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And I just purchased the 2019 (3.6) Rubicon 🙂, I knew this (diesel) was coming but I didn't think it was arriving before the end of the year. I love my Jeep, I love my Jeep, I love my Jeep.....
@@2015_Rubicnn IIRC, "Alex on Autos" was at this event also...I recall him saying in HIS video there he was in 4-high and that still did all the climbs just fine -- never needed to change from 4-high. -- BR
That one seems a bit noisy but I do agree. I have had two Diesel Volvo's so far, one S70 TDI ( Audi straight 5 with 145 hp) and a Volvo V70 D5 ( Volvo's own straight 5 with 165 hp.) Both engines sounds amazing and real cruisers with that power when you need it and I think the Diesel wrangler is possibly the coolest car around when it comes to an off roader. Great video too boys! 👍
The clatter really is muted on any of these new commonrails, too. Yes, it's still audible, but overall very, very muted from what diesels used to be. And many of these newer diesels when you're cruising down the highway, the RPMs are so low that you don't even hear the engine at highway speeds. Just wind noise.
Hard to like the sound of a diesel - can't tell if it's running right or on the edge of imminent failure. Too stressful when you're out in the middle of nowhere and trying to determine if all is well or if a valve has fallen out of the head and is just rattling around in the cylinder.
The towing capacity on vehicles these days is hardly ever limited by engine strength. It's usually a function of wheel base and braking power that is cause for limiting the towing capacity.
Very true. The Jeep chasis are easily one of the strongest and most iconic chasis ever but the wheelbase and soft suspension really limit them. Case and point- my tj 😂
I’ll wait 2 years for the EPA to bust them, then get one secondary market. I learned my lesson with my 2015 Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel. Still waiting on my check FCA!!!
WK diesel owner here, my 07 Mercedes 3.0 is the greatest power plant ever put in a Jeep. I get torque to spare, great power on the roads, and great mpg's If the new Wrangler diesel is even close to this then they hit a home run
Ive owned 3 jeeps in the past. I think it's amazing how long it took them to finally build a 4 door. But the fact that they finally built a diesel honestly is beyond belief. I imagine we don't really need A V8 but that's the only other thing Jeep owners have asked
Correct thanks for being the brilliant man to point that out. Yes they built A 304 before I was born. So 40 plus years later and in a completely different platform called the Wrangler there has never been A V8. And people have been swapping them in for many years.
I like this a lot. Jeep needed to put that front camera they have on the JT on these Wranglers as well, would make a marked difference for trail running and rock climbing. Good review.
Vault 614 I have seen then on a JL before a Rubicon model. Anyways here is a link on the wrangler forum to do it yourself. www.jlwranglerforums.com/adding-a-forward-facing-off-road-camera-to-your-jeep-jl-wrangler/
@@TheVikingSailor I have a 3.8 and wanted to regear. Going to 5.13, did you need to change anything other than the ring and pinion? I've heard at some point, you need a larger diff pumpkin
@@mattbrew11 With 440 lbs of torque and the amount of clutches in an 8 speed trans you don't need 4.10 with a diesel. Tuned these thing will be able to run 37"s with factory gears.
"Is it the same engine as in the Ram?" "No, they moved stuff like the alternator because water." That makes it basically the same engine, though. Just with accessories in different locations for waterproofing reasons. The engine itself is the same.
@@pahalwanathiest If you want a Willy's Jeep Mahindra will sell you a copy of one called the Roxor. 2.5 L diesel, five speed, fully boxed frame, Dana 44 axles. Yes they are sold as off road but for about $1k they can be made road legal.
40k is too much, but as long as people with a 620 FICO score and a crappy job can walk in and finance them out over 8 years they will still buy them. At some point that's going to end badly for all of us.
For now, I'm sticking with my beloved Jeep TJ. I had it since 2004 and never really had a problem with it. My next Jeep will have to be a 2 door. It's amazing the amount and type of abuse the Jeep can handle.
I have that engine with a remap in my Alfa Romeo Giulia, great engine. This must be the most fuel efficient engine ever in a wrangler, not the 3.0 like Roman said.
I love the fact its a noisy diesel, thats what I love about oldschool diesels is the noises they made. Can't wait to see what the aftermarket can do to these..
I drive my Jeep from Indy to Ouray and Moab each year. The diesel makes the most sense for me. That said, I can buy a lot of gasoline for that $6000 upcharge for the diesel and auto combo.
I’d love to see an updated comparison of this and the Rebel, now that they have comparable engine options. For someone like me who doesn’t go rock crawling, the usability of the truck is appealing. Pure capability off road vs usability for daily life.
In the 70's and 80's...37 were small. Everyone I knew ran 38's to 40's with the occasional 44's. Of course you do see alot more guys with lockers which is nice. I'm going to wait for a 2-door diesel Rubicon.
GGW now that is true. I got the first generation ram 1500 eco diesel and love it. Btw army is putting them in their vehicles after Banks upgrades the engines! Europeans know how to build diesels.
I'm happy to finally see a factory diesel option in the Wrangler, but that price tag is $12k less than what I spent on a loaded F250 Lariat FX4. If they could get that configuration even close to high 30's or 40k, it would be much more realistic. The problem is all the extra, commuter things they've added to Jeeps over the years to appeal to a wider market. I couldn't imagine getting a $60,000 SUV and then offroading it... especially when it's going to take another $3-5k in aftermarket parts to get it truly offroad worthy. I like it, but I'll stick to my 04 LJ and save up for an engine swap lol
Really really like this engine in the Wrangler. It'll be years before I can even think of buying one, but being a diesel guy for 15 years now, I can't help but like the torque delivery and just how much of it is available right in the rev range where you use the engine every day. Less downshifting required to pass on the highway, just squeeze just enough throttle to not trigger a downshift and you have ample gain of speed with no waiting and little noise. This also applies to going up steep grades, the RPMs can stay much, much lower than a gas engine that has way less torque, but similar horsepower. Driving in the mountains with diesels is a joy. Just a much less frantic experience. It feels effortless. The ultimate off road finally got the engine it deserves.
Well believe it or not a turbo 4 or 6 can be made with high torque at low rpms. In fact my 2009 Volvo C70 with a turbo 5 cyl makes its max torque starting at 1800 rpm! Plus I get at least 30 mpg on the hwy. Its too bad engineer's aren't given free range to build a ideal power unit. Its about sales and marketing.
and they can do exactly the same on the rear wheels so you can see if you are about to fall into a rut ...and for 60 grand I would expect to get that for free don't you agree?
I'm surprised by the lack of excitement. Here is a wrangler that can get good fuel economy, not run out of breath at high altitudes and spin this 37"+ tires! $60k for everything you're getting is really not bad. Everyone is happy to buy a $40k jeep and invest $30k in axles, power train and suspension but here it is with a warranty and people are apprehensive?? I want this thing and $60k wouldn't stop me. Hell, I'll keep it for 2 years and sell it for $59k.
