much left of the Hull. But if you successfully, disable the ships drives and point defence without destroying it you can rape the Cargo. I have containers of SAP 8 (and even stranger I have 8) on my Fleet Carrier but have not tried any experimentation with them yet. Anyone have any burning desire to test something specific ?
I think there are some people who have experimented with them. Nothing confirmed from my end though.
Hey matt loving these videos, would throw you some coffee but Its foreign currency so idk if it would work. Question though, will it work? For real question this time: in this video you said "Often found on dark wheel ships" .... Please elaborate on these ships as a google search turns up nothin of note. There are dark wheel ships roaming about? How are they identified? This might be a very good lead to follow who knows what else they might drop if they exist.
The S.A.P Containers are currently found in High threat military convoys. Basically blow the ships up in these types of signal sources and they could drop out of the wreckages of those ships. They were connected to missions that the dark wheel faction handed out but these mission were removed. Ko.fi work through paypal, so any donation is sent via paypal, just facilitated through ko fi.
@@MATTIUS Thanks for replying to all my messages, went on a little binge. Keep fighting the good fight. Ill bring the tin foil next video
Thargoids seem to 'think' or at least communicate in octals. Perhaps the shards are Guardian databases concerning them?
There seems to be significance with the number 8 in general.
@@MATTIUS also 3 and 7, although an octal is a number between 0 and 7 and can group into 3's to form binary code. This method has been seen in game with the Merope spectrograph. Perhaps an audio analysis of the Sap8 is warranted?
Will check it out in audacity. It does seem that 8 is in fact a special number in this game and elite in general. 8th moon. Octaganol thargoids. 8 galaxies in original elite. I think the number element is worth noting.
@@MATTIUS 2,3,4,7 and their factors were special in ancient Egyptian culture. You also need 6 points or coordinates for a location in space. Is the Path of Souls the route to Raxxla?
You mean the boat ride underneth the pyramids?
Sorry I'm late. I was on a tin mining expedition to make sure I could make enough foil for us all.
Got a discount code for me? these 5g alien waves are starting to change me...
@@MATTIUS no worries mate. I got enough for all of us.
just so you know. there is no Terry Pratchett novel called "Discworld". there are some 40-odd books in the Discworld series but not one of them is called Discworld.
Fair enough. I think people catch my drift though.
Could the dark wheel be the diskworld? Just a random thought.
Probably not as copyright. It is interesting though if they did use some hint to the disc world series.
Just for fun i took S.A.P and converted it to the corresponding numbers of the alphabet "19116"
Turns out HIP 19116 is a real system close to the Witch Head nebula.
if the crystals could hold data i wonder if the dark wheel i wondering if there is a crystal out there with the location of raxxla or are the crystals coming from raxxla been playing this game since 2015 and there are still so many mysteries
Most of these subject are mysteries still. Hers to hoping they advance the story soon.
Do Thargoids get pissed if you carry one? Or throw one in one of their machines?
Haven't tried it to be honest. Was thinking of their reaction to one of these objects the other day.
@@MATTIUS The thargoid device that reacts badly to guardian tech, wonder if that freaks out over the containers too.
Do thargoids react to SAP 8 containers?
Unknown.
Should we scan NPC's for these containers?
www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/aferu2/sap_8_cores_psa_and_how_to_obtain_them/
@@MATTIUS mind is blown , hell ya that has som8to do with it
I think the dark wheel novella maybe only 8 chapters long.....
It is indeed...
@@MATTIUS since i got your attention, something caught my attention. There is a soundtrack title listed Exploration neutral Hoags object. These exploration files i think are when you discover certain objects or systems. Its odd this is listed under exploration since the hoags object is a ringed galaxy outside the milky way. We cant get to it...or can we? There are some other strange "connections", being in the Serpens constellation...its also has a ringed galaxy INSIDE it...a wheel in a wheel...it also has the main star of cornea borealis pointing straight at it as well as the head of the serpens constellation pointing at it....why is this exploration soundtrack in the game if its not explorable? Strange
The music has a nice "you found something" aura to it :)
Thats amazing information. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. Is the soundtrack in the games files?
@@MATTIUS elite-dangerous.fandom.com/wiki/Elite_Dangerous_Music
Is that Stryzo ? From strange worlds ?
Skoomers video?
@@MATTIUS yea Skoomers travel partner he sounds a lot like the guy who voiced him
Im not sure, ill ask haha.
S.A.P. special access programs
I have a discord for elite players looking for raxxla so if anyone would like to join and help with the hunt let me know
Cmdr Mattius, did you by any chance watch Drew Wagar's stream this past Thursday?... If not, it is truly the kind of coincidence that deserves a proper tinfoil crown.
Honestly i did not. I am aware that he was given a S.A.P 8. i can prove this with this link.
soundcloud.com/mattius-320613732/raxxla-sap-8/s-IrMXFZgF2Z0
was sent gurus parts before this.
Snakes on planes
Two problems with your history there.
1. The Elite Ranked Dark Wheel unique missions were what was removed years ago. Not the SAP 8 cores (supposedly) themselves. They may have been moved to military courier convoys immediately afterwards. We don't know. The wider community didn't pick up on their connection until just a couple years ago. They were simply _assumed_ removed prior.
2. The Dark Wheel faction is not unique in it military courier's contents. Really _any_ system in a state of civil war, with a high enough population, will produce them. No matter what faction.
Fair enough with the removal but I did not state that the sap 8 and associated items were exlusive to the dark wheel.
I've been wondering for a while now (and yes, this would probably be the most anticlimactic way of uncovering what raxxla truly is) has anyone gone through the game files on pc to see if there are any signs pointing to raxxla or even more, raxxla itself?
Extensively. All data in regards to locations are stored server side. So although we know of hints to what is coming, nothing is known as to secret locations or assets that are connected to Raxxla.
@@MATTIUS so they have everything well covered, huh?
Despite what they end up revealing us, frontier definitively knows how to keep us waiting for more
As far as I know the last leaks are in regards to thargoid motherships and details about small arms.
I constructively disagree