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Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
Hands down the Diesel gladiator will be the best midsize truck out there and will blow away the Wrangler in towing. Pair that with some diesel mods and it will be one badass machine!
@@christopherwilloughby9353 same here. I've wanted a Gladiator since they first debuted, but I never wanted a sorry pentastar. I'm waiting on the diesel and I'll snatch it up quick.
Despite a diesel Gladiator being a total dream truck for me and my hobbies, I couldn’t get past the price vs capability. I decided instead to buy a new RAM 2500 Cummins for LESS than a loaded diesel Gladiator will cost. I can tow my 13,000 lb trailer with it like a pro, and for off roading a Carli suspension system will provide nearly Raptor levels of performance...for my family of 6 it’s the better choice.
exactly. I don't know how some of these vehicles these days are rated to tow the massive loads that they are. it shouldn't be about having the PULLING POWER to pull it, but more about having the STOPPING/HOLDING POWER to control it.
Most people assume just because they can physically pull something means it's safe, but it's actually why there's laws. It somewhat protects other motorists from idiots that think they know.. Things like GVWR and brakes are the top things to consider.
@@bloodzkull Doubt it. Our JLU 2.0 has the 8 speed. It shifts just as poorly as any other slushbox. Constant unnecessary downshifts, slow upshifts and no ability to plan for the road ahead. Sad, as the 2.0 would be tons of fun with a proper 6 speed manual transmission.
In 2005 my Dad bought a deck boat...a larger boat which required a new tow vehicle....he was deciding between an 05 Dakota or an 05 Ram. both could tow the boat but decided on the Ram....with a hemi....his reasoning....larger truck..engine and felt like he had more in reserve...plus the price and mpg differences between the two were minimal. A diesel Gladiator would be a better option for towing but if I were towing primarily...I'd probably get a full size pickup. By the way...I've been following your channel for a long time...and you are top notch with your production values...the detail and lengths you go to for a real world review...especially with towing, the Ike Gauntlet and reviews of snow tires etc. Living in MN, I appreciate how you add winter and snow as a component to owning a vehicle.
I tow a 3200lb travel trailer with my 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Ecodiesel on 37s with a weight distribution hitch, and blue tooth trailer brakes. My engine is tuned with the banks derringer and pedal monster. It pulls no problem with this hitch, Im averaging 15mpg with the ecodiesel motor. I do have the tow package on the jeep and with everything loaded im probable right at 3500lbs. ZERO COMPLAINTS... very stable- no sway, and the trailer brakes do there job. GREAT REVIEW guys, you should see my rig.
I used to tow 3500 pounds with my 2011 Ford Escape. This isn't a ton of weight. The weight dist. hitch, and trailer brakes are crazy overkill for this kind of weight.
T Wayland if you consider 6-8k “almost the same” as 13k. Which anyone who tows 13k with a light duty truck better be going around the block and not mountains. The Gladiator is a mid sized truck with. 7k rating, the Raptor is a full sized truck with an additional 1000 lbs tow rating...I think that’s a pretty solid tie in my book considering mid vs full.
Rusty Climber apparently you didn’t read my first point where I said EXACTLY that. Someone needs to learn to read and not jump down someone’s throat when they don’t understand the conversation that is happening
@@BrianLampright913 are you comparing crew cab raptor to a crew cab f150 4x4? Or are you comparing it to a light duty truck with the best configuration for towing?
Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
That reflective chrome panel on the nose of the trailer would mess with my mind! LOL "So, which one to choose for towing?" I choose... the Rebel Rouser! :D
When towing, a sway bar will cut down the wobbly handling .... And a weight distribution hitch, don't forget about that. Both will dramatically improve towing.
I tow an AR195 with a dry weight of 3300lbs with a 2018 JLU (3.6l) at freeway speeds with no problems. I have never felt uncomfortable running 75mph. Just bought the diesel wrangler and can’t wait to hit the water.
Can you update any experience with you diesel if you've aquired it? .. I making a move across to the east cost this summer and am considering towing my wifes CRV hybrid on a uhaul trailer.
@@bgenesis12 I bought a 2021 wrangler jlu with the 3 liter diesel. I have a different experience than with the 3.6 gas motor. The problem with the diesel is it can care less what is behind it. The chassis and general physics seem to still care lol it is sketchy!! The vehicle wants to go 85 but the car short wheel base says no!! That said I have bo worries pulling the boat or anything behind my wrangler I just have to watch the speed which I believe is reasonable to expect. I have a long trailer hitch that sticks out past the tire. If I where you I would remove the back tire and use a normal hitch that will bring the tongue weight down considerably shifting everything forward and making it a better ride… I think!?
In Australia diesel is the default truck engine. There are some good petrol but people as old as me appreciate a motor that’s going to do hundreds of thousands of kilometres
Ive never had an issue, my boat is 3200lb and my sleds are 2200lb...Always been impressed how well the 2dr JK tows, I did add the mopar big brake kit, but power-wise its decent with the 3.6/6spd and 4.10s...and still better on fuel than a Hemi Ram lol.
Kurt Muzio where do you tow? On regular flats my Jeep does just fine. Small hills also. But climbing the I-17 from Phoenix to flagstaff it’s a steep grade with 6,000 feet of elevation gain over 75 miles or so. That’s where my Jeep gets pissed off. Mines also a 5speed auto with the 3.6 pentastar
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 I live in CT, just rolling hills here, but i tow to VT/NH which is mountainous, but obviously not like the rockies...might see 3000ft at most.
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 On long grades like that how you drive and your expectations can make a difference. Many times on a long uphill section close to where I live, people come racing by me towing a load similar to mine, but then I see them on the shoulder with the hood up 5 miles further up the road. Perhaps the check engine light is trying to tell you something, what code is associated with the CEL
Fiveo waf P0300. I’m certainly not racing running 65 in a 75 zone. It’s spent a long time at Jeep for them to reflash it and claim it’s fixed. If I was running wide open up the grades I would understand the truck being pissed off. I’m a master tech for another make and I asked the foreman at the Jeep dealer what gives. He said they have seen it several times but FCA has their head in the sand. All people towing up the I-17.