My favourite aspect of diesel engines is the engine braking you get due to the high compression, and the nature of the diesel stroke/cycle. Modern petrol engines can develop the power, and (for off-road purposes) can develop more than enough torque, but are still lacking on the downhill control you get from the high compression ratios of a diesel.
Funny how literally only 2 percent of people who spend 60K on their fancy new jeep will offroad it like this; yet they'll put another 10/15 into lift and wheels/tires. Jeep life logic.
@@joshphillips5335 but it's literally built to be a toy, and crawl on rocks. Not as a way to show off. Hell, half of the people buying these won't even know what a locking differential is!
Ford needs to release the Bronco already so Jeep can't keep gouging consumers. Maybe Toyota will catch on and bring the 70-series stateside and completely destroy the market.
Biggest problem for me with the $$$ of these Wranglers is that the Power Wagon exists. I know the PW is larger but not all off-road areas require the same tool. My problem is that you can buy a massive Ram 2500 with stout axles, disconnecting sway bar, front/rear lockers, just like Rubicon but you also get more. For around the same price you get 360 degree cameras, a winch, a massive V8, a 12 inch screen to watch what's in front of you, leather interior, payload (albiet low for a heavy duty but massive compared to a Wrangler), and towing. Oh, and I can use it for home projects. Really though my point is just concerns price. Obviously a Ram 2500 with all that stuff costs more to produce than a Wrangler, and yet the Wrangler sells for nearly the same price.
And then we see the price, no manual transmission and not available for the two door. Those three things make it a big nope for myself and several others I have talked to.
My 2012 VW Golf TDI is very quiet, quieter than the gasoline version, and it has no sound deadening blanket under the hood, my old MkV Rabbit 2.5l Five had a sound deadening blanket under the hood, and the engine was more audible, that wasn’t unpleasant though as 5 cylinder engines have a wonderful sound as well
Couple things to note. The diesel is only a $3000 dollar upgrade over an automatic V6. Not only do you get a diesel for that money but you also get Dana 44 wide track axles front and rear no matter the trim, plus an actual ZF8HP75 transmission rated at 650lb/ft of torque vs the 850RE 8 speed only rated for 350lb/ft. That's not all; every diesel has the 3.73 rear end no matter the trim and with the torque you don't have to regear with 35's or even 37's not to mention at least 20% better fuel mileage. In summary that extra 3 grand gives you a ton for the money especially if you don't want to foot the bill for a Rubicon trim.
@@houseofdiesel DEF is super cheap around here. Even by the jug, it is $5 for 2.5 gallons at Buc-ees. Walmart is higher at about $7 for 2.5 gallons. I'm not sure what Buc-ees is charging at the pump for DEF, I haven't been to one since they put in the "at the pump" DEF.
Jeep sells very few of these here in Europe lately as the engine is known to have a lot of problems. I would not take an Italian engine factory´s word too highly..
For all of you crying about price, you do realize that the option also includes upgrading from a dana 30 front and dana 35 rear to dana 44s front and rear? Not to mention that you get 3.73 gears instead of 3.54s. I swapped in a dana 44 front into my JK, and it was nearly $3,000 alone.
It shouldn't have taken Jeep so long to have a diesel in the US. Now I have to wait 4 or 5 years to find a used one because normal people can't afford the kinds of pricing they have on these new ones these days.
I dont like jeeps i cant even afford one, but i think that they have gone the right way with their designs, offers and option, staying faithfull to the offroad capability, look, etc..
Great review! As jealous as I am, the 3.6L has plenty of pep (much more than I was expecting) and performs just fine for my 19 rubicon 😀. Also you forgot to mention the different fuel costs. 3.6L takes regular, but the 2.0T takes premium I believe. I know it’s a small difference, but diesel ain’t cheap in California either
We don't care about the fuel costs. We want the range and torque. Everyone that can afford the diesel option will check that box. They are hoping for 10% and will get well over 30%.
Ross Peeler so you’re saying price is not part of the “perfect” equation. Well, that’s how it is for 90% of new diesel truck/sub buyers I guess since the benefits of a diesel are mostly subjective.
I own a trucking company and would never buy a diesel for a personal use. The emission systems in all new Diesel engines are completely unreliable. Reliable technology hasn’t been developed to comply with emissions laws yet.
@@brianblack546 "Reliable technology hasn’t been developed to comply with emissions laws yet." Quoted for truth. Although the emissions systems are a lot more reliable when you run the vehicle as it was intended for. We just got rid of our 2016 Silverado 3500 at a little over 350,000 miles because of a blown head gasket and the transmission was getting weak, it had some components replaced over its life related to the emissions system including one DPF (outlasted the CP4) but nowhere near the issues you hear about constantly online. If you buy a diesel truck for a daily driver you're going to have a lot more trouble with it than if you're putting your truck to work. We've got a '19 Silverado 3500 now that's about to roll over 40k miles and knock on wood, maybe the emissions system will be more dependable.
Enjoyed this video, love Jeeps, guess $60 is the new $40. A 2 Dr manual trans soft top v-6 is still the only one for me. It's a Jeep for pete's sake not a Rolls....LOL! Interesting to see local dealers still have 2018s on the lot. Black Friday specials are coming....
Well, speaking as an ex-British guy I don't think the new Defender is going to better this. Because RR have changed the formula, Jeep have added to what worked. The Defender will be a completely different animal and as I heard one reviewer say, it won't be bought by farmers anymore. It's interesting talking about strange times because Chevy have also done what fans have been asking for years, to make the Corvette mid-engined... Can't wait to try them all!
Thank you for a well made video. However, you're incorrect with some of the points you mention regarding the Diesel vs the V6 petrol. There seems to be a huge amount of misunderstanding and misinformation online by youtubers and journalists. When larger wheels than stock are fitted to the vehicle the 'moment' at the axle (a turning effect produced by a force acting at a distance on an object. the magnitude of a turning effect produced by a force acting at a distance, expressed as the product of the force and the distance from its line of action to a given point.) changes. Re-gearing the Diff ratios (ie the final drive ratio) will fix this. The final drive ratio (the diff ratio) is calculated by the engineers to ensure that the engine rpm and the wheel rpm (road speed) are optimal for acceleration and fuel economy. Larger diameter wheels than stock with no change to the final drive ratio (re-gearing of the diffs) will REDUCE the acceleration (torque at the wheels). Smaller diameter wheels than stock with no change to the final drive ratio (re-gearing of the diffs) will INCREASE the acceleration (torque at the wheels). Putting larger diameter wheels (eg 37s) on a diesel or a V6 will reduce the torque at the wheels in both vehicles. However, because Diesel engines have greater torque than Petrol engines this will be less noticeable, but will still happen there is no way around the physics. The solution = Bigger wheels = Change Diff ratios Change the diff ratio (crown and pinion gears) to get the engine rpm and road speed back to the stock numbers (There are plenty of online diff ratio calculators to works this out), whenever larger diameter wheels are fitted to any vehicle. A diff ratio re-gear will address this and a V6 will have great performance on 37s.
