@@herecometherats4634 it can't take some of the hills This car was one of the prize cars you could get on GT4 and it was interesting to see how much it struggled with almost any kind of slope
Amazing if it wasn't for Bertha Benz the machine would still be in a shed. She was the brains behind her road test ,Karl was a great engineer but not a business man.
In deed while I belive what the wright brothers did with the first airplane and inventing controlled flight was more clean then the motor wagan was... What Benz did was just as great and influnces more people everyday.
I'm so happy to see you reviewing one of my mods. It's an honor and it's entertaining as always... so much poetic vibes. I loved it. Thank you so much :)
As soon as I had seen this absolutely fantastic piece of art had been released, I waited with anticipation that Jake would review it in the only way it should be. His style perfectly matches the presentation of this truly historic vehicle. Well done by both yourself and Jake. What a pair!
Man your channel is such a breath of fresh air. I started enjoying Simracing again thanks to you and your passion for vintage racing. Don't get me wrong, I love vintage cars more than modern ones, but I never really put the time to do virtual racing until I started watching your channel.
It's the same for me here. The passion you get from the content on this channel is unmatched and you cant wait to drive some laps in old cars on old tracks or in old sims.
Fun Fact, it was Karl Benz’s wife that drew attention to the horseless carriage. When it was finished it was at first being used as a toy to show off, then his wife and one of his sons started visiting family and friends with it, when it broke down she would fix it and carry on. On some trips it took all day with only an hour visit , it was she that started the the ball rolling and encouraged Karl to start showing his invention off.
One of the best decisions I ever made was to read Charles Jarrott's book "Ten Years of Motors and Motor Racing." It covers the early years of motor racing from around 1896 until his retirment in 1906. The guy personally experienced basically every innovation, from motor tricycles, to proper 4 wheeled cars, the development of steering wheels, air filled tires, ect. It's also full of old timey words like "mechanician" and "forthwith".
Love the video and the sense of perspective. But I especially love the "when I hear vintage I think of this:" segue and the 1971 Le Mans shot. Goosebumpy. When I saw the effort being put into this car on RD I thought it didn't really have a place in a 'racing game', but thanks for giving me the sense of perspective and how much additional width this gives to AC and 'historic' driving in general. The controls you'd made for it show just how narrow-minded I'm thinking, in terms of "but a wheel"! Great idea. Also, fingers crossed you're enjoying Thrashy's newly released Lake Garnett GP.
Totally glosses over the drivers Aero Tache - That Bernoulli sculpted beast, provided oodles of negative lift to press those skinny tyres into the track surface to prevent rampant wheel spinning at the rear and improve the front tyre's steering inputs which could easily be swamped into a strudel of understeer at the Wagons impressive top end speed. - for the algo
Unfortunately, racing with the Benz Motorwagen is online-only as the car is too slow for the AI to drive. (The game Auto-DNF's any AI car going below a certain speed threshold after a given amount of time)
The first motor "races" were in the mid 1890's, I beleive. Though they were more like battles of mechanical attrition, it was more IF you got to the end, than how fast you did it!
Great job with the custom controller. Really appreciate the work and dedication put into this. I love hotlapping with very slow cars. I know a big part of racing is speed. But another big part is knowing you and your machine's limitations, and finding ways to work around them.
And a further 25 years after that they'd merge with rival manufacturer Mercedes. Then another 30 years on a massive incident at Le Mans, France almost caused a worldwide ban on racing outright But another 55 years after that tragedy and the Benz name is part of the single most dominant racing team in recent history.
Only half-way trough, but I agree with you on that that simming can be enlightening. Combat Flightsimming has been that way for me for more than a few years, my biggest "AHA!"-Moment was when I first flew the Mig-21 for DCS, which is a fully detailed simulation of a Mig-21 bis LASUR/SAU (Read the final variant with either the semi-automatic interception system or a semi-automatic landing system), and I got face to face with the Cold War Legend that was supposed to be that awesome Dogfighter. And the first impression was how bad the cockpit visibility was......even on standard without the additional panels for the Fighter Bomber version or the nuclear strike version. It was quite shocking how bad the visibility was, which would be extremely detrimental in a dogfight, and put certain claims of the Israeli into perspetive. Additionally it's handling and turn capability were not quite as imagined, although that and the visibility should be taken with a slight grain of salt, as this is the Final production model, and not the early variants that fougth in Vietnam and in the Six-Day and Yom-Kippur War. Then it got to the Radar, and my god is it bad, it's so bad that you often question the wisdom of turning it on, as the Advanced Atoll..........R-3 (?) semi-active Missiles are not really good at hitting anything that isn't a bomber, it has no look-down shoot-down capability (aka discerning targets against the ground Clutter) and it of course alerts the enemy to your presence, and that like any radar at double the range you are detecting anything. Which is not very far in the Mig-21. You are extremely dependant on GCI (Ground Controlled Intercept) to get any situational awareness in it, especially as the Radar only has coolant (alcohol) for 20 Minutes of operation.....So you can't just turn it on at Mission Start and gain some SA by looking at your radar screen. You have to use the radar only for those times you have a good chance of prosecuting an attack. And have one eye on the stopwatch while doing that. Now given that the Syrian Mig-23s in the Beka Valley had that radar, given that they were the downgraded export variant for non-Pact Countries (aka downgraded from an already slightly downgraded variant), I can fully understand why they got utterly hosed by Israeli Aircraft using the most modern US Avionics. Another one was when I first flew the Sabre for DCS, and it was just a delightful aircraft to fly, I could see why it was soo highly regarded. And then I decided to mount the first USAF Variant of the Sidewinder...........set up perfectly behind a Mig-15, dead astern in range but outside minimum range, launch and then the Mig-15 makes one hard turn and the Missile refuses to track.........and just hurtles straight on. There's tons of other situations like flying 109s over England on a proper escort mission to London, flying it at the edge of it's range, or flying without map markers and