Erecting Our Tiny House | Metal Stud Framing
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- How we got all four of our walls up in 10 minutes! Also, how to prep your subfloor for walls, how we anchored our walls, and how we did our roof rafters.
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Our Video on How to Build with Metal Studs:
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Just a quick tip. If you're trying to drill or screw into metal like that, and the screw/bit keeps skipping and sliding rather than drilling, get a nail and a hammer and knock it once real good right where you want the hole. The nail doens't need to go all the way through, it just needs to make a divit so the bit/screw can't skip away.
That is the sketchiest scaffolding I have ever seen. Love it!
I implore you to stop and rethink your anchoring scheme. As an engineer of 27 years and tell you that the anchoring system at 2:27 will fail. Your toe plate stud must be filled with a wood stud or rectangle tube member of at least 10ga material (guesstimate not knowing final weights) to distribute the loads. Think about it. Under shear force that sharp edged washer of a mere 1-1/4 circumference is taking all load. You showed how flimsy 22ga sheet metal studs are when you scored with a box knife and bent it back 3-4 times until it snapped off. Same deal here. The washer will act like a hole punch every time the vehicle stops short. Please consider retrofitting your toe plate studs with horizontal studs to distribute the load across the entire length of the steel stud; at a minimum for several inches around each anchor. If I’m wrong show me the math but I don’t want to see your house rip off it's foundation. The other issue is there load transfer between horizontal and vertical planes. You need at least 2 on each wall of something like this: www.strongtie.com/holdownsandtensionties_coldformedsteelconstruction/s-hdsands-hdb_productgroup_cfs/p/s.hds-and-s.hdb notice how there are multiple holes on the vertical to prevent tear out of the thin sheet metal. And a thick reinforced plate on the base to prevent point failure like the washer alone method could cause.
hows that armchair?
Excellent contribution. Thank you.
Yes lateral structure should incorporate these for sure.
They didnt use 22ga it 25 ga. 16 ga would be better and making box beams to carry the weight.
@@timothygradowski9574 I have a 26 foot Brave that I want to rip down and put back together without wood frame. Hopefully my winter project with a one piece metal or aluminum roof. Box beams for roof is in the plans.
I so appreciate all the comments on the build that point out what is unsafe and a better way of some of their processes. Cute young couple and awesome for trying...good job for beginners... I appreciate even more the polite way it was pointed out. THANK YOU to the pros for being so nice about it. wish they'd found you before they started. As they mentioned in beginning they did try. a million videos on steel structures. I have to .. and NO ONE ever mentions the grades used. first time I've seen one that did right here. comments told me proper grade. So from me and all us trying to build our tiny as well THANK YOU for info. and thanks for NOT down grading this young couple for trying. A + for effort.. I'm stick around and see the finish product, bet it'll be cute..
Minor point, because of the thickness (or lack thereof) of the stud it is unlikely that the washer upgrade will be of any value while increasing weight.
Because of transverse load the doubled studs may not be as strong with transverse forces which because this is a vehicle isn't great, that doesn't mean I think it will break, only that it is not a good compromise and it also reduces your space for insulation (while increasing your living space slightly)
If you can adding diagonal beams between the walls would add a huge amount of strength for a tiny addition of weight.
Great work! nice to see this project.
The carriage bolts used in the connections from walls to trailer made me cringe. The bolts are installed upside down. When that nut vibrates off that "lock" washer, your bolts will be laying on the highway with the rest of your house. Flip the bolt and double nut/ nylon nut it. This also gives you access from under the trailer to routinely check the tightness of these connections.
My exact thought, sink those suckers deep so when the wood expands it will help keep them tight when it contracts you have to check the nuts
The problem with the square washers is the four sharp corners will shear the steel framing with it's natural sway. The surface area that it covers is relatively insignificant. Great videos though! Learned a lot.
The only tip I would give is to use a clamp to hold the studs together . It will eliminate the screws walking while drilling . Vice grip makes a tool designed for this . Great job ... Peace
Using a hammer, nail and tapping a ding in the stud before attempting to screw it in will also help the screws from walking.
Vegan Mike !! I didn't know you were a builder too, hahaha ! Vice-grips(locking pliers) are a big help when holding metal studs to tracks for screwing !! Run to the rescue with love and peace will follow ! nice job !!
