The story of the Seattle expansion bid in 1991 is even more fascinating (and, ultimately, heart-breaking) than the 74 bid. There was a plot of land south of the Kingdome that then Sonics owner Barry Ackerley owned. It was expected that he was going to build a shiny new arena there for the Sonics and, eventually, an NHL team. The team that was putting in the bid featured a top Microsoft executive and looked to be more than assured of securing a team. Ackerley even wanted in on it & assigned his son-in-law to represent the family on the bidding team. Well, when the day came to make their presentation to the Board of Governors, the son-in-law entered the room first with the other potential owners sitting outside the room. They didn't think much of it when he asked to speak to them by himself first, but the son-in-law told the BoG that they were withdrawing their bid and left through another door. They literally never saw him again. Poof! Vanished! After a bit, the rest of the potential ownership group entered the room & were told what had just happened. And like that, it was over. Tampa Bay and Ottawa wound up getting those expansion franchises. A couple days later the Ackerley group announced they were going to renovate the Seattle Center Coliseum (which became KeyArena) and make it so it could only host an NBA team. The Ackerley site across from the Kingdome was sold and later became the land where T-Mobile Park is today. Less than 12 years after it opened, the KeyArena was labeled as not good enough and the Sonics moved to Oklahoma City. And today, as I type this, the Coliseum is once again under renovation. This time in order to house the new NHL team...starting 31 years after that entire debacle.
I think that Quebec and Hamilton should get a team each. But not another team in Toronto. If the NHL puts a team in Hamilton, Toronto really doesn't need a second team.
Emmett Rego I’m not in the Milwaukee But it definitely sounds like a natural place for a team. Built in great rivalries: Minnesota wild, Chicago Blackhawks, and Detroit Red wings.
Baltimore was originally granted a franchise for the 67-68 season. They were unable to secure funding for a new arena and had issues finding a owner. That’s when the Wirtz Family stepped in. They owned the St Louis Arena. They wanted to get rid of it so they suggested St Louis get Baltimore’s Franchise. Another point of interest, St Louis Football Cardinal Owner Bill Bidwell was 1st approached to become the teams owner,
Didn't the Cleveland Barons merge with the struggling Minnesota North Stars? And the KC Scouts became the Colorado Rockies and eventually the New Jersey Devils?
The Flames should have moved there a couple of years ago. Houston has a hockey ready building which is better than the condemned building the Flames currently play in.
Well, you might just get your wish. Rockets ownership is very persistent his interest to bring hockey to Houston. Unfortunately it all falls on the NHL, and if they want to go beyond 32 teams once Seattle comes in.
Fun Fact: Even though St. Louis was granted a franchise, Baltimore was still in the running. It came down to Philadelphia and Baltimore and the Flyers ownership group led by then Eagles VP Ed Snider won the NHL over pretty much based on the Philadelphia TV market.
So happy to see you upload I was went to hospital yesterday with a fever I am luckily making a recovery and I’m going to Sweden in two days to say Tampa Vs Buffalo GO BOLT S
I was stationed at Langley Air Force base during the Rhino's expansion bid and was actually hoping for them to succeed just to have a chance to get a jersey even though I am die hard Penguins fan. Loved their logo and still have one of their promotional decals the gave out
@@punklover99 They used to play in the same building as the Bucks, but since the Bucks moved into a new arena The Admirals moved over to sharing an arena with the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee.
Boy was the owner of the Admirals dead wrong! The team is successful. When the boys get sent to Nashville we find Admiral fans hopping on the bandwagon to follow their favorite players! They were even close to winning ( and won) championships. Which is why I'm glad that they're still a feeding team. We already have to deal with St. Louis Chicago and Columbus, we don't need another team to go to war against
Indianapolis in the 70's as an honorable mention. Indy has a rich hockey history for never having an NHL team. Gretzky and Messier for the Racers and Terry Sawchuck learned to drink and womanize with the Indianapolis Capitols.
Adding more NHL to the south and southwestern USA will be great, such as Arizona Coyotes and Vegas Golden Knights, both in the desert. Should add Houston, San Diego, Salt Lake City, and even Albuquerque. Albuquerque is unlikely to get the NHL team in the desert, because of poverty, and the Metropolitan of Albuquerque is not yet to get 1,000,000 people of that area.