only the map, a clock and the instruments over the Western Desert in North Africa (both in 109s, Hurricanes, Kittyhawks and Spits) or flying one of the missions the guys of the Hal Far Fighter Flight (which contained the famous Gladiators Faith, Hope and Charity) where it was me on my own against 16 CR. 42, or flying P-39s over New Guinea against Zeroes, which really made me appreciate the hardships and the deeds of these aviators. And just how hard it was. Even with the seriously undermoddeled dying. Flying over the Desert is much harder than say, over France and even the Steppes of Russia, because you have next to manmade features like Roads to follow, almost no rivers and brooks that could tell you where you are. And it's so easy to get lost. Over a Desert you really appreciate just what a massive leap GPS is, as even an INS does suffer from drift. And without them, you might have an idea where you are but you can't be 100% sure of where you are, because you have no fixpoint. You can finally understand why the Iraqis thought that the move through the Desert on their Left Flank in the Gulf War of 1991 was impossible, because if you don't have GPS it is nigh impossible. Or why the North African Campaigns where centered around the Coastal regions, with rarely a great flanking move through the desert. You could do the same in Arma, which would be easier for most people, simply drop them in there, disable map markers, or rather the exact up to date ones and take aways their GPS, leaving them with a clock, a map and a compass. See how many people struggle today to do that, because they are so dependant on their phone's GPS, hell I taught a friend map-reading via arma. The funny thing about Arma is that you can actually navigate by the sun at day and the stars at night, if you want to, the sun simulation and the night sky are that accurate. There are things that you learn only by doing them, like in a fighter, how much seat positioning and cockpit design/layout affects your visibility and how much in turn visibility affects your combat effectiveness. Or in a Car, you learn just how bad drum brakes are, most people nowadays don't know them, never driven them, but then you hop into AMS 2 and use the Puma GTE or the racing Beetle and you notice. Or you fire up that Auto Union in AC and realize just how little traction that has. Or in a Train Sim, how much skill is involved in driving a Steam Locomotive and why certain bits of track, like say Beattock or Shap Bank where such challenges. Sims give us a good tool to experience that, in fact the best tool, as we cannot risk the lives of multiple people and massive ammounts of money to recreate air combat and the same goes for racing some of those classic cars hard. They might not be perfect, but they are a great tool for learning and understanding our past. And it is way past time that is acknowledged by society and academia. P.S. Bertha Benz is a Legend in Germany for that first overland trip in a car. It would be fitting to have a female driver model and maybe some passenger options, like "Bertha und Söhne" (Bertha and Sons), as well as Gentleman with lady and maybe Bertha and Karl? ;) P.S. Patent is spoken puh-Tent, your pronounciation was quite good, especially the a-sound in Patent, essentially it was correct, there should just more emphasis on the second part, the tent. Spoken tent just like the tent in english. ;)
This video was already great, but the custom controls makes it 10/10. edit: Also, it's good that this thing couldn't go any faster. With zero caster to the front wheel, the steering would've definitely been interesting at speed.
Oh yeah; if you take any incline downhill greater than 10% in the Motorwagen, it gets very lairy very fast; the lead-up to Nords' Hatzenbach is very hard to take without tipping over.
Truthfully an amazing video, I have to thank both you and the developer of this mod. This is truly living history. Amazing what development the motor vehicle has evolved into.
This is the future of all gaming. Imagine liking such plebeian fare as “Forza” or “GTA” when you could be touring the countryside in top hat and gloves, the wind in your mustache. TOP. HATS!
For me, the first part of the intro was the best - one blissful morning in 1885, lazy birdsong breaking the silence as the sun meanders its way above the horizon, and then, in the distance, the put-put-put of a machine the like of which no civilisation in this world had ever seen before. Anyway, as for us as vintage racing enthusiasts, there are so many cars I would love to see; the Golden Arrow land speed record car, Babs the car that was literally buried under a beach for fifty years before being completely restored, the Beast of Turin, the Darracq 200HP, the mighty Blitzen Benz, the Sunbeam Indianapolis of 1915/16, even Gottlieb Daimler's first attempt at one-upmanship with his Motorized Carriage. The Stanley Steamer, the incredible De Dion Bouton cars of the late 1890s and early 1900s...I could go on, and on, and on, and on. I know a lot of people like the cars of the modern era, but I think they'd love the pioneers even more. We humans seem to love evolution, trial and error, getting it wrong, wrong, wrong and finally getting it right, starting from nothing and finishing with a masterpiece. Well, Herr Benz, this little thing wasn't a bad start. And my god, how I wish I could travel back to your time, and bring you into mine, to show you what became of that seed you sowed.
Have you ever seen a Renault 12CV (I think it's called), I saw one at Goodwood once, the thing's a beast! Giant engine, giant boat tail and a nice cosy little wooden room in the middle for a driver, and about 25 different analogue gauges. Edit: oops, a bit off on the numbering, it was the 40cv! The land speed record car particularly, as the "normal" versions were limosuines.
@@worldcomicsreview354 Aha, the Montlhery Coupe! I had seen it, but I didn't know it by its proper name. It's so weird, and the weirdness of it is so fascinating...and so beautiful.
I don’t get it. I already know all these cars but despite that you’re the only one to have explained them in such a way that it gives me chills and makes me feel like a kid looking at these beautiful cars for the very first time again. 🙂
Another gem of a video, well researched and beautifully staged. Now, who else wants to see a field of 20 of these things, at Spa? Or maybe use this as the basis for another of Jake's Franken-Mods? 😁
I had the opportunity to see one of these Motor Wagen at the Louwman Museum in the Hague today and this video was the best way to cap off the experience! Visiting a museum like that you can see how automotive development accelerated tremendously in the early 20th century and our refined designs of today are improvements on those early days of innovation out of carriage building into automobile production. The automobile is one of the most important technologies of the 20th century because of the freedom it brought and the devastating legacy of pollution it has left to us today. Driving these sims of classic cars help us better understand why the car's development was so exciting and not just a source of ecological nightmares.