I am wondering how well the 2.0T would do against the Diesel. Granted it would still lose, but i think it might be closer considering it also has a turbo.
It would probably perform pretty well, but I'd be concerned for longevity towing with a turbo gas engine, things can get awfully hot internally running a lot of boost for long periods towing against headwinds and long gradients.
@@juanticimo Agreed it would be interesting to see a direct comparison and more realistically for entering the freeway accelerating from say 20 to 65 would be more realistic as to how it would perform on the on ramp, which is also where the turbo engine would likely perform well, as they seem to spool up better when already moving than from a standstill.
I have a Cherokee trailhawk with the 3.2 v6. It’s rated to tow more than the 2.0 turbo by about 500 lbs even though it’s way lower on torque. From what I’ve heard the turbo overheats and has to work too hard to be able to tow the same amount as the less powerful v6. That’s the problem with these 2.0 turbos. Yeah they have a lot of power but every bit of it comes from boost.
@@JonBecker81 Thats anecdotal evidence, and thats why I am interested in seeing actual data. "you've heard". Diesels have been running turbos for 50 years, turbo tech is fine. thanks for the comment tho cheers!
One year later, Diesel Gladiator is here! I’m looking to up grade my JK! The Gladiator got stuck on some narrow trails up here in the Pac Northwest, and I live in Seattle, so I need to find parking🙄 I’m really interested in the Gladiator, but my needs lean More Wrangler!! If I didn’t live and work in the city, I’m leaning more Gladiator🤯
Heard there is a formal investigation into the welds on the frame of Jeep Wranglers. If there is a actual problem on the Jeeps could you do a video or have yours checked out? Just curious on the matter and you guys are a viable source that I trust. Thank you and keep up the good work!
I'm from South Africa and here we love diesel. Literally every single pickup available here only comes with a diesel engine, only a couple have petrol engines available but only in the base models.
Yea here we are in 2023, with the EcoDiesel available in the Gladiator, that I’m currently looking at, not to tow anymore but relaxed power and mileage. Not that Gladiator you used, because it’s a Rubicon, is not available with Max Towing Package, with 4:10’s is it?
As much as I want to have that gen 3 diesel,I am reminded by what my research has shown me.1) That it was originally designed for a Cadillac passenger car in Europe. That tells me that it was never designed to be a "Working engine". 2) I believe this engine can be made to last,if the buyer performs costly modifications to the engine making it more reliable. There is a rumor that a small displacement Cummins is going to be used in a midsize truck as well as that companies midsize SUV . Fingers crossed!
You need to do a bit more research. Variants of this engine have been in farm equipment for several years in the past with overly good results. The engine itself is not bad, its all of the emissions related equipment that are added onto the engine that causes the majority of the issues for the power plants life. The same goes for any of them that are currently produced. They all have EGR and SCR related issues, and the only way around that is some form of removal. The cummins v8 in the titan was riddled with issues as well, just the same. The goverment mandated stuff takes the life out of the engine for what should be a very long time. That being said, I am a huge fan of my ecodiesel ram. Has done well for me so far.
I do understand the shift in design. The cgi block, and various new parts and part locations should add to its longevity. Any V engine has piston slap, so I'm curious to see if that offset wrist pin helped with what vm thinks caused the cam gear to dislodge. I have seen this engine with nearly 509k on it. That was with All emissions removed from day one, and it was tuned proper by Mr. Banks. Do what banks says to do and I believe this new Gen 3 could be a long hauler. As far as the v8 cummins goes, that should have never been designed but, with emissions removed from them and tuned, they can be a beast.
@@n.elliott9122 Ahhh. Eliitot that fact that you speak of BANKS tells me you are quite informed. It's rather obvious that the Government is doing everything possible to sway the public away from adapting Diesel engines.
@@paulj9821 You areb100% correct on the Gov. and what they are up to. I visited Europe and the diesel engines are getting up to 80mpg,and the euro emissions are more strict than our own.
Is it normal in the USA to have the ball hitch extended so far back from the body, extending the distance from the back axle to the gitch pivot point markedly and needlessly? This must have a negative effect on the stability of the combination.
Huw Williams I think it’s because it’s a wright distributing hitch. From experience, you need the tongue to be a bit long because of the spare tire on the wrangler.
It's because they're using that adjustable hitch mount. Most people here in the USA don't tow anything...but if they do, they generally get a non-adjustable drop hitch that matches the vehicle's height (and is shorter than the adjustable setup). That said, what TFL uses is at most 6" longer than a non-adjustable setup.
@@NukePooch1 I reckon there's a good nine inches to a foot excess neck there. It could be needed is the spare wheel is hung low I suppose but looks ungainly and unnecessary to me compared to what I'm used to. They must know what they are doing and the towing weight is quite low, so that helps.
They only use that ungainly hitch for promotional purposes. The ball doesn't have to stick out beyond the tire...some of the trailer tongue can be under it. I have a normal stubby hitch on mine for a utility trailer and it works fine.
@@dchawk81 I then thought that perhaps it was for people who are very poor at reversing trailers. The long drawbar on the towing vehicle certainly does aid reversing. At the cost of stability going forwards on the road at any sensible speed
3:35 i mean the reason is obviously not the engine... those springs on that jeep are like spaghetti.. you cant put rock hard springs in an offroad vehicle..
and the wheelbase, brakes, swaybars, frame etc...the entire rear suspension geometry isnt the same as the JT...That said, with a proper trailer setup, wranglers tow surprisingly well. I pull my boat (3200lb) and sleds around with a 2dr 6spd Rubicon, no issues with power. Though i do have the mopar big brake kit, sway/stability is a non-issue, most people who ride with me are quite surprised how confident the 2dr JK is towing most of its rated capacity (3500lb)...of the 30k miles ive put on it, probably 15-20k are towing so far. Best part is the turning radius though, can whip a trailer around anywhere lol.
I towed a starcraft ar1 16bh for thousands of miles with my 2008 JKUR and then 2016 JKU. No check engine light ever, it just sucked, but it was stable and felt safe.