Sam Diego has an AHL team their called the "San Diego Gulls" would definitely be nice if the owner of them plans on putting his money towards making it an NHL team in the future or even the NHL stepping in and making it an NHL team
We did have the AHL Admirals here in Norfolk for about a decade. We went from ECHL in 1989 to AHL in 2000 under the Hawks, and now ECHL as of 2015ish and no affiliate. I miss the AHL here.
@@joemckim1183 he would probably have been scooped up by an established NHL team like most of the talent from the WHA. Those 4 teams were screwed royally.
@@Rockhound6165 I was never suggesting he would've never played in the NHL. I was saying if the Stingers became an NHL team they would've owned his rights and he wouldn't have been able to be drafted to the Oilers.
Can't wait for Seattle since I like the Canucks and instant new rival team I hope one of the failing NHL teams maybe move to Houston, Kansas City, Quebec or back to Hartford I hope Ottawa gets an new owner who isn't an asshole and then can attract good players cause you know the players they drafted will either be traded or leave when there contract are up
@Thomas Wittrock Just move Florida(they're fan support is a joke) there like they moved Atlanta to Winnipeg the conferences will still be even and we get the Battle of Quebec back
Well I just got started with my hockey season and Special Olympics and I plan to be a goalie this year and I'm hoping to get a hockey mask with my favorite team in the Nashville Predators on it but I do hope that the Hartford Whalers and the Quebec nordiques comeback along with the Atlanta Thrashers as well as a team in Sacramento and Seattle have a team in San Diego San Antonio or even Baltimore would be cool
@@RandomPerson-gn7fu you got a point on that but I think Quebec City Atlanta and Hartford should get their teams back the reason why I chose Sacramento San Antonio San Diego and Baltimore is there be interesting markets they're doing Las Vegas why not do those cities Milwaukee would be interesting to see to Saskatchewan I'm not sure about I wouldn't mind one in Hamilton
@@rileyholden9152 No, they sold the team due to financial losses. Bottom 3 in attendance for their last 3 seasons losing lots of money in the process. Atlanta will not have an NHL team in the foreseeable future, that is that.
Would love to see San Diego get an expansion team; although the Ducks are just an hour or two drive away. Feel bad how screwed under SD was by the Chargers. Great sports town, who only has the Padres now.
I can't remember if it was 1982 or 1983 the St. Louis Blues were sold to Bill Hunter who was going to move the team to Saskatoon. NHL blocked it and new ownership was found in the St. Louis. If I'm not mistaken the Blues did not participate in the NHL Entry Draft that year. And there was Jim Ballsille. Wasn't he going to move the Penguins to Kitchener-Waterloo, Ont. in the pre-Sidney Crosby years?
2:40 No, no, no. James Norris wasn't owner of the Red Wings at that time. He was part owner of the Blackhawks with Arthur Wirtz. James' brother Bruce Norris was the Detroit owner
Kinda wish that Houston, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati joined the NHL in the WHA merger but still have all the other teams we have now too. See what kinda rivalries come up, see how heated they get.
Agreed, the Houston Aeros, Cincinnati Stingers, and Indianapolis Racers all had pretty decent-sized fanbases back in the WHA era. Also, the Hartford Whalers shouldn't have been moved to Carolina.
I wish Arizona would move to either Milwaukee ( western central with Seattle becoming western pacific as easiest mode ) or Quebec ( Quebec becoming Atlantic and Detroit becoming central ) and or even going to Portland ( Seattle, Colorado and Portland becoming pacific and Calgary and Edmonton moving to Central )
Right! VA NEEDS A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM, it has none. I'm tired of Washington teams DC shouldn't have a freaking the in any sports it's not a state!
Yes, weren't the Penguins close to relocating to Saskatoon in the mid 80's when they were on the financial critical list?...Believe it was the drafting of Mario that basically saved the franchise...
As I think about it maybe it was Hamilton, Ontario that was trying to get the Penguins while Saskatoon were hoping for the Blues relocation...sorry bout that, but I think that's how it went...
I was born in 1961 in Seattle. My dad took us often to the Seattle Totems games. I was a HUGE Totems fan! You can't imagine how excited I was with the Seattle NHL announcement in 1976. I was ecstatic! But you also can't imagine how heartbroken I was when the Seattle Vince Abby NHL deal fell through. I was absolutely devastated. I have been a long suffering Seattle NHL fan until now....