So, after spending the outrageous sum of $60K for this tarted up WWII jeep, I now need to spend MORE money on upgraded tires/wheels and a lift kit, to get it to really perform?!!? But wait, I can't just get new tire/wheels, I need to pay a mechanic to tear into my brand new diff(s) and change the crown and pinion gears? Swell! And I can't just lift it with cheap metal blocking kits; I've now thrown off my CV joint and suspension joint angles, so I need all kinds of kit to get back to the correct angles? Hilarious.
Changing gear in a diesel with the added torque and amount of clutches in newer trans isnt neccessary. I run 37"s all day long on all my SuperDuties with 3.31 gears and never had an issue. And get better fuel economy on the freeway.
Don’t listen to this house of diesel idiot. 4.11 gearing on 37s will be almost exactly the same ration and that’s where the magic of this diesel happens
Richard Marshall you’re lost. If you want bigger tires it requires a lift. A good one will fix the angles and about $1500 will get you rehearsed to optimal.
Yikes, just did some research for my fellow Canadians - the diesel option is around $9,200 CAD. That includes the upgrade for the EcoDiesel and the 8spd transmission, which is required for the diesel. Given that 87 octane gas sells for around $1.10/L where I live and diesel is usually 10 cents more, it's going to take a lot of miles to make back that $10,000. Add the long term reliability of FCA products and I'm not sure the math works out. You'll have to own this one for a LONG time before the upgrade starts paying dividends. BASED ON THE MATH I JUST DID ...you would need to own the Jeep EcoDiesel for approximately 13 years to make up the $10,000 you're spending on the upgrade. That's assuming you drive 20,000kms per year, gas at an avg of $1.10/L (which it is around me), and diesel at $1.20/L. You're only saving around $740 CAD per year in fuel cost going with the diesel. Obviously the years of ownership will vary where you live, based on your average gas vs. diesel prices, and your driving habits.
The automatic is the best choice for rock crawling. Because the torque is multiplied by the torque converter and also can be applied slowly and have more control to avoid slippage on the rock face compared to a mechanical clutch stickshift.
@@user-cj7dv2kc6d I've driven stick in half of my driving career, starting in the 1960's. Back then automatics were just "slush boxes" that wasted gas, robbed power, and added weight to the car. Today's automatics are a far cry from what was offered back then. In this application, automatics allow the driver to concentrate more on driving over rocks and bad terrain compared to stick shift. Plus it gives the driver more control over the terrain when climbing and descending over rock without concentrating on that third pedal.
Modern diesels are money pits when they age. That said the Jeep having the DEF fluid will reduce EGR valve usage and thus reduce intake carbon build-up, a good thing.
Should have just turned off the front locker to make the turns and then re-engaged afterwards. It’s all about configuring the settings as you go. You can’t expect to choose settings and then just drive the whole trail like that - you monitor and make adjustments as you go.
People that don't own one are usually the ones making those comments. They said similar things about the 2.0L Turbo but I absolutely love mine. Not one issue.
At the dealership I worked at as a service manager, the Eco diesel was horrible, most had timing chain failure with 10k miles. We had to stock engines which is crazy
No shock that Jeep does not have a 2 door manual or 2 door auto for that matter. I have my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn. Jeep died in '06. You can have these techno rolling computers. Could these have more bells and whistles for the mall crawling demographic? Give me a TJ any day!
If you go for the diesel hopefully it won't spin crank bearings like the 'old' 3.0L. With the new config and parts that were necessary maybe the engineers were able to sneak in reliability.
It's the adrenaline rush and the technical challenge. Can you do it without damaging your 60k Jeep? Of course, it's expensive if you mess up. Thus the adrenaline.
@@Wearyman That sounds like an expensive hobby :P Here in Europe I see a lot of brand new Jeeps at the mall. In the mountains not so much. Rock crawling practically null.
If you're running out of power due to bug tires, you need to regear before even thinking about power adders. In any case, you should regear your axles with bigger tires to keep any engine you have in the power band...
Well IF anyone is looking at the future... The EV World is slowing moving ahead. Toyota needs to save cash for EV tech. and plus its doing a new power plant for the Tundra a TT V6. If anyone was to look at compact diesel SUV sales they very small for the upfront investment needed.
The comment about the diesel clatter being too loud brings to mind the older dodge trucks. I took one of the early ones for a test ride and I couldn't hear the radio over the engine. Bought a 2011 Ram with the Cummings and you barely notice the noise. Of course, I am a lot older and may be getting deaf.
That is nice. So I have the 2.0L eTorque Turbo and it's great. I'm averaging 19-20mpg highway on 37's!!! When it was stock I could hit 24 with some effort in hypermiling, but 22 was pretty standard. So I can only imagine how well the eco-diesel will do. If you can at least manage 25mpg on 37's that would be amazing. Overall though, both motors beat out that "tried and true" mini-van v6 that averages 12mpg.
I was really looking forward to the eco diesel paired with a manual transmission in the Wrangler or Gladiator... bummer. I must represent a small slice of the market. Sad days for the future of rowing your own...
Another great real-world test by the TFL guys! No doubt the Jeep people are anticipating some stiff, and upcoming competition from the new Bronco, so they are broadening the product choice base. BTW, on the original sticker from a 1985 Toyota SR5 Xtracab truck that I bought new, I paid $399.00 extra for the "special (electric blue) metallic paint" option. My brother that currently lives in Boulder, Colorado, has a 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser with that same color extra cost paint, so Jeep is quite reasonable on their "upcharge" for, at least the paint option. Thanks again for all of the in-depth, practical, and useful information! Congrats to you , also for attracting more sponsors for TFL, offering innovating after market products.
$60k for a Jeep, OUCH! I would love one but I would also hesitate to pay for one when it’s in the same price range of a luxury light duty truck or a heavy duty diesel.
Sport cars were expensive, trucks were cheap, in my old school, alternative universe. A body on frame truck should be cheap, cheap, cheap.....it is old technology, for Pete's sake! Anything over $20K on a new truck, regardless of how tarted up it is, is crazy.
