35:45 I see the concept of patron Saints doing this exact thing. Everything has its own spirit, but the patron Saint represents the proper orientation of the domain and its relationship with the world
1:01:58 I was thinking about this this morning. The suffix volve. evolution as I’ve peeked at it from a layman’s lazy perch is not a correct model. Here’s a fragment of my thinking. The word "volve" comes from the Latin word volvere, which means "to roll" or "to turn over". The suffix "-volve" is related to several other Latin words, including: Evolvere: Means "to unroll" Involvere: Means "to roll into, to envelop, or surround" Revolvere: Means "to roll back, unroll, return" So. My thinking is our intuition about “evolution” Is actually more like a Trinity of being. Evolve, involve, and revolve. I don’t know why I think this. But I like you can’t see evolution. I only think the because I had a dream where God told me it was false. I had this dream unprovoked by anything. I never think of or thought of evolution other than I took it as fact because of what I was told. Any who this is an idea rising up within me. Another one I have is “gravity is a marker of mortality” any thoughts on this?
@@ChadTheGirlDad sounds really interesting, and I love talking about words and their meanings. Unfortunately, I broke my hand while I was in China. The x-rays showed two fractures, and they haven’t determined to plan a treatment yet, so I’m trying not to schedule anything.
42:34 You’re close Neal, but Chess throws a wrench into this. There is no randomness in chess, unless you mean the the other agent’s moves are the unexpected outcome
29:21 this is a thing, there have been many attempts by the government to leverage people into video games into piloting drones. I’m sure it’s had some success but has also been extremely controversial. The military run a lot of ads and has plenty of interest in places like twitch
book On Killing is interesting about how military uses various things, including simulation and games, to train soldiers to be willing to engage the enemy. Military has been into simulation a long time.
This was a lovely conversation, so glad you two talked. The largest writing market in book is YA, so I'm not sure how accurate this idea is that reading is down. Harry Potter numbers are rather interesting. Video games are stories, at least good ones. The idea that the environment determines the cell differentiation is agent-arena relationship. This idea of 'suffering' is not the best, that exists, it is inevitable, but to me, struggle is better. Pulling forward is really final cause - Telos. As a nation we've fallen back to materialism - the belief that the physicality is primary. Therefore, we go after material goals (even if we recognize non-materiality as such) rather than higher goals. It flattens the world and Neal is right that this is an addiction, because it has an end but we always need more. Learning to talk about things that other people are interested in or know about is far more satisfying to me than talking about something I know about or want to learn about. I find abundance in hearing new things from people who are passionate about those things. Perhaps our limited attention (Jonathan Pageau says the world is attention, that might be a hint) is a demon issue. I'll note that screens are flat. Games are on screens, their worlds are also flat. Linear, discrete, really large issues here for sure. I don't think God as arena is 'perfect way to play this game' - PVK seems to be talking more about moving and how things move. Creation is the largest possible frame, you can never understand it very well. When you simulate something you shrink the world. You flatten it, so for sure, that happens, but it certainly isn't a good thing. The fact that we can build small replicas of things can stray into Idolatry pretty easily, which is a great descriptor of the largest issues today, particularly within science. Lots of working out emanation from a flat world here, it's easier to understand this by not trying and instead, taking the word of a distributed cognition bigger than you that has that worked out more thoroughly than you do.
36:37 I’m surprised that Luke didn’t leave a comment about this. The in and out of the soccer game is a false dichotomy. The crowd has an impact on the game. It’s all connected, and the quality of the audience also participates in the game too
@ exactly he is part of the game too, his teammates may be discouraged by his absence. Even existential worries about the election play a role. Kamala and Trump are playing a role in the game too 😁
I just realised that I was following your channel for few years and hadn't subscribed, my apologies Karen. Error corrected. Thank you, great channel and conversations. Stay well.
@@markg1051 that’s great to hear! I just looked at your channel and you seem to be a musician? Thank you for subscribing, and I truly appreciate it if you tap the like button whenever it’s appropriate. I’m beginning to see that that causes the algorithm to grant favor:-)
@TheMeaningCode thanks for taking time to reply Karen. Not quite a musician, more a dabler in the subject. I'm a retired electronics tech with strong interest in music and its relation to tech such as electronics. Found your channel indirectly via Peterson and PVK's discussions on him. Take care and stay well.
47:08 could it be stated that the float functions like the level of distance between the brain and the hand. The ability to bring an imaginary state into the “real” world
27:04 I don’t think this is entirely true, cinema became divided. There is now a target audience for everything and the niches grew deeper and deeper. For example the terrifier series of films is just all the violence and gore of film turned up to 11 and the most recent entry is extremely profitable.
@@PresidentFoxman I wasn't intending to upset you, the solution is just to sort the comments from oldest to the newest and you're agin first. All is good again. Cheers!😊
What a great conversation and topic Karen! Thanks for this one ❤
1:23:30 I LOVED the choose-your-own-adventure books as a kid.
I tried to get them for my kids.
