Leffen is such an enigma. One of the most capable Fox players to ever walk the earth, who simultaneously seems to believe, in his heart of hearts, that Fox is a true mid-tier.
play most combo-able character in the game (maybe falcon but 2nd at worst): lose play literally any other character that doesn't let you get combo'd to absolute fucking oblivion and die in 1 hit: win float apologists will die mad about it but it's the truth, being the most combo-able character in the game is really fucking bad. is what it is.
@@urd3adnow if only you had a frame 1 shine or something with intangibility... Every Character has it's weaknesses, every single one, what makes them better is their counter to those weaknesses and there pros.
@@amadeusj4906 look Fox is the best character in the game and it's not debatable, but don't pretend like spacies and fast fallers in general arent combo fodder lmao. A lot of low and mid tiers' only better matchups are spacies and falcon, and there's a reason since the dawn of time that Sheik shits on every character below her on the tier list besides ICies
@@urd3adnow there's more to the game than just advantage state. yeah fox has a big weakness in that he's comboable but you also have to consider the fact that fox has the most oppressive neutral in the game. sure *when* you get hit you're fucked, but you have every opportunity to outplay and use fox's superior movement to win most interactions.
2022 has been THE year, just overall, and for mid tiers for sure. For many a strange creature - red dino, yellow chu, double climber. The panda kinda dropped off, though.
I never thought I would live long enough to see in high level melee where a DK destroys a fox of leffen's caliber. I originally started as a DK main in melee but switched to falcon because with DK I was getting destroyed by spacies. This set almost brought tears to my eyes! props to Ringler! you are so cracked man!
I like the switch though. Low tiers at high level play come in with new tech and general play that people aren't used to, and everyone knows how to combo/punish Fox more than probably any character. So switching characters both removes combo bait and does what the low tier player is doing in return, forcing them to play a matchup that they aren't well prepared for.
@@kedevra571 sheik is not a rare character. Sheik is the main reason mid and low tiers are impossible to play. Sheik universally destroys all of them. This is not some new fact.
@@AL-lh2ht I didn't say Sheik was rare, but I do think players are generally the most ready to play against and punish Fox. I should have said aren't AS well prepared for. Also not claiming it's a new fact, just a good pivot since the Fox wasn't working.
@A L yes I actually agree sheik is far worse for DK than fox imo, she specifically exploits his weaknesses worse than fox, she has an insanely free tech chase on dk and some really disgusting combos because he's a big body. Fox does really well against dk but not because he specifically counters dk he's just a much better character but sheik is a better character and counters his general game plan of fishing for grabs very well
It's at least one of the ones that will go down and be remembered, like S2J almost 3-0ing Armada that was mentioned during the set. I still think about when Leffen lost to Samus.
Okay, melee fans...you got me. That's how you win an ult fan's heart. Give me garbage, nigh-impossible-to-win-with characters kicking ass and I'm there. This makes me want to actually watch some melee tourneys.
Just watched the first match. Can’t believe what I’m seeing. It reminds me of his issue with playing against Samus though. He assumes character below top 8 or whatever are so bad he doesn’t even need to practice against them. We saw him making the same mistake over and over again in the first match. Also in general it seems his play isn’t as good as usual, and Leffens opponent seems to be in the zone, reading and adapting well, and not missing many missed opportunities, even in the stress of the last stock situation he wasn’t messing up as much as Leffen.
In his teir list a month ago he placed DK in A teir. Leffens sees a lot of potential in the character. I think the underperformance is because, well, who the hell do you go to in the EU for DK practice?
Just wanna point out that HMW said he gave up at the end, but he didn't. He just didn't realize is jump was gone and when he did, he was probably shocked and just died.
Ringler was far more familiar with the fox dk match up. It threw leffen off, since leffen probably doesn't have experience against dk. Switching even'd out the matchup experience in leffens favor
I have seen what I wanted to see. Got to see DK's potential. Some really nice strings and ko options. DK is definitely viable to take a tournament. Not the strongest. But viable.
Ah yes the Leffen Sheik, created for Zain’s Marth and Ringlers DK.
It works against one of those two
of course. marth-fox and dk-fox are both 60-40 as we all know
@@JBLZFTWuhh it works against both
We were so close to being on the best timeline. Cheers, Ringler.
He was realistically close to winning 3-1 by game 4. Leffen in some ways was very lucky.