Gladiator wheelbase with only two doors diesel motor manual transmission with no overhang on the rear of the vehicle and call it a Scrambler that's my dream Jeep
I'd be interested in seeing the max tow on the gladiator vs these results. You get quite a bit more towing and payload with the sport and sport s max tow packages.
TFL please add a safety portion to your towing tests. I like knowing about acceleration and pulling the ike, but I care more about braking (stopping distance) and ability to control the trailer in an emergency situation. Would love to see a hard braking and swerve/ lane change test.
I agree, the gladiator needs a v8 option for sure. The diesel would be cool if it’s was a motor with a good track record. But I’m not excited for the 3.0 diesel that’s coming in the gladiator because that motor has a bad track record already in the ram. It’s the same motor even if they said they’ve changed some things... same motor.
I pull trailers all the time with my TJ. I have no problems except in very steep climbs. I appreciate the manual transmission tremendously when pulling a trailer and going down a steep hill. I would love a diesel Gladiator. But after looking at the price of the petrol powered one, I think I will keep my TJ. The dealership would not even priced one without power locks, power seats, power windows, with a basic radio, a manual transmission, no ridiculous engine auto stop and start design flaw, and no push button start. I love the 4.0 inline six, anyway. I just need a bit more space. But for £50,000, I can just buy more TJs.
Can you get a fifth wheel or a goose neck type hitch on the gladiator? I'm thinking the towing behavior would be even better. The eco diesel would be the bee's knees on the gladiator, well worth the 4k. I give you guys a hard time sometimes, but you're the best source for truck / off road info, keep up the good work.
Normally aspirated engines will always be at a disadvantage compared to turbocharged engines in Colorado. Reduces the fairness of the test to a degree. Near sea level the acceleration tests would be much closer to equal.
I have the unicorn of hummers, an 2010 hummer H3T alpha with the offroad package (lockers and low range T case) im curious about the diesel gladiator but i want to know how it tows and MPG doing so.
At a Jeep dealer yesterday and I asked about the diesel in the Gladiator. Alot of crickets and hem hawing around. So do you guys have any idea of a time frame of the diesel availability in the Gladiator?
Yes, tortion bar hitch to even the weight over the tow vehicle. The only problem I've had with those is driveway / gas station approaches, sometimes the rear axel will lift off the ground.
i used to tow a 1985 travel trailer that weighed 3500 lbs with a 1990 toyota that had a 2.4L straight 4. wasn't fast but i'd pass big rigs going up hills at 60mph.
Little disappointed FCA didn’t work on the 3.6 for the new models. The new transmission helps but it needs more guts. And once again that oil burner looks to be real deal.
Man you guys don't keep up to date with this industry. FCA has a brand new Pentastar replacement that will be introduced fir 2021 models. The 3.0-liter Global Medium Engine Turbocharged 6 (GME T-6) it's biturbo and higher trims will have an electrically spooled turbo.
20 seconds to 60 for the Pentastar with an empty trailer makes sense. It's only putting around 190-210 hp to the rear wheels. Just about every other manufacturers 3.5-3.6 V6 is putting 15-20% more power to the rear wheels.
It's the wheelbase, not the cooling, that limits the tow capacity of the JL and is why the 2-door tow rating is only 2,000LB vs 3,500 for the 4-door. The Gladiator's much longer wheelbase allows for a higher tow rating.
But I think 3500 is also very low... In Germany every VW Touareg (Wheelbase 2,9 m; Jeep 2d 2,5m; 4d > 3m) has a tow rating of ~7700lbs. Do you know why this is so low on the Wrangler?
nh_292 US towing and safety specs/requirements are different in the US. The 4-door Wrangler has had a 3,500LB max tow rating since it was released in the US for the 2007 model year. 13 years later, still the same 3,500LB even with engine, transmission, and suspension changes over the years. Same for the 2-door Wrangler, it’s been 2,000LB max tow for ages.
They talked about the payload difference, but not the difference in GVWR which would be great to know; Is it a bit higher in the gladiator? If the gladiator comes out in diesel form that may account for some additional difference between the two due to increased engine weight etc.
My boss is a huge jeep fan, he has a 2017 artic edition wrangler. Does the Gladiator or the Wrangler with diesel Stop in a safe distance? Its know that jeeps cant stop at all let alone with a trailer....
How would the diesel wrangler do up the Ike Gauntlet in your opinion? I pull a folding camper (2500lbs) on I70 and it is hard to find info on diesel towing for the wrangler. I have a JKU that does very poorly on the climb and am looking to upgrade to the JLU eco diesel.
You could put a 6.7L Cummins in the Wrangler, but no matter what you do you can not get around the fact that Gladiator has 90% more legal payload and 110% more legal towing capacity at maximum. So, this test is only partially useful.
That diesel was tge only engine option In the 300c Chrysler saloon car in Europe. It call multijet fiat iveco engine used in my van and cars also in the maserati, Grand Cherokee,
So the diesel pulls easier- but unless Jeep changes something on the Gladiator to increase payload it will be handicapped by the additional engine weight in the diesel version. Take the average Rubicon with 1200lb payload- reduce by approx 400lb for added weight of the diesel and you are at approx 800lb payload. That combined with the additional cooling requirements of the diesel are likely why Jeep has said all along the diesel will not be rated to tow as much as the gas. So it will likely tow less but tow better...
Which one is better able to be driven to the dealership for repairs? Which one will be easier to be put on a flat bed tow truck? Which one costs more than the other which is way more than they should because they are FIATS.....Fix It Again Tony.
Im a mechanic and can tell u most modern vehicles sound like they tick at idle with the hood open. Usually injectors due to how high of psi they spray at.
I almost got the gladi to tow my 6k loader camper and good thing I didnt my hemi 1500 i bought is alot more capable i wonder when the diesel is put in the gladiator if its tow rating will also go up
Moezer According to the original info FCA put out when they released the Gladiator the diesel variant will tow less than the gas due to cooling restrictions (intercooler). Also if you reduce the Gladiator Rubicon payload by the 400lb heavier diesel you will run out of payload before you get to the 7000lb trailer weight. May be ann odd situation where the diesel is rated to tow less but will tow better.