35:45 I see the concept of patron Saints doing this exact thing. Everything has its own spirit, but the patron Saint represents the proper orientation of the domain and its relationship with the world
Thanks for this conversation, I really enjoyed it :)
Thank you, Sophie
1:01:58 I was thinking about this this morning. The suffix volve. evolution as I’ve peeked at it from a layman’s lazy perch is not a correct model. Here’s a fragment of my thinking. The word "volve" comes from the Latin word volvere, which means "to roll" or "to turn over". The suffix "-volve" is related to several other Latin words, including:
Evolvere: Means "to unroll"
Involvere: Means "to roll into, to envelop, or surround"
Revolvere: Means "to roll back, unroll, return"
So. My thinking is our intuition about “evolution” Is actually more like a Trinity of being. Evolve, involve, and revolve. I don’t know why I think this. But I like you can’t see evolution. I only think the because I had a dream where God told me it was false. I had this dream unprovoked by anything. I never think of or thought of evolution other than I took it as fact because of what I was told. Any who this is an idea rising up within me. Another one I have is “gravity is a marker of mortality” any thoughts on this?
@@ChadTheGirlDad sounds really interesting, and I love talking about words and their meanings. Unfortunately, I broke my hand while I was in China. The x-rays showed two fractures, and they haven’t determined to plan a treatment yet, so I’m trying not to schedule anything.
42:34 You’re close Neal, but Chess throws a wrench into this. There is no randomness in chess, unless you mean the the other agent’s moves are the unexpected outcome
Yes- there has to be SOME unanticipated emergence. This is why checkers is so boring. Tic Tac Toe, more extreme case.
29:21 this is a thing, there have been many attempts by the government to leverage people into video games into piloting drones. I’m sure it’s had some success but has also been extremely controversial.
The military run a lot of ads and has plenty of interest in places like twitch
book On Killing is interesting about how military uses various things, including simulation and games, to train soldiers to be willing to engage the enemy. Military has been into simulation a long time.
@ people make games is a TH-cam channel that recently made a mini documentary on war games and the people who make them for the government
@@PresidentFoxman That book changed my understanding of the sacrifices made by people in the military.
@@chrishoward8473 I’ll have to check it out
This was a lovely conversation, so glad you two talked.
The largest writing market in book is YA, so I'm not sure how accurate this idea is that reading is down. Harry Potter numbers are rather interesting.
Video games are stories, at least good ones.
The idea that the environment determines the cell differentiation is agent-arena relationship.
This idea of 'suffering' is not the best, that exists, it is inevitable, but to me, struggle is better.
Pulling forward is really final cause - Telos.
As a nation we've fallen back to materialism - the belief that the physicality is primary. Therefore, we go after material goals (even if we recognize non-materiality as such) rather than higher goals. It flattens the world and Neal is right that this is an addiction, because it has an end but we always need more.
Learning to talk about things that other people are interested in or know about is far more satisfying to me than talking about something I know about or want to learn about. I find abundance in hearing new things from people who are passionate about those things.
Perhaps our limited attention (Jonathan Pageau says the world is attention, that might be a hint) is a demon issue. I'll note that screens are flat. Games are on screens, their worlds are also flat. Linear, discrete, really large issues here for sure.
I don't think God as arena is 'perfect way to play this game' - PVK seems to be talking more about moving and how things move. Creation is the largest possible frame, you can never understand it very well.
When you simulate something you shrink the world. You flatten it, so for sure, that happens, but it certainly isn't a good thing. The fact that we can build small replicas of things can stray into Idolatry pretty easily, which is a great descriptor of the largest issues today, particularly within science.
Lots of working out emanation from a flat world here, it's easier to understand this by not trying and instead, taking the word of a distributed cognition bigger than you that has that worked out more thoroughly than you do.
Thanks for the feedback, Mark!
36:37 I’m surprised that Luke didn’t leave a comment about this. The in and out of the soccer game is a false dichotomy. The crowd has an impact on the game. It’s all connected, and the quality of the audience also participates in the game too
What about the guy who didn’t make the bus because he overslept? Never made it to the field 🏟️
@ exactly he is part of the game too, his teammates may be discouraged by his absence.
Even existential worries about the election play a role. Kamala and Trump are playing a role in the game too 😁
1:27:45 re: attention span decreasing.
Yup. I’m the same. It’s a huge discipline to read. Plane’s are the easiest.
1:07:00 morphic resonance all day!
I just realised that I was following your channel for few years and hadn't subscribed, my apologies Karen.
Error corrected.
Thank you, great channel and conversations.
Stay well.
@@markg1051 that’s great to hear! I just looked at your channel and you seem to be a musician? Thank you for subscribing, and I truly appreciate it if you tap the like button whenever it’s appropriate. I’m beginning to see that that causes the algorithm to grant favor:-)
@TheMeaningCode thanks for taking time to reply Karen.
Not quite a musician, more a dabler in the subject.
I'm a retired electronics tech with strong interest in music and its relation to tech such as electronics.
Found your channel indirectly via Peterson and PVK's discussions on him.
Take care and stay well.
I know you guys!!
47:08 could it be stated that the float functions like the level of distance between the brain and the hand. The ability to bring an imaginary state into the “real” world
27:04 I don’t think this is entirely true, cinema became divided. There is now a target audience for everything and the niches grew deeper and deeper. For example the terrifier series of films is just all the violence and gore of film turned up to 11 and the most recent entry is extremely profitable.
Agree- there are fewer and fewer unifying collective narratives
First!
Hah!
I just read all the comments, top to bottom and in reality, youre the very last.😁
@ 😢
@@PresidentFoxman I wasn't intending to upset you, the solution is just to sort the comments from oldest to the newest and you're agin first.
All is good again.
Cheers!😊
@ no worries I’m not offended just playing around 😁
Matthew 20:16? 😂
I am second.
That makes you Vice President!!! Congratulations