@@richardmarshall6751 its not old technology, the body on frame is old, but all of the sensors, the backup cameras, emissions shit and designing engines around emissions standards while at the same time trying to increase power to compete with the others, along with all of the screens and such on the interior, the leather, air bags everywhere. the body on frame isn't the only thing that dictates price. Oh also lets not forget inflation, a truck that that costs 15,000 in 1990 would now cost 30,000.
do my 4:88 rear end with a stick shift is still the better option offroad. On road I'll take my diesel one ton that get 24mpg easily and tows the jeep on a trailer
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Why are you locked in the front the whole time? You don't even need the rear locked most of the time.
And I just purchased the 2019 (3.6) Rubicon 🙂, I knew this (diesel) was coming but I didn't think it was arriving before the end of the year. I love my Jeep, I love my Jeep, I love my Jeep.....
@@2015_Rubicnn IIRC, "Alex on Autos" was at this event also...I recall him saying in HIS video there he was in 4-high and that still did all the climbs just fine -- never needed to change from 4-high.
-- BR
@@billredding2000 I hardly use front lockers, even on the Rubicon Trail...🤷🏼♂️
I love the diesel clatter and chatter. It makes you feel you are driving a machine that’s is alive inside. Diesels sounds amazing I think.
That one seems a bit noisy but I do agree. I have had two Diesel Volvo's so far, one S70 TDI ( Audi straight 5 with 145 hp) and a Volvo V70 D5 ( Volvo's own straight 5 with 165 hp.) Both engines sounds amazing and real cruisers with that power when you need it and I think the Diesel wrangler is possibly the coolest car around when it comes to an off roader.
Great video too boys! 👍
Ya I like the powerstroke and Cummings diesel
The clatter really is muted on any of these new commonrails, too. Yes, it's still audible, but overall very, very muted from what diesels used to be.
And many of these newer diesels when you're cruising down the highway, the RPMs are so low that you don't even hear the engine at highway speeds. Just wind noise.
@@dzelpwr ya the old ones are better
Hard to like the sound of a diesel - can't tell if it's running right or on the edge of imminent failure. Too stressful when you're out in the middle of nowhere and trying to determine if all is well or if a valve has fallen out of the head and is just rattling around in the cylinder.
The towing capacity on vehicles these days is hardly ever limited by engine strength. It's usually a function of wheel base and braking power that is cause for limiting the towing capacity.
And in the case of the Wrangler, the long travel, soft suspension.
Also frame, you cant tow shit w a unibody
@@davidstancu2963 VW Touareg which is a unibody is rated to tow 7700#!
Very true. The Jeep chasis are easily one of the strongest and most iconic chasis ever but the wheelbase and soft suspension really limit them. Case and point- my tj 😂
@@carlstoutamire9525 not safely, wheel base is too short
Everyone : we want a diesel Jeep
Jeep: here's one for 60K
Everyone :
Bernard F my thought exactly. I’d love a diesel Jeep, but I’m not paying $60k.
I just want one not like a puppy.. with puddles inside.
So why not buy a Jeep with a normal 3.6 put a turbo or superchrger in, and shit on that eco diesel for less money.
@@Jake-ci1ld Seems like that would cost more than the 4-6 grand engine charge depending on transmission ..
I’ll wait 2 years for the EPA to bust them, then get one secondary market. I learned my lesson with my 2015 Grand Cherokee Summit Ecodiesel. Still waiting on my check FCA!!!
WK diesel owner here, my 07 Mercedes 3.0 is the greatest power plant ever put in a Jeep. I get torque to spare, great power on the roads, and great mpg's If the new Wrangler diesel is even close to this then they hit a home run
Ive owned 3 jeeps in the past. I think it's amazing how long it took them to finally build a 4 door. But the fact that they finally built a diesel honestly is beyond belief. I imagine we don't really need A V8 but that's the only other thing Jeep owners have asked
They had a 304 V8 from 1976 to 1980.
@@jaybee2344 You are correct.
I could not live without a V8, would be a sad sad world
Correct thanks for being the brilliant man to point that out. Yes they built A 304 before I was born. So 40 plus years later and in a completely different platform called the Wrangler there has never been A V8. And people have been swapping them in for many years.
Right. And at least class matching towing capability, with the diesel especially.
I like this a lot. Jeep needed to put that front camera they have on the JT on these Wranglers as well, would make a marked difference for trail running and rock climbing. Good review.
Garth Hayward their is an option on the rubicon for it.
AppalachianGunSlinger didn’t see it as an option on my wife’s 2019 model
Vault 614 I have seen then on a JL before a Rubicon model. Anyways here is a link on the wrangler forum to do it yourself.
www.jlwranglerforums.com/adding-a-forward-facing-off-road-camera-to-your-jeep-jl-wrangler/
Lmao so you can see over the speed bump in the parking lot?
cpt awesome The funny here with your Trolling is the lack of reading comprehension. The poster mentioned for trail running etc.
I’d regear for bigger tires, that’s the most common solution
I had the 3.8l in my JK and regeared to 5.13 gears and it was the single greatest performance per price upgrade I could have made. Second was a tuner.
@@TheVikingSailor I have a 3.8 and wanted to regear. Going to 5.13, did you need to change anything other than the ring and pinion? I've heard at some point, you need a larger diff pumpkin
You lower top speed severely when doing that on a diesel. The transmission can easily handle 40" tires.
House of Diesel not if you match the gearing to the tires. 3.73 on the rubicon 33” tires translates nearly exactly for 4.11 on 37s
@@mattbrew11 With 440 lbs of torque and the amount of clutches in an 8 speed trans you don't need 4.10 with a diesel. Tuned these thing will be able to run 37"s with factory gears.
"Is it the same engine as in the Ram?"
"No, they moved stuff like the alternator because water."
That makes it basically the same engine, though. Just with accessories in different locations for waterproofing reasons. The engine itself is the same.
that bit sounded so ridiculous lol
LateBraking exactly the same thing
I know man, idk how these guys take themselves seriously.
th-cam.com/video/p_ICnirEB0g/w-d-xo.html check that link for some more info about the engine.
Alex Trainor they are very comfortable stretching the truth, for certain!
I wish you'd kill the damned music so we can hear that glorious diesel clatter.
Very disappointed there’s no diesel option for the 2 door. C’mon Jeep!!!
Wow. Now Im sad
Bro it's not real Jeep 😤 like Willy's
It doesn't have sole of real Willy's Jeep ,now only limited to 7 slated grills
@@pahalwanathiest If you want a Willy's Jeep Mahindra will sell you a copy of one called the Roxor. 2.5 L diesel, five speed, fully boxed frame, Dana 44 axles. Yes they are sold as off road but for about $1k they can be made road legal.
The diesel exhaust cleaning systems are pretty long normally. It may not fit in the 2 door.
It's a possibility in the future. They're not gonna throw everything they got all at once.
60k is too much I’ll have to wait 5 years when they drop down to 55k
Lol
This guy gets it!
That’s why a wrangler is the only car I believe in buying new. Desperately waiting for a diesel Gladiator rubicon
Yep. Jeep Wranglers hold their value very well lol.