The video only got part of the Milwaukee saga correct. It is true that Lloyd Pettit did not like the expansion draft rules, another reason was the NHL franchise fee of $50 million. Pettit's biggest complaint was that the owners of the San Jose Sharks were given a discounted rate of $35 million as being previous owners, and the Sharks were able to pilfer better players than the expansion draft rules that Milwaukee would have had to utilize.
Why? They (Kansas City) had everything in place and were ready for the Pens to move. Kansas City had (and still has) a new arena, surrounding infrastructure in place, a multi-billionaire owner (Lamar Hunt Jr), strong corporate backing, a large and growing population/sports fan base, strong economy and unlimited potential for growth. I think Kansas City would be an EXCELLENT choice for NHL expansion or, better yet, relocation. When you have a football stadium that seats 77,000 and you fill it regularly with passionate fans, and then across the parking lot have a baseball stadium that seats 40,000 and have no trouble filling it when the Royals are a contender, you have a solid fan base in place. I used to attend Scouts games during the 1970's and though the crowds were in the 7,500 range on average, they did have sellouts and the crowds were climbing toward the end of their run. The Kansas City Missouri politicians and the WHA owners screwed that situation up to the point where it became impossible to operate in the black. Half the teams in the NHL lost MILLIONS during the 1970's and poor attendance in many NHL cities was fairly common, NOT JUST IN KANSAS CITY. Kansas City would be a perfect geographical fit for the NHL's Central Division and would be an excellent stopover city for teams going East and West in order to play games.
@@Chiefsfansince-qb1kt I think the person is glad that the team stayed in Pittsburgh more so then him not wanting KC to get a team. But KC would make for a great expansion city, but the KC fans can just follow the Blues until then.
I agree. I loath Pittsburgh. The Pens' rivalry with the cross-state Flyers is one of the best antagonisms in all of the NHL. Imagine the Kansas City Barbecue taking the ice! Or the Kansas City Steer, or the Kansas City Regals, or the Kansas City MO's...No wonder the Scouts moved, in 1976, to higher elevations in Denver! Besides, Missouri has the St. Louis Blues to support in the heartland.
@@Chiefsfansince-qb1kt I think when the original Winnipeg Jets moved to Phoenix, I think they should have moved to Kansas City instead . Kansas City just like Atlanta and Denver should have been given a second chance at an NHL franchise. I think going from Winnipeg to Phoenix was a mistake.
I've been an avid hockey fan for a lot of years and there were facts here that I was unaware of. On a side note, I do voice over work professionally and would volunteer my services to you if you create any future video's. I don't mean to be critical, the video is quite good but better narration would take it to another level.
It's too similar of a name to the New York Mets. Metropolitans is way too long of a name to not have a nickname and they can't really use the Mets because of the MLB team.
Nhl should abandon putting teams in the southern us. They move teams like Phoenix, Carolina, and Miami to cities in the northeast and midwest. Like KC, Baltimore, and Milwaukee
Uhhhhhh, Carolina moved From Hartford, Arizona moved from Winnipeg. What about Tampa? Colorado moved from Quebec, Dallas moved from Minnesota. Outside of Atlanta, Miami and Phoenix all the moves and expansions have been successful.
@@Papawill13 I understand the history of these teams, but I believe it is better for the growth of the sport and the NHL to saturate northeast midwest and possibly Pacific northwest markets. Carolina has not been a complete success either a couple years ago they had record low attendance. There are select southern cities that have been successful keep those ie. Dallas tampa and LA
@@NA.NA.. To me, the growth of the NHL has been overseas players. I doubt they want to play in Omaha, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, or Salt Lake City. The Northeast is used up outside of Quebec. Once Seattle joins only Portland remains as a viable option, unless you think Spokane, Boise or Reno can support a team. I do agree the South is also used up. Florida makes more Sense in Quebec. 32 Teams is enough for the next 15 years at least, in my humble opinion. NHL needs to keep its wide talent pipeline open for awhile before its add more teams.
Hamilton would be a great place to have an NHL team either through expansion or relocate a struggling team like Florida or Carolina. Its a blue collar town like Pittsburgh and would definitely sell out their games. But of course Buffalo wouldn't approve because a lot of their fan base is from Southern Ontario and there is the territory issue. The team could be called the STEEL CATS.
If the NHL does expand again, I hope they go to Quebec City (Atlantic), Houston (central), Milwaukee (central), and Baltimore (Atlantic). Then put Tampa Bay and Florida in the Metro to make travel easier and put Columbus in the Atlantic to heat a rivalry with Detroit. Then put Arizona back in the pacific.
