FULL TOP 10 HARDEST PIANO REPERTOIRE :) Ades - Traced Overhead (9) Amy - Sonate Pour Piano (7) Andre - Contrapunctus (10) - S 3 (9) - Un-fini III (9-8) A.P.M - Fragments from a broken mind (-) Azaretto - lago paisajismo abstracto (6-5) Baldwin - Seven Miniatures for Piano (10) Barlow - Çogluotobusisletmesi (8-7) Barraque - Piano Sonata (8) Barrett - Tract (2-1) - Coigitum (8) - Flechtwerk (10) - filament (8) - faux departs (8) - nacht und traume (10) Bell - Two Slit Experiments (10) Boucorechliev - Archipel 4 (10-9) - Archipel 5D (10-9) Boulez Troisieme Sonate Pour Piano (10) Buccino Finalmente Il tempo e intero (2-1) Bussotti - Pour Clavier (7) - Five Piano Pieces for David Tudor (7) - Forziere (-) - Scrigno (-) Bondt - Grand Hotel (10-9) Cage - Concert for Piano and Orchestra (5) - for Solo Piano (5) - Etudes Australes (5-4) - ASLAP (version for piano) (1) Cassidy - Ten monophonic in for solo pianist (10) - Piano Concerto (6-5) - Self Portrait, Three Times, Standing (10-9) Choi - Konzert für Klavier und Orchester (1) Clark - Double Axis (-) Cognizetti - Five Pentaphonic Etudes (-) Cour - Beat me (Cut and Perm 1) (10) Dench - Piano Sonata (7) - tilt (10-9) - Topologies (10) Denisov - Piano Concerto (10-9) Dillon - The Books of Elements (9) - Andromeda (10-9) Dittrich - Klaviermusik (7-2) Downie - Piano Pieces (5) - variable constructs (-) Edgerton - Noise is interrupting my practice (10-9) Emsley - The Juniper Tree (8) Erber - Aurora (10) - qwfwq (9-8) - fluctuations (9) - àNeM (9) - Memoriae Sacrum (10) Erçetin - Drifting through The Echoes of Time (7) Eycken - campo minato (-) Ferneyhough - Lemma Icon Epigram (10) - Opus Contra Naturam (9-8) - Shadowtime (9-7) - Quirl (2-1) Finnissy - Piano Concerto No.2 (5) - Piano Concerto No.3 (4) - Piano Concerto No.4 (3) - Piano Concerto No.7 (5) - Piano Concerto No.8 (-) - English Country Tunes (4) - all.fall.down (6) - Song 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 (7-4) - Verdi Transcriptions (4) - History of Photography in Sound (5) - Piano Studies (6) Flynn - Trinity (8) Fox - 24 Etudes (-) - Sonata No.2 (-) Fox - llik rellik (10) Francesconi - Mambo (10) Furrer - Piano Concerto (9) - phasma (8) Gehlhaar - Piano Suite (-) Globokar - Notes (10-9) Gołdanowski - Grand Metamorphosis (3-2) - Etudes (6) Hamelin - Scroll (-) Heyn - 203 (5) - TaP (10) Hoban - when the panting STARTS (1) - whiptail (8) Ichiyanagi - Piano Media (-) - Music for Piano (10) Jackson - Pacemaker (8) Johnson - Dehiscence Flottements (9) - Positioning in Radiography (8-7) - mes pleurants (10) Kampela - Nosturnos (6) Karski - Streamforms (8) Kiyama - 無実の投獄者2007 (1) - 3 shells (1) - 4 shells (-) - suffering middle clouds (6) - bibou wa netami (7) -塵肺症 (6) Kleinlosen - tonend bewegt (2-1) - deconstructing cage, Changed Music (9) Kolomiiets - Rejection (7-6) Lachenmann - Ausklang (9) Lang - Monadologie V (7) Lesser - Schattenbilder (-) Lewington - Studies for Piano (-) Lim - World as Lover World as Self (10) - The Four Seasons (10) Lorraine - TACET (9) Losonczy - Piranhas (6-5) Lumsdaine - Kelly's Ground (-) Mahnkopf - Kammerkonzert (8) - Kammerstuck (8) - Rhizom (9) McCormack - mine but for its sublimation (9-8) Mizelle - Transforms (9-8) Noble - The Laugh of Medusa (10) - 65 Studies for the left hand (10) Nono - Sofferte onde serene (10-9) Obermayer - coil (4) Palumbo - Piano Concerto (7-6) Pauset - Cinq Canons (8) Pousseur - Exercises Pour Piano I II (-) Rhys - Not I (-) Robin - Deux Études (10) Rzewski - The Road (5) Satie - Vexation (-) Saunders - to an utterance (10-9) Scelsi - Action Music (10) Sciarrino - De La Nuit (9-8) - Piano Sonatas (10-8) Schaeffer - Study in Diagram (5-4) - Model XIII (3-2) Schnebel - Concert Sans Orchester, expressivo (-) Shim - this space (-) Sorabji - Piano Sonatas (5-1) - Piano Concertos (10) - Solo Concerto (8) - Symphonic Variations (2-1) - Opus Clavicembalisticum (4) - Piano Symphonies (5-1) - Sequentia Cyclica (7) - 100 transcendental Studies (9) Stockhausen - Klavierstucke VI (6-5) - Klavierstucke X (8) - Klavierstucke XIII (6) Taylor - Piano Piece 1980 1, 3 (-) - Variations 4 (-) Toovey - Fragments after Artaud (10) Verheul - Nocturnal Stories (8-7) - Alida (8-7) Xenakis - Mists (10) - Evryali (8) - Herma (9) - Synaphaï (6) - Erikhthon (5) - Eonta (8) - Keqrops (10) - A R. (10) - Dikhthas (10) - Palimpsest (10) - Sieben Klavierstucke (-) Yeats - William Mumler's Spirit Photography (10) Yim - [ten]dril (9) - Timescreen (10) Zimmermann - Wustenwanderung (9)
Vexations? That is not technically difficult at all. It's just physically (and mentally) difficult if you strictly follow Satie's instruction (to repeat the same thing 840 times). You'll truly get vexed to death way before even the 84th repetition.
thanks so much for the introduction to these pieces! ive always found the new complexity piano works to be rather indigestible but some of these here seem really interesting
Wonderful achievements in script. Aurally it is challenging (and need I mention the emptiness of my heart’s response?) The best features of this music is its free rhythm, delineated through the interest of free pitch, as well as the beautiful sonority of the piano. If you make a commitment to avoiding tonality, I almost think it would be best that you learn to play the drums. From my perspective as a composer, it’s a brave sacrifice.
I have to compliment you on how precise yet poetically you express your opinions. I wholeheartedly agree, these pieces for me are mostly complex for complexities sake. Granted, I haven't devoted enough time to properly understand them, but I'm left feeling empty after listening to them, as if a child was pressing random keys on the piano
My heart similarly showed no response to these pieces. Nor did my soul. I like to be challenged intellectually, but it's nice when those challenges also take me on an artistic journey.
@@achoikomposition 아무래도 같은 수준의 기교라면 길이 차이가 있겠죠 ㅎㅎ 혹시 소랍지 - 소나타 5번 Opus Archmagicum 은 Honorable Mention에 들어갈만 할까요? 이런영상에서 외국의 유튜버들은 소랍지 소나타 5번을 가장 높게 치는걸 몇번 본거 같아서...
