Hetzen has a couple ofmeanings other then in the hunting context. For example: "den hund auf ihn hetzen" means something along the line of sending your dog to attack someone, not chasing after someone but the act of releasing the dog and send him to attack. Hetzen can also be used in the context of harassing someone, stressing someone and never allow him to rest. Hetzjagt in german is less of a high speed chase but more a way of following the game, stirring it up again and again, never allowing it to rest till it collapses from exhaustion. So in my understanding (as Austrian German is my native language, but I'm not a hunter) hetzen in hunting is less about speed and more about relentless harrassment. Is basically the way stone age hunters brought down large game. But hetzen can also mean to stress someone at his work by things like asking someone every 5 min if he's done already. Again it's less about speed and more about never allow someone to rest and settle down into doing his job properly. Hetzen can also be used in the sense that you stir up hatred against a person or group. And finally having a Hetz in austrian dialect means having fun. So i, as speaker of the german language, never thought about the name hetzer inappropriate for the jgdpz. 38 t. Because constantly harassing the enemy by ambushing him again and again, firing a couple of shots and disappearing, keeping him on his toes till he's exhausted, is exactly what the word means to me.
My grandfather was gunner in one of those, after doing the job on 37mm and 75mm towed guns. He hated the guts of the "Czech Stug" as he called it and repeatedly remembered the massive relief he felt when the thing got a disabling hit, so he could get away from this "coffin".
At 9:46 it's interesting that the German report references having two "Flak-Pz V". Since what we now know as the "Flakpanzer V" was never built, that must refer to some other vehicle.
A rose is but a rose by any other name. Hetzer argument is redundant, like the British designated Me 109 as to Bf 109. I can be wrong as im not an expert by any means.
love the content and hearing your voice overs, though lately it kind of sounds like your, well...sitting inside a tank to read about them!😆( Quite a bit of echo.)
Hare coursing takes place at speed using fast dogs (greyhounds) to chase down the hares. Coursing is any hunting that uses dogs that hunt by sight to chase down their prey.
A logical reason the vehicle couldn't officially be called the Hetzer is obvious by looking at the timeline. Jagdpanzer 38 production started at BMM from May 1944 and the drawings for the E-10 weren't completed until the Summer of 1944. What does that mean? The E-10 was only then given the suggestive name "Hetzer" so the earliest Jagdpanzer 38 (like the Polish captured Chwat) could not have been called Hetzer, even out of confusion, as the suggestive name didn't exist for the future E 10. It is simply a Jagdpanzer 38. This can be verified by using Panzer Tracts 9 on the Jagdpanzer and Panzer Tracts 20-1 on the Paper Panzers assembled by Thomas L. Jentz with scale prints by Hilary Louis Doyle.
You do know that German vehicles got renamed a lot and they did get nicknames a good while after entering service, right? Elefant and Nashorn come to mind most prominently. Also, a project doesn't need completed drawings in order to have a name. This document, from January 1944 (way before the drawings were complete) talks about the E-10 as the Project Hetzer i.imgur.com/kHb2JqA.jpg
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT , I don't see a date on that document (but no reason to doubt you). The example you gave for renaming does have existing documentation but none seen for the Jagdpanzer 38. I guess we agree that it was not official yet used by the troops.
”British historian Mark Axworthy suggests that the design for the Hetzer was likely rooted in the Romanian Mareşal tank destroyer. In November-December 1943, a Romanian commission ordered from Germany and German-occupied France several components which could not be made in Romania and this drew German attention to the Mareşal. Hitler approved the development of the Hetzer on 7 December 1943. That same month, Marshal Antonescu, Conducător of Romania at the time, commended the Mareşal project to Hitler. Soon afterwards, on 6 January 1944, Hitler was presented with the plans of the Mareşal M-04 prototype. Axworthy notes that the Hetzer'"s armament, armor and broader hull were very similar to those of the M-04. He also reports that in May 1944, German Lieutenant-Colonel Ventz (a delegate of the Waffenamt) admitted that the Hetzer had followed the Romanian design solution.[2] American historian Steven Zaloga writes that "The Germans were impressed with the overall layout of the Mareşal, and it is credited with being the inspiration for the German Jagdpanzer 38(t) tank destroyer."
Hetzen has a couple ofmeanings other then in the hunting context. For example: "den hund auf ihn hetzen" means something along the line of sending your dog to attack someone, not chasing after someone but the act of releasing the dog and send him to attack.
Hetzen can also be used in the context of harassing someone, stressing someone and never allow him to rest.
Hetzjagt in german is less of a high speed chase but more a way of following the game, stirring it up again and again, never allowing it to rest till it collapses from exhaustion. So in my understanding (as Austrian German is my native language, but I'm not a hunter) hetzen in hunting is less about speed and more about relentless harrassment. Is basically the way stone age hunters brought down large game.
But hetzen can also mean to stress someone at his work by things like asking someone every 5 min if he's done already. Again it's less about speed and more about never allow someone to rest and settle down into doing his job properly.