Now this is epic! Tell you what though, that exposed crank and engine (as well as my love for steam engines) is making me cry out for someone to make traction engines, steam rollers and steam lorries, just for the shits and giggles.
Watching this I was wondering why Benz didn’t incorporate more ideas from the bicycle into its steering at least. The answer is fairly simple, the standard bicycle handlebars, that we know worldwide today is primarily based on the Whippet Safety Bicycle of which a tricycle version was also on show for the first time in 1886 and these turned bicycles from novelty exercise devices to functional transport at about the same time. (no velocipede @‘s pls) An eye-popping year enabling the change from foot to wheeled traffic for men and women down almost any street.
I think Benz probably believed that having a long handlebar would make it inconvenient for a front passenger alongside the driver. A single-handlebar setup would make turning one direction uncomfortable and the other would have required leaning out which would be unsafe given the bench-style seating arrangement and lack of seatbelts. (Not specifying directions in case the Motorwagen was sold in both LHD and RHD) A two-handlebar setup would have required a central seating position that meant no room for passengers. Even if someone could flank the driver either side, they'd be regularly elbowed by the driver as they turned in.
An important moment in the history of humankind. A person born to a world where 50 km a day on a horse was a good travel, and many people had to walk up to several hours to school or to work. Mere 40 years later, the same person could visit a car race and witness cars pass by at 300 km/h. Such a radical change will never happen again, bar breaking the speed of light. In the 21th century, if we see a family car reach 500 km/h, a train reach 1000 km/h, a passenger airplane reach hypersonic speeds - we say "cool", but we're not going to be shocked. The turn of the 19th and the 20th century broke the limits, and inhuman speed is never going to be magical again.
Yes it will. Maybe not for cars, since you can't even go over 130 kph on public highways (with the exception of the autobahn). When France TGV proved that their high speed rail can go over 500kph back in 2007, it was mind blowing, same for Japan's bullet train that went over 600kph. It showed what was possible in the future. I don't know about you, but I would love to live in a world where traveling from NY to London on air less than 3hrs or travel from NY to FL on train under an hour.
@@carl8790 It is absolutely expected and unsurprising that things are getting faster, but they will also not get an order of magnitude faster in 30 years like they did back then. I can't imagine how could anyone have been surprised when trains exceeded 500 km/h. There is nothing fundamentally different between 200 and 300, or 300 and 500, it is a slow incremental evolution. It was just an "ah, cool" moment, not a "what the fuck is this spaceship of a train" moment. We knew that it was just a matter of time, there are no breakthroughs. We know the aerodynamics, the mechanics, the power requirements, the track requirements. We know what the constraints are. Everyone and their grandma have seen a thing move at those speeds. If 30 years from now trains are traveling at hypersonic speeds, I would say wow, that would be equivalent to what happened in early 20th century with cars. But we know that it is not going to happen. We are well into the bad part of diminishing returns literally everywhere, maybe except far fetched space travel methods.
I know what you mean about classics... my dad and i used to work (and drive) on a 1908 FN car (yes the same gun manufacturer, who at the time also build bicycles and motorcycles)... And man... it was difficult to crank and the throttle was on the wheel. clutch and brake were pedals and it was right hand drive, straight tooth gears, without synchro between gears... and ir was capable of sustainable speeds of up to 100 km/h.
In this ever growing gaming genre where big money is being spent on licensing, developing software and hardware. Reiza and a handful of AC modders are the only entities making classic content for titles you can call modern. Titles with ease of use, good graphics, VR support, and native support for modern hardware. In my opinion that’s a tragedy. It’s a shame Gran Turismo is a console exclusive.
I love this channel. Such high quality and enjoyable content. A massive amount of wonderfully informative but story filled videos. Also ayyyy its cool you chose Ireland for the video. There's sweet feck all of our country in sim racing.
If I had been woken early in the morning by this THUMP-THUMP machine in 1886, I would probably now be remembered as the man who killed the inventor of the automobile...😁 Great car-history video, Jake! And the effort for the control setup is just amazing: you made Macgyver very proud! 👍
As I put some information and video snippets together for my version on the Benz Motorwagen for my very small channel, along comes another masterpiece from my favorite content creator. Man you get better all the time and now this one is just amazing. Very well made scenes, beautiful details. The camera floating along nicely and the flow of your words arranged with the music. And of course...you have a special controlling arrangement for the Benz Motorwagen😮 Man...you are killing me.😁
I wanted to thank you for your series. I just love it. Born 73 and driven around the Ring in mummy’s tummy I just can’t help but love oldschool racing. Did you ever check the French track Charade in Clermont-Ferrand; Auvergne? Beautiful track in vulcanic region. Like a little Nordschleife / Bathurst Mix. F1 was there in 65 69 70 72
I want to say there was some sort of reliability trial in France in 1884, but I suppose the vehicles there had other forms of propulsion. Quite a few people enjoy the Morgan 3-wheeler. Moving forward a bit, the 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost comes to mind. I know Gran Turismo 4 has the Benz Patentwagen. In some ways, that one is still very possibly my favorite game in the GT series.
Coincidentally I used one of my old flight sim sticks for steering, throttle, and brake when I first downloaded a driving sim. It was less completely uncontrollable than you might think🤣, even raced the AI a bit.
I drove the motorwagen once on Gran Turismo 4. The obvious place to drive it was the Nordschleife. Unfortunately it didnt have enough power to make it up the hill to Hohenrain and began to slowly roll backwards at full throttle. Thus ended my pre-1900s historic racing experience.
Incredible that one hundred years later you had those turbocharged Formula 1 cars battling in F1 circuits like Williams Fw11....you should put Williams FW11 side by side with thia Motor-Wagen
You constantly move the bar of what enjoyable content is. Other sim racers and the like makes an effort to be as loud and annoying as possible. But your videos are so amazingly "tranquil" even in tight situations in race series. I know I'm rambling, I just don't have the vocabulary to express how much I enjoy your content. Thank you.