👍🙏 hi guys so interesting and amazing I am given a contract to build a elementary classroom and am planning to build it with metal studs and thanks for the videos it's so helpful 💯👍
Great build guys your tiny looks great, the scaffolding looked a little sketchy but! love the diy attitude though really cool
You guys are doing a great job so far! I've been watching a lot of tiny house videos the last few days learning more about the process, different materials to use, and a few helpful design tips. It looks like you guys have really done your research in terms of maximizing every square inch of space. If you haven't planned on it yet, you should put up a site with all your notes, plans and ideas to have in one place. Good work so far! I look forward to watching along with you.
I just subbed to this channel. Good luck on this new channel. I am VERY interested in living with less and I can't wait to see how everything turns out for you.
I know this video is old, but just looking at it a thought occurs to me. In lots of industrial buildings you see an "X" of cable in some of the bays to make them rigid. The same principal could be applied here, on a smaller scale of course. Maybe flat strapping? Or 1/8" cable?
I really enjoy these! :) My uncle thought about doing something similar before and this video might finally get him started.
I personally never heart about it -> super interesting! Looking forward to seeing it finished.
Great work guys keep those videos coming! I'm really interested in doing something similar in the future so I can't wait to see how this all turns out
So helpful watching you guys do all my work (!) Thanks!
It says in the description of the studs you purchased that they are "non-load bearing" studs for partition walls. I would be cautious about using these.
I'd be most worried about 2 things when using metal studs for a mobile structure. 1) screws shaking loose, and they will, if they are not secured somehow. I'm thinking you could use lock washers and nuts on each one, but that's probably going to make it more expensive than building with wood. 2) attaching your sheathing/siding/paneling for both interior and exterior. Seems like a bad idea to just attach wood siding or wood paneling to the metal studs without putting blocks behind it to screw into, but that will increase weight, or perhaps securing it with nuts and bolts instead of screws, but that will again significantly increase cost and build time. I believe these are the reasons people don't generally build tiny houses on trailers with metal studs. Although it sounds like a good idea at first, by the time you do everything you need to in order to make sure the framing and siding don't shake apart while driving down the highway at 60 mph, you end up increasing the cost and or weight to the point where building with wood is actually better.
Bruz I dont see how you could say using bolts with lock wash and nut hardware would make it more expensive than just using wood and screws, just use mcmaster carr or whatever and not home depot.
Before tightening the nuts, use a drop of Loctite. If you use the Blue, it allows you to remove the nut if need to. The Red will pretty much make it Non-removable. I also use the Nylon Lock Nuts instead of the lock washers.
love the technique .. its silent when you build ..for me thats amazing .. and it gets as strong as you want ..bit like the eifel tower 👍
Great inspiration for my fiancé and I to build. Thanks for sharing.
What the hellll. I had no idea Mic the Vegan had a tiny house channel, haha. I just randomly stumbled upon this. Cool!
glad you found us ;-)
@@tiytinyityourself7733 You cannot use 25 ga. steel!!!!! Please reconsider, this is a very flimsy build
When you mention it he does look malnutritioned... :/
@@makidominguez5856 what size is safe? plz share
@@lost_ducks Nothing less than 18 Ga. preferably 16 Ga. 25 Gauge is practically tin can material.
Can't wait for the next videos
OK, I know it's like 6 years after the fact, but I wanted to say this anyway. I'm a retired commercial carpenter who worked with metal stud framing, drywall and specialized in acoustical ceilings.
If you ever build another one, here's a tip for stabilizing the roof. BEFORE you install the top halves. Lay them out flat, square the corners as you mentioned, then place two long studs corner to opposite corner. Notch out for the ceiling joists and place two screws in each joint. Basically forming a large X-Brace.
It's much easier, AND... more accurate to do this on the ground than in the air. Hope this helps and/or makes your day.
great works and Love it.
Nice framing
hope your using locking fluid for the bolts. also, the bracing seems random. Like, ah ya lets put a brace here.
Yes, I was thinking "folks need some Loc-Tite right about now"
I thought locktite also but then realized his lock bolt has polymer internal segment, so it wouldn't interact the same anyway.
Really enjoy the detail in your videos!! But I wanted to see how much did it cost to make the entire metal frame? And how much did your home end up weighing? Thanks!
Such a great job 👍
How about a load calculation video/Sample?
Looks perfect
Damn ya'll never heard of dry cut metal saws? Checkout the Ironton 14" metal dry cut saw, just bought one on sale at Northern Tools for $234.00 shipped to my door. If your working with any kinda of metal it's worth the investment. You could use it to cut the metal for the trailer build also. I'm a welder, I would tig weld all the joints.