@@robertfeinberg748 they had the first indoor rink in the usa. They had their own league in the 1890s. Over 6 minor league franchises. Great history but sadly hockey is getting less popular as hockey increases in Washington. Great market. Just my opinion.
Brayden Cranston We got 4 or 5 division championship, A President Trophy, A Eastern Conference Championship and we have a good up and coming young corr of players who will help us get back to being cup contenders in the future, also a team in Hamilton wouldn't work out.
Yes, Tim Hortons Doughnuts owner was the backer there. But the Sabres and the Leafs both objected as being too close to both cities. Ottawa was a compromise candidate
Baltimore was going to get an expansion team except the Baltimore Arena (still standing today) was a horrible arena even by 1967 standards. Terrible ice quality. Very poor seating. Even the Baltimore Bullets basketball team moved to Washington a decade later. Philadelphia had the ownership group + financing to construct a state of the art arena The Spectrum. That's how the Flyers became an expansion team.
Seattle is cool.. but milwaukee would be so rad. (Controversial opinion warming!!!) the golden knights and the kraken both have ridiculous names, tired colors, ECHL tier logos, and almost identical uniforms. Im from vegas dude and i swear its like a giant slap in the face you can tell it was all about money they couldnt give a fuck less about hockey fans. With that giant advertisement they call an arena the sky is the limit!
@@elizabethsemarge4800 Honestly i dont know i live out in the country but i know Fredericksburg has the minor league team for the Nationals so maybe Fredericksburg i guess
The story of the Seattle expansion bid in 1991 is even more fascinating (and, ultimately, heart-breaking) than the 74 bid. There was a plot of land south of the Kingdome that then Sonics owner Barry Ackerley owned. It was expected that he was going to build a shiny new arena there for the Sonics and, eventually, an NHL team. The team that was putting in the bid featured a top Microsoft executive and looked to be more than assured of securing a team. Ackerley even wanted in on it & assigned his son-in-law to represent the family on the bidding team. Well, when the day came to make their presentation to the Board of Governors, the son-in-law entered the room first with the other potential owners sitting outside the room. They didn't think much of it when he asked to speak to them by himself first, but the son-in-law told the BoG that they were withdrawing their bid and left through another door. They literally never saw him again. Poof! Vanished! After a bit, the rest of the potential ownership group entered the room & were told what had just happened. And like that, it was over. Tampa Bay and Ottawa wound up getting those expansion franchises. A couple days later the Ackerley group announced they were going to renovate the Seattle Center Coliseum (which became KeyArena) and make it so it could only host an NBA team. The Ackerley site across from the Kingdome was sold and later became the land where T-Mobile Park is today. Less than 12 years after it opened, the KeyArena was labeled as not good enough and the Sonics moved to Oklahoma City. And today, as I type this, the Coliseum is once again under renovation. This time in order to house the new NHL team...starting 31 years after that entire debacle.
I like this video, but would have loved to see stuff about Canadian expansion attempts in Quebec, Hamilton, Saskatchewan and a second Toronto team
I think that Quebec and Hamilton should get a team each. But not another team in Toronto. If the NHL puts a team in Hamilton, Toronto really doesn't need a second team.
Saskatchewan was the closest, as the Blues plan to move to Saskatoon in 1983 was stopped at the last second
We need a Part 2!
I want a Wisconsin team
@@glover524that area is pretty much hawks territory, there's always the admirals
Seattle's team should be called the Geese, and their logo should be an angry Canada goose biting a guy.
Steel Republic I wish! it's a shame no pro team is named after geese!
@@petec9201 Rochester Honkers ...not a pro team but a college summer league baseball team... but a good name nonetheless
Steel Republic
biting stick
Rain City Bitch Pidgeons
Unnamed NHL team
Milwaukee would be a great place for NHL hockey!
Emmett Rego I’m not in the Milwaukee But it definitely sounds like a natural place for a team. Built in great rivalries: Minnesota wild, Chicago Blackhawks, and Detroit Red wings.
I wish we had pro
@@stevew3879 St. Louis Blues also
Yea but i doubt the league goes over 32 teams.
@@Erlov71 Realistically probably won't expand again for another 10-15 years.
I recall back in the 1980s the St. Louis Blues were giving serious consideration to moving to Saskatoon.
There's even a logo with "Saskatoon" in the Blues logo.