Talking about technical difficulty while casting the musical value aside is meaningless. Just as I could make any difficult piece by definition even more difficult simply by inserting one note to it or enriching a single chord . . . It all boils down to the ultimate question - is the music worth the difficulty?
Реально, ну. Зачем писать эту перебельду? Кто считает это красивой? Если вы считаете что это авангард, то глубоко заблуждаетесь. Хотя признать мне Фюрер Фазма понравился
I was once asked to turn pages for Ian Pace playing English Country Tunes in Cardiff. Safe to say, I refused! A friend did it instead, but understandably he couldn’t follow the score. A few times, Ian Pace looked annoyed and had to turn the pages himself…
many years ago in dartington i turned pages for "english country tunes". i could follow the beautiful score, but the pianist didn't always play what was written … BTW there are other performers of "tract".
Hard stuff. Some of the pieces sound very much the same and it seems impossible to descern them from each other, but there are some that stick out with a very distinct personality and individual sonority. The most individual piece for me in this row seems to be Wieland Hoban. I like that quite a lot. Whereas most of the pointillistic pieces like Ferneyhough show a lack of distinction in my humble opinion, they don't seem to be different compositions but I have the impression to hear the same piece over and over again.
And this is why: it's like trying to discern fine bone china from the pulverized dust and shards of a badly smashed tea set, not only do the shards and china dust not hold tea, but you can rearrange the bits a hundred ways in the silver tray and they will essentially look no different...we can call them cups (because they are made of the materials that cups once were),..we can pour tea on the bits and tell people these are the most complex cups ever made, and if they don't enjoy drinking tea from them, the fault is theirs, they just haven't spent enough time practicing to lap up tea from these very complex cups, haven't learned how not to lacerate their tongues on the shards and avoid the gritty dust. And then they set this tea out to their guests...and wonder why they've never returned to their house for tea ever again.
Haha... and there is poor old Ravel who thought he had written the hardest piano piece ever 😂 Honestly, all this is just complexity for complexity's sake. None of it serves a musical purpose, and much of it sounds the same. I guess pianists play these pieces just because they can (and perhaps because any normal is way to easy for them). There is plenty of insanely hard piano music that is musically enjoyable and rewarding - Ligeti, Ives, Rzewski, Stevenson, even Sorabji.
Yeah, all the pieces on this list sacrifice musicality for... well, I'm not sure exactly, just being on the record of the hardest piano pieces, I guess. I wouldn't see even a remote interest in attempting to learn this stuff outside of practicing polyrhythms for some. Concerning the performers, none of these pianists are prominent on the pianistic scene, and Pace is only relatively well-known for playing very unknown works... honestly, isn't all this shit about performing insane piano pieces just an excuse not to study actually interesting music, because they know their playing wouldn't get as much attention? Like, I'd pay to see any of them play a late Beethoven sonata, see how these "crazy hard" piano pieces help them
@@ulysse__well, that's the thing though, what about mainstream pianists that focus on classical repertoire... I wanna see how that "musicality" helps them with playing this kind of MUSIC (cause this is proper music, and this music is notated like this because it's meant to be played exactly as is written, it actually helps a lot of people, cause listening to pianists play chopin with "MusIcaLiTY" (as in no sense of rhythm or proper phrasing and just going with the flow) gives me nausea... Chopin would prefer if you did no Rubato at all compared to the bs most modern pianists come up with, and this applies to almost any (good) composer in history of music... So yeah, this is a bit too much, but at least they respect the composer's wishes and aesthetics, and while it isn't pretty or moving or almost anything to me really, at least it's not revolting and it's interesting and does explore the technical limits of the instrument and music cognition, which yes, it is valid by itself, music doesn't have to be "mUsICaL"
Damn bro, AWESOME list. To me all this music sounds like absolute crap but I still really enjoyed watching this! It’s so awesome what humans are capable off :) Not that I would ever be able to perform any of this 😂 My goals are just La Valse and Ligeti’s piano Etudes, which sound easy compared to this 😮 But to return to what I originally wanted to say: this list is great, there are so many shitty “hardest pieces” lists out there, but this one seems extremely accurate!! Congrats on doing the impossible lol
Literally the classical music of the year of our lord 2300, where children will think of Boulez as we do Bach now lmfao I really don’t understand the appeal of the works presented here no matter how technically proficient and colorful they might be, but I guess the children who will grow up listening to Boulez as we do Bach now will
I can’t imagine figuring out how to play just one note of any of these pieces. It would take me decades. This just looks like some sort of language from another galaxy! I don’t think even a scientist can figure all of this out without musician’s help. I’ve spent two years trying to play “beginners” piano and gave up, because I could not get comfortable enough to read each note and squint each time to figure out whether the “dot” was on line two or three, etc., and at the same time remember which key to hit when they weren’t even labeled. When it came to also hitting the pedals, I just QUIT! It was beyond what my multitasking skills could handle at my age…. I was just not fortunate enough to learn it from younger age. That’s why I have huge respect for all the pianists and other musicians who use sheet music out there! I fell in love with piano music since I was a child, especially when you can hear the vibrations of it live, so I do admire this complexity even if it sounds random to some people. I know how difficult it is to make something this complex and “random” and still make it sound coherent, because I played some random keys myself out of frustration for not being able to learn how to play, and trust me, your ears would not handle it if you had to listen to me play for just a few seconds. 😅
@@GUILLOM if the teacher is familiar with the piece, especially if they were the one who worked with them on the piece. They would definitely know if you messed up or missed a note.
I actually agree...I think it would be more enjoyable, more like a visual kind of uplift, if the sheets were written by proper editing companies because most of them are WAY too difficult to read...Messiaen's pieces are easy to read and are complex in every way, but Finnisey and others....just rip the sheet, there's no way I'm gonna read all that literal pen-on-paper style writing
Most accurate "hardest pieces" list by far. Honorable mentions: Stockhausen VI, Ligeti Desodre (still impossibly awkward for me), and random impossible Cage pieces.
Hello, I appreciate your compliment. First of all some pieces are physically impossible because humans are all having different physical characteristic traits, because of my handspan Hindemith's piece is impossible. Stockhausen VI is very very hard piece including the X, I haven't included here since it was rather vague. Ligeti's etude seems somewhere top 15 or something, despite being so difficult, it does not surpass the Cassidy's piece Cage, entirely vague I guess his Piano Concerto or Solo for Piano fits in TOP 1 because of the unintepretable notation. It does not look that complex in terms of pianistic form. While the process of understanding notation and score is very hard. Even I do not understand it and there are some website analyzing them as well. as well as ASLAP, for organ or piano, is impossible as well.
Crappy list, actually. No Herma, Lemma-Icon-Epigram or Rejection, nothing by Sorabji and he included piano and orchestra works, when his title sated "piano pieces" - as in solo piano.
@@franksmith541 Hello Sorabji- I have mentioned in the description, I striked my previous yt channel because uploading sorabji stuff. I have not included those piece because of the fucking copyright, go read that goddamn description please :) Lemma Icon Epigram is not harder than Cassidy's, I performed some excerpts privately and it was less painful less polyryhthmic than the Cassidy's piece. Not harder than Opus Contra Naturam. Ian have performed numerous time and it was not mentioned of being one of the hardest. Herma is easier than three xenakis concerti which is eonta synaphai and erikhthon and physically playable despite being very difficult. Easier than Mists. Rejection has no score video, I have put on honorable mentions Also I said do a SUGGESTION not a goddamn COMPLAIN, I spent a million time on this and you are saying it is crappy. I know it should be edited and fixed. I performed the hardest excerpt of these pieces on my list and made them. Know stuff read stuff and then complain. And I have not put 'solo' I just wrote it is piano piece. Get it?