Making a Fox player use Shiek is a major win in itself. Imagine someone who used Fox for a decade or so realize DK is the apex animal
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Leffen: “We need a cargo throw limit”
We need a character limit
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How original
“I just had a really funny comment idea. No one will see this one coming”
@@darkmoon137 booooo
4:26 I cannot even begin to explain how badly I wanted that second side-B to connect.
We could have shown it to our grandkids, fr
for REAL
words CANNOT express
Woulda been WET
I hope this brought Ringler’s DK confidence through the roof, making leffen switch off of his fox is something special
Extend the Dong
@@isambo400 Couldn't have said it better myself.
Expand Dong
Leffen: "Dk vs Fox is 60:40 in favor of DK."
He has probably already said this
He has fox winning
Big Leff amirite?
Ringler was definitely making a case for our boy DK here.
Leffen is such an enigma. One of the most capable Fox players to ever walk the earth, who simultaneously seems to believe, in his heart of hearts, that Fox is a true mid-tier.
play most combo-able character in the game (maybe falcon but 2nd at worst): lose
play literally any other character that doesn't let you get combo'd to absolute fucking oblivion and die in 1 hit: win
float apologists will die mad about it but it's the truth, being the most combo-able character in the game is really fucking bad. is what it is.
@@urd3adnow so true! surely there are no famous clips of Marth, Sheik, Puff and Peach getting comboed or zero-to-deathed!
@@urd3adnow if only you had a frame 1 shine or something with intangibility...
Every Character has it's weaknesses, every single one, what makes them better is their counter to those weaknesses and there pros.
@@amadeusj4906 look Fox is the best character in the game and it's not debatable, but don't pretend like spacies and fast fallers in general arent combo fodder lmao. A lot of low and mid tiers' only better matchups are spacies and falcon, and there's a reason since the dawn of time that Sheik shits on every character below her on the tier list besides ICies
@@urd3adnow there's more to the game than just advantage state. yeah fox has a big weakness in that he's comboable but you also have to consider the fact that fox has the most oppressive neutral in the game. sure *when* you get hit you're fucked, but you have every opportunity to outplay and use fox's superior movement to win most interactions.
Gosh, between Ringler, ChunkyKong, Hikaru and the japanese dk that stopped yoshidora smash ladder run, 2022 has definitely been the year of the monke
M.O.N.K.E
2022 has been THE year, just overall, and for mid tiers for sure. For many a strange creature - red dino, yellow chu, double climber. The panda kinda dropped off, though.
And Tweek & Aaron for Diddy Kong! He's a monkey too
@@aVataR_ehyeh When will the Robot Lady return :(
@@bannanas117 megaman will return in megaman 12
we need more dk solo mains pushing the dk meta forward, ringler is sick
pika beats dk 90/10
@@absolutechonker4837 who cares
Shak be like; “lol”
DK + puff dual main tho
@@MrHomelessHobos no but really. DK mains know we’re gonna get socked by a couple characters. It’s part of the fun 😂
I never thought I would live long enough to see in high level melee where a DK destroys a fox of leffen's caliber. I originally started as a DK main in melee but switched to falcon because with DK I was getting destroyed by spacies. This set almost brought tears to my eyes! props to Ringler! you are so cracked man!
bruh never let the spacie hype win you over go back to your roots and push the meta with us
dk unfortunately has a terrible matchup against spacies like 90% of the cast
@@lapplandkun9273 dk can definitely win against spacies though.
Leffen picked up Sheik to counterpick DK
Ringer, singlehandedly, made LEffen swap to Sheik. Because he saw he would loose. AKA Leffek submitted to Fox defeat, for Shiek. THAT'S AMAZING! SICK!
That’s truly the ultimate brag… you got Leffen to switch off Fox with DK! 😮😮
I like the switch though. Low tiers at high level play come in with new tech and general play that people aren't used to, and everyone knows how to combo/punish Fox more than probably any character. So switching characters both removes combo bait and does what the low tier player is doing in return, forcing them to play a matchup that they aren't well prepared for.
@@kedevra571 sheik is not a rare character.
Sheik is the main reason mid and low tiers are impossible to play. Sheik universally destroys all of them. This is not some new fact.
@@AL-lh2ht it really bugs me that the fucking ninja is the bouncer for high and top tiers.
@@AL-lh2ht I didn't say Sheik was rare, but I do think players are generally the most ready to play against and punish Fox. I should have said aren't AS well prepared for.
Also not claiming it's a new fact, just a good pivot since the Fox wasn't working.