They are rather narrow and high and there's quite a bit of overhang behind the rear axle before you get to the hitch so yes stability will be an issue, but it does depend on the type of trailer, a flatbed or lower profile boat will be completely different compared to an enclosed trailer or travel trailer. With an enclosed trailer or travel trailer the wind resistance is a huge factor going forwards and with side winds the "tail will wag the dog".
@@fiveowaf454 do u have one??? And have u towed with one?? Just curious because im looking to buy one and most people on fb group said they tow really good for a midsize truck.
@@Michael_ryan91 I've not towed with one, but I don't imagine they would be significantly different from other mid sized trucks, so probably tow well in the sector and I'd imagine (assuming going auto) the 8 speed auto would be very beneficial as you have plenty of gears to stay in the powerband of the engine. I was thinking in comparison to buying a full size half ton truck, for about the same money, which provides a better platform than any midsize is going to be for towing, you cannot beat wheelbase for stability or IME towing at well below the vehicle tow rating. But obviously some don't have garages and driveways etc. suitable for a full size. If you want a Gladiator, which I can certainly understand, they are an appealing vehicle, I'm sure they are fine for moderate towing and doing so with the right equipment (perhaps a stabilizer hitch) and most importantly driving accordingly, I see people going down the freeway at 85mph pulling massive travel trailers/toy haulers and always wonder what will happen if a tire blows or they have to stop quickly. Loading a trailer properly, where possible, also makes a big difference, the right proportion of hitch weight, but weight kept over the axles and not to the extremes of the trailer all aids stability and the ride comfort you enjoy.
You guys insist on testing at 5000+ feet altitude. This gives a major advantage to the turbo-charged vehicle. Bring it down to sea level and I'm betting the gas engine beats the diesel in acceleration. Naturally aspirated engines' power degrades with altitude, turbo engines maintain their power better at altitude.
@@terrywaters6186 Hi, that is a big difference considering distances you cover. In Europe depending on the country price is same or circa 10% higher for a diesel. For smaller engine results of 70+MPG are possible hence popularity of diesels. The other cheaper option is LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) in converted petrol engines. I do not count electric as still very expensive to buy without subsidiary help from gov. Best regards Terry 👍
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Does the wrangler diesel suffer from the same amount of lag that Roman complained about on the new ram diesel?
The Fast Lane Car did you keep the sun rider top off the JL to put on the JT?
Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
This test is a waste of our time. We already know that a 2 and 4 door Wranglers cannot tow heavy loads.
Hands down the Diesel gladiator will be the best midsize truck out there and will blow away the Wrangler in towing. Pair that with some diesel mods and it will be one badass machine!
Bottom line, a good preview of what the diesel Gladiator will be like.
The only way I could get it
The diesel Gladiator will have a lot more torque- very welcome- but it’ll have a lower towing and payload rating, like the Wrangler.
@@aggiewoodie you can 100% tow the same amount and be perfectly fine
If I was in the market for a Gladiator there is no question I would wait for the diesel one.
Your Name ya the extra $5K wouldn’t be a factor
Craig Williams 5k divided by 72(months) = $69(per month). i think most intelligent people would wait. the resale alone, will also be waaaay higher.
That is exactly what I am doing.....
@@christopherwilloughby9353 same here. I've wanted a Gladiator since they first debuted, but I never wanted a sorry pentastar. I'm waiting on the diesel and I'll snatch it up quick.
Despite a diesel Gladiator being a total dream truck for me and my hobbies, I couldn’t get past the price vs capability. I decided instead to buy a new RAM 2500 Cummins for LESS than a loaded diesel Gladiator will cost. I can tow my 13,000 lb trailer with it like a pro, and for off roading a Carli suspension system will provide nearly Raptor levels of performance...for my family of 6 it’s the better choice.
Brakes are the most important thing when towing. It would be nice to see a 60 to zero brake test while towing.
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exactly. I don't know how some of these vehicles these days are rated to tow the massive loads that they are. it shouldn't be about having the PULLING POWER to pull it, but more about having the STOPPING/HOLDING POWER to control it.
trailer brake controller
@@jonathanalligood4202 not all trailers have brakes.
Most people assume just because they can physically pull something means it's safe, but it's actually why there's laws. It somewhat protects other motorists from idiots that think they know.. Things like GVWR and brakes are the top things to consider.
These things can tow more but the brakes hold them back, this is very evident in the 3/4 ton market
What I've noticed lately is that whoever is driving the diesel JL has a smile on their face!
scratchnbell only wish it had a Manual transmission option
@@brandonmick9191 Manual transmission saves fuel, they don't like that option
Think you'll find the 8 speed auto will be better on fuel than the manual
@@bloodzkull
Doubt it. Our JLU 2.0 has the 8 speed. It shifts just as poorly as any other slushbox. Constant unnecessary downshifts, slow upshifts and no ability to plan for the road ahead.
Sad, as the 2.0 would be tons of fun with a proper 6 speed manual transmission.
I do 20k miles of smiles. Wrangler JL 23'
In 2005 my Dad bought a deck boat...a larger boat which required a new tow vehicle....he was deciding between an 05 Dakota or an 05 Ram. both could tow the boat but decided on the Ram....with a hemi....his reasoning....larger truck..engine and felt like he had more in reserve...plus the price and mpg differences between the two were minimal. A diesel Gladiator would be a better option for towing but if I were towing primarily...I'd probably get a full size pickup.
By the way...I've been following your channel for a long time...and you are top notch with your production values...the detail and lengths you go to for a real world review...especially with towing, the Ike Gauntlet and reviews of snow tires etc. Living in MN, I appreciate how you add winter and snow as a component to owning a vehicle.
I tow a 3200lb travel trailer with my 2021 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon Ecodiesel on 37s with a weight distribution hitch, and blue tooth trailer brakes. My engine is tuned with the banks derringer and pedal monster. It pulls no problem with this hitch, Im averaging 15mpg with the ecodiesel motor. I do have the tow package on the jeep and with everything loaded im probable right at 3500lbs. ZERO COMPLAINTS... very stable- no sway, and the trailer brakes do there job. GREAT REVIEW guys, you should see my rig.