I don't usually comment on TH-cam but I just had to. Your videos are like art - you are an artist! Most stuff on TH-cam I watch to pass time, your videos, I settle down with a glass of wine. Keep doing what you are doing please! The stories you tell and the research you do - I hugely appreciate your efforts.
I was about to say, welll if you love automotive carriage, may be you have a look at the 'Chaudron de Cugnot', or other automotive contraptions available for display at musée des arts et métiers, but unless you are looking for a sim in which shoveling coal into a furnace is more important than steering, it might not be that interesting in the end XD. Nice video, and thank you for the content you provide, it is highly appreciated (especially on the Voisin laboratoire, i hope you get to try a 2cv!). Best regards!
tbh Vintage to someone like me is the 1990's. Cars I've never gotten to see race because I wasn't even born or was barely old enough to know what racing was.
Watching this video gave me a fresh perspective on simulators, now that I discovered this car once more. Watching your test on this car felt like I'm experiencing the 1880s where this was the only one ever created and a start of a perpetual evolution in the automotive world. Definitely a well-done mod and conveyed how automobiles have come far.
7:57 To put that into perspective, I recently drove from Berlin to Karlsruhe (which is located roughly in the center of the curve you drew on the map) and it took just 6 hours. I didn't even drive that fast.
In fact, that car of the intro (the fiat I mean), here on Spain is a very popular classic car on rallyes, known as Seat Marbella. So that Fiat, from where I come from is a well deserved classic car.
1:19 lol literally got chills on that transition. Also Jake! If that's your footage in Dirt Rally I totally gotta reccomend you give the Citroën DS21. Such a quirky fwd rally boat. I think you might enjoy it, it's a blast in Scotland, any a fun handful in New Zealand. Give it a try!
I remember being a child playing gran turismo 3/4 i think and I think it was this car being in the game. I loved it by how different it was from what we now think of a car. I tried it and it wasn't able to get from the starting line in laguna seca
I've saw a very old carriage in England with four wheels with the similar sitting bench and steering handle set up, the thing was going so quick that I was concerned he was out of control.
A moment back in time a piece of history come to life. As if we were a spectator not understanding the future passing in front of us. Great piece of cinematic history, wonderful video!
I've been doing racing sims for a few years, but your videos have inspired me to do more vintage racing. I've recently started the GPL mod for AC and picked up GTR2 to do Power and Glory. Great job on this video, and excellent narration. Thank you for the work put into these!
Briliant work sir love the videos man you should be an automobile historian, on an other note did you know his wife secretley test drove the car and she basicly inventented the brake 😀👍❤😎
That control setup is just next level.
One day I'll make content this good 🤞
Have you seen that new bike sim with a high-quality TT course? No doubt it'll be ported, if you get bored of the ring!
Run it on the Nordschleife please
@@herecometherats4634 it can't take some of the hills
This car was one of the prize cars you could get on GT4 and it was interesting to see how much it struggled with almost any kind of slope
Cross over special, Jimmer.😎
@@herecometherats4634 I doesn't make it up the Flugplatz. I tried on Gran Turismo 4.
Amazing if it wasn't for Bertha Benz the machine would still be in a shed. She was the brains behind her road test ,Karl was a great engineer but not a business man.
An actual review on the Motor Wagen, kudos!
Your channel always delivers.
So special and unique ..! I just started dreaming.. when suddenly, it was all over, again! Thank you, GPLaps!
The drag from the top hat must be enormous :-)
Crazy how far it has advanced
"When it comes to vintage racing, I think of this"
*E A R G A S M*
In deed while I belive what the wright brothers did with the first airplane and inventing controlled flight was more clean then the motor wagan was... What Benz did was just as great and influnces more people everyday.
I too once had a car that was a 'total loss' oiling system, lol
The sound 🥵🥵🥵
I'm so happy to see you reviewing one of my mods. It's an honor and it's entertaining as always... so much poetic vibes. I loved it. Thank you so much :)
Ayyyyyy
As soon as I had seen this absolutely fantastic piece of art had been released, I waited with anticipation that Jake would review it in the only way it should be. His style perfectly matches the presentation of this truly historic vehicle. Well done by both yourself and Jake. What a pair!
Hey i wan wondering. Did you ever dyno the Benz?
Okay man I want to see this thing with a 900-horsepower NASCAR engine can you please make that happen
Dude thank you for your detailed mod, it’s so amazing!
That intro was fantastic. The transition from the little Fiat to those screaming 12 cylinder monsters gave me chills.
This intro might beat his intro to the delage. I damn near melted in ear ecstasy.
Man your channel is such a breath of fresh air. I started enjoying Simracing again thanks to you and your passion for vintage racing. Don't get me wrong, I love vintage cars more than modern ones, but I never really put the time to do virtual racing until I started watching your channel.
It's the same for me here. The passion you get from the content on this channel is unmatched and you cant wait to drive some laps in old cars on old tracks or in old sims.
Fun Fact, it was Karl Benz’s wife that drew attention to the horseless carriage. When it was finished it was at first being used as a toy to show off, then his wife and one of his sons started visiting family and friends with it, when it broke down she would fix it and carry on. On some trips it took all day with only an hour visit , it was she that started the the ball rolling and encouraged Karl to start showing his invention off.
Yes. Karl Benz was the engineer, but Bertha Benz was the visionary.
@@timonsolus And he is spelled Carl, not Karl. 😉
One of the best decisions I ever made was to read Charles Jarrott's book "Ten Years of Motors and Motor Racing." It covers the early years of motor racing from around 1896 until his retirment in 1906. The guy personally experienced basically every innovation, from motor tricycles, to proper 4 wheeled cars, the development of steering wheels, air filled tires, ect. It's also full of old timey words like "mechanician" and "forthwith".
The deuce you say!
Is this book on Audible?