If it gets to the UK, expect a $75k price tag
9:30 Some of us like the occasional audible diesel clatter :)
$60K for a Jeep is just too much.
Why it's an option. Everyone that can afford it will check the box.
40k is too much, but as long as people with a 620 FICO score and a crappy job can walk in and finance them out over 8 years they will still buy them. At some point that's going to end badly for all of us.
That's what happens when something becomes a fashion statment. Look at Apple for example.
Look up the Swedish prices for a Wrangler...
RadioactiveSaddam high?
For now, I'm sticking with my beloved Jeep TJ. I had it since 2004 and never really had a problem with it. My next Jeep will have to be a 2 door. It's amazing the amount and type of abuse the Jeep can handle.
"EPA estimated 30 MPG" @ 7:58. You're welcome.
Thanks !
THANK YOU THANK YOU !!
Ohkay - the sound of that diesel is amazing.
6:58
Thank you
$60 grand American ...that's like $1 mill Canadian lol ...at least $75000 canadian that's crazy
Big $
79 370 canadian.
Give it 5-8 years once there used and the dpf system needs replacing from freezing up all winter. Get them for cheaper and delete kits are plentiful.
No kidding that's ridiculous!!! I make good money and can't afford that!!
@@stromghouls even worse
It's a real shame Jeep cannot fix the reliability problems that plague the brand.
73,000 miles ago I bought a Ram Ecodiesel. Now, I forget what it cost, it's been that good! 29 mpg winter, 32- 34 mpg summer, plenty of power, too.
I have a 2.2l ecodiesel Jl wrangler, and i love it..
No man pedal though ::womp womp::
Hi, what are your consumption? Is the engine lively? I apologize for my poor English
I have that engine with a remap in my Alfa Romeo Giulia, great engine. This must be the most fuel efficient engine ever in a wrangler, not the 3.0 like Roman said.
Juan Bugatti you have to remember he is talking about the US market specifically
@@juanbugatti490 Mh not really, consider that 2.2 is credited with 11/12 km per liter, so I see no difference between these and 3.0
I love the fact its a noisy diesel, thats what I love about oldschool diesels is the noises they made. Can't wait to see what the aftermarket can do to these..
That bikini pearl blue is so freaking beautiful!
It's a shame Chrysler finally gives us a Rubicon you can actually keep fuel in but no manual
Fiat ...
Manuals are a dying breed D:
I drive my Jeep from Indy to Ouray and Moab each year. The diesel makes the most sense for me. That said, I can buy a lot of gasoline for that $6000 upcharge for the diesel and auto combo.
Joe Maxey or, you can buy a preloved one for that & add a diesel later.
Thx guys for every thing you make my brother Deon Josephs very happy he is a war veteran retired:)
I waited to get a new Jeep just for this right here hope I like it
I’d love to see an updated comparison of this and the Rebel, now that they have comparable engine options. For someone like me who doesn’t go rock crawling, the usability of the truck is appealing. Pure capability off road vs usability for daily life.
IMO small displacement diesels make more since in vehicles like the Jeep JL than they do in 150/1500 pickups.
Damn wish I would have waited for it, love my V6 JLU but with the 2" Mopar lift and 35" Trail Grapplers she is a thirsty beast.
My sentiments exactly but, what can we do? Lol, keep driving & enjoying the weather....
With that setup, you'd be lucky to get low to mid 20's mpg... you'd never recoup the cost
I am currently getting 16.8L per 100 klm
@@UglyJeepGuy I'm getting 19 mpg, 21 mpg if I press that dreaded ECO button lol
@@lavery0365 Eco button? Is that in the JL also? All I thought I had was the auto start stop engine button
Put this diesel engine to Gladiator and take my money
Aquaboy I’m desperately waiting myself. F that turd 3.6
It’s coming ... soon 😉
In the 70's and 80's...37 were small. Everyone I knew ran 38's to 40's with the occasional 44's.
Of course you do see alot more guys with lockers which is nice.
I'm going to wait for a 2-door diesel Rubicon.
60 grand with a semi welded chassis and an un proven Italian made diesel engine,,,,,your nuts👎
mm ltn it’s a proven engine. It’s in those cheap cars called Maserati’s
@@johnwallace6701 as if🤭 any better 😂🤣🤣. Like we use to say in the Army,,,its just a Shiny turd sarge,🤯🔫
Better off making your own off road rig instead of spending $60k on a mall crawler.
GGW now that is true. I got the first generation ram 1500 eco diesel and love it. Btw army is putting them in their vehicles after
Banks upgrades the engines!
Europeans know how to build diesels.
mm ltn I was in the army too. We’ll see. Lots of folks buying them. I think I’ll stick with the trucks. My eco diesel has been great
I'm happy to finally see a factory diesel option in the Wrangler, but that price tag is $12k less than what I spent on a loaded F250 Lariat FX4. If they could get that configuration even close to high 30's or 40k, it would be much more realistic. The problem is all the extra, commuter things they've added to Jeeps over the years to appeal to a wider market. I couldn't imagine getting a $60,000 SUV and then offroading it... especially when it's going to take another $3-5k in aftermarket parts to get it truly offroad worthy. I like it, but I'll stick to my 04 LJ and save up for an engine swap lol
I like the sound of the diesel, so that's a plus to me
Really really like this engine in the Wrangler. It'll be years before I can even think of buying one, but being a diesel guy for 15 years now, I can't help but like the torque delivery and just how much of it is available right in the rev range where you use the engine every day. Less downshifting required to pass on the highway, just squeeze just enough throttle to not trigger a downshift and you have ample gain of speed with no waiting and little noise.
This also applies to going up steep grades, the RPMs can stay much, much lower than a gas engine that has way less torque, but similar horsepower. Driving in the mountains with diesels is a joy. Just a much less frantic experience. It feels effortless.
The ultimate off road finally got the engine it deserves.
Well believe it or not a turbo 4 or 6 can be made with high torque at low rpms.
In fact my 2009 Volvo C70 with a turbo 5 cyl makes its max torque starting at 1800 rpm! Plus I get at least 30 mpg on the hwy.
Its too bad engineer's aren't given free range to build a ideal power unit. Its about sales and marketing.
I have turbo diesel Jeep for years....but it's an XJ. LOL
Renault?
@@comancheclub3449 2.5 VM
Same as mine!
Now I want a Jeep. I love that sound.
Two cameras on each front wheel, 10”,split screen= no spotters!
360°on top
Oh,BIG LOTTERY WIN,then $60,+++++.00, no problem.
@@roberthein2156 or two!!
and they can do exactly the same on the rear wheels so you can see if you are about to fall into a rut ...and for 60 grand I would expect to get that for free don't you agree?
