Your heart was in the right place-- for that, major props for addressing this, but there's more to it. Especially since Baltimore's love for the game has been jaded since the first game played in the city in February 1896. First, there's not going to be an NHL team in Baltimore unless the Capitals move because they own the territorial rights to the Baltimore area. The Ducks had to pay $50M to the Kings when they came into the league in 1993; if a second Toronto team came in, that figure would be in the Billions. You can assume that the Caps would want a hefty fee. Which, on top of the relocation fee-- which most owners won't give. Since the Nats and O's are have had disputes on TV rights fee, this would be another thing to add to the pile of nope. You're right on the arena, it's been up since 1962 and has no tenant in it since the Blast moved. I doubt a new arena will happen any time soon because if there was a chance, odds are Kevin Plank (CEO, Under Armour) would have built it already. There's been so many proposals, but nothing to build it since there's no prospects of anything outside of arena football to be played in there due to DC's territorial rights over the area. Couple of house cleaning things-- the Clippers left in the middle of the 1974-75 season because the WHA came in and then disappeared after the 1974-75 season; the Clippers were never able to regain the popularity in lower leagues. The Skipjacks were successful for a time, but ownership issues, issues with the city, and the Caps were a downfall of them. Also, if you're going to use the logo for the Clippers-- that's a fan made one and not the actual one used for the team
I believe that Baltimore could definitely support an NHL team even with the caps and flyers. The Baltimore area and the Washington area youth hockey are completely separate. The rivalry between the caps and Baltimore would be amazing much like the O's and Nats and Ravens and Redskins. I've lived in this area my whole life and trust me when I say hockey is growing, every year there seems to be more hockey coming out of our area. I mean Baltimore did have one of the first hockey leagues in the united states in the 1890s with 6 teams from all over the Baltimore area. The rink the league was based out of was actually one of the first if not the first indoor ice rink in the united states. WIthout Baltimore hockey here would not be the same. The sport spread all over the mid-Atlantic and soon connected to the already popular community in Canada. Soon Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlantic City, and New York City fell in love with the game. In the 1967 expansion, Baltimore was awarded a team but did not get one because of the Chicago Blackhawks wanted a rivalry in St Louis and so the blues were born. A few years later when Baltimore was awarded a team yet again and was supposed to have a rink built in Columbia, MD but the plans fell through and so instead they built a rink in Landover, MD and Washington got the team.
Sadly a group led by Kevin Durant, has decided to renovate the Royal Farms Arena, add luxury boxes, hopefully get rid of that stage and add a few thousand seats
Good video. The greater Baltimore area, separate from metro Washington, has 2.8 million people. Obviously, there is some overlap with Howard and Anne Arundel counties being home to people employed in the Washington metro area, but this does not make Baltimore less attractive. Only San Diego is a bigger metropolitan area with no pro wintertime sports. In fact, if you include some of the Eastern Shore and southern Adams and York counties in Pennsylvania, this represents a market of close to 3 million people. Baltimore needs a new arena. The Maryland Stadium Authority was established to build Camden Yards and M&T Bank Stadium, backed by the lottery. This mechanism can be used to build a new arena. Next, an ownership group would have to step forward. The Ravens' owner would likely have the wherewithal to be a leading partner. Next, the NHL would have to decide to expand again. Given that the NHL owners collected $700 million for the Seattle Kraken, and that the Houston Rockets' owners want an NHL team, it is a matter of time before the NHL expands again. A Baltimore NHL franchise would have instant rivalries with Washington, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. The New York teams are not far and nether is Raleigh, NC. It makes sense. As for Baltimore being the Capitals' market, Washington has enough people to thrive even with an NHL team in Baltimore.
Any new Baltimore arena damn well better have a 200' (NHL length) x 98.5' (IIHF width) rink. Host the Frozen Four, international competitions and curling tournaments for starters. Washington-based Abe Pollin never had any intentions of keeping Bullets in Baltimore. He only honored ten-year lease that expired after the 1972-73 season.