@@legoferrari14 No idea. I used kindle. I'd hope it's everywhere.
0.75hp at 400rpm
Speed 16 kmh
Love the video and the sense of perspective. But I especially love the "when I hear vintage I think of this:" segue and the 1971 Le Mans shot. Goosebumpy.
When I saw the effort being put into this car on RD I thought it didn't really have a place in a 'racing game', but thanks for giving me the sense of perspective and how much additional width this gives to AC and 'historic' driving in general. The controls you'd made for it show just how narrow-minded I'm thinking, in terms of "but a wheel"! Great idea.
Also, fingers crossed you're enjoying Thrashy's newly released Lake Garnett GP.
Mass 265kg
Rumor has it Jake also made a cardboard top hat and mustache to get full immersion (Great vid as always! 👍)
Totally glosses over the drivers Aero Tache - That Bernoulli sculpted beast, provided oodles of negative lift to press those skinny tyres into the track surface to prevent rampant wheel spinning at the rear and improve the front tyre's steering inputs which could easily be swamped into a strudel of understeer at the Wagons impressive top end speed. - for the algo
I don't think this was meant to be a comprehensive history of racing aerodynamics.
@@bob_._. I think he's talking about the driver's moustache. Maybe Aero Stache would be a better name hehe.
Imagine a race in those things.
Unfortunately, racing with the Benz Motorwagen is online-only as the car is too slow for the AI to drive. (The game Auto-DNF's any AI car going below a certain speed threshold after a given amount of time)
@@legoferrari14 I don't know why but I find that really funny
Probably a bit like a sailing yacht race, but with less excitement.
The first motor "races" were in the mid 1890's, I beleive. Though they were more like battles of mechanical attrition, it was more IF you got to the end, than how fast you did it!
Granturismo 4
Great job with the custom controller. Really appreciate the work and dedication put into this.
I love hotlapping with very slow cars. I know a big part of racing is speed. But another big part is knowing you and your machine's limitations, and finding ways to work around them.
To think that just 20 years later we'd get the Blitzen Benz, with its massive 21L engine and 200+ kph top speed.
And a further 25 years after that they'd merge with rival manufacturer Mercedes.
Then another 30 years on a massive incident at Le Mans, France almost caused a worldwide ban on racing outright
But another 55 years after that tragedy and the Benz name is part of the single most dominant racing team in recent history.
Only half-way trough, but I agree with you on that that simming can be enlightening.
Combat Flightsimming has been that way for me for more than a few years, my biggest "AHA!"-Moment was when I first flew the Mig-21 for DCS, which is a fully detailed simulation of a Mig-21 bis LASUR/SAU (Read the final variant with either the semi-automatic interception system or a semi-automatic landing system), and I got face to face with the Cold War Legend that was supposed to be that awesome Dogfighter.
And the first impression was how bad the cockpit visibility was......even on standard without the additional panels for the Fighter Bomber version or the nuclear strike version.
It was quite shocking how bad the visibility was, which would be extremely detrimental in a dogfight, and put certain claims of the Israeli into perspetive.
Additionally it's handling and turn capability were not quite as imagined, although that and the visibility should be taken with a slight grain of salt, as this is the Final production model, and not the early variants that fougth in Vietnam and in the Six-Day and Yom-Kippur War.
Then it got to the Radar, and my god is it bad, it's so bad that you often question the wisdom of turning it on, as the Advanced Atoll..........R-3 (?) semi-active Missiles are not really good at hitting anything that isn't a bomber, it has no look-down shoot-down capability (aka discerning targets against the ground Clutter) and it of course alerts the enemy to your presence, and that like any radar at double the range you are detecting anything. Which is not very far in the Mig-21.
You are extremely dependant on GCI (Ground Controlled Intercept) to get any situational awareness in it, especially as the Radar only has coolant (alcohol) for 20 Minutes of operation.....So you can't just turn it on at Mission Start and gain some SA by looking at your radar screen. You have to use the radar only for those times you have a good chance of prosecuting an attack. And have one eye on the stopwatch while doing that.
Now given that the Syrian Mig-23s in the Beka Valley had that radar, given that they were the downgraded export variant for non-Pact Countries (aka downgraded from an already slightly downgraded variant), I can fully understand why they got utterly hosed by Israeli Aircraft using the most modern US Avionics.
Another one was when I first flew the Sabre for DCS, and it was just a delightful aircraft to fly, I could see why it was soo highly regarded. And then I decided to mount the first USAF Variant of the Sidewinder...........set up perfectly behind a Mig-15, dead astern in range but outside minimum range, launch and then the Mig-15 makes one hard turn and the Missile refuses to track.........and just hurtles straight on.
There's tons of other situations like flying 109s over England on a proper escort mission to London, flying it at the edge of it's range, or flying without map markers and only the map, a clock and the instruments over the Western Desert in North Africa (both in 109s, Hurricanes, Kittyhawks and Spits) or flying one of the missions the guys of the Hal Far Fighter Flight (which contained the famous Gladiators Faith, Hope and Charity) where it was me on my own against 16 CR. 42, or flying P-39s over New Guinea against Zeroes, which really made me appreciate the hardships and the deeds of these aviators. And just how hard it was. Even with the seriously undermoddeled dying.
Flying over the Desert is much harder than say, over France and even the Steppes of Russia, because you have next to manmade features like Roads to follow, almost no rivers and brooks that could tell you where you are. And it's so easy to get lost. Over a Desert you really appreciate just what a massive leap GPS is, as even an INS does suffer from drift. And without them, you might have an idea where you are but you can't be 100% sure of where you are, because you have no fixpoint.
You can finally understand why the Iraqis thought that the move through the Desert on their Left Flank in the Gulf War of 1991 was impossible, because if you don't have GPS it is nigh impossible.
Or why the North African Campaigns where centered around the Coastal regions, with rarely a great flanking move through the desert.