The Cleveland Barons were originally the California Golden Seals that eventually merged with the Minnesota North Stars (now the Dallas Stars)
Seals didn't make it to Dallas with the north stars, they split to become the Sharks
The Cleveland barons were actually an NHL team before they became the lake Erie monsters
Baltimore was originally granted a franchise for the 67-68 season. They were unable to secure funding for a new arena and had issues finding a owner. That’s when the Wirtz Family stepped in. They owned the St Louis Arena. They wanted to get rid of it so they suggested St Louis get Baltimore’s Franchise. Another point of interest, St Louis Football Cardinal Owner Bill Bidwell was 1st approached to become the teams owner,
Didn't the Cleveland Barons merge with the struggling Minnesota North Stars? And the KC Scouts became the Colorado Rockies and eventually the New Jersey Devils?
Yes
They did
I always wanted Houston to be in the NHL
se03kazana it’ll happen one day
@@brooke-3615 I hope so, I miss the aeros, and I'm not from Houston
What... I had no idea the Houston Aeros moved. Then again, I don't really follow AHL play at all.
The Flames should have moved there a couple of years ago. Houston has a hockey ready building which is better than the condemned building the Flames currently play in.
Well, you might just get your wish. Rockets ownership is very persistent his interest to bring hockey to Houston. Unfortunately it all falls on the NHL, and if they want to go beyond 32 teams once Seattle comes in.
Fun Fact: Even though St. Louis was granted a franchise, Baltimore was still in the running. It came down to Philadelphia and Baltimore and the Flyers ownership group led by then Eagles VP Ed Snider won the NHL over pretty much based on the Philadelphia TV market.
The HABS almost move to Cleveland in the 1930's
JLN 62 I wish
That would be terrible.
The Cleveland Canadiens ?
Thank god
Would've never happened for a few reasons
OOOOO BABY cant wait for a Seattle game. Like I live in Spokane sooo gotta see one
chocolate milk aye im from Coeur D Alene
I went to sooo many chiefs games lol
I lived in lewiston idaho a couple of years ago
"Like I live in Spokane" , , , Your "Like" is not needed
Your stupid ass liberal state will find some reason to protest it, wouldn't get comfortable
Are you a robot? You sound normal at first but you. Emphasize. The. Ending. Of. Each. Sentence. In a. Mono. Tone.
I guess I'm not the only one that feels like her voice is stabbing my ears.
@@dennisburke199 You. Aren't the. Only. One who. Noticed. That?
very odd indeed
Sorry - NOT.. A. FAN.
It’s like Aubrey Plaza if she was Bill Shatner’s daughter
So happy to see you upload I was went to hospital yesterday with a fever
I am luckily making a recovery and I’m going to Sweden in two days to say Tampa Vs Buffalo GO BOLT S
Glad to hear you're feeling better! 😃
I was stationed at Langley Air Force base during the Rhino's expansion bid and was actually hoping for them to succeed just to have a chance to get a jersey even though I am die hard Penguins fan. Loved their logo and still have one of their promotional decals the gave out
I really think Wisconsin would be a great place for a team
You'd have built in rivals: Minnesota, Chicago, St. Louis, and crossover eastern conference rival in Detroit.
Yep, the mighty cheese of Wisconsin👍
They already have an ahl team and they play in the same building as the bucks
Wisconsin: smell the dairy air
@@punklover99 They used to play in the same building as the Bucks, but since the Bucks moved into a new arena The Admirals moved over to sharing an arena with the University of Wisconsin Milwaukee.
Did you know that Oklahoma City was part of the expansion bids for 1997 but was rejected at the last minute. Have you noticed that Alyssa Hope?
Boy was the owner of the Admirals dead wrong! The team is successful. When the boys get sent to Nashville we find Admiral fans hopping on the bandwagon to follow their favorite players! They were even close to winning ( and won) championships. Which is why I'm glad that they're still a feeding team. We already have to deal with St. Louis Chicago and Columbus, we don't need another team to go to war against
Indianapolis in the 70's as an honorable mention. Indy has a rich hockey history for never having an NHL team. Gretzky and Messier for the Racers and Terry Sawchuck learned to drink and womanize with the Indianapolis Capitols.
Adding more NHL to the south and southwestern USA will be great, such as Arizona Coyotes and Vegas Golden Knights, both in the desert. Should add Houston, San Diego, Salt Lake City, and even Albuquerque. Albuquerque is unlikely to get the NHL team in the desert, because of poverty, and the Metropolitan of Albuquerque is not yet to get 1,000,000 people of that area.