I live in Baltimore right now, I started hockey a bit late, when I was a Peewee and I only found out about it in 2018. Now I'm a Bantam, I got my first shutout last season and I started doing much better, from 1-9 losses to usually 4-2 wins. I had the semi-finals in Hersheypark Arena, which was awesome, but failed, it was still a great experience. Baltimore definitely has a lot of hockey players, there's even a former NHL goalie who was born in Baltimore (I'm not sure about players).
As always, the truth is complicated and can’t be reduced to a single factor. The owners of the Clippers were trying to get an NHL team prior to the team ever joining the AHL. The original six kept playing games concerning the expansion of the league. They kept making changes and demands and then broke promises. The owners had the support of the local government to obtain funding to modify the Civic Center, but wasn’t going to dump money into the deal and then have the NHL pull the football away at the last minute like Lucy in Peanuts. The Clippers joined the AHL which helped force the NHL into expansion. The NHL had no American television contract because the networks did not consider Hockey to be a national sport. The networks wanted West Coast hockey in the NHL. When Baltimore joined the AHL, there were serious talks of the AHL merging with the WHL and becoming a second major league - but the first with west coast and east coast teams. To prove it feasible the leagues played a schedule in 1965 with all teams in both league playing each other in interleague games twice. This terrified the NHL which quickly announced expansion and definitive acceptance of LA and SF into the league and four other cities. There was some bad blood between Baltimore owners and the NHL because of getting the run around for years and the original six owners who hated losing their monopoly. The big surprise was the inclusion of St. Louis which many said was awarded a franchise so to help one owner’s debt problem. Baltimore and Vancouver screamed bloody murder and betrayal but Baltimore kept playing the same for consideration of future expansion. Finally, the league eventually jacked up its expansion and the Clippers owners said no thanks. Expansion of the NHL devastated the strong independent AHL. Try as they may, because the NHL expanded so quickly, the talent of the minors was sucked up leaving seasoned veterans owned by the minors and young inexperienced kids. Because the affiliation agreements changed rapidly during this chaotic time, team rosters dramatically changed every year, hurting the teams’ fan base. In the 1960’s, the city treated the Clippers like they were a major league team. By the early 70s the league’s status obviously had diminished, especially with the World Hockey’s expansion established as a wannabe second major league offering large contracts to players further diluting the talent base. As the league became more and more of a developmental league, the Clippers crowds grew smaller and the team folded.
@@benchkings When the Browns moved, Baltimore was trying to fill the hole of what left over a decade ago. I personally don't see that same hole as a Washingtonian myself. Baltimore is wedge between two big markets with successful teams. I don't see Baltimore using public money for stadiums anymore with more pressing city concerns. I see this as a hard sell.
Baltimore should build a brand-new arena to bring the NHL and bring back the NBA. If that were to happen though, the Capitals and Wizards would have to be compensated.
Baltimore also would have gotten a NHL franchise if it weren’t for the the Chicago Black Hawks insisting that the league put a team in St. Louis. In a deal with James Norris, the Black Hawks’ owner, the new owners of the St. Louis franchise would purchase the St. Louis Arena, which had fallen into bad conditions at the time of purchase, from Norris.
Following the 2022-23 NHL season, John P. McConnell will sell the Blue Jackets to a Baltimore-based ownership group consisting of Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti, Allegis Group co-founder Jim C. Davis, former Orioles slugger Cal Ripken Jr. and his brother Billy, former Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, former WWE wrestler Stacy Keibler and former Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps for $975 million. In the 2023-24 NHL season, the Blue Jackets will relocate to Baltimore after 23 seasons in Columbus to become the Baltimore Colonials and use Royal Farms Arena as their temporary home venue until their new 20,000-seat arena is built at the State Center complex in time for the 2025-26 NHL season.
They're capitals fans already especially after cup win last year. They wouldn't switch. Baltimore is the hood anyway. Capitals would crush them to keep the Baltimore residents caps fans, and seats would be empty. Orioles seats were empty too before they started winning in recent years.