@@achoikomposition No way is Mists harder than Herma. The latter is not legendary for nothing. Also, Lemma is harder than the Cassidy piece - I don't care what your "performance" revealed. Lastly, a work for piano and orchestra is not a "piano piece." Get it? I'm done with this argument.
@@Damian_Theodoridis No-one of these musical pieces are a song. Song is a technical term meaning a very specific thing in music. A Lied by Schubert can be considered a song (albeit it is better described as a Lied) but a piano piece by Finnissy is for sure everything BUT a song.
Please, remember about first part of 6th piano Sonata hy Radulescu! If you will play actually everything at a wished tempo (156BPM), including the folk fragments, it means you are a midi Sequencer.
I was unfamiliar with the Gordon Downie work but MAN, that is genuinely gorgeous. There are parts of it that feel like Berg’s first piano sonata while others feel closer to Sciarrino and Ferneyhough. Thanks for this video!!
When even the best musicologists and pianists in the world drop notes, fudge rhythms, and generally scramble about fruitlessly to try and portray your music properly in concert or in a recording studio... maybe you should realize there are limits to what human beings with a mere ten fingers can achieve, and leave it for the computers. But I'm also glad there are maniacs like Ian Pace who have the mental wiring to decipher such dense and forbidding scores and deliver the best human performances possible.
Mind bogglingly difficult stuff (Finnissey with double polyrhythms in each hand....don't even know how anyone starts with this). But here's a key point - if a pianist hit some wrong notes or played with wrong dynamic who would know (except the composer and pianist)? And, dare I say, who in audience would care? Whereas a piece like Ravel's Scarbo may not be as technically nightmarish as these but the audience will immediately hear wrong notes or dynamics that "don't work" - this puts a lot more pressure on the pianist. I do actually like some of Xenakis and Finnissey - there's a sort of madness in Finnissey's country tunes which contrasts with the slow, melancholic and even melodic sections.
on comment since description has shown several errors This list is highly subjective, I've analysed and performed some hard excerpts shown in this list, and listed them. I admit some sections should be edited but do not complain about it. I have excluded Sorabji materials in order not to infringe copyright regulations and get striked. I do not own anything from the video alright goes to the respective owners, please notify me if I have infinged or violated copyright regulations and I would remove the video immediately Performers X - Ian Pace Cassidy - Ten monophonic miniatures for pianist IX - Ian Pace Ferneyhough _ Opus Contra Naturam VIII - Ian Pace Downie _ Piano piece no.2 VII - Martino Joste Bussotti _ Pour Clavier VI - Douglas Madge Xenakis _ Synaphai V - Hiroaki Ooi Xenakis _ Erikhthon IV - Michael Finnissy Finnissy _ English Country Tunes III - Ian Pace Finnissy _ Piano Concerto No.4 II - Ian Pace Barrett _ Tract I - Ian Pace Hoban _ when the panting STARTS Honorable mention list is a group of pieces I have not included in the list because of various problems, if you have suggestions comment down below please
Very impressive feats of composition I'm sure, and the scores are rather interesting to gawk at, but why are they all fucking cacophonous and unlistenable?
When music ends and noise begins. Although it's very interesting (technically seen), large parts of these compositions sound to me like randomly generated notes. The "musical listener" is longing for certain structures, lines, rhythms etc.
Saying you can’t tell the pieces apart - let alone the composers - makes as much sense as saying all Mozart sonatas sound the same, or all Chopin sound the same. BTw, my friends who only listen to pop can’t tell Mozart and Chopin apart… same thing happening here it seems. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I don't know if anyone can relate but this to me is kinda like the old days when Doctors purposely adopted the crazies & unreadable calligraphy on prescription pads & I'd always be concerned the pharmacist would end up giving me a lethal combination of whatever they managed to "decipher", 😆 🤣 They make it harder cause they can! They like being perceived as the 😎 genius in the block.
There's just so many around... It's easy to write a very hard piece for piano. It's very hard to write a hard piece for piano that people would care to learn and perform.
Kind of an odd question, but how does one get to the point of even being able to approach this music? Just years of practice? Can someone "plateau" at a certain level of skill even if they spend dozens of hours a week practicing?
Genuine question here. Does anyone actually enjoy this type of music? Would anyone want to go to a concert and pay to listen to someone perform these works? I don’t doubt that it’s ‘art’, and that it’s an expression of the composer’s artistic vision but let’s be honest…this type of music is very hard to listen to and they epitomise the reason why modern classical music is unpopular. They remind me of when I was a child at the piano just doodling random notes but now they’ve been notated into a score that looks complicated. I’m sure someone out there will tell me I don’t *get* this music but against the genius that was Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Mahler etc. etc. I really struggle to find the musical value in these pieces. Keen to hear what others think.
1. Yes 2. Yes, me and others 3. Because it's so good for me 4. Meaningless Graffiti are commonly NOT classified as music notation, (Fluxus could be exceptional)
I don’t enjoy this music, but I have attended a concert of it being played. I LOVED it, I disliked the sounds but seeing someone pour so much emotion is something so hanous was absolutely inspiring! (I actually heard a piece there which I now quite like: Loevendies lerchentrio). If you ever have the chance to see a live concert of this type of music, I really recommend attending! It is truly something special to see :) I still don’t like listening to this but after that concert I realized that wasn’t necessary. I appreciate the music for what it is, but I don’t feel the need to listen to it.
hate to see all these bigoted comments from people who don't have anything better to do with their time than to be hateful of such great art. they don't even bother to understand it. they just want to whine about how it "isnt real music". the truth is the truth, this is music. this is real music. this is art. this is beautiful art.
Where Xenakis - Eonta Claus-Steffen Mahnkopf - Kammerkonzert Finnissy - Song 9 (yeah the one from the thumbnail, tbh i don't know if a recording exists but it'd be bonkers if you included it)
Eonta was a bit vague item to put in the list and there was already 2 xenakis's pieces, in order to vary pieces and composers I have excluded them. Mahnkopf - kammerminiatur was rather short, I would place it somewhere below TOP 10. kammerkonzert seems to fit in around top 7 Song 9 , someone tried to make a midi file (I requested ) since there was no recording or discographies. Not only Song 9 but other piano song series were unperformed :) I cannot make them since I am not a expert on that
I listened to a recording of Song 9 in the BMIC (British Music Information Centre which no longer exists ). It was a fantastic performance by Ronald Lumsden who it’s dedicated to.
@@achoikomposition the BMIC sent all their collection to Huddersfield and the British Library. In both cases, very strict about members of the public making copies of audio.
This video is very important in revealing just how high the super-transcendental bar has been raised ! A very welcome guide, especially when compared with the multitude of online videos that rarely reach the ultimate levels of pianistic difficulty !! 🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹
Yes, sometimes they sound like my frustrated why-can't-I-get-this-right "improvisations" that cover the entire keyboard with not a whit of musicality to them, though plenty emotion!
Hello Narfen! Great piano pieces, and i kinda agree that these works are the hardest. I have seen some comments😅😅 not really inspiring. Btw do you know how hard is Finnissy's Snowdrift?