I used to tow 3500 pounds with my 2011 Ford Escape. This isn't a ton of weight. The weight dist. hitch, and trailer brakes are crazy overkill for this kind of weight.
So the Wrangler can tow the horse trailer as long as there are no horses in it? Handy.
Soft off-road suspension can’t handle payloads...Ford Raptor has the same problem as does all other off road oriented machines.
@@BrianLampright913 the raptor tows almost the same as a regular f150
T Wayland if you consider 6-8k “almost the same” as 13k. Which anyone who tows 13k with a light duty truck better be going around the block and not mountains. The Gladiator is a mid sized truck with. 7k rating, the Raptor is a full sized truck with an additional 1000 lbs tow rating...I think that’s a pretty solid tie in my book considering mid vs full.
Rusty Climber apparently you didn’t read my first point where I said EXACTLY that. Someone needs to learn to read and not jump down someone’s throat when they don’t understand the conversation that is happening
@@BrianLampright913 are you comparing crew cab raptor to a crew cab f150 4x4? Or are you comparing it to a light duty truck with the best configuration for towing?
Gladiator with the 3.0L diesel for the win.....
Can you guys do a comparison on Maintenance cost for these two. Would love to learn the difference in cost to properly care for gas vs diesel Wrangler/Gladiator. I'm thinking you might gain a little torque and mpg, but you have to pay more money to service the diesel engine over time, it may not be worth it for most folks.
I REALLY like that Gladiator. It looks so good.
I see a new format on B roll footage, love to see that
I love this video an abnormal amount. It's so peaceful and makes me calm
That reflective chrome panel on the nose of the trailer would mess with my mind! LOL
"So, which one to choose for towing?" I choose... the Rebel Rouser! :D
When towing, a sway bar will cut down the wobbly handling .... And a weight distribution hitch, don't forget about that. Both will dramatically improve towing.
Wouldn't it have been interesting driving both with the trailer for a bit and then comparing fuel consumption, or overall range when towing a trailer?
I tow an AR195 with a dry weight of 3300lbs with a 2018 JLU (3.6l) at freeway speeds with no problems. I have never felt uncomfortable running 75mph. Just bought the diesel wrangler and can’t wait to hit the water.
Can you update any experience with you diesel if you've aquired it? .. I making a move across to the east cost this summer and am considering towing my wifes CRV hybrid on a uhaul trailer.
@@bgenesis12 I bought a 2021 wrangler jlu with the 3 liter diesel. I have a different experience than with the 3.6 gas motor. The problem with the diesel is it can care less what is behind it. The chassis and general physics seem to still care lol it is sketchy!! The vehicle wants to go 85 but the car short wheel base says no!!
That said I have bo worries pulling the boat or anything behind my wrangler I just have to watch the speed which I believe is reasonable to expect.
I have a long trailer hitch that sticks out past the tire. If I where you I would remove the back tire and use a normal hitch that will bring the tongue weight down considerably shifting everything forward and making it a better ride… I think!?
In Australia diesel is the default truck engine. There are some good petrol but people as old as me appreciate a motor that’s going to do hundreds of thousands of kilometres
I’m glad that I’m not the only one who gets a CEL every time I pull a hard grade with my JK with my side by side in tow.
Ive never had an issue, my boat is 3200lb and my sleds are 2200lb...Always been impressed how well the 2dr JK tows, I did add the mopar big brake kit, but power-wise its decent with the 3.6/6spd and 4.10s...and still better on fuel than a Hemi Ram lol.
Kurt Muzio where do you tow? On regular flats my Jeep does just fine. Small hills also. But climbing the I-17 from Phoenix to flagstaff it’s a steep grade with 6,000 feet of elevation gain over 75 miles or so. That’s where my Jeep gets pissed off. Mines also a 5speed auto with the 3.6 pentastar
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 I live in CT, just rolling hills here, but i tow to VT/NH which is mountainous, but obviously not like the rockies...might see 3000ft at most.
@@sheputthelimeinthecoconut629 On long grades like that how you drive and your expectations can make a difference. Many times on a long uphill section close to where I live, people come racing by me towing a load similar to mine, but then I see them on the shoulder with the hood up 5 miles further up the road. Perhaps the check engine light is trying to tell you something, what code is associated with the CEL
Fiveo waf P0300. I’m certainly not racing running 65 in a 75 zone. It’s spent a long time at Jeep for them to reflash it and claim it’s fixed. If I was running wide open up the grades I would understand the truck being pissed off.
I’m a master tech for another make and I asked the foreman at the Jeep dealer what gives. He said they have seen it several times but FCA has their head in the sand. All people towing up the I-17.
I am wondering how well the 2.0T would do against the Diesel. Granted it would still lose, but i think it might be closer considering it also has a turbo.
It would probably perform pretty well, but I'd be concerned for longevity towing with a turbo gas engine, things can get awfully hot internally running a lot of boost for long periods towing against headwinds and long gradients.
@@fiveowaf454 I was more meaning in terms of a comparison
@@juanticimo Agreed it would be interesting to see a direct comparison and more realistically for entering the freeway accelerating from say 20 to 65 would be more realistic as to how it would perform on the on ramp, which is also where the turbo engine would likely perform well, as they seem to spool up better when already moving than from a standstill.
I have a Cherokee trailhawk with the 3.2 v6. It’s rated to tow more than the 2.0 turbo by about 500 lbs even though it’s way lower on torque. From what I’ve heard the turbo overheats and has to work too hard to be able to tow the same amount as the less powerful v6. That’s the problem with these 2.0 turbos. Yeah they have a lot of power but every bit of it comes from boost.
@@JonBecker81 Thats anecdotal evidence, and thats why I am interested in seeing actual data. "you've heard". Diesels have been running turbos for 50 years, turbo tech is fine. thanks for the comment tho cheers!
50-70mph run would have been great to see!
One year later, Diesel Gladiator is here! I’m looking to up grade my JK! The Gladiator got stuck on some narrow trails up here in the Pac Northwest, and I live in Seattle, so I need to find parking🙄 I’m really interested in the Gladiator, but my needs lean More Wrangler!! If I didn’t live and work in the city, I’m leaning more Gladiator🤯
Heard there is a formal investigation into the welds on the frame of Jeep Wranglers. If there is a actual problem on the Jeeps could you do a video or have yours checked out? Just curious on the matter and you guys are a viable source that I trust. Thank you and keep up the good work!