@A L yes I actually agree sheik is far worse for DK than fox imo, she specifically exploits his weaknesses worse than fox, she has an insanely free tech chase on dk and some really disgusting combos because he's a big body. Fox does really well against dk but not because he specifically counters dk he's just a much better character but sheik is a better character and counters his general game plan of fishing for grabs very well
Mannnn that up B on stage when fox comes from above, so nice.. sweet to see DK actually defend himself
Nice to see it happen to someone other than me against DKs on netplay
Up B should be banned. Makes the matchup at least 60:40 in DKs favor
Ringler retired Leffen's Fox.
Lmao, new Chillin retired Plup's Sheik
We were on the verge of greatness. We were this close!
13:00 this get up attack saves the set and possibly Leffen's career as he'd get mocked so much if he lost to DK
13:48 baits out the DK punch
DK's shield man, the poor bastard was just born this way 😔
weird that you guys would mock him for losing after flying from EU on short notice lol
@@personalejcr Game and watch crying in a corner somewhere ☠️
@@LosEspookys you a dope
@@FishwicksREAL no you a dope
Amazing set. Despite what's happening in the scene, the heart and commitment is still there
I feels it.
Leffen looks like he's saying "Yah" at 0:05 😂
Amazing melee set. Huge respect to the players who work on mid/low tiers to show that they can still be a threat with the right work put in
they completely ignored this godlike edgetrapping from ringler lmao 1:56
It’s honestly inspiring to see someone do so much work with DK. Good stuff Ringler!
Nice competitive set ✅️ Low/mid tier ✅️ Top professional player ✅️ Top tier commentator and content maker duo ✅️ Flames 🔥 ✅️
dk-fox was almost 60-40
Man what the fuck. This was about to be apart of the collection of greatest upsets in Melee history.
He made Leffen switch off his main...
It's at least one of the ones that will go down and be remembered, like S2J almost 3-0ing Armada that was mentioned during the set. I still think about when Leffen lost to Samus.
How they walked together at the end 🥺🥺
Fucking amazing set.
He needs to employ the squadron of multi-shining falcos more
This is the most important set of the year
Oh these are pretty cool bananas
Ringler is the people's champ. I don't care what the actual results were
Really cool to see Leffen's Sheik in other matchups besides Marth. I would love to see him use her for even more matchups in the future!
Same! I love the way his Sheik plays
i could see him using her for samus as well
To think, if we happened to be playing PAL, Ringler's DK would probably have slayed a god.
What a set. I'm glad that I stumbled onto this in my feed; would have missed it otherwise.
Proof that todays smash is all about punish game. Wranglers got it against fox. Just has to clean it up against sheik.
or get a secondary... sheik-DK is a terrible matchup, even for mid tier standards. sheik gatekeeps so many characters
This set went the way it did because of Zain that's insane
In the membrane
GOOD JOB RINGLER WE LOVE YOU
This is the true 20XX era, everyone main DK.
Lmfao I thought there was a glitch and ringler started with 3 stocks
I thought i was just dum or somthing and missed it
Ringler was just to make the fight fairer.
waff calling out hugs for not entering @1:42 lmao
So crazy that Ringler 3-0d leff. Almost as wild as when s2j 3-0d armada that one time
Yeah I remember that set, it was awesome- *Starts Crying*
donkey kong december boys!!
LOL he had to switch off the best character in the game vs a low tier that’s HILARIOUS.
Good set by Ringler!
Props to Ringler, if Leffen gave it 100% Ringler gave it 200% playing DK. Unfortunately DK's recovery leaves him so vulnerable.
Leffen fr switched off of fox bc of big monke. Can’t wait til ringler wins a major
Honestly yoshi won a major and zain beat top players with roy. Anything is possible. Unless u play bowser zelda pichu or ness
omg first game so hype. what a fkn comeback
LETS GO RINGADING
Can’t wait to hear Leffen complain about low tiers on twitter
That fact Ringler scared him off Fox and still almost beat the Sheik says everything. If he had a counterpick for the Sheik Leffen was probably toast.
The one time I wish pools was best of 3 loll
Excitinig set thanks to Ringler
Man I feel like before game 3 Leffen was mentally preparing his Twitter rant about how DK needs an UP-B limit to make the matchup winnable for Fox 😭😭😭
Leffen may have won the set but Ringler won the war
The fact that Leffen is still able to compete is a miracle
Finally, I knew one day Leffen would switch to Shiek for some random mid-tier. Today was the day
DK vs Fox is 60-40, obviously. Makes sense Leff has been training his Sheik for just this match up in particular. ;)
Nothing like a nice meaty DK
6:23 Did Ringler really just combo with one of the worst moves in Super Smash Brothers Melee for the Nintendo GameCube???