Hetzen can also be used in the sense that you stir up hatred against a person or group.
And finally having a Hetz in austrian dialect means having fun.
So i, as speaker of the german language, never thought about the name hetzer inappropriate for the jgdpz. 38 t. Because constantly harassing the enemy by ambushing him again and again, firing a couple of shots and disappearing, keeping him on his toes till he's exhausted, is exactly what the word means to me.
So, the English equivalent to "hetzer" would be "siccer", one who does siccing. It has similar non-hunting contexts in English too.
My grandfather was gunner in one of those, after doing the job on 37mm and 75mm towed guns. He hated the guts of the "Czech Stug" as he called it and repeatedly remembered the massive relief he felt when the thing got a disabling hit, so he could get away from this "coffin".
The gunner's job in this seems...problematic.
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Gunner? I thought the loader might hate it but gunner too?
Best explanation I've ever heard👍 regarding the name. I concur to the german translation 👌
At 9:46 it's interesting that the German report references having two "Flak-Pz V". Since what we now know as the "Flakpanzer V" was never built, that must refer to some other vehicle.
Man. I would really really like to do voiceover for this channel.
Especially on vehicles like the Chi-To or Chi-Ha. Love those tanks
Well, send an audition to tanks.encyclopedia@gmail.com
Good stuff!
Thanks for this lovely etymology!
Thank you for this video.
Great research, thanks for posting!
Great video!
Wouldn't Poacher be accurate for both role and hunting style?
A rose is but a rose by any other name. Hetzer argument is redundant, like the British designated Me 109 as to Bf 109. I can be wrong as im not an expert by any means.
My great grandfather had a beer with the guy who saw this in a museum once.
So the e10 and the hetzer are related?
You forgot about poles capturing hetzer in warsaw uprising and using it with the nickname "chwat" ;)
Mentioned it in the article, skipped most of the foreign users in the videos unfortunately.
love the content and hearing your voice overs, though lately it kind of sounds like your, well...sitting inside a tank to read about them!😆( Quite a bit of echo.)
Yes, these are from when we tried doing the videos with Stan. The good quality audio will come soon though ;)
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT oh it's quite ok...I just had a nice fun image of you reading from the cavernous interior of some big tank😉
Hare coursing takes place at speed using fast dogs (greyhounds) to chase down the hares. Coursing is any hunting that uses dogs that hunt by sight to chase down their prey.
A logical reason the vehicle couldn't officially be called the Hetzer is obvious by looking at the timeline. Jagdpanzer 38 production started at BMM from May 1944 and the drawings for the E-10 weren't completed until the Summer of 1944. What does that mean? The E-10 was only then given the suggestive name "Hetzer" so the earliest Jagdpanzer 38 (like the Polish captured Chwat) could not have been called Hetzer, even out of confusion, as the suggestive name didn't exist for the future E 10. It is simply a Jagdpanzer 38. This can be verified by using Panzer Tracts 9 on the Jagdpanzer and Panzer Tracts 20-1 on the Paper Panzers assembled by Thomas L. Jentz with scale prints by Hilary Louis Doyle.
You do know that German vehicles got renamed a lot and they did get nicknames a good while after entering service, right? Elefant and Nashorn come to mind most prominently.
Also, a project doesn't need completed drawings in order to have a name. This document, from January 1944 (way before the drawings were complete) talks about the E-10 as the Project Hetzer
i.imgur.com/kHb2JqA.jpg
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT , I don't see a date on that document (but no reason to doubt you). The example you gave for renaming does have existing documentation but none seen for the Jagdpanzer 38. I guess we agree that it was not official yet used by the troops.
@@sharkmouth9560 yup, we agree with that
”British historian Mark Axworthy suggests that the design for the Hetzer was likely rooted in the Romanian Mareşal tank destroyer. In November-December 1943, a Romanian commission ordered from Germany and German-occupied France several components which could not be made in Romania and this drew German attention to the Mareşal. Hitler approved the development of the Hetzer on 7 December 1943. That same month, Marshal Antonescu, Conducător of Romania at the time, commended the Mareşal project to Hitler. Soon afterwards, on 6 January 1944, Hitler was presented with the plans of the Mareşal M-04 prototype. Axworthy notes that the Hetzer'"s armament, armor and broader hull were very similar to those of the M-04. He also reports that in May 1944, German Lieutenant-Colonel Ventz (a delegate of the Waffenamt) admitted that the Hetzer had followed the Romanian design solution.[2] American historian Steven Zaloga writes that "The Germans were impressed with the overall layout of the Mareşal, and it is credited with being the inspiration for the German Jagdpanzer 38(t) tank destroyer."
Ayo the Hetzer here!
Ah yes the Jagdpanzer 38t and it’s unofficial name
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Wouldn't it be Jagdpanzer 38(t) ?
The interviews were recorded in ‘Germans’ ;)
Am i the first?, Anyways, great video!