Jake Hollingsworth that was the original 2018’s. 19-20’s should be fine
@@109rfan1 '19's are in the investigation. If '19's are in then there is a good possibility that 20's are as well.
You guys do a great job.
I'm from South Africa and here we love diesel. Literally every single pickup available here only comes with a diesel engine, only a couple have petrol engines available but only in the base models.
Yea here we are in 2023, with the EcoDiesel available in the Gladiator, that I’m currently looking at, not to tow anymore but relaxed power and mileage. Not that Gladiator you used, because it’s a Rubicon, is not available with Max Towing Package, with 4:10’s is it?
As much as I want to have that gen 3 diesel,I am reminded by what my research has shown me.1) That it was originally designed for a Cadillac passenger car in Europe. That tells me that it was never designed to be a "Working engine". 2) I believe this engine can be made to last,if the buyer performs costly modifications to the engine making it more reliable. There is a rumor that a small displacement Cummins is going to be used in a midsize truck as well as that companies midsize SUV . Fingers crossed!
You understand this Diesel has had a major paradigm shift in design. It's vastly different from gen 2 ecodiesel.
You need to do a bit more research. Variants of this engine have been in farm equipment for several years in the past with overly good results. The engine itself is not bad, its all of the emissions related equipment that are added onto the engine that causes the majority of the issues for the power plants life. The same goes for any of them that are currently produced. They all have EGR and SCR related issues, and the only way around that is some form of removal. The cummins v8 in the titan was riddled with issues as well, just the same. The goverment mandated stuff takes the life out of the engine for what should be a very long time.
That being said, I am a huge fan of my ecodiesel ram. Has done well for me so far.
I do understand the shift in design. The cgi block, and various new parts and part locations should add to its longevity. Any V engine has piston slap, so I'm curious to see if that offset wrist pin helped with what vm thinks caused the cam gear to dislodge. I have seen this engine with nearly 509k on it. That was with All emissions removed from day one, and it was tuned proper by Mr. Banks. Do what banks says to do and I believe this new Gen 3 could be a long hauler. As far as the v8 cummins goes, that should have never been designed but, with emissions removed from them and tuned, they can be a beast.
@@n.elliott9122 Ahhh. Eliitot that fact that you speak of BANKS tells me you are quite informed. It's rather obvious that the Government is doing everything possible to sway the public away from adapting Diesel engines.
@@paulj9821 You areb100% correct on the Gov. and what they are up to. I visited Europe and the diesel engines are getting up to 80mpg,and the euro emissions are more strict than our own.
Love to see the #’s on Diesel fully tuned with Methanol injection, intake, and exhaust plus tuned of course.
Great review and thanks Andre & Tommy for your review of these 2 Jeeps. Best option would be a diesel Gladiator.
Is it normal in the USA to have the ball hitch extended so far back from the body, extending the distance from the back axle to the gitch pivot point markedly and needlessly? This must have a negative effect on the stability of the combination.
Huw Williams I think it’s because it’s a wright distributing hitch. From experience, you need the tongue to be a bit long because of the spare tire on the wrangler.
It's because they're using that adjustable hitch mount. Most people here in the USA don't tow anything...but if they do, they generally get a non-adjustable drop hitch that matches the vehicle's height (and is shorter than the adjustable setup). That said, what TFL uses is at most 6" longer than a non-adjustable setup.
@@NukePooch1
I reckon there's a good nine inches to a foot excess neck there. It could be needed is the spare wheel is hung low I suppose but looks ungainly and unnecessary to me compared to what I'm used to. They must know what they are doing and the towing weight is quite low, so that helps.
They only use that ungainly hitch for promotional purposes.
The ball doesn't have to stick out beyond the tire...some of the trailer tongue can be under it.
I have a normal stubby hitch on mine for a utility trailer and it works fine.
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I then thought that perhaps it was for people who are very poor at reversing trailers. The long drawbar on the towing vehicle certainly does aid reversing. At the cost of stability going forwards on the road at any sensible speed
3:35 i mean the reason is obviously not the engine... those springs on that jeep are like spaghetti.. you cant put rock hard springs in an offroad vehicle..
and the wheelbase, brakes, swaybars, frame etc...the entire rear suspension geometry isnt the same as the JT...That said, with a proper trailer setup, wranglers tow surprisingly well. I pull my boat (3200lb) and sleds around with a 2dr 6spd Rubicon, no issues with power. Though i do have the mopar big brake kit, sway/stability is a non-issue, most people who ride with me are quite surprised how confident the 2dr JK is towing most of its rated capacity (3500lb)...of the 30k miles ive put on it, probably 15-20k are towing so far. Best part is the turning radius though, can whip a trailer around anywhere lol.
Just saw the Gladiator diesel test vehicle in Fort Meyers Florida.
love these comparisons.... keep up the good work
Yes. Needs a diesel gladiator 3l. We hope we get that down under...Steve 🇦🇺
If you had used a proper weight distributing hitch with sway control both would have been rock steady.
Should test again after a Def delete kit
You should do a Comanche vs gladiator towing comparison next!?
I towed a starcraft ar1 16bh for thousands of miles with my 2008 JKUR and then 2016 JKU. No check engine light ever, it just sucked, but it was stable and felt safe.
I can’t wait for diesel gladiator reviews
would be cool if you guys did some testing with manual transmission gladiator
Gladiator wheelbase with only two doors diesel motor manual transmission with no overhang on the rear of the vehicle and call it a Scrambler that's my dream Jeep
I'd be interested in seeing the max tow on the gladiator vs these results. You get quite a bit more towing and payload with the sport and sport s max tow packages.
Love Andre’s attitude
TFL please add a safety portion to your towing tests. I like knowing about acceleration and pulling the ike, but I care more about braking (stopping distance) and ability to control the trailer in an emergency situation. Would love to see a hard braking and swerve/ lane change test.