Thanks for your comment, and I am aware of that infamous piece. It is difficult for sure, however, not harder than these pieces, probably similar difficulty with Kemp's Morris?
@@achoikomposition Thank you! I didn't really knew how hard it is, beause there are really fast parts in this piece (and it is making it hard but every piece takes time to learn) and i agree on your opinion on the work. (Anyways sorry for bothering you, i just want to learn it.)😅
@@szilardszilagyicomposer what?? No need to feel sorry about this! It's a fun discussion to speak about though :) Snowdrift has incredibly fast measures especially shown in those numerous grace notes eh. With shit amount of leaps and arpeggios. Besides that it has specific dynamics and articulations, rhythms as well to consider in order to express those vacant, whiteness, delicacy but on the other hand, eternal intensity, harshness and all those things... very hard piece overall, but cannot surpass most pieces by Finnissy. Thanks for your question and feel free to ask please! I like suggestions and discussions to talk about, but I dislike all those repetitive complaints and whining about stuff... you know things happen 😅. Check my other videos :)
Listening to this for the sake of curiosity is almost like applying paint, diarrhea, sludge, and other media onto a canvass and calling it art because you used various methods of application. You know, I would rather see that than hear this.
Well, considering length and general physical stamina to handle the difficulty, Symphony no.0 would be definitely the hardest piece since the length is more than 5 hours long, while wtpS could be harder in technical term
Wtps wins in the technical aspect by a mile, but Symphony 0 takes the cake with the musicality and length (6-8 hours, about the length of Opus Archimagicum). Imo I’d go with Symphony 0: Not only it is unperformed, it’s unreasonable to do so
Why should anyone even try to read this bullshit? Sorry to be rude, but I mean like.... Seriously?! That's not a good music or good musicianship. Music should reflect something more real than just crazy technique and unreadable piece of papers...
The abyss of the classical music… what a shame that is has come to this, and they still call it music, once sublime reflecting humanity and God, and now garbage.
You can not possibly be or create anything more garbage than 'Humanity and God' (doesn't matter if you perceive the latter literally or as an abstract conception))
Lousy list. Where's Xenakis' Herma? Where's Ferneyhough's Lemma-Icon-Epigram? Where's Kolomiiet's Rejection (played lousily by Ian Pace). Also, you included at least one work for piano and orchestra - that's not a "piano piece" (as per your title), that's a piece for piano and orchestra.
@@brumels1570lol, yeah, show me... And don't be stupid about it, tell me a specific moment of this video and replicate that texture and we'll see, and also show me the recording and we'll compare
FULL TOP 10 HARDEST PIANO REPERTOIRE :)
Ades
- Traced Overhead (9)
Amy
- Sonate Pour Piano (7)
Andre
- Contrapunctus (10)
- S 3 (9)
- Un-fini III (9-8)
A.P.M
- Fragments from a broken mind (-)
Azaretto
- lago paisajismo abstracto (6-5)
Baldwin
- Seven Miniatures for Piano (10)
Barlow
- Çogluotobusisletmesi (8-7)
Barraque
- Piano Sonata (8)
Barrett
- Tract (2-1)
- Coigitum (8)
- Flechtwerk (10)
- filament (8)
- faux departs (8)
- nacht und traume (10)
Bell
- Two Slit Experiments (10)
Boucorechliev
- Archipel 4 (10-9)
- Archipel 5D (10-9)
Boulez
Troisieme Sonate Pour Piano (10)
Buccino
Finalmente Il tempo e intero (2-1)
Bussotti
- Pour Clavier (7)
- Five Piano Pieces for David Tudor (7)
- Forziere (-)
- Scrigno (-)
Bondt
- Grand Hotel (10-9)
Cage
- Concert for Piano and Orchestra (5)
- for Solo Piano (5)
- Etudes Australes (5-4)
- ASLAP (version for piano) (1)
Cassidy
- Ten monophonic in for solo pianist (10)
- Piano Concerto (6-5)
- Self Portrait, Three Times, Standing (10-9)
Choi
- Konzert für Klavier und Orchester (1)
Clark
- Double Axis (-)
Cognizetti
- Five Pentaphonic Etudes (-)
Cour
- Beat me (Cut and Perm 1) (10)
Dench
- Piano Sonata (7)
- tilt (10-9)
- Topologies (10)
Denisov
- Piano Concerto (10-9)
Dillon
- The Books of Elements (9)
- Andromeda (10-9)
Dittrich
- Klaviermusik (7-2)
Downie
- Piano Pieces (5)
- variable constructs (-)
Edgerton
- Noise is interrupting my practice (10-9)
Emsley
- The Juniper Tree (8)
Erber
- Aurora (10)
- qwfwq (9-8)
- fluctuations (9)
- àNeM (9)
- Memoriae Sacrum (10)
Erçetin
- Drifting through The Echoes of Time (7)
Eycken
- campo minato (-)
Ferneyhough
- Lemma Icon Epigram (10)
- Opus Contra Naturam (9-8)
- Shadowtime (9-7)
- Quirl (2-1)
Finnissy
- Piano Concerto No.2 (5)
- Piano Concerto No.3 (4)
- Piano Concerto No.4 (3)
- Piano Concerto No.7 (5)
- Piano Concerto No.8 (-)
- English Country Tunes (4)
- all.fall.down (6)
- Song 5, 6, 7, 8, 9 (7-4)
- Verdi Transcriptions (4)
- History of Photography in Sound (5)
- Piano Studies (6)
Flynn
- Trinity (8)
Fox
- 24 Etudes (-)
- Sonata No.2 (-)
Fox
- llik rellik (10)
Francesconi
- Mambo (10)
Furrer
- Piano Concerto (9)
- phasma (8)
Gehlhaar
- Piano Suite (-)
Globokar
- Notes (10-9)
Gołdanowski
- Grand Metamorphosis (3-2)
- Etudes (6)
Hamelin
- Scroll (-)
Heyn
- 203 (5)
- TaP (10)
Hoban
- when the panting STARTS (1)
- whiptail (8)
Ichiyanagi
- Piano Media (-)
- Music for Piano (10)
Jackson
- Pacemaker (8)
Johnson
- Dehiscence Flottements (9)
- Positioning in Radiography (8-7)
- mes pleurants (10)
Kampela
- Nosturnos (6)
Karski
- Streamforms (8)
Kiyama
- 無実の投獄者2007 (1)
- 3 shells (1)
- 4 shells (-)
- suffering middle clouds (6)
- bibou wa netami (7)
-塵肺症 (6)
Kleinlosen
- tonend bewegt (2-1)
- deconstructing cage, Changed Music (9)
Kolomiiets
- Rejection (7-6)
Lachenmann
- Ausklang (9)
Lang
- Monadologie V (7)
Lesser
- Schattenbilder (-)
Lewington
- Studies for Piano (-)
Lim
- World as Lover World as Self (10)
- The Four Seasons (10)
Lorraine
- TACET (9)
Losonczy
- Piranhas (6-5)
Lumsdaine
- Kelly's Ground (-)
Mahnkopf
- Kammerkonzert (8)
- Kammerstuck (8)
- Rhizom (9)
McCormack
- mine but for its sublimation (9-8)
Mizelle
- Transforms (9-8)
Noble
- The Laugh of Medusa (10)
- 65 Studies for the left hand (10)
Nono
- Sofferte onde serene (10-9)
Obermayer
- coil (4)
Palumbo
- Piano Concerto (7-6)
Pauset
- Cinq Canons (8)
Pousseur
- Exercises Pour Piano I II (-)
Rhys
- Not I (-)
Robin
- Deux Études (10)
Rzewski
- The Road (5)
Satie
- Vexation (-)
Saunders
- to an utterance (10-9)
Scelsi
- Action Music (10)
Sciarrino
- De La Nuit (9-8)
- Piano Sonatas (10-8)
Schaeffer
- Study in Diagram (5-4)
- Model XIII (3-2)
Schnebel
- Concert Sans Orchester, expressivo (-)
Shim
- this space (-)
Sorabji
- Piano Sonatas (5-1)
- Piano Concertos (10)
- Solo Concerto (8)
- Symphonic Variations (2-1)
- Opus Clavicembalisticum (4)
- Piano Symphonies (5-1)
- Sequentia Cyclica (7)
- 100 transcendental Studies (9)
Stockhausen
- Klavierstucke VI (6-5)
- Klavierstucke X (8)
- Klavierstucke XIII (6)
Taylor
- Piano Piece 1980 1, 3 (-)
- Variations 4 (-)
Toovey
- Fragments after Artaud (10)
Verheul
- Nocturnal Stories (8-7)
- Alida (8-7)
Xenakis
- Mists (10)
- Evryali (8)
- Herma (9)
- Synaphaï (6)
- Erikhthon (5)
- Eonta (8)
- Keqrops (10)
- A R. (10)
- Dikhthas (10)
- Palimpsest (10)
- Sieben Klavierstucke (-)
Yeats
- William Mumler's Spirit Photography (10)
Yim
- [ten]dril (9)
- Timescreen (10)
Zimmermann
- Wustenwanderung (9)
what do the numbers behind the pieces mean? I know that its some kind of rating of difficulty but what exactly?