I'm surprised by the lack of excitement. Here is a wrangler that can get good fuel economy, not run out of breath at high altitudes and spin this 37"+ tires! $60k for everything you're getting is really not bad. Everyone is happy to buy a $40k jeep and invest $30k in axles, power train and suspension but here it is with a warranty and people are apprehensive?? I want this thing and $60k wouldn't stop me. Hell, I'll keep it for 2 years and sell it for $59k.
This is what I need on my 3000 mile trip
My favourite aspect of diesel engines is the engine braking you get due to the high compression, and the nature of the diesel stroke/cycle. Modern petrol engines can develop the power, and (for off-road purposes) can develop more than enough torque, but are still lacking on the downhill control you get from the high compression ratios of a diesel.
Funny how literally only 2 percent of people who spend 60K on their fancy new jeep will offroad it like this; yet they'll put another 10/15 into lift and wheels/tires. Jeep life logic.
Alexander Greene a lot of people won’t use it as a toy after spending that much money, and really I can’t blame them for that
Alexander Greene funny how people worry about what others do with their money 💰
@@joshphillips5335 but it's literally built to be a toy, and crawl on rocks. Not as a way to show off. Hell, half of the people buying these won't even know what a locking differential is!
@@sonnynick1 who's worried?
Alexander Greene I’m not saying that I wouldn’t, I’m just saying I kinda get it.
I just love how open and honest tfl content is
Ford needs to release the Bronco already so Jeep can't keep gouging consumers. Maybe Toyota will catch on and bring the 70-series stateside and completely destroy the market.
Jeep is inflating prices so they can reduce them when the Bronco is released in order to maintain their market share.
Biggest problem for me with the $$$ of these Wranglers is that the Power Wagon exists. I know the PW is larger but not all off-road areas require the same tool. My problem is that you can buy a massive Ram 2500 with stout axles, disconnecting sway bar, front/rear lockers, just like Rubicon but you also get more. For around the same price you get 360 degree cameras, a winch, a massive V8, a 12 inch screen to watch what's in front of you, leather interior, payload (albiet low for a heavy duty but massive compared to a Wrangler), and towing. Oh, and I can use it for home projects. Really though my point is just concerns price. Obviously a Ram 2500 with all that stuff costs more to produce than a Wrangler, and yet the Wrangler sells for nearly the same price.
When they put the diesel in a 2 door I may buy one then. Don't want a 4 door.
Same. I have 0 interest in the 4 door.
I am with you, only in a two door diesel gladiator.
Even though I'm not a fan of all the new technology in the JLs, this may be the only reason I trade my JK in for one
Jeep lovers finally got what they wanted :)
And then we see the price, no manual transmission and not available for the two door.
Those three things make it a big nope for myself and several others I have talked to.
Now they going to see the price and will find excuses to not buy it ha ha
Not
My 2012 VW Golf TDI is very quiet, quieter than the gasoline version, and it has no sound deadening blanket under the hood, my old MkV Rabbit 2.5l Five had a sound deadening blanket under the hood, and the engine was more audible, that wasn’t unpleasant though as 5 cylinder engines have a wonderful sound as well
I hope this means the used Jeep market will be flooded with trade-ins for the Diesel.
I might be able to afford one!
David Taylor not a bad way to look at it.
Couple things to note. The diesel is only a $3000 dollar upgrade over an automatic V6. Not only do you get a diesel for that money but you also get Dana 44 wide track axles front and rear no matter the trim, plus an actual ZF8HP75 transmission rated at 650lb/ft of torque vs the 850RE 8 speed only rated for 350lb/ft. That's not all; every diesel has the 3.73 rear end no matter the trim and with the torque you don't have to regear with 35's or even 37's not to mention at least 20% better fuel mileage. In summary that extra 3 grand gives you a ton for the money especially if you don't want to foot the bill for a Rubicon trim.
I like the diesel sound 👌🤙😎
Can we get another road trip video from Andre, Nathan, and Roman. You guys complement each other and it’s always nice to get 3 opinions in one video
DEF fluid is like saying ATM machine lol. Haha, love the vid and of course i love this channel. Better than 90% of paid television.
diesel exhaust fluid fluid. They did this on the new 2019 Ram EcoDiesel video too.
@@tornadotj2059 Vehicle Identification Number number as well
$20 every 5k miles guy.
@@houseofdiesel DEF is super cheap around here. Even by the jug, it is $5 for 2.5 gallons at Buc-ees. Walmart is higher at about $7 for 2.5 gallons. I'm not sure what Buc-ees is charging at the pump for DEF, I haven't been to one since they put in the "at the pump" DEF.
@@tornadotj2059 All EcoDiesels use DEF fluid regardless of year
Jeep sells very few of these here in Europe lately as the engine is known to have a lot of problems. I would not take an Italian engine factory´s word too highly..
44 inches of approach angle?
Wat?
Ops, make that degrees
Yes. Recently I have picked up on many errors. Maybe they are overworked?
The Fast Lane Car made a mistake again 😂 it’s oops not ops
@@kuntrybruh296 Ops = Ordinary publishing standards
For all of you crying about price, you do realize that the option also includes upgrading from a dana 30 front and dana 35 rear to dana 44s front and rear? Not to mention that you get 3.73 gears instead of 3.54s.
I swapped in a dana 44 front into my JK, and it was nearly $3,000 alone.
That Jeep costs more than my first house at 60k !!! These companies are pricing themselves out of business.
They are hoping for 10% of sales and I bet it gets 40% of sales.
Jeep made a smart decision making the Ecediesel available in every model. You can get a 4 door sport with the diesel and not break the bank at all
Can’t wait for this beast to come out. I’ve been waiting a long time for the diesel Jeep! Excited!!
It shouldn't have taken Jeep so long to have a diesel in the US. Now I have to wait 4 or 5 years to find a used one because normal people can't afford the kinds of pricing they have on these new ones these days.
I live in central Canada. It's perfect.
I dont like jeeps i cant even afford one, but i think that they have gone the right way with their designs, offers and option, staying faithfull to the offroad capability, look, etc..
Great review! As jealous as I am, the 3.6L has plenty of pep (much more than I was expecting) and performs just fine for my 19 rubicon 😀. Also you forgot to mention the different fuel costs. 3.6L takes regular, but the 2.0T takes premium I believe. I know it’s a small difference, but diesel ain’t cheap in California either
We don't care about the fuel costs. We want the range and torque. Everyone that can afford the diesel option will check that box. They are hoping for 10% and will get well over 30%.
Buy a nice TJ Rubicon for 10k
Put a diesel for 10kish
There you go saved 40k
Did I mention its an actual jeep with 2 doors and a manual ?