For years DC baseball drove up to see the Orioles, former Redskins owner Edward Bennett Williams made them a regional team, eventually they switched to the Nationals. I remember when the Colts left, nobody up there became Skins fans. They rooted for the CFL team before Modell moved his team there
Having grown up in Baltimore, the Broad Street Bullies were my team! They showed a few Flyers games on TV in Baltimore during that time. WTF are the Capitols? Real Baltimore fans don't root for any team with the name DC! Arizona isn't moving because Betman doesn't want them to. They are bleeding money, and have been forever, yet they are still there. Now look at Atlanta, once trouble came, they went to Winnipeg faster than a Jet! If they do move Houston with it's 4th largest population in the US and their ready for the NHL arena will be the city to get the Coyotes.
Having grown up in Baltimore, the Broad Street Bullies were my team! They showed a few Flyers games on TV in Baltimore during that time. WTF are the Capitols? Real Baltimore fans don't root for any team with the name DC! Arizona isn't moving because Betman doesn't want them to. They are bleeding money, and have been forever, yet they are still there. Now look at Atlanta, once trouble came, they went to Winnipeg faster than a Jet! If they do move Houston with it's 4th largest population in the US and their ready for the NHL arena will be the city to get the Coyotes.
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that wasnt the Baltimore Civic center you showed pictures of for the 67 expansion bit
Your heart was in the right place-- for that, major props for addressing this, but there's more to it. Especially since Baltimore's love for the game has been jaded since the first game played in the city in February 1896.
First, there's not going to be an NHL team in Baltimore unless the Capitals move because they own the territorial rights to the Baltimore area. The Ducks had to pay $50M to the Kings when they came into the league in 1993; if a second Toronto team came in, that figure would be in the Billions. You can assume that the Caps would want a hefty fee. Which, on top of the relocation fee-- which most owners won't give. Since the Nats and O's are have had disputes on TV rights fee, this would be another thing to add to the pile of nope.
You're right on the arena, it's been up since 1962 and has no tenant in it since the Blast moved. I doubt a new arena will happen any time soon because if there was a chance, odds are Kevin Plank (CEO, Under Armour) would have built it already. There's been so many proposals, but nothing to build it since there's no prospects of anything outside of arena football to be played in there due to DC's territorial rights over the area.
Couple of house cleaning things-- the Clippers left in the middle of the 1974-75 season because the WHA came in and then disappeared after the 1974-75 season; the Clippers were never able to regain the popularity in lower leagues. The Skipjacks were successful for a time, but ownership issues, issues with the city, and the Caps were a downfall of them. Also, if you're going to use the logo for the Clippers-- that's a fan made one and not the actual one used for the team
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I believe that Baltimore could definitely support an NHL team even with the caps and flyers. The Baltimore area and the Washington area youth hockey are completely separate. The rivalry between the caps and Baltimore would be amazing much like the O's and Nats and Ravens and Redskins. I've lived in this area my whole life and trust me when I say hockey is growing, every year there seems to be more hockey coming out of our area. I mean Baltimore did have one of the first hockey leagues in the united states in the 1890s with 6 teams from all over the Baltimore area. The rink the league was based out of was actually one of the first if not the first indoor ice rink in the united states. WIthout Baltimore hockey here would not be the same. The sport spread all over the mid-Atlantic and soon connected to the already popular community in Canada. Soon Washington, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlantic City, and New York City fell in love with the game. In the 1967 expansion, Baltimore was awarded a team but did not get one because of the Chicago Blackhawks wanted a rivalry in St Louis and so the blues were born. A few years later when Baltimore was awarded a team yet again and was supposed to have a rink built in Columbia, MD but the plans fell through and so instead they built a rink in Landover, MD and Washington got the team.
its 2023 and the now CFG Bank Arena renovations bring a concert oriented experience but we are getting CAA Basketball games throughout the season
Sadly a group led by Kevin Durant, has decided to renovate the Royal Farms Arena, add luxury boxes, hopefully get rid of that stage and add a few thousand seats
St. Louis was in the 67 expansion
Good video. The greater Baltimore area, separate from metro Washington, has 2.8 million people. Obviously, there is some overlap with Howard and Anne Arundel counties being home to people employed in the Washington metro area, but this does not make Baltimore less attractive.