@@imagod4796 yes (n)=TOP n
Why Is Klavierstück XIII marked as (-)?
It's as hard as n.6 or 5, at least!
@@StockhausenScores vague...
Vexations?
That is not technically difficult at all. It's just physically (and mentally) difficult if you strictly follow Satie's instruction (to repeat the same thing 840 times).
You'll truly get vexed to death way before even the 84th repetition.
thanks so much for the introduction to these pieces! ive always found the new complexity piano works to be rather indigestible but some of these here seem really interesting
Glad you like them!
10:06 Wrong note!
this is the equivalent of watching a speedrunner do batshit insane glitches while you have little to no understanding what the fuck is going on
This says a lot about society
@Schuyler Bacn 2 nya
Says society is awesome, hell yeah
Wonderful achievements in script. Aurally it is challenging (and need I mention the emptiness of my heart’s response?)
The best features of this music is its free rhythm, delineated through the interest of free pitch, as well as the beautiful sonority of the piano.
If you make a commitment to avoiding tonality, I almost think it would be best that you learn to play the drums. From my perspective as a composer, it’s a brave sacrifice.
I have to compliment you on how precise yet poetically you express your opinions. I wholeheartedly agree, these pieces for me are mostly complex for complexities sake. Granted, I haven't devoted enough time to properly understand them, but I'm left feeling empty after listening to them, as if a child was pressing random keys on the piano
My heart similarly showed no response to these pieces. Nor did my soul. I like to be challenged intellectually, but it's nice when those challenges also take me on an artistic journey.
@@da__lang lol this guy
Ferneyhough's quirl and Mists deserve an honorable mention/spot
Accurate title: hardest pieces without sorj bcause hinton
How about Pierre Boulez - Sonata No.2 and some of Stockhausen pieces?
Stockhausen was quite vague, and boulez... Mayne top 10 tbh
@@achoikomposition그렇군요. 제게는 머리아픈 불레즈소나타 2번 조차도 New Complexity 앞에서는 아무것도 아니었던거로 ㅎㅎ;; (차라리 불레즈 소나타 2번 칠 바에 리스트 베토벤 심포니 9번이나 알캉의 피아노 솔로를 위한 협주곡을 치겠어요😅)
근데 보면 볼수록 피니시 이 사람은... 콘체르토 4번이 1위로 랭크되지 않은게 신기할 지경입니다.
@@melonica90 사실 피니시의 4번째 협주곡과 바렛의 Tract를 같은 순위에 두고싶긴 하지만... 길이상으로 봤을때 Tract가 더 길어서 3등으로 밀려났습니다...
@@achoikomposition 아무래도 같은 수준의 기교라면 길이 차이가 있겠죠 ㅎㅎ 혹시 소랍지 - 소나타 5번 Opus Archmagicum 은 Honorable Mention에 들어갈만 할까요? 이런영상에서 외국의 유튜버들은 소랍지 소나타 5번을 가장 높게 치는걸 몇번 본거 같아서...
Talking about technical difficulty while casting the musical value aside is meaningless.
Just as I could make any difficult piece by definition even more difficult simply by inserting one note to it or enriching a single chord . . .
It all boils down to the ultimate question - is the music worth the difficulty?
6:25
Someone should check out how correctly they are playing.
My personal hell looks like :
any honorable mention?
@@achoikomposition your piece
alternate title: music made by cats sitting on piano
No
@@ShutUpZewenThisIsNotBased What do you mean no?
@@-gorillagutzz-8246 no
@@ShutUpZewenThisIsNotBased im assuming you are inable to speak coherently, its okay man.
@@-gorillagutzz-8246 ok
Subtitle: 10 piano pieces that can safely be forgotten.
This will cause permanent damage to the joints in the fingers.
And in the ears of those who listen
Beaucoup de science pour du n importe quoi
Un chat qui marche sur le clavier
Music is not for everyone.
hardest
Реально, ну. Зачем писать эту перебельду? Кто считает это красивой? Если вы считаете что это авангард, то глубоко заблуждаетесь.
Хотя признать мне Фюрер Фазма понравился
This fucking sheet music hurts to read.
sounds awful!
I was once asked to turn pages for Ian Pace playing English Country Tunes in Cardiff. Safe to say, I refused!
A friend did it instead, but understandably he couldn’t follow the score. A few times, Ian Pace looked annoyed and had to turn the pages himself…
many years ago in dartington i turned pages for "english country tunes". i could follow the beautiful score, but the pianist didn't always play what was written …
BTW there are other performers of "tract".
@@andrewdigby5114
performers of Tract
Yury Favorin
Ian Pace
James Clapperton
Mark Knoop
Jonathan Powell (not sure)
Maybe because they just improvise based on what they manage to catch in the notes.
@@oleed8516yes, thats how these pieces are ussually meant to be played, because there are no rules in modern music
Hard stuff. Some of the pieces sound very much the same and it seems impossible to descern them from each other, but there are some that stick out with a very distinct personality and individual sonority. The most individual piece for me in this row seems to be Wieland Hoban. I like that quite a lot. Whereas most of the pointillistic pieces like Ferneyhough show a lack of distinction in my humble opinion, they don't seem to be different compositions but I have the impression to hear the same piece over and over again.
And this is why: it's like trying to discern fine bone china from the pulverized dust and shards of a badly smashed tea set, not only do the shards and china dust not hold tea, but you can rearrange the bits a hundred ways in the silver tray and they will essentially look no different...we can call them cups (because they are made of the materials that cups once were),..we can pour tea on the bits and tell people these are the most complex cups ever made, and if they don't enjoy drinking tea from them, the fault is theirs, they just haven't spent enough time practicing to lap up tea from these very complex cups, haven't learned how not to lacerate their tongues on the shards and avoid the gritty dust. And then they set this tea out to their guests...and wonder why they've never returned to their house for tea ever again.