We need a v8 5.7 Hemi as a option on both of them it will fit and it will out sell that pintostar v6 Americans love v8 so please make it happened
No
Never going to happen.
I agree, the gladiator needs a v8 option for sure. The diesel would be cool if it’s was a motor with a good track record. But I’m not excited for the 3.0 diesel that’s coming in the gladiator because that motor has a bad track record already in the ram. It’s the same motor even if they said they’ve changed some things... same motor.
@@00ninja00 3.0 is good motor but price is not.
Never gunna happen....CAFE ratings would drop and would need to be recertified.
I bought a Gladiator because I want to do Jeep stuff, but need to do some truck stuff too.
Why are you not using a weight distribution hitch with sway bar setup?
My dad has a wrangler that looks identical to that!
I pull trailers all the time with my TJ. I have no problems except in very steep climbs. I appreciate the manual transmission tremendously when pulling a trailer and going down a steep hill. I would love a diesel Gladiator. But after looking at the price of the petrol powered one, I think I will keep my TJ. The dealership would not even priced one without power locks, power seats, power windows, with a basic radio, a manual transmission, no ridiculous engine auto stop and start design flaw, and no push button start. I love the 4.0 inline six, anyway. I just need a bit more space. But for £50,000, I can just buy more TJs.
Can you get a fifth wheel or a goose neck type hitch on the gladiator? I'm thinking the towing behavior would be even better. The eco diesel would be the bee's knees on the gladiator, well worth the 4k.
I give you guys a hard time sometimes, but you're the best source for truck / off road info, keep up the good work.
"what's better at towing"
Means which one will go farther and last longer towing trailer.
Not
"Which can go faster"
Normally aspirated engines will always be at a disadvantage compared to turbocharged engines in Colorado. Reduces the fairness of the test to a degree. Near sea level the acceleration tests would be much closer to equal.
What tows better a gasoline chevy tahoe or a disel F250
Typically its nice to compare different cars with similar engines either gasoline or diesel.
I have the unicorn of hummers, an 2010 hummer H3T alpha with the offroad package (lockers and low range T case) im curious about the diesel gladiator but i want to know how it tows and MPG doing so.
Appreciate you guys, can’t get this kind of knowledge anywhere else!!!👍
At a Jeep dealer yesterday and I asked about the diesel in the Gladiator. Alot of crickets and hem hawing around. So do you guys have any idea of a time frame of the diesel availability in the Gladiator?
They want you to buy what's on the lot today.
I'd imagine for 2021.
I would like TFL truck to evaluate weight distribution hitches.
Yes, tortion bar hitch to even the weight over the tow vehicle. The only problem I've had with those is driveway / gas station approaches, sometimes the rear axel will lift off the ground.
Where is the Canyon AT4 release review?
Thought they would do the Eisenhower Tunnel climb.
i used to tow a 1985 travel trailer that weighed 3500 lbs with a 1990 toyota that had a 2.4L straight 4. wasn't fast but i'd pass big rigs going up hills at 60mph.
Little disappointed FCA didn’t work on the 3.6 for the new models. The new transmission helps but it needs more guts. And once again that oil burner looks to be real deal.
Man you guys don't keep up to date with this industry. FCA has a brand new Pentastar replacement that will be introduced fir 2021 models. The 3.0-liter Global Medium Engine Turbocharged 6 (GME T-6) it's biturbo and higher trims will have an electrically spooled turbo.
Paul J great news but for now this is all I see. Until it comes this is the opinion I’ll have.
@@9663mu Patience amigo. The engine is right around the corner. You will see it in 2021 models
20 seconds to 60 for the Pentastar with an empty trailer makes sense. It's only putting around 190-210 hp to the rear wheels. Just about every other manufacturers 3.5-3.6 V6 is putting 15-20% more power to the rear wheels.
That's at a mile high too. The 3.6 is NA.
so what do you do for two mirrors on a Gladiator???
When are you guys going to do the Gladiator Eco Diesel Ike gauntlet test?
THESE GUYS ARE THE BEST!!!!
So am I wrong I have talked to two dealers looking into the gladiator. They told me it is not possible to get the Rubicon in the max tow package.
That's true.
I saw a Gladiator with a Hellcat engine. Would you pull a trailer with that or are all those ponies just made for burning rubber and not for work?
Now I really want to see ram 1500 5.7gas vs 3L diesel
That pentastar 3.6 is a good minivan motor.
It's the wheelbase, not the cooling, that limits the tow capacity of the JL and is why the 2-door tow rating is only 2,000LB vs 3,500 for the 4-door. The Gladiator's much longer wheelbase allows for a higher tow rating.
But I think 3500 is also very low... In Germany every VW Touareg (Wheelbase 2,9 m; Jeep 2d 2,5m; 4d > 3m) has a tow rating of ~7700lbs. Do you know why this is so low on the Wrangler?
nh_292 US towing and safety specs/requirements are different in the US. The 4-door Wrangler has had a 3,500LB max tow rating since it was released in the US for the 2007 model year. 13 years later, still the same 3,500LB even with engine, transmission, and suspension changes over the years. Same for the 2-door Wrangler, it’s been 2,000LB max tow for ages.
@@dieseldrax Ah, okay!
Thank you!
What a great idea for a test. Thanks for the video.
They talked about the payload difference, but not the difference in GVWR which would be great to know; Is it a bit higher in the gladiator? If the gladiator comes out in diesel form that may account for some additional difference between the two due to increased engine weight etc.
That Minimum Tow Rating Is For The Jeep Wrangler,But The EcoDiesel Wins!
My boss is a huge jeep fan, he has a 2017 artic edition wrangler. Does the Gladiator or the Wrangler with diesel Stop in a safe distance? Its know that jeeps cant stop at all let alone with a trailer....
How would the diesel wrangler do up the Ike Gauntlet in your opinion? I pull a folding camper (2500lbs) on I70 and it is hard to find info on diesel towing for the wrangler. I have a JKU that does very poorly on the climb and am looking to upgrade to the JLU eco diesel.
Diesel for the win! More torque at low rpm
When the manual Gladiator diesel comes out, I'll buy one.