You could do the same in Arma, which would be easier for most people, simply drop them in there, disable map markers, or rather the exact up to date ones and take aways their GPS, leaving them with a clock, a map and a compass.
See how many people struggle today to do that, because they are so dependant on their phone's GPS, hell I taught a friend map-reading via arma.
The funny thing about Arma is that you can actually navigate by the sun at day and the stars at night, if you want to, the sun simulation and the night sky are that accurate.
There are things that you learn only by doing them, like in a fighter, how much seat positioning and cockpit design/layout affects your visibility and how much in turn visibility affects your combat effectiveness. Or in a Car, you learn just how bad drum brakes are, most people nowadays don't know them, never driven them, but then you hop into AMS 2 and use the Puma GTE or the racing Beetle and you notice. Or you fire up that Auto Union in AC and realize just how little traction that has. Or in a Train Sim, how much skill is involved in driving a Steam Locomotive and why certain bits of track, like say Beattock or Shap Bank where such challenges.
Sims give us a good tool to experience that, in fact the best tool, as we cannot risk the lives of multiple people and massive ammounts of money to recreate air combat and the same goes for racing some of those classic cars hard. They might not be perfect, but they are a great tool for learning and understanding our past. And it is way past time that is acknowledged by society and academia.
P.S. Bertha Benz is a Legend in Germany for that first overland trip in a car. It would be fitting to have a female driver model and maybe some passenger options, like "Bertha und Söhne" (Bertha and Sons), as well as Gentleman with lady and maybe Bertha and Karl? ;)
P.S. Patent is spoken puh-Tent, your pronounciation was quite good, especially the a-sound in Patent, essentially it was correct, there should just more emphasis on the second part, the tent. Spoken tent just like the tent in english. ;)
This fool just wrote a series of books lmao
Holy shit the dedication of recreating that janky control scheme
This is why I still love AC. Perfect.
This video was already great, but the custom controls makes it 10/10.
edit: Also, it's good that this thing couldn't go any faster. With zero caster to the front wheel, the steering would've definitely been interesting at speed.
Oh yeah; if you take any incline downhill greater than 10% in the Motorwagen, it gets very lairy very fast; the lead-up to Nords' Hatzenbach is very hard to take without tipping over.
Truthfully an amazing video, I have to thank both you and the developer of this mod. This is truly living history. Amazing what development the motor vehicle has evolved into.
This is so well done omg. You keep hitting new levels!
This is the future of all gaming. Imagine liking such plebeian fare as “Forza” or “GTA” when you could be touring the countryside in top hat and gloves, the wind in your mustache. TOP. HATS!
The quality of your videos are astounding, and this one is an instant favorite. Well done!
I never know what to expect when i see a new GPLaps vid.
But I’m never ever disappointed.
Still hoping for a proper "Roaring Boards" simulator where I can race a 1920s Miller on a wooden speedway. Oh well, one day?
I'm working on it.... 🤫
I like that name there for a pack....
For me, the first part of the intro was the best - one blissful morning in 1885, lazy birdsong breaking the silence as the sun meanders its way above the horizon, and then, in the distance, the put-put-put of a machine the like of which no civilisation in this world had ever seen before. Anyway, as for us as vintage racing enthusiasts, there are so many cars I would love to see; the Golden Arrow land speed record car, Babs the car that was literally buried under a beach for fifty years before being completely restored, the Beast of Turin, the Darracq 200HP, the mighty Blitzen Benz, the Sunbeam Indianapolis of 1915/16, even Gottlieb Daimler's first attempt at one-upmanship with his Motorized Carriage. The Stanley Steamer, the incredible De Dion Bouton cars of the late 1890s and early 1900s...I could go on, and on, and on, and on. I know a lot of people like the cars of the modern era, but I think they'd love the pioneers even more. We humans seem to love evolution, trial and error, getting it wrong, wrong, wrong and finally getting it right, starting from nothing and finishing with a masterpiece. Well, Herr Benz, this little thing wasn't a bad start. And my god, how I wish I could travel back to your time, and bring you into mine, to show you what became of that seed you sowed.
Have you ever seen a Renault 12CV (I think it's called), I saw one at Goodwood once, the thing's a beast! Giant engine, giant boat tail and a nice cosy little wooden room in the middle for a driver, and about 25 different analogue gauges.
Edit: oops, a bit off on the numbering, it was the 40cv! The land speed record car particularly, as the "normal" versions were limosuines.
@@worldcomicsreview354 Aha, the Montlhery Coupe! I had seen it, but I didn't know it by its proper name. It's so weird, and the weirdness of it is so fascinating...and so beautiful.
Getting the Darracq 200 into AC is an absolute dream of mine, it's a really sick piece of antique machinery.
The Bob Ross of sim racing. Love you’re videos! Beautifully done.
Most poetic racing channel by far. You could be directing features, you know?
I don’t get it. I already know all these cars but despite that you’re the only one to have explained them in such a way that it gives me chills and makes me feel like a kid looking at these beautiful cars for the very first time again. 🙂
And then someone installed a turbo, a cold air intake, a gramophone (for the banging tunes) and a spoiler kit on it. 😂👍
Your video style reminds me so much of CGR or LGR. Love the content!
Did I just get emotional over a motor carriage going 6 miles an hour?
That opening 2mins was fucking fantastic
Can't wait to see Jimmer take this 'round the Nordschliefe next week!
I thought about taking it around a week ago, but didn't want to wait that long to complete a lap
Another gem of a video, well researched and beautifully staged. Now, who else wants to see a field of 20 of these things, at Spa? Or maybe use this as the basis for another of Jake's Franken-Mods? 😁
I had the opportunity to see one of these Motor Wagen at the Louwman Museum in the Hague today and this video was the best way to cap off the experience! Visiting a museum like that you can see how automotive development accelerated tremendously in the early 20th century and our refined designs of today are improvements on those early days of innovation out of carriage building into automobile production. The automobile is one of the most important technologies of the 20th century because of the freedom it brought and the devastating legacy of pollution it has left to us today. Driving these sims of classic cars help us better understand why the car's development was so exciting and not just a source of ecological nightmares.