Haha... and there is poor old Ravel who thought he had written the hardest piano piece ever 😂 Honestly, all this is just complexity for complexity's sake. None of it serves a musical purpose, and much of it sounds the same. I guess pianists play these pieces just because they can (and perhaps because any normal is way to easy for them). There is plenty of insanely hard piano music that is musically enjoyable and rewarding - Ligeti, Ives, Rzewski, Stevenson, even Sorabji.
Yeah, all the pieces on this list sacrifice musicality for... well, I'm not sure exactly, just being on the record of the hardest piano pieces, I guess. I wouldn't see even a remote interest in attempting to learn this stuff outside of practicing polyrhythms for some. Concerning the performers, none of these pianists are prominent on the pianistic scene, and Pace is only relatively well-known for playing very unknown works... honestly, isn't all this shit about performing insane piano pieces just an excuse not to study actually interesting music, because they know their playing wouldn't get as much attention? Like, I'd pay to see any of them play a late Beethoven sonata, see how these "crazy hard" piano pieces help them
@@ulysse__well, that's the thing though, what about mainstream pianists that focus on classical repertoire... I wanna see how that "musicality" helps them with playing this kind of MUSIC (cause this is proper music, and this music is notated like this because it's meant to be played exactly as is written, it actually helps a lot of people, cause listening to pianists play chopin with "MusIcaLiTY" (as in no sense of rhythm or proper phrasing and just going with the flow) gives me nausea... Chopin would prefer if you did no Rubato at all compared to the bs most modern pianists come up with, and this applies to almost any (good) composer in history of music... So yeah, this is a bit too much, but at least they respect the composer's wishes and aesthetics, and while it isn't pretty or moving or almost anything to me really, at least it's not revolting and it's interesting and does explore the technical limits of the instrument and music cognition, which yes, it is valid by itself, music doesn't have to be "mUsICaL"
Agree mostly, except Xenakis to me can do no wrong.
@@ulysse__ The name of this is experimental music. Composers are just bored mathematicians
When you drop random notes in musescore:
I agree,i try really hard to get into this music but it just seems like randomness to me
@@chipensemble start mildly with some
Busoni and then progress gradually to Schoenberg, Messiaen, Cage and this mess
@@chipensemble btw tbh I struggled a lot in the Vienesse school composers... aware of that.
@@achoikompositionbut busomi, schoenberg,messiaen are actually good composers ,not like the ones in this video (except xenakis)
My cat used to play this
Virtuoso
Based cat
Damn bro, AWESOME list. To me all this music sounds like absolute crap but I still really enjoyed watching this! It’s so awesome what humans are capable off :) Not that I would ever be able to perform any of this 😂 My goals are just La Valse and Ligeti’s piano Etudes, which sound easy compared to this 😮 But to return to what I originally wanted to say: this list is great, there are so many shitty “hardest pieces” lists out there, but this one seems extremely accurate!! Congrats on doing the impossible lol
Literally the classical music of the year of our lord 2300, where children will think of Boulez as we do Bach now lmfao
I really don’t understand the appeal of the works presented here no matter how technically proficient and colorful they might be, but I guess the children who will grow up listening to Boulez as we do Bach now will
I can’t imagine figuring out how to play just one note of any of these pieces. It would take me decades. This just looks like some sort of language from another galaxy! I don’t think even a scientist can figure all of this out without musician’s help.
I’ve spent two years trying to play “beginners” piano and gave up, because I could not get comfortable enough to read each note and squint each time to figure out whether the “dot” was on line two or three, etc., and at the same time remember which key to hit when they weren’t even labeled. When it came to also hitting the pedals, I just QUIT! It was beyond what my multitasking skills could handle at my age…. I was just not fortunate enough to learn it from younger age. That’s why I have huge respect for all the pianists and other musicians who use sheet music out there!
I fell in love with piano music since I was a child, especially when you can hear the vibrations of it live, so I do admire this complexity even if it sounds random to some people. I know how difficult it is to make something this complex and “random” and still make it sound coherent, because I played some random keys myself out of frustration for not being able to learn how to play, and trust me, your ears would not handle it if you had to listen to me play for just a few seconds. 😅
Everyone struggled at first, you can still learn if you love music 😊
Xenakis was literally an engineer
if one had an exam of performing such pieces, will the teacher know if he missed a note or played wrong ones?
They probably wouldn't
Absolutely yes. You don't know what kind of freaks exist in conservatories.
@@albertoaka no
@@albertoaka well that would be really freaky indeed.
@@GUILLOM if the teacher is familiar with the piece, especially if they were the one who worked with them on the piece. They would definitely know if you messed up or missed a note.
Sorry, but. Where is the Music????????????
Edgy music notation
I actually agree...I think it would be more enjoyable, more like a visual kind of uplift, if the sheets were written by proper editing companies because most of them are WAY too difficult to read...Messiaen's pieces are easy to read and are complex in every way, but Finnisey and others....just rip the sheet, there's no way I'm gonna read all that literal pen-on-paper style writing
Most accurate "hardest pieces" list by far. Honorable mentions: Stockhausen VI, Ligeti Desodre (still impossibly awkward for me), and random impossible Cage pieces.
Hello, I appreciate your compliment.
First of all some pieces are physically impossible because humans are all having different physical characteristic traits, because of my handspan Hindemith's piece is impossible. Stockhausen VI is very very hard piece including the X, I haven't included here since it was rather vague. Ligeti's etude seems somewhere top 15 or something, despite being so difficult, it does not surpass the Cassidy's piece
Cage, entirely vague I guess his Piano Concerto or Solo for Piano fits in TOP 1 because of the unintepretable notation. It does not look that complex in terms of pianistic form. While the process of understanding notation and score is very hard. Even I do not understand it and there are some website analyzing them as well. as well as ASLAP, for organ or piano, is impossible as well.
Crappy list, actually. No Herma, Lemma-Icon-Epigram or Rejection, nothing by Sorabji and he included piano and orchestra works, when his title sated "piano pieces" - as in solo piano.
@@franksmith541 Hello
Sorabji- I have mentioned in the description, I striked my previous yt channel because uploading sorabji stuff. I have not included those piece because of the fucking copyright, go read that goddamn description please :)
Lemma Icon Epigram is not harder than Cassidy's, I performed some excerpts privately and it was less painful less polyryhthmic than the Cassidy's piece. Not harder than Opus Contra Naturam. Ian have performed numerous time and it was not mentioned of being one of the hardest.
Herma is easier than three xenakis concerti which is eonta synaphai and erikhthon and physically playable despite being very difficult. Easier than Mists.
Rejection has no score video, I have put on honorable mentions
Also I said do a SUGGESTION not a goddamn COMPLAIN, I spent a million time on this and you are saying it is crappy. I know it should be edited and fixed. I performed the hardest excerpt of these pieces on my list and made them. Know stuff read stuff and then complain. And I have not put 'solo' I just wrote it is piano piece. Get it?
@@achoikomposition No way is Mists harder than Herma. The latter is not legendary for nothing. Also, Lemma is harder than the Cassidy piece - I don't care what your "performance" revealed. Lastly, a work for piano and orchestra is not a "piano piece." Get it? I'm done with this argument.
@@franksmith541 whatever 🙄
Man: How many notes do you want in this song?