Big monke gaming
Sheik, the low-tier killer.
the fact that leffen had to counterpick against a low tier just speaks for itself
Wow that first game was very awesome!!! The way Ringler fought back to win the first game!!! And DK is my favourite!!!
Best matches I've watched in a hot minute since Yoshi taking grand finals
You fucking mad genius ringler ❤
The year is 20DK
for some reason when hugs said he felt offended about the so cal comment it just made me laugh 😂
👏 incredible effort by wringler. So close gane 4
amazing commentary
DK just shot up to S tier on Leffen's new tier list. Add up air limit.
Leffen literally put DK at the top of B tier on his tier list last month, specifically mentioning his chain-grab and punish game. Find a new joke.
@@alexd6327 heh, monkeh
@@alexd6327 can the new joke be Leffen co maining shiek? LMAOOOOOOO
@@alexd6327leffen fan moment
@@alexd6327 leffen alt account
I am super impressed Ringler, get up in that Shiek MU
Ringler is a hero for this win or loss
i love that you can tell waffles loves DK lol
We were so close to returning to monke
Then Harambe 2 happend...
Haven't watched the set yet, but I see Leffen rocking the serial killer glasses.
Okay, melee fans...you got me. That's how you win an ult fan's heart. Give me garbage, nigh-impossible-to-win-with characters kicking ass and I'm there. This makes me want to actually watch some melee tourneys.
Just watched the first match. Can’t believe what I’m seeing. It reminds me of his issue with playing against Samus though. He assumes character below top 8 or whatever are so bad he doesn’t even need to practice against them. We saw him making the same mistake over and over again in the first match. Also in general it seems his play isn’t as good as usual, and Leffens opponent seems to be in the zone, reading and adapting well, and not missing many missed opportunities, even in the stress of the last stock situation he wasn’t messing up as much as Leffen.
In his teir list a month ago he placed DK in A teir. Leffens sees a lot of potential in the character. I think the underperformance is because, well, who the hell do you go to in the EU for DK practice?
@@scuffit One of the best DK players is from EU
@@kkmac7247 yeah but with only like 3 dk mains on the planet isn’t every dk one of the best 💁♂️
@@Coolbeans554 Well there's a DK in Europe who's close to as good as Ringler, so I'd say that Europe is one of the best regions for DK practice
@@kkmac7247 No he's not, lol. No one is as close to Ringler's Punish game with spacies on DK
Leffen: “DK is such a broken character”
Ringler did very very well in the 2nd game too!!! Against Leffen's Fox!!!
Dk Fox is 60-40 and that's ok
Did this become Project M? Because that was some amazing DK action
Just wanna point out that HMW said he gave up at the end, but he didn't. He just didn't realize is jump was gone and when he did, he was probably shocked and just died.
Ringler won in our hearts
leffen was a game away from joining the "we lost to ringler" group chat.
God bless Brandon on commentary
Mew2king also switches from fox to shiek against donkey kong.
well he mains 3 characters while leffen mains fox
I still believe that one day Donkey will take a major. Ringler gives me hope that it's possible
Laughs in sheik
Melee literally never stops surprising me LMAO, holy shit...a DK almost about to 3-0 Leffen the godslayer in 2022🔥
Ringler is one of the more talented DK mains I’ve seen in a while, props to ringler
Rishi DID say that DK is basically a worse Marth
DK
In the year 20BananaBanana, everybody will be Monke and Leffen will be calling for a cargo throw and up-B limit
"DK is so hard to play against, they just grab you! We need grab limit" - Probably Leffen after eventually drops one set to Ringler
Ringler was far more familiar with the fox dk match up. It threw leffen off, since leffen probably doesn't have experience against dk. Switching even'd out the matchup experience in leffens favor
Is the speed of the video fluctuating?
There's actually a player making waves in top competitive Melee using Donkey Kong?
That SD is a real bummer, the DK was looking so promising
Crazy set
I have seen what I wanted to see. Got to see DK's potential. Some really nice strings and ko options. DK is definitely viable to take a tournament. Not the strongest. But viable.
His fox couldnt auto-pilot vs ringler so he switched, cause i don’t think leffen wants to have to play A-game level fox in pools.
Could it be? Is Ringler the fabled BLOOD NINJA?