- I dare say that we may be looking at the "perfect" Jeep. I'm definitely getting in line for this beast, price be damned. 👍
I rekon you will be in line behind me sir lol
Ross Peeler so you’re saying price is not part of the “perfect” equation. Well, that’s how it is for 90% of new diesel truck/sub buyers I guess since the benefits of a diesel are mostly subjective.
I own a trucking company and would never buy a diesel for a personal use. The emission systems in all new Diesel engines are completely unreliable. Reliable technology hasn’t been developed to comply with emissions laws yet.
@@brianblack546 Great point. Thanks, EPA!
@@brianblack546 "Reliable technology hasn’t been developed to comply with emissions laws yet." Quoted for truth. Although the emissions systems are a lot more reliable when you run the vehicle as it was intended for. We just got rid of our 2016 Silverado 3500 at a little over 350,000 miles because of a blown head gasket and the transmission was getting weak, it had some components replaced over its life related to the emissions system including one DPF (outlasted the CP4) but nowhere near the issues you hear about constantly online. If you buy a diesel truck for a daily driver you're going to have a lot more trouble with it than if you're putting your truck to work. We've got a '19 Silverado 3500 now that's about to roll over 40k miles and knock on wood, maybe the emissions system will be more dependable.
I have a sinking suspicion this thing will never lose value.
Enjoyed this video, love Jeeps, guess $60 is the new $40. A 2 Dr manual trans soft top v-6 is still the only one for me. It's a Jeep for pete's sake not a Rolls....LOL! Interesting to see local dealers still have 2018s on the lot. Black Friday specials are coming....
Well, speaking as an ex-British guy I don't think the new Defender is going to better this. Because RR have changed the formula, Jeep have added to what worked. The Defender will be a completely different animal and as I heard one reviewer say, it won't be bought by farmers anymore.
It's interesting talking about strange times because Chevy have also done what fans have been asking for years, to make the Corvette mid-engined... Can't wait to try them all!
Thank you for a well made video.
However, you're incorrect with some of the points you mention regarding the Diesel vs the V6 petrol.
There seems to be a huge amount of misunderstanding and misinformation online by youtubers and journalists.
When larger wheels than stock are fitted to the vehicle the 'moment' at the axle (a turning effect produced by a force acting at a distance on an object.
the magnitude of a turning effect produced by a force acting at a distance, expressed as the product of the force and the distance from its line of action to a given point.) changes.
Re-gearing the Diff ratios (ie the final drive ratio) will fix this. The final drive ratio (the diff ratio) is calculated by the engineers to ensure that the engine rpm and the wheel rpm (road speed) are optimal for acceleration and fuel economy.
Larger diameter wheels than stock with no change to the final drive ratio (re-gearing of the diffs) will REDUCE the acceleration (torque at the wheels).
Smaller diameter wheels than stock with no change to the final drive ratio (re-gearing of the diffs) will INCREASE the acceleration (torque at the wheels).
Putting larger diameter wheels (eg 37s) on a diesel or a V6 will reduce the torque at the wheels in both vehicles. However, because Diesel engines have greater torque than Petrol engines this will be less noticeable, but will still happen there is no way around the physics.
The solution = Bigger wheels = Change Diff ratios
Change the diff ratio (crown and pinion gears) to get the engine rpm and road speed back to the stock numbers (There are plenty of online diff ratio calculators to works this out), whenever larger diameter wheels are fitted to any vehicle. A diff ratio re-gear will address this and a V6 will have great performance on 37s.
So, after spending the outrageous sum of $60K for this tarted up WWII jeep, I now need to spend MORE money on upgraded tires/wheels and a lift kit, to get it to really perform?!!? But wait, I can't just get new tire/wheels, I need to pay a mechanic to tear into my brand new diff(s) and change the crown and pinion gears? Swell! And I can't just lift it with cheap metal blocking kits; I've now thrown off my CV joint and suspension joint angles, so I need all kinds of kit to get back to the correct angles? Hilarious.
Changing gear in a diesel with the added torque and amount of clutches in newer trans isnt neccessary. I run 37"s all day long on all my SuperDuties with 3.31 gears and never had an issue. And get better fuel economy on the freeway.
Don’t listen to this house of diesel idiot. 4.11 gearing on 37s will be almost exactly the same ration and that’s where the magic of this diesel happens
Richard Marshall you’re lost. If you want bigger tires it requires a lift. A good one will fix the angles and about $1500 will get you rehearsed to optimal.
@@mattbrew11 🤣🤣🤣 well said. This house of diesel is totally and idiot commenting the same comments in every comments. 🤣 🤣
Yikes, just did some research for my fellow Canadians - the diesel option is around $9,200 CAD. That includes the upgrade for the EcoDiesel and the 8spd transmission, which is required for the diesel.
Given that 87 octane gas sells for around $1.10/L where I live and diesel is usually 10 cents more, it's going to take a lot of miles to make back that $10,000. Add the long term reliability of FCA products and I'm not sure the math works out. You'll have to own this one for a LONG time before the upgrade starts paying dividends.
BASED ON THE MATH I JUST DID ...you would need to own the Jeep EcoDiesel for approximately 13 years to make up the $10,000 you're spending on the upgrade. That's assuming you drive 20,000kms per year, gas at an avg of $1.10/L (which it is around me), and diesel at $1.20/L. You're only saving around $740 CAD per year in fuel cost going with the diesel.
Obviously the years of ownership will vary where you live, based on your average gas vs. diesel prices, and your driving habits.
WE WANT MPG NUMBERS WITH 37" TIRES WITH MOPAR 2" LIFT PLEASE.
just minus like 5 MPGs from the EPA rating and you will have the answer.
i'm guessing around 22mpg hwy
The automatic is the best choice for rock crawling. Because the torque is multiplied by the torque converter and also can be applied slowly and have more control to avoid slippage on the rock face compared to a mechanical clutch stickshift.
There are advantages to both offroad. The auto is the best choice for you... maybe not for someone else.
@@user-cj7dv2kc6d I've driven stick in half of my driving career, starting in the 1960's. Back then automatics were just "slush boxes" that wasted gas, robbed power, and added weight to the car. Today's automatics are a far cry from what was offered back then. In this application, automatics allow the driver to concentrate more on driving over rocks and bad terrain compared to stick shift. Plus it gives the driver more control over the terrain when climbing and descending over rock without concentrating on that third pedal.
As always, amazing reviews!
Got mine 19mpg street 28hwy lots of power fast acceleration cant wait for a lift and tune!
Modern diesels are money pits when they age. That said the Jeep having the DEF fluid will reduce EGR valve usage and thus reduce intake carbon build-up, a good thing.
daniel jackson who keeps the egrs and def in a diesel 😂😂😂🤔🤔
@@mattrugg8462 Depends where you l suppose, very illegal to remove where I am.