Sam Diego has an AHL team their called the "San Diego Gulls" would definitely be nice if the owner of them plans on putting his money towards making it an NHL team in the future or even the NHL stepping in and making it an NHL team
The Coyotes are an utter joke that needs to move. The fact that they now play in a 4,000 seat college arena is a disgrace.
I had no idea about most of these. Awesome video!!
We did have the AHL Admirals here in Norfolk for about a decade. We went from ECHL in 1989 to AHL in 2000 under the Hawks, and now ECHL as of 2015ish and no affiliate. I miss the AHL here.
AHL was also in Richmond, which has a better arena than Balto.
Very informative, I enjoyed that. Thank you.
Still can’t believe the Cincinnati Stingers almost got a spot in the WHA merger but were booted out near the end. Oh well
Mark Messier played with the Stingers briefly, if they merged into the NHL he probably wouldn't have played for the Oilers.
@@joemckim1183 he would probably have been scooped up by an established NHL team like most of the talent from the WHA. Those 4 teams were screwed royally.
The Birmingham Bulls were also in the final 6.
@@Rockhound6165 I was never suggesting he would've never played in the NHL. I was saying if the Stingers became an NHL team they would've owned his rights and he wouldn't have been able to be drafted to the Oilers.
@@joemckim1183 where did I imply he would have never played in the NHL. Quote where I said that.
Is the comment done with a speech synthesis app ? Certainly sounds that way.
Can't wait for Seattle since I like the Canucks and instant new rival team
I hope one of the failing NHL teams maybe move to Houston, Kansas City, Quebec or back to Hartford
I hope Ottawa gets an new owner who isn't an asshole and then can attract good players cause you know the players they drafted will either be traded or leave when there contract are up
@Thomas Wittrock Just move Florida(they're fan support is a joke) there like they moved Atlanta to Winnipeg the conferences will still be even and we get the Battle of Quebec back
Well I just got started with my hockey season and Special Olympics and I plan to be a goalie this year and I'm hoping to get a hockey mask with my favorite team in the Nashville Predators on it but I do hope that the Hartford Whalers and the Quebec nordiques comeback along with the Atlanta Thrashers as well as a team in Sacramento and Seattle have a team in San Diego San Antonio or even Baltimore would be cool
Riley Holden they don’t need 4 California teams a team in Milwaukee or Saskatchewan would be wayyyyy better
@@RandomPerson-gn7fu you got a point on that but I think Quebec City Atlanta and Hartford should get their teams back the reason why I chose Sacramento San Antonio San Diego and Baltimore is there be interesting markets they're doing Las Vegas why not do those cities Milwaukee would be interesting to see to Saskatchewan I'm not sure about I wouldn't mind one in Hamilton
Atlanta had two shots of having a team. There is NO way in hell they will get another one
@@weapon6192 their second team got stolen
@@rileyholden9152 No, they sold the team due to financial losses. Bottom 3 in attendance for their last 3 seasons losing lots of money in the process. Atlanta will not have an NHL team in the foreseeable future, that is that.
Would love to see San Diego get an expansion team; although the Ducks are just an hour or two drive away. Feel bad how screwed under SD was by the Chargers. Great sports town, who only has the Padres now.
Bring back the Mariners!
I can't remember if it was 1982 or 1983 the St. Louis Blues were sold to Bill Hunter who was going to move the team to Saskatoon. NHL blocked it and new ownership was found in the St. Louis. If I'm not mistaken the Blues did not participate in the NHL Entry Draft that year. And there was Jim Ballsille. Wasn't he going to move the Penguins to Kitchener-Waterloo, Ont. in the pre-Sidney Crosby years?
2:40 No, no, no. James Norris wasn't owner of the Red Wings at that time. He was part owner of the Blackhawks with Arthur Wirtz. James' brother Bruce Norris was the Detroit owner
Kinda wish that Houston, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati joined the NHL in the WHA merger but still have all the other teams we have now too.
See what kinda rivalries come up, see how heated they get.
Agreed, the Houston Aeros, Cincinnati Stingers, and Indianapolis Racers all had pretty decent-sized fanbases back in the WHA era. Also, the Hartford Whalers shouldn't have been moved to Carolina.
Enjoy your content…keep up the great work!