Now this is epic! Tell you what though, that exposed crank and engine (as well as my love for steam engines) is making me cry out for someone to make traction engines, steam rollers and steam lorries, just for the shits and giggles.
I remember this car, along with the Daimler Motor Carriage, which was also invented around the same time as the Benz, from Gran Turismo 4.
Could this be the start of a new series for the most innovative, groundbreaking or prolific cars of each decade ?
Watching this I was wondering why Benz didn’t incorporate more ideas from the bicycle into its steering at least. The answer is fairly simple, the standard bicycle handlebars, that we know worldwide today is primarily based on the Whippet Safety Bicycle of which a tricycle version was also on show for the first time in 1886 and these turned bicycles from novelty exercise devices to functional transport at about the same time.
(no velocipede @‘s pls)
An eye-popping year enabling the change from foot to wheeled traffic for men and women down almost any street.
I think Benz probably believed that having a long handlebar would make it inconvenient for a front passenger alongside the driver. A single-handlebar setup would make turning one direction uncomfortable and the other would have required leaning out which would be unsafe given the bench-style seating arrangement and lack of seatbelts. (Not specifying directions in case the Motorwagen was sold in both LHD and RHD)
A two-handlebar setup would have required a central seating position that meant no room for passengers. Even if someone could flank the driver either side, they'd be regularly elbowed by the driver as they turned in.
Well, you can't go much more vintage than that!
Excellent video. Very well done trying to get the same control scheme from your joystick and flight controls.
An important moment in the history of humankind. A person born to a world where 50 km a day on a horse was a good travel, and many people had to walk up to several hours to school or to work. Mere 40 years later, the same person could visit a car race and witness cars pass by at 300 km/h. Such a radical change will never happen again, bar breaking the speed of light.
In the 21th century, if we see a family car reach 500 km/h, a train reach 1000 km/h, a passenger airplane reach hypersonic speeds - we say "cool", but we're not going to be shocked. The turn of the 19th and the 20th century broke the limits, and inhuman speed is never going to be magical again.
Yes it will. Maybe not for cars, since you can't even go over 130 kph on public highways (with the exception of the autobahn). When France TGV proved that their high speed rail can go over 500kph back in 2007, it was mind blowing, same for Japan's bullet train that went over 600kph. It showed what was possible in the future.
I don't know about you, but I would love to live in a world where traveling from NY to London on air less than 3hrs or travel from NY to FL on train under an hour.
@@carl8790 It is absolutely expected and unsurprising that things are getting faster, but they will also not get an order of magnitude faster in 30 years like they did back then. I can't imagine how could anyone have been surprised when trains exceeded 500 km/h. There is nothing fundamentally different between 200 and 300, or 300 and 500, it is a slow incremental evolution. It was just an "ah, cool" moment, not a "what the fuck is this spaceship of a train" moment. We knew that it was just a matter of time, there are no breakthroughs. We know the aerodynamics, the mechanics, the power requirements, the track requirements. We know what the constraints are. Everyone and their grandma have seen a thing move at those speeds.
If 30 years from now trains are traveling at hypersonic speeds, I would say wow, that would be equivalent to what happened in early 20th century with cars. But we know that it is not going to happen. We are well into the bad part of diminishing returns literally everywhere, maybe except far fetched space travel methods.
Wonderful video again, beautifully put together. Would love to see what time the Benz could do around the ring.
I take off my hat for you sir. Your content is simply amazing. Keep up the good work and please make it so that we don't lose you for a second time.
I know what you mean about classics... my dad and i used to work (and drive) on a 1908 FN car (yes the same gun manufacturer, who at the time also build bicycles and motorcycles)... And man... it was difficult to crank and the throttle was on the wheel. clutch and brake were pedals and it was right hand drive, straight tooth gears, without synchro between gears... and ir was capable of sustainable speeds of up to 100 km/h.
In this ever growing gaming genre where big money is being spent on licensing, developing software and hardware. Reiza and a handful of AC modders are the only entities making classic content for titles you can call modern. Titles with ease of use, good graphics, VR support, and native support for modern hardware.
In my opinion that’s a tragedy. It’s a shame Gran Turismo is a console exclusive.
I love this channel. Such high quality and enjoyable content. A massive amount of wonderfully informative but story filled videos.
Also ayyyy its cool you chose Ireland for the video. There's sweet feck all of our country in sim racing.
If I had been woken early in the morning by this THUMP-THUMP machine in 1886, I would probably now be remembered as the man who killed the inventor of the automobile...😁
Great car-history video, Jake! And the effort for the control setup is just amazing: you made Macgyver very proud! 👍
As I put some information and video snippets together for my version on the Benz Motorwagen for my very small channel, along comes another masterpiece from my favorite content creator.
Man you get better all the time and now this one is just amazing. Very well made scenes, beautiful details. The camera floating along nicely and the flow of your words arranged with the music. And of course...you have a special controlling arrangement for the Benz Motorwagen😮 Man...you are killing me.😁
I wanted to thank you for your series. I just love it. Born 73 and driven around the Ring in mummy’s tummy I just can’t help but love oldschool racing. Did you ever check the French track Charade in Clermont-Ferrand; Auvergne? Beautiful track in vulcanic region. Like a little Nordschleife / Bathurst Mix. F1 was there in 65 69 70 72
I want to say there was some sort of reliability trial in France in 1884, but I suppose the vehicles there had other forms of propulsion.
Quite a few people enjoy the Morgan 3-wheeler.
Moving forward a bit, the 1907 Rolls Royce Silver Ghost comes to mind.
I know Gran Turismo 4 has the Benz Patentwagen. In some ways, that one is still very possibly my favorite game in the GT series.
No wonder "Around The World In Eighty Days" was considered far-fetched sci-fi back then.