Only San Diego is a bigger metropolitan area with no pro wintertime sports.
In fact, if you include some of the Eastern Shore and southern Adams and York counties in Pennsylvania, this represents a market of close to 3 million people.
Baltimore needs a new arena. The Maryland Stadium Authority was established to build Camden Yards and M&T Bank Stadium, backed by the lottery. This mechanism can be used to build a new arena.
Next, an ownership group would have to step forward. The Ravens' owner would likely have the wherewithal to be a leading partner.
Next, the NHL would have to decide to expand again. Given that the NHL owners collected $700 million for the Seattle Kraken, and that the Houston Rockets' owners want an NHL team, it is a matter of time before the NHL expands again.
A Baltimore NHL franchise would have instant rivalries with Washington, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. The New York teams are not far and nether is Raleigh, NC.
It makes sense. As for Baltimore being the Capitals' market, Washington has enough people to thrive even with an NHL team in Baltimore.
The St. Louis Blues were founded in the 1967 expansion too. They won the expansion conference the first 3 seasons.
Any new Baltimore arena damn well better have a 200' (NHL length) x 98.5' (IIHF width) rink. Host the Frozen Four, international competitions and curling tournaments for starters. Washington-based Abe Pollin never had any intentions of keeping Bullets in Baltimore. He only honored ten-year lease that expired after the 1972-73 season.
Ottawa isn't moving. But good luck on getting the Clippers/Bullets back.
Bullets are part (bang bang) violence
I vote for Barrons and Crabs for NBA and NHL
I live in Baltimore right now, I started hockey a bit late, when I was a Peewee and I only found out about it in 2018. Now I'm a Bantam, I got my first shutout last season and I started doing much better, from 1-9 losses to usually 4-2 wins. I had the semi-finals in Hersheypark Arena, which was awesome, but failed, it was still a great experience. Baltimore definitely has a lot of hockey players, there's even a former NHL goalie who was born in Baltimore (I'm not sure about players).
Good for you my man! Never to let to throw on the gloves!
BingeBar ™ Hell Yeah, have a good life, I appreciate the video
Look up the Baltimore Banners hockey team
As always, the truth is complicated and can’t be reduced to a single factor. The owners of the Clippers were trying to get an NHL team prior to the team ever joining the AHL. The original six kept playing games concerning the expansion of the league. They kept making changes and demands and then broke promises. The owners had the support of the local government to obtain funding to modify the Civic Center, but wasn’t going to dump money into the deal and then have the NHL pull the football away at the last minute like Lucy in Peanuts. The Clippers joined the AHL which helped force the NHL into expansion. The NHL had no American television contract because the networks did not consider Hockey to be a national sport. The networks wanted West Coast hockey in the NHL. When Baltimore joined the AHL, there were serious talks of the AHL merging with the WHL and becoming a second major league - but the first with west coast and east coast teams. To prove it feasible the leagues played a schedule in 1965 with all teams in both league playing each other in interleague games twice. This terrified the NHL which quickly announced expansion and definitive acceptance of LA and SF into the league and four other cities. There was some bad blood between Baltimore owners and the NHL because of getting the run around for years and the original six owners who hated losing their monopoly. The big surprise was the inclusion of St. Louis which many said was awarded a franchise so to help one owner’s debt problem. Baltimore and Vancouver screamed bloody murder and betrayal but Baltimore kept playing the same for consideration of future expansion. Finally, the league eventually jacked up its expansion and the Clippers owners said no thanks. Expansion of the NHL devastated the strong independent AHL. Try as they may, because the NHL expanded so quickly, the talent of the minors was sucked up leaving seasoned veterans owned by the minors and young inexperienced kids. Because the affiliation agreements changed rapidly during this chaotic time, team rosters dramatically changed every year, hurting the teams’ fan base. In the 1960’s, the city treated the Clippers like they were a major league team. By the early 70s the league’s status obviously had diminished, especially with the World Hockey’s expansion established as a wannabe second major league offering large contracts to players further diluting the talent base. As the league became more and more of a developmental league, the Clippers crowds grew smaller and the team folded.