When the Whalers were looking to relocated then-owner Peter Karmanos considered Hampton Road before deciding on Raleigh
Did you have a stroke just before narrating this?
3:48 Again, no, no, no! Vince Abbey was involved with the WESTERN Hockey LEAGUE not the WORLD Hockey ASSOCIATION. Get your facts straight
Behold the Kraken is Unleashed
Either the Rhinos stole the sharks logo or vice versa. They're practically identical.
Uhh.... Saskatoon was closer too getting a team then Baltimore. Blues where supposed to come
You left out Hamilton, Ontario. They came so close a couple times. Even had enough season tickets sold before they were awarded a franchise.
@@willzimjohn hamilton would have whooped Toronto had they gotten a team
It was thought Hamilton was a sure bet for expansion in 1990-1, but the team went to Ottawa instead...to the surprise of everyone.
@@goldenretriever6261 if that was the case Hamilton would be my team even over the Canucks. I'm from Vancouver but I root for the Hamilton tiger cats
I agree. Hamilton can support an NHL team way more than Ottawa.
Canada should just have a bag of milk😂
I wish Arizona would move to either Milwaukee ( western central with Seattle becoming western pacific as easiest mode ) or Quebec ( Quebec becoming Atlantic and Detroit becoming central ) and or even going to Portland ( Seattle, Colorado and Portland becoming pacific and Calgary and Edmonton moving to Central )
That would be quite awesome.
The Hampton Roads area already had professional hockey at the ECHL level.
yeah.... "professional" hockey
Connor Wallace it is professional hockey. Third best league in NA
And the team used to be AHL before Anaheim moved their AHL to San Deigo
Bro if the Hampton roads thing actually happened, that would be my favorite team tbh
Right! VA NEEDS A PROFESSIONAL SPORTS TEAM, it has none. I'm tired of Washington teams DC shouldn't have a freaking the in any sports it's not a state!
I live in Vancouver so it would be nice for a new rival
Alaska needs a team
I heard that Montreal had an NHL team once.
First off, this video reminded me that the Avalanche were almost the Rocky Mountain Extreme. Also, we need hockey back in Quebec.
No we don't
You missed Saskatoon SK on this list.
Yes, weren't the Penguins close to relocating to Saskatoon in the mid 80's when they were on the financial critical list?...Believe it was the drafting of Mario that basically saved the franchise...
@@Lumpy63 the blues
As I think about it maybe it was Hamilton, Ontario that was trying to get the Penguins while Saskatoon were hoping for the Blues relocation...sorry bout that, but I think that's how it went...
@@Lumpy63 yea the blues were close to moving there
Wild Bill Hunter nearly relocated the Blues to Saskatoon.
Hampton Roads Rhinos Seattle Kraken Kansas City Scouts Blatimore Bandits make it happened NHL
I'm From Virginia and I'm dying for a professional hockey team to come home!
Very interesting information......thank you.
The team I've always rooted for has been the Blues. That team could have been here in Baltimore.
Weird how that works.
1:30 how fast do you think I can read?
I was born in 1961 in Seattle. My dad took us often to the Seattle Totems games. I was a HUGE Totems fan! You can't imagine how excited I was with the Seattle NHL announcement in 1976. I was ecstatic! But you also can't imagine how heartbroken I was when the Seattle Vince Abby NHL deal fell through. I was absolutely devastated. I have been a long suffering Seattle NHL fan until now....
The video only got part of the Milwaukee saga correct. It is true that Lloyd Pettit did not like the expansion draft rules, another reason was the NHL franchise fee of $50 million. Pettit's biggest complaint was that the owners of the San Jose Sharks were given a discounted rate of $35 million as being previous owners, and the Sharks were able to pilfer better players than the expansion draft rules that Milwaukee would have had to utilize.
More like the Sharks deal was more like a de-merger of the Cleveland Barons-Minnesota North Stars merger of the 1970s.
Baltimore was squeezed out by Philly before it was squeezed out by Washington. Ultimately it couldn't even keep its AHL team, which moved to Maine.
Why does the shark logo look so closely like that rhino team logo?