July 3rd my birthday 🤣😂
Its a sign im a professional driver 🤣😂💯👍
Love how you went the extra mile with the controls 👍💯
The lengths you went to get an accurate simulation of driving it are admirable. I just used an Xbox controller to see how it felt.
Coincidentally I used one of my old flight sim sticks for steering, throttle, and brake when I first downloaded a driving sim. It was less completely uncontrollable than you might think🤣, even raced the AI a bit.
I drove the motorwagen once on Gran Turismo 4. The obvious place to drive it was the Nordschleife. Unfortunately it didnt have enough power to make it up the hill to Hohenrain and began to slowly roll backwards at full throttle. Thus ended my pre-1900s historic racing experience.
I had to smile when I saw the 23 year old GPL book "Four-Wheel drift" lying on your desk. :-)
Incredible that one hundred years later you had those turbocharged Formula 1 cars battling in F1 circuits like Williams Fw11....you should put Williams FW11 side by side with thia Motor-Wagen
You constantly move the bar of what enjoyable content is. Other sim racers and the like makes an effort to be as loud and annoying as possible. But your videos are so amazingly "tranquil" even in tight situations in race series. I know I'm rambling, I just don't have the vocabulary to express how much I enjoy your content. Thank you.
Don't know about you, but my first two 60's cars to race were the 1967 Cobra 427 and GT40 #1075 on Gran Turismo 2 way back in 1999.
I don't usually comment on TH-cam but I just had to. Your videos are like art - you are an artist! Most stuff on TH-cam I watch to pass time, your videos, I settle down with a glass of wine. Keep doing what you are doing please! The stories you tell and the research you do - I hugely appreciate your efforts.
I was about to say, welll if you love automotive carriage, may be you have a look at the 'Chaudron de Cugnot', or other automotive contraptions available for display at musée des arts et métiers, but unless you are looking for a sim in which shoveling coal into a furnace is more important than steering, it might not be that interesting in the end XD. Nice video, and thank you for the content you provide, it is highly appreciated (especially on the Voisin laboratoire, i hope you get to try a 2cv!). Best regards!
The Motorwagen was absolutely NOT the first automobil, only the first car.
How come you have such little subscribers? You have a great voice interesting video. I recon youtube algorithm is rigged.
Jake, I can see you now, sitting atop that 1886 Benz. Top hat, bow tie, pipe dangling out of your mouth. I think this is your best video yet.
tbh Vintage to someone like me is the 1990's. Cars I've never gotten to see race because I wasn't even born or was barely old enough to know what racing was.
Watching this video gave me a fresh perspective on simulators, now that I discovered this car once more. Watching your test on this car felt like I'm experiencing the 1880s where this was the only one ever created and a start of a perpetual evolution in the automotive world. Definitely a well-done mod and conveyed how automobiles have come far.
You sir have taken sim racing setups to a new level and I'm so f@$×ing proud of you.
Nice touch for the video, really nice touch.
7:57 To put that into perspective, I recently drove from Berlin to Karlsruhe (which is located roughly in the center of the curve you drew on the map) and it took just 6 hours. I didn't even drive that fast.
Rumors that if you throw a ladder on that Uno, you can lap Nürburgring in half a minute... (Brazilians will get it)
When I first saw this mod on RaceDepartment I knew GPlaps would be making a video about it. Great Video!
Love your channel. Been binge watching for the last week or so.
One question though, Where did you get that Fiat Uno from the start? Love that car!
That was excellently directed. And you're right, it's good to find different perspectives to appreciate things in new ways.
Great , great channel you have produced
I friend of mine had 1908 Benz 2 door amazing vehicle
In fact, that car of the intro (the fiat I mean), here on Spain is a very popular classic car on rallyes, known as Seat Marbella. So that Fiat, from where I come from is a well deserved classic car.
Picture this; a peaceful country side. Bird chirping. Then some mad lad with an early mini gun comes running across the field blasting away
1:19 lol literally got chills on that transition.
Also Jake! If that's your footage in Dirt Rally I totally gotta reccomend you give the Citroën DS21. Such a quirky fwd rally boat. I think you might enjoy it, it's a blast in Scotland, any a fun handful in New Zealand. Give it a try!
Thats why I See AC As my Personal Gran turismo. I can Tage an car u want and just cruise for my self no need to worry about lap times and stuff.
I still start my PS2 to play GT4 and drive this Benz and Daimler motorized carriage.
I remember being a child playing gran turismo 3/4 i think and I think it was this car being in the game. I loved it by how different it was from what we now think of a car. I tried it and it wasn't able to get from the starting line in laguna seca
I've saw a very old carriage in England with four wheels with the similar sitting bench and steering handle set up, the thing was going so quick that I was concerned he was out of control.
Am I right in saying that Mercedes Benz still makes replicas of the Motorwagen for museums and other such institutions?
A moment back in time a piece of history come to life. As if we were a spectator not understanding the future passing in front of us. Great piece of cinematic history, wonderful video!
1967 F1 at oval monza? Come on GPLaps...
Nice work, as always.
Love your videos, always well done and interesting. My favorite channel. Thank you!
I've been doing racing sims for a few years, but your videos have inspired me to do more vintage racing. I've recently started the GPL mod for AC and picked up GTR2 to do Power and Glory. Great job on this video, and excellent narration. Thank you for the work put into these!
Briliant work sir love the videos man you should be an automobile historian, on an other note did you know his wife secretley test drove the car and she basicly inventented the brake 😀👍❤😎
That was nice...
Your content is just brilliant. I'm always glued to your videos from start to finish.
I loved my Fiat Uno! YOU DON'T SAY IT'S NOT A CLASSIC!
The best videos. Always bring a smile and educate. Thanks for the efforts.
You've outdone yourself once again, Jake.
And yes, I do notice and appreciate all the effort and improvement you put into editing your videos.
Another masterpiece! These inspirational mods are certainly igniting your creativity...