As long as this house mostly stays put you should be fine. The bolts holding down would be better off nuts on bottom. Without an engineering degree or at least someone qualified checking small mistakes could be catastrophic. . What works for a stationary building isn’t the same as what works for something that moves. Just because it seems rigid when mass moves and then stops there are considerable forces on it. Good luck, I hope it all works out.
if you use the right screw bit and screw to the back edge of the stud, the screws should fly in no problem
Really really cool you guys! My husband and I want to something like this but we're waiting until our kids are teenagers. We feel they need a more grounded upbringing before we decide to become traveling gypsies. School, friends, & steady socialization are pretty important and difficult to get when your home is on wheels....so we figure the easiest way is to wait. Plus then we have all of those extra chances to talk about Veganism with the gen pop. Are you two considering children? If so how might that work? I'm open...Renting and saving til then. 😁👍🏼I also love the bonding it creates when A couple builds something as awesome as a home together ❤️🦋👌🏼
Monica Palombo ^this statement
Kyle Monczak maybe too much caffeine today? lol 😂just lettin it fly🦇 👽🦄
As someone that moved around a lot as a child I could definitely empathize with not wanting that life for your kids. I would say that a lot of people build tiny houses on trailers not necessarily to travel but to get around certain min. build limits or codes. We have seen tinys were people have kids and it has worked out well for them but I don't think it's for everyone. Personally growing up I spent waaaayyy more time outside than in, and I think smaller spaces can encourage people and families to explore outside. We aren't sure how kids factor into our tiny lifestyle yet but will just enjoy the journey until then.
-Lyndi
use a metal punch, to dimple the spot were u want to put a screw
You tell about a load calculation, can you tell me about that so I can calculate for my own structure. Thank you so much! 😊
I may have missed something, but what was your reasoning for the valley pitch on the roofline?
Hey guys great job! Love you both! Me and my fiance are transitioning into healthy veganism! It's going great and love watching your videos on veganism and tiny living! I was wondering if you wouldn't mind doing a video on counter tops and bathrooms! Thanks ton keep up the great work!
Thanks for the upload man!!
do you have video on wiring the trailer and the brake control ? I need one ty deb
do you guys have a video on how you did the subfloor of the trailer?
Trust me this is built WAY better than travel trailers, motor homes, this probably won’t be towed near as much as rv’s
thanks for sharing )
Ingenious!
Was all the walls premeasured and cut before assembly on the unlevel ground.
Какие молодцы!!!
Since this build is mobile, I would have used Steel Pop Rivets vs self tap screws . . .
You should list the "special tools" that these metal studs make necessary.
Nice work. how many KG is possible to load per sqm of Steel Framing?
What's the point of making a valley roof?
Use framing sharp point screws, and a C clamp..
Ty
You built this without plans? I'm a metal stud framer and you did pretty damn good I think
Hey just wanted to ask, do you think 25 gauge steel is ok for a structure that wont be moving a lot, just osb and plastic roofing on the exterior?
0:11 Mic adjusting his height :D Hope it wasn't to uncomfortable to stand with slightly bent knees x)
What are your thoughts of the strength of steel vs. wood? Thank you for sharing your video. Nice project. Where did you get your steel studs?
Just wondering the budget yous are working with? I'm not thinking about doing anything like this any time soon but it would be nice to have a gauge to perhaps save towards. Also will this house be transportable or will you be making it static? Great video thanks for sharing your experience!
Yep, I have the same questions. If you have land and going to be static then why use a trailer when you could have made a foundation? You are using metal studs I guess for light weight for towing? Is the metal stronger than traditional wood framing? And the extra loft is a neat idea. I hope it will all be anchored down in the end. Great job! Wish I was younger to build one but I may have chosen shipping container construction but whatever works. Are you planning for any plumbing? Cheers!
There's multiple reasons to put it on a trailer... Even if you don't plan on moving to another area you may still want to be able to chance where on a property it is placed...
Building on wheels means you aren't restricted by the same building codes as foundation based structures have to follow, which may require you to install a septic system and other requirements, assuming they even allow you to build something this size but many places have minimum size requirements that can be well above 800 sq ft or even above 1600 sq ft, making building anything smaller otherwise impossible.
Using a trailer can be cheaper than building a foundation, which can be $4000 on up to over $10,000, depending on type and amount of work required for the specific area and type of ground you're working with... Right now they spent less than that on the trailer, which they got cheap...
While, something like this isn't really intended for resale but unless you sell property with land, it can be easier to sell something that can be moved to someones else's property.
If the local authorities decide you shouldn't be living in even a THOW then being on wheels means you can move it instead of having it condemned and destroyed... and helps avoid getting thrown in jail if you for whatever reasons can't fully remove the foundation it was on... That happened to a guy who just wanted a wind turbine on his property and was ordered to remove it because his neighbors complained and ran into the issue that completely removing the foundation he put for it would have destroyed his house too and they threw him in jail for failing to fulfill the court order to the letter...