Should have just turned off the front locker to make the turns and then re-engaged afterwards. It’s all about configuring the settings as you go. You can’t expect to choose settings and then just drive the whole trail like that - you monitor and make adjustments as you go.
Some have said a FCA diesel is a grenade waiting to blow but time will tell.
yeah 1st gen 3.0's were bad. hope they made this engine more durable
People that don't own one are usually the ones making those comments. They said similar things about the 2.0L Turbo but I absolutely love mine. Not one issue.
@@jnxius Plus your maintenance and repair cost is ALOT cheap then a diesel. Plus you can boost up that 2.0 liter of yours.
At the dealership I worked at as a service manager, the Eco diesel was horrible, most had timing chain failure with 10k miles. We had to stock engines which is crazy
@@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast same with 2011 and 2012 eco boost....Ford bought mine back under 100k had almost 30k in warranty work
No shock that Jeep does not have a 2 door manual or 2 door auto for that matter. I have my '05 TJ Rocky Mtn. Jeep died in '06. You can have these techno rolling computers. Could these have more bells and whistles for the mall crawling demographic? Give me a TJ any day!
The configurator on the Jeep site isn't showing the Eco-Diesel yet.
He did say the EPA hasn't approved it yet.
Nor will they
If you go for the diesel hopefully it won't spin crank bearings like the 'old' 3.0L. With the new config and parts that were necessary maybe the engineers were able to sneak in reliability.
I like that color! So unique and its the first time I saw a Jeep in that color (0:24)
It’s been available since the 2019 model it looks different in person looks better in videos personally
Finally, the Wrangler I want! And, um, can't afford.
I've never gotten the appeal of rock crawling.
I do some occasional off roading here in Europe. Here it's mud, hills, trees, forests.
It's the adrenaline rush and the technical challenge. Can you do it without damaging your 60k Jeep? Of course, it's expensive if you mess up. Thus the adrenaline.
@@Wearyman That sounds like an expensive hobby :P Here in Europe I see a lot of brand new Jeeps at the mall. In the mountains not so much. Rock crawling practically null.
@@vvk Oh, it's very much the same here. Because, as you said, it is a very expensive hobby. Especially when the vehicle is a ridiculously priced 60k.
If you're running out of power due to bug tires, you need to regear before even thinking about power adders. In any case, you should regear your axles with bigger tires to keep any engine you have in the power band...
DO YOU SEE THIS TOYOTA?!?!? FORD?!?!! - bring the diesels for the suvs
Toyota is hamstrung by EPA regs, not complaining, and the chicken tax.
Well IF anyone is looking at the future... The EV World is slowing moving ahead. Toyota needs to save cash for EV tech. and plus its doing a new power plant for the Tundra a TT V6.
If anyone was to look at compact diesel SUV sales they very small for the upfront investment needed.
@@comancheclub3449 You don't want a Toyota diesel. Their 2.8 is the work of the devil
@@68404
Knowing the youtube comment section im inclined to interpret your comment literally.
@@jaybee2344 Just sad. They'll be really large RC cars ....
The sound of that diesel kinda sounds like the 4.0 straight six. Love it.
60000$ US 79000$ Canadien is 3/4 ton price for a jeep no thank you
Bring the Suzuki Jimny over. That small little offroad vehicle is in a class of its own.
The comment about the diesel clatter being too loud brings to mind the older dodge trucks. I took one of the early ones for a test ride and I couldn't hear the radio over the engine. Bought a 2011 Ram with the Cummings and you barely notice the noise. Of course, I am a lot older and may be getting deaf.
So like, my pickup can tow 5 of these at once, was made by the same company, and cost $10,000 less.
🤤
Post a link to a $50k truck and 4 Jeep trailer
@@mattbrew11 I don't actually have such a trailer or quantity of Jeeps. Truck is rated for 30,000 towing.
Not a fan of Diesels , but in this suv it makes complete sense, LIKE IT.
All off road vechiles must be diesel. Its just common sense, they have a lot more torque which is very crucial for these types of cars.
@@supposedly6991 True, although that V8 petrol in the Nissan Patrol is pretty sweet
$60,000 for a Jeep?!? Man wealth inequality and wage stagnation is a real thing. Fewer and fewer people are going to be able to afford these.
DJ 80s exactly!!
That is nice. So I have the 2.0L eTorque Turbo and it's great. I'm averaging 19-20mpg highway on 37's!!! When it was stock I could hit 24 with some effort in hypermiling, but 22 was pretty standard. So I can only imagine how well the eco-diesel will do. If you can at least manage 25mpg on 37's that would be amazing. Overall though, both motors beat out that "tried and true" mini-van v6 that averages 12mpg.
I was really looking forward to the eco diesel paired with a manual transmission in the Wrangler or Gladiator... bummer. I must represent a small slice of the market. Sad days for the future of rowing your own...
SweetComaBlack manuals are obsolete in this new world autos are better in every way!
@@Chuckers84 Yes, but a manual transmission belongs in an enthusiast's car.
So having some guy come over and install a kit is great....what happened to the do it yourself guy ......takes the pride out the project
Supercharge Or turbo?! Before regearing? C’mon
Ya regear it first lol I thought the same thing. these guys almost know jeeps
I was sure he was going to say regear?
Another great real-world test by the TFL guys! No doubt the Jeep people are anticipating some stiff, and upcoming competition from the new Bronco, so they are broadening the product choice base. BTW, on the original sticker from a 1985 Toyota SR5 Xtracab truck that I bought new, I paid $399.00 extra for the "special (electric blue) metallic paint" option. My brother that currently lives in Boulder, Colorado, has a 1985 Toyota Land Cruiser with that same color extra cost paint, so Jeep is quite reasonable on their "upcharge" for, at least the paint option. Thanks again for all of the in-depth, practical, and useful information! Congrats to you , also for attracting more sponsors for TFL, offering innovating after market products.
$60k for a Jeep, OUCH! I would love one but I would also hesitate to pay for one when it’s in the same price range of a luxury light duty truck or a heavy duty diesel.
Sport cars were expensive, trucks were cheap, in my old school, alternative universe. A body on frame truck should be cheap, cheap, cheap.....it is old technology, for Pete's sake! Anything over $20K on a new truck, regardless of how tarted up it is, is crazy.
He's don't fit in between trees as easy.
@@richardmarshall6751 its not old technology, the body on frame is old, but all of the sensors, the backup cameras, emissions shit and designing engines around emissions standards while at the same time trying to increase power to compete with the others, along with all of the screens and such on the interior, the leather, air bags everywhere. the body on frame isn't the only thing that dictates price. Oh also lets not forget inflation, a truck that that costs 15,000 in 1990 would now cost 30,000.
do my 4:88 rear end with a stick shift is still the better option offroad. On road I'll take my diesel one ton that get 24mpg easily and tows the jeep on a trailer