Baltimore had a WHA team for half a season when the Michigan Stags moved there and they called it the Blades, it was a league owned placeholder teeam
Baltimore is very close to Washington and since Maryland, the numbers were skewed last year. Look at years past to get a tv market.
Could make great rivals though! The market is already there as well!
@@benchkings When the Browns moved, Baltimore was trying to fill the hole of what left over a decade ago. I personally don't see that same hole as a Washingtonian myself. Baltimore is wedge between two big markets with successful teams. I don't see Baltimore using public money for stadiums anymore with more pressing city concerns. I see this as a hard sell.
Washington and Baltimore are brother metro cities in Maryland
I'm a Caps fan born and raised in Baltimore if we ever got a team I wouldn't stop being a Caps fan
Loyalty over royalty
Maryland together, Chesapeake Forever!
Currently the only team in Maryland is the Maryland black bears are junior hockey team who’s only been a team for a year.
Baltimore should build a brand-new arena to bring the NHL and bring back the NBA. If that were to happen though, the Capitals and Wizards would have to be compensated.
Baltimore also would have gotten a NHL franchise if it weren’t for the the Chicago Black Hawks insisting that the league put a team in St. Louis. In a deal with James Norris, the Black Hawks’ owner, the new owners of the St. Louis franchise would purchase the St. Louis Arena, which had fallen into bad conditions at the time of purchase, from Norris.
Following the 2022-23 NHL season, John P. McConnell will sell the Blue Jackets to a Baltimore-based ownership group consisting of Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti, Allegis Group co-founder Jim C. Davis, former Orioles slugger Cal Ripken Jr. and his brother Billy, former Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, former WWE wrestler Stacy Keibler and former Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps for $975 million. In the 2023-24 NHL season, the Blue Jackets will relocate to Baltimore after 23 seasons in Columbus to become the Baltimore Colonials and use Royal Farms Arena as their temporary home venue until their new 20,000-seat arena is built at the State Center complex in time for the 2025-26 NHL season.
It’s too close to DC to get an NHL team. I could see the AHL or ECHL there though
well the nfl and mlb have teams in both cities
There’s much bigger and more lucrative markets than Baltimore the league would choose over Baltimore. Houston probably being top of that list
They're capitals fans already especially after cup win last year. They wouldn't switch. Baltimore is the hood anyway. Capitals would crush them to keep the Baltimore residents caps fans, and seats would be empty. Orioles seats were empty too before they started winning in recent years.
For years DC baseball drove up to see the Orioles, former Redskins owner Edward Bennett Williams made them a regional team, eventually they switched to the Nationals. I remember when the Colts left, nobody up there became Skins fans. They rooted for the CFL team before Modell moved his team there
I don’t know if this could work, the Metropolitan is already so crowded, but it’s always a thought i guess
Having grown up in Baltimore, the Broad Street Bullies were my team! They showed a few Flyers games on TV in Baltimore during that time. WTF are the Capitols? Real Baltimore fans don't root for any team with the name DC!
Arizona isn't moving because Betman doesn't want them to. They are bleeding money, and have been forever, yet they are still there. Now look at Atlanta, once trouble came, they went to Winnipeg faster than a Jet!
If they do move Houston with it's 4th largest population in the US and their ready for the NHL arena will be the city to get the Coyotes.
I heard you the first 2 times.
@@questtech7148 Ok asshole, do you want a medal? I didn't post it three times. Something must have been going on with their comments.
Im a Caps fan so yeah
the Baltimore Spiders . amen inri
Having grown up in Baltimore, the Broad Street Bullies were my team! They showed a few Flyers games on TV in Baltimore during that time. WTF are the Capitols? Real Baltimore fans don't root for any team with the name DC!
Arizona isn't moving because Betman doesn't want them to. They are bleeding money, and have been forever, yet they are still there. Now look at Atlanta, once trouble came, they went to Winnipeg faster than a Jet!
If they do move Houston with it's 4th largest population in the US and their ready for the NHL arena will be the city to get the Coyotes.