When placing such a structure in the wilderness, you have to worry about things like forest fires, etc. and having the ability to move the structure can then come in handy even if you don't plan on moving somewhere else...
For metal framing, yes and no... It's generally stronger and you can design it to be lighter by using less materials. However, wood framed structures can flex more easily and that makes them more resilient to vibration damage from things like earthquakes and it's easier to insulate wood... But metal will last longer...
Every construction method has its pros and cons...
We are going low budget but will not skimp on anything in terms of safety and structural integrity. Our projected budget is around 4K in materials and 3K in appliances. It will probably end up being a little more since random things can add up here and there. We plan to transport it maybe once or twice, to a more permanent/semi-permanent location. The reason people build on trailers is it allows them to get around minimum building square footage and other random codes than really dont pertain to tinys, as per the comment below.
We used metal because its way lighter than wood and we have to work within the confines of our trailer weight limit. Metal is as strong as wood but the metal gets its strength when you sheath it, like with OSB. We gave a slight preview of plumbing in our trailer video. We plan to cover that topic more in depth in a later video.
TIY: Tiny it Yourself thanks for the replies it's appreciated! Hopefully I'll be able to follow suite someday, would love to have a tiny house even as a little holiday/weekend home to getaway.
awsm work!
25 gauge for taller than 6.5 feet is crazy
How did you do your load calculation? Is there a link?
I install metal stud framing for a living.lets co-op on some designs.
25 gauge sounds pretty thin, how has that been going so far?
Hi. What is the measurements of the metal studs used?
I am curious of the roof pitching towards a center point. What is the idea in this design?
5:33 That scaffolding though :-O A little push to the left and...
we will have a video about it, yes it has added supports since this footage
Guy's I wish I would have seen your channel sooner, the nut should be on the outside just so you can tighten the nut if it come's loose at some point, but other than that great job, I'm sure you guy's will learn more as time goes on about the materials available to you in constructing your tiny house.
How heavy do you think that is?
New sub guys, a lot thought gone into your framing, now to catch up on the rest of your videos.
Could you anchor this to a concrete driveway?
How many metal studs do you think you used per wall?
What about the roof? Does the metal frame work as well?
What gauge steel?
7:50 he explains the different gauges....
Hello Guys I would like to build my own Tiny house with metal studs, where may I get one Plan Layout? Thank you
TIY FTW 4EVAAA ERRRDAY
How do you guys deal with water getting into the inside of the trailer when it rains since you aren't building it under some kind of roof?
We got 4 mil poly sheet plastic, and taped it all the way around our trailer, that way we wouldnt have to tarp it everyday.
That's what she said....
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nice scaffle ...
How much did the metal framing cost all together?
What is your total height from the ground to the highest point?
Need an impact instead of a drill, much easier to get the screws into the studs
Metal Construction News is a free publication with lots of resources available to help you out on your journey into Light Gauge steel stud framing, insulating and cladding. I've been working in commercial construction using steel building materials since the early 90's and the Metal Construction News is always helpful.
www.metalconstructionnews.com
I love you!
Structural framing with 25 gauge..Yikes. That's only for interior partition walls. 18 gauge minimum for structural support.
Ive seen several people use those studs for tiny houses.I have to agree it looks all kinds of wrong!
That said the house framers around here always use 0.75mm (between 21G and 22G) so 0.5mm may be usable.I hope they're getting an engineer to check it though!
The sky is falling! 25 gauge!! It's a trailer. Not a skyscraper.
where did you guys buy your metal??
Menards
25 g will not work for exterior hevy wind will rip that thing apart
The drive will tare it apart
Are you located in Ellsworth?.My wife and I took a walk one
day and talked to two guys building a tiny house. you look familar.
Skeeeetttccchhhh
Only here because the words “erecting” and “stud” were in the same title.
Jk, tiny homes are just so darn innovative!
You should have changed with a longer screw (Time: 3:30)
You have a great idea but there is so much incorrect here. The studs you are using are for interior use only. You need to first get an engineer to run the calcs for a sound structure. At best you should be using a 16 ga studs for an exterior structure that will likely see a 55 mph wind load.
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Never build metal on the ground. Always build in the air
when in doubt, just cut corners
Death trap
To bad that all the studs are no going in the correct direction..
Sheet metal.. no eye protection....
I guess I am first. and I still don't know what to say!!!
All you walls must be way outta plumb you dident rack them at all