CarLuvrSD it never will
I’ll buy a v8 Jeep if they ever make 1
instantly I have two questions 1 how would an old-school Jeep Gladiator pair up with the same weight 2 how would the Pioneer do also
I'm wondering if the Hensley Cub or Arrow hitch works as advertised and would it help the Wrangler stability when towing near the max.
$60,000 trucks and incandescent lighting.. wow.
hi guy ! keep up doing the good job!!!
You could put a 6.7L Cummins in the Wrangler, but no matter what you do you can not get around the fact that Gladiator has 90% more legal payload and 110% more legal towing capacity at maximum. So, this test is only partially useful.
That diesel was tge only engine option In the 300c Chrysler saloon car in Europe. It call multijet fiat iveco engine used in my van and cars also in the maserati,
Grand Cherokee,
You can always regear the Gladiator if you are towing all the time and it will do as well as that diesel did.
How is the Gladiator rated to tow 7000lbs??? Isn’t it standard 4500lbs with auto transmission?
I can't wait to get diesel!!!!
Need to make it clear. The gladiator rubicon is only rated to 5000. Only the sport with 4:11 gears is rated to 7400
So the diesel pulls easier- but unless Jeep changes something on the Gladiator to increase payload it will be handicapped by the additional engine weight in the diesel version. Take the average Rubicon with 1200lb payload- reduce by approx 400lb for added weight of the diesel and you are at approx 800lb payload. That combined with the additional cooling requirements of the diesel are likely why Jeep has said all along the diesel will not be rated to tow as much as the gas. So it will likely tow less but tow better...
Which one is better able to be driven to the dealership for repairs? Which one will be easier to be put on a flat bed tow truck? Which one costs more than the other which is way more than they should because they are FIATS.....Fix It Again Tony.
The re weight might have mess the numbers, weigh those trucks separately and don't cheap out on the scale
Do you find the reflection from the polished nose of the trailer distracting (espc wondering at night)?
Gotta love that 3.6 tick on a brand new gladiator!
Im a mechanic and can tell u most modern vehicles sound like they tick at idle with the hood open. Usually injectors due to how high of psi they spray at.
@@Michael_ryan91 my 2017 Rubicon did that from new.
@@cleveland53015 yup its normal for alot of new cars.
Yea, the 5.3 in my H3T ticks also.
@@Michael_ryan91 Pentastar is not a Direct injection engine. So no they should not tick. Well documented that the Pentastar has valve train issues.
Maintenance? Curious, how much does an oil change cost for the Diesel vs Gas?
Was expecting an actual towing comparison like the ones when they compare fuel economy while towing. Not a 0-60 race
Ryan Dragone just my expectations for the video bud. Don’t want either one
I love the Jeeps, esp the new Gladiator but I wonder how that Turbo would do in this same test.
I almost got the gladi to tow my 6k loader camper and good thing I didnt my hemi 1500 i bought is alot more capable i wonder when the diesel is put in the gladiator if its tow rating will also go up
Moezer According to the original info FCA put out when they released the Gladiator the diesel variant will tow less than the gas due to cooling restrictions (intercooler). Also if you reduce the Gladiator Rubicon payload by the 400lb heavier diesel you will run out of payload before you get to the 7000lb trailer weight. May be ann odd situation where the diesel is rated to tow less but will tow better.
@@adamharriger5193 if cooling is the only issue il sure they can run bigger coolers lool
Moezer lol wish it was that simple. Only so much room and clean air in the front of these things
However I would question the stability of the Gladiator if you were similarly towing at max weight!
They did a max tow video. It was with a runicon tho not a sport with max tow package, but gives u an idea. Think they said it handled really well.
They are rather narrow and high and there's quite a bit of overhang behind the rear axle before you get to the hitch so yes stability will be an issue, but it does depend on the type of trailer, a flatbed or lower profile boat will be completely different compared to an enclosed trailer or travel trailer. With an enclosed trailer or travel trailer the wind resistance is a huge factor going forwards and with side winds the "tail will wag the dog".
@@fiveowaf454 do u have one??? And have u towed with one?? Just curious because im looking to buy one and most people on fb group said they tow really good for a midsize truck.
@@Michael_ryan91 I've not towed with one, but I don't imagine they would be significantly different from other mid sized trucks, so probably tow well in the sector and I'd imagine (assuming going auto) the 8 speed auto would be very beneficial as you have plenty of gears to stay in the powerband of the engine. I was thinking in comparison to buying a full size half ton truck, for about the same money, which provides a better platform than any midsize is going to be for towing, you cannot beat wheelbase for stability or IME towing at well below the vehicle tow rating. But obviously some don't have garages and driveways etc. suitable for a full size. If you want a Gladiator, which I can certainly understand, they are an appealing vehicle, I'm sure they are fine for moderate towing and doing so with the right equipment (perhaps a stabilizer hitch) and most importantly driving accordingly, I see people going down the freeway at 85mph pulling massive travel trailers/toy haulers and always wonder what will happen if a tire blows or they have to stop quickly. Loading a trailer properly, where possible, also makes a big difference, the right proportion of hitch weight, but weight kept over the axles and not to the extremes of the trailer all aids stability and the ride comfort you enjoy.
I cant believe the wrangler is that heavy. Holy cow
Dummy Thicc
You guys insist on testing at 5000+ feet altitude. This gives a major advantage to the turbo-charged vehicle. Bring it down to sea level and I'm betting the gas engine beats the diesel in acceleration. Naturally aspirated engines' power degrades with altitude, turbo engines maintain their power better at altitude.
Guys, what is the price of diesel per liter in US?? Is it same price as petrol per liter?? Thanks in advance.
Diesel sells for 30 to 50% more per gallon that 87 octane gasoline depending on what state.
@@terrywaters6186 Hi, that is a big difference considering distances you cover. In Europe depending on the country price is same or circa 10% higher for a diesel. For smaller engine results of 70+MPG are possible hence popularity of diesels. The other cheaper option is LPG (Liquid Petroleum Gas) in converted petrol engines. I do not count electric as still very expensive to buy without subsidiary help from gov. Best regards Terry 👍