Sorbaji and the others: Yes
*Piece
@@brainfl2360 wdym
@@Damian_Theodoridis No-one of these musical pieces are a song. Song is a technical term meaning a very specific thing in music. A Lied by Schubert can be considered a song (albeit it is better described as a Lied) but a piano piece by Finnissy is for sure everything BUT a song.
Please, remember about first part of 6th piano Sonata hy Radulescu! If you will play actually everything at a wished tempo (156BPM), including the folk fragments, it means you are a midi Sequencer.
I was unfamiliar with the Gordon Downie work but MAN, that is genuinely gorgeous. There are parts of it that feel like Berg’s first piano sonata while others feel closer to Sciarrino and Ferneyhough. Thanks for this video!!
A realistic list that avoiding romantic dreams.
When even the best musicologists and pianists in the world drop notes, fudge rhythms, and generally scramble about fruitlessly to try and portray your music properly in concert or in a recording studio... maybe you should realize there are limits to what human beings with a mere ten fingers can achieve, and leave it for the computers. But I'm also glad there are maniacs like Ian Pace who have the mental wiring to decipher such dense and forbidding scores and deliver the best human performances possible.
Mind bogglingly difficult stuff (Finnissey with double polyrhythms in each hand....don't even know how anyone starts with this). But here's a key point - if a pianist hit some wrong notes or played with wrong dynamic who would know (except the composer and pianist)? And, dare I say, who in audience would care? Whereas a piece like Ravel's Scarbo may not be as technically nightmarish as these but the audience will immediately hear wrong notes or dynamics that "don't work" - this puts a lot more pressure on the pianist. I do actually like some of Xenakis and Finnissey - there's a sort of madness in Finnissey's country tunes which contrasts with the slow, melancholic and even melodic sections.
Ah yes, I love "Music"
on comment since description has shown several errors
This list is highly subjective, I've analysed and performed some hard excerpts shown in this list, and listed them. I admit some sections should be edited but do not complain about it. I have excluded Sorabji materials in order not to infringe copyright regulations and get striked.
I do not own anything from the video alright goes to the respective owners, please notify me if I have infinged or violated copyright regulations and I would remove the video immediately
Performers
X - Ian Pace
Cassidy - Ten monophonic miniatures for pianist
IX - Ian Pace
Ferneyhough _ Opus Contra Naturam
VIII - Ian Pace
Downie _ Piano piece no.2
VII - Martino Joste
Bussotti _ Pour Clavier
VI - Douglas Madge
Xenakis _ Synaphai
V - Hiroaki Ooi
Xenakis _ Erikhthon
IV - Michael Finnissy
Finnissy _ English Country Tunes
III - Ian Pace
Finnissy _ Piano Concerto No.4
II - Ian Pace
Barrett _ Tract
I - Ian Pace
Hoban _ when the panting STARTS
Honorable mention list is a group of pieces I have not included in the list because of various problems, if you have suggestions comment down below please
You should pin this comment
@@wilh3lmmusic I forgot lol
@Narfen the name of each piece next to the performers would really help too. Great list! I agree with what you've chosen here.
@@davisatdavis1 sure, I will edit that :)
Pin it again please.
Also SV is harder than OA if played in one sitting
Very impressive feats of composition I'm sure, and the scores are rather interesting to gawk at, but why are they all fucking cacophonous and unlistenable?
When music ends and noise begins. Although it's very interesting (technically seen), large parts of these compositions sound to me like randomly generated notes. The "musical listener" is longing for certain structures, lines, rhythms etc.
Saying you can’t tell the pieces apart - let alone the composers - makes as much sense as saying all Mozart sonatas sound the same, or all Chopin sound the same. BTw, my friends who only listen to pop can’t tell Mozart and Chopin apart… same thing happening here it seems. 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
(at roughly 9:26) "(29:28")-tuplet " is when I lost it. Someone please tell me with a straight face that this was played accurately.j
posting this on Rousseau videos until he agrees to play one of them
lol Rousseau cannot even perform Alkan's solo concerto
@@achoikomposition meh probably. It’s a group of people. Someone has got to have the technique.
@@achoikomposition you say that like it's an easy feat.
@@-gorillagutzz-8246 I'm saying as a relative concept. Isn't everyone agrees that Alkan's solo concerto is easier than the pieces on the list
@@achoikomposition ah, i see. very well
Tis is everything but music !
I don't know if anyone can relate but this to me is kinda like the old days when Doctors purposely adopted the crazies & unreadable calligraphy on prescription pads & I'd always be concerned the pharmacist would end up giving me a lethal combination of whatever they managed to "decipher", 😆 🤣 They make it harder cause they can! They like being perceived as the 😎 genius in the block.
i would believe you if you played one of these pieces and said that it was a cat having a seizure on the piano
frog compilations
Теперь 10 самых легких пьес! :)
Not that hard. I put two of my cats on the keyboard this morning and they played four of these pieces flawlessly. Neither ever had a single lesson.
There's just so many around... It's easy to write a very hard piece for piano. It's very hard to write a hard piece for piano that people would care to learn and perform.
Ok, good warm-up exercises, but when do pianists start playing?
Kind of an odd question, but how does one get to the point of even being able to approach this music? Just years of practice? Can someone "plateau" at a certain level of skill even if they spend dozens of hours a week practicing?
I was expecting for Rach 3😢
NEVER HAHAHAHAH
Genuine question here. Does anyone actually enjoy this type of music? Would anyone want to go to a concert and pay to listen to someone perform these works? I don’t doubt that it’s ‘art’, and that it’s an expression of the composer’s artistic vision but let’s be honest…this type of music is very hard to listen to and they epitomise the reason why modern classical music is unpopular.
They remind me of when I was a child at the piano just doodling random notes but now they’ve been notated into a score that looks complicated.
I’m sure someone out there will tell me I don’t *get* this music but against the genius that was Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Brahms, Tchaikovsky, Mahler etc. etc. I really struggle to find the musical value in these pieces. Keen to hear what others think.
1. Yes
2. Yes, me and others
3. Because it's so good for me
4. Meaningless Graffiti are commonly NOT classified as music notation, (Fluxus could be exceptional)
@@achoikomposition bro is living in the year 2523 with this music.
@@isthatajojoreference149 I'm from year 6969
I've seen kids hitting random notes on the piano, doesn't sound like this usually
I don’t enjoy this music, but I have attended a concert of it being played. I LOVED it, I disliked the sounds but seeing someone pour so much emotion is something so hanous was absolutely inspiring! (I actually heard a piece there which I now quite like: Loevendies lerchentrio). If you ever have the chance to see a live concert of this type of music, I really recommend attending! It is truly something special to see :) I still don’t like listening to this but after that concert I realized that wasn’t necessary. I appreciate the music for what it is, but I don’t feel the need to listen to it.
hate to see all these bigoted comments from people who don't have anything better to do with their time than to be hateful of such great art. they don't even bother to understand it. they just want to whine about how it "isnt real music". the truth is the truth, this is music. this is real music. this is art. this is beautiful art.
Where
Xenakis - Eonta
Claus-Steffen Mahnkopf - Kammerkonzert
Finnissy - Song 9 (yeah the one from the thumbnail, tbh i don't know if a recording exists but it'd be bonkers if you included it)
Eonta was a bit vague item to put in the list and there was already 2 xenakis's pieces, in order to vary pieces and composers I have excluded them.
Mahnkopf - kammerminiatur was rather short, I would place it somewhere below TOP 10. kammerkonzert seems to fit in around top 7
Song 9 , someone tried to make a midi file (I requested ) since there was no recording or discographies. Not only Song 9 but other piano song series were unperformed :) I cannot make them since I am not a expert on that
I listened to a recording of Song 9 in the BMIC (British Music Information Centre which no longer exists ). It was a fantastic performance by Ronald Lumsden who it’s dedicated to.
@@MorganHayes_Composer.Pianist it would be so fabulous if you record that :) I would do a score video for sure if you obtain them
@@achoikomposition the BMIC sent all their collection to Huddersfield and the British Library. In both cases, very strict about members of the public making copies of audio.
I was thinking it was more surprising Finnissy - Verdi Transcriptions was not here
Very accurate! I LOVE IT
wonderful. thanks. ❤
The text fades away too quickly, but interesting list
Maybe also the top 10 least musical? lol
This video is very important in revealing just how high the super-transcendental bar has been raised ! A very welcome guide, especially when compared with the multitude of online videos that rarely reach the ultimate levels of pianistic difficulty !!
🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹🎹
The first piece sounds like my cat walking across the keyboard.
György Ligeti : Piano Etude No.1 :
Ok....
Subtitles go by much too fast to read.
Now, imagine you are a grade 1 student and your teacher asks you to sight read one of these
what is the transition music
It is Roberto Azaretto 's lago paisajismo abstracto 2 :)
piano in minecraft enchantment table language
9:39 wtf do those stems even mean
Group of grace notes
It is meant to be one continuous attack or something
0:07
1:14
2:16
3:06
4:59 concerto
6:28 concerto
8:11
10:17
11:37
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날먹 타임스탬프다ㅏㅏ 감사해열
@@achoikomposition 우왓..... 한국인이셨어요..?
@@이름수정-x8y 맞습니다:) 닉네임이 한국어길래 반가웠습니다
Never let them know your next move
0. John stump - death waltz
If I add that, the entire video would turn into a joke vid
@@achoikomposition yes
In that case you should just add rush e or sth and people will go haha funni piece
I can't call this music
Between listening to these "songs" and Brazilian Funk, I'd rather lose my hearing permanently
Music has two purpose. To entertain and to inspire. The piano works here has almost zero entertainment but quite inspiring.
The difficulty comes from them not being musical. The audience could have the same experience from you improvising a similar style.
Yes, sometimes they sound like my frustrated why-can't-I-get-this-right "improvisations" that cover the entire keyboard with not a whit of musicality to them, though plenty emotion!
HAHA FUNNY JOKE
Based On A Theme By Haydn .
A sterile dead end for Western music.
YESSSS
I procrastinated this content so much lol
Hello Narfen! Great piano pieces, and i kinda agree that these works are the hardest. I have seen some comments😅😅 not really inspiring. Btw do you know how hard is Finnissy's Snowdrift?
Thanks for your comment, and I am aware of that infamous piece. It is difficult for sure, however, not harder than these pieces, probably similar difficulty with Kemp's Morris?
@@achoikomposition Thank you! I didn't really knew how hard it is, beause there are really fast parts in this piece (and it is making it hard but every piece takes time to learn) and i agree on your opinion on the work. (Anyways sorry for bothering you, i just want to learn it.)😅
@@szilardszilagyicomposer what?? No need to feel sorry about this! It's a fun discussion to speak about though :)
Snowdrift has incredibly fast measures especially shown in those numerous grace notes eh. With shit amount of leaps and arpeggios. Besides that it has specific dynamics and articulations, rhythms as well to consider in order to express those vacant, whiteness, delicacy but on the other hand, eternal intensity, harshness and all those things... very hard piece overall, but cannot surpass most pieces by Finnissy.
Thanks for your question and feel free to ask please! I like suggestions and discussions to talk about, but I dislike all those repetitive complaints and whining about stuff... you know things happen 😅. Check my other videos :)
Listening to this for the sake of curiosity is almost like applying paint, diarrhea, sludge, and other media onto a canvass and calling it art because you used various methods of application. You know, I would rather see that than hear this.
Difícil nem sempre quer dizer bonito, isso parece uma criança brincando com as teclas sem saber absolutamente nada sobre música 🙄
Just for you sir :p
this is not piano, sorry chopin
this is piano, sorry 🫠
Orribile per me
La follia totale!
Бездарное нечто́.
Ok
Тогда не слушай
Random question (with probably no objective answer), but which do you consider the true top 1: Hoban WTPS or Sorabji Piano Symphony No.0?
Well, considering length and general physical stamina to handle the difficulty, Symphony no.0 would be definitely the hardest piece since the length is more than 5 hours long, while wtpS could be harder in technical term
Wtps wins in the technical aspect by a mile, but Symphony 0 takes the cake with the musicality and length (6-8 hours, about the length of Opus Archimagicum). Imo I’d go with Symphony 0: Not only it is unperformed, it’s unreasonable to do so
@@notmusictheory74 tied
@@achoikomposition no
@@notmusictheory74 🤣
When you’re making music so hard you forgot it’s music.
Cats walking across keyboards during every horror movie ever made..Book 1
This is what happens when you notate a toddler mindlessly bashing the keyboard
LoL
What's the piece in the thumbnail? Seems like Sorabji to me
It is Finnissy's Song 9!
Video when?
hmm, I do not obtain the audio, I cannot make a score video rn
@@achoikompositionmake a midi
@AndreaColombo-fx1wh not an expert of making a midi for that horrendous score...
Imagine if all this energy were put into writing and playing good music
Why should anyone even try to read this bullshit? Sorry to be rude, but I mean like.... Seriously?!
That's not a good music or good musicianship. Music should reflect something more real than just crazy technique and unreadable piece of papers...
There are a-tonal/avant-grade music that has meaning to it, don't get me wrong...
The abyss of the classical music… what a shame that is has come to this, and they still call it music, once sublime reflecting humanity and God, and now garbage.
c‘mon its not garbage those composers devoted their lives to it
Lol... Noob
Totally agree, this is not music
Cry harder.
You can not possibly be or create anything more garbage than 'Humanity and God' (doesn't matter if you perceive the latter literally or as an abstract conception))
Lousy list. Where's Xenakis' Herma? Where's Ferneyhough's Lemma-Icon-Epigram? Where's Kolomiiet's Rejection (played lousily by Ian Pace). Also, you included at least one work for piano and orchestra - that's not a "piano piece" (as per your title), that's a piece for piano and orchestra.
I have replyed to your answer
@@achoikomposition nice
Cope
So I can make the hardest piano piece of all time by just pressing random notes in the piano, right? Without thinking about "music" at all.
No
@@achoikomposition I just did. The only difference is that I didn't write it.
@@m.moonsie please no lol
Since when do you have 500 subs
probably 3 weeks ago
@@achoikomposition I have not been keeping up with community, last time I checked you had less than 200 subs
@@Cryseris I see, thanks for compliment
Why would you even try to write it down?
Much of this is just noise that AI can replicate. And a computer can play it better.
waiting for this AI of your
@@null8295 dont worry, this random noise is easy to simulate; no sense of pitch or tonality or direction required.
@@brumels1570 great, make sure to upload some simulations on your channel
@@brumels1570lol, yeah, show me... And don't be stupid about it, tell me a specific moment of this video and replicate that texture and we'll see, and also show me the recording and we'll compare