Would also like to add that before hurricane Katrina, they would looking to move to OKC
What does a hurricane in New Orleans have to do with OKC
@@punklover99 the hurricane forced the hornets to move to okc
2:16 I always watch that cid
Im so glad the pens didnt go to kansas city
Why? They (Kansas City) had everything in place and were ready for the Pens to move. Kansas City had (and still has) a new arena, surrounding infrastructure in place, a multi-billionaire owner (Lamar Hunt Jr), strong corporate backing, a large and growing population/sports fan base, strong economy and unlimited potential for growth. I think Kansas City would be an EXCELLENT choice for NHL expansion or, better yet, relocation. When you have a football stadium that seats 77,000 and you fill it regularly with passionate fans, and then across the parking lot have a baseball stadium that seats 40,000 and have no trouble filling it when the Royals are a contender, you have a solid fan base in place. I used to attend Scouts games during the 1970's and though the crowds were in the 7,500 range on average, they did have sellouts and the crowds were climbing toward the end of their run. The Kansas City Missouri politicians and the WHA owners screwed that situation up to the point where it became impossible to operate in the black. Half the teams in the NHL lost MILLIONS during the 1970's and poor attendance in many NHL cities was fairly common, NOT JUST IN KANSAS CITY. Kansas City would be a perfect geographical fit for the NHL's Central Division and would be an excellent stopover city for teams going East and West in order to play games.
@@Chiefsfansince-qb1kt I think the person is glad that the team stayed in Pittsburgh more so then him not wanting KC to get a team. But KC would make for a great expansion city, but the KC fans can just follow the Blues until then.
I agree. I loath Pittsburgh. The Pens' rivalry with the cross-state Flyers is one of the best antagonisms in all of the NHL. Imagine the Kansas City Barbecue taking the ice! Or the Kansas City Steer, or the Kansas City Regals, or the Kansas City MO's...No wonder the Scouts moved, in 1976, to higher elevations in Denver! Besides, Missouri has the St. Louis Blues to support in the heartland.
@@Chiefsfansince-qb1kt I think when the original Winnipeg Jets moved to Phoenix, I think they should have moved to Kansas City instead . Kansas City just like Atlanta and Denver should have been given a second chance at an NHL franchise. I think going from Winnipeg to Phoenix was a mistake.
Kansas City would make an excellent rivalry with the St. Louis Blues.
Currently living in Hamilton Ontario Canada it would be cool to have a NHL team here
I've been an avid hockey fan for a lot of years and there were facts here that I was unaware of. On a side note, I do voice over work professionally and would volunteer my services to you if you create any future video's. I don't mean to be critical, the video is quite good but better narration would take it to another level.
Seattle should be called the Metropolitans in honor of the first American team to win the Stanley cup.
It's too similar of a name to the New York Mets. Metropolitans is way too long of a name to not have a nickname and they can't really use the Mets because of the MLB team.
Milwaukee almost had the Blackhawks. Milwaukee deserves an NHL franchise!
Seattle should have named their hockey team the Hipsters because... Well... Seattle Hipsters... Best mascot ever.
Buckstars?
What would be their mascot? Some beta male with a farkakteh beard, sunglasses, and a man bun?
I would give anything to have an nail team in Baltimore or even a Ahl team
Nhl should abandon putting teams in the southern us. They move teams like Phoenix, Carolina, and Miami to cities in the northeast and midwest. Like KC, Baltimore, and Milwaukee
Uhhhhhh, Carolina moved From Hartford, Arizona moved from Winnipeg. What about Tampa? Colorado moved from Quebec, Dallas moved from Minnesota. Outside of Atlanta, Miami and Phoenix all the moves and expansions have been successful.
@@Papawill13 I understand the history of these teams, but I believe it is better for the growth of the sport and the NHL to saturate northeast midwest and possibly Pacific northwest markets. Carolina has not been a complete success either a couple years ago they had record low attendance. There are select southern cities that have been successful keep those ie. Dallas tampa and LA
N/A N/A have you seen Carolina lately! They aren’t moving anytime soon.
@@NA.NA.. To me, the growth of the NHL has been overseas players. I doubt they want to play in Omaha, Kansas City, Oklahoma City, or Salt Lake City. The Northeast is used up outside of Quebec. Once Seattle joins only Portland remains as a viable option, unless you think Spokane, Boise or Reno can support a team.
I do agree the South is also used up. Florida makes more Sense in Quebec.
32 Teams is enough for the next 15 years at least, in my humble opinion. NHL needs to keep its wide talent pipeline open for awhile before its add more teams.
@@sonofcoal2897 Truth be told, Lately they look like the old Canes...
I like Rhockey, Can't even explain it, but it's not bad lol.
There are 7 and a half billion people in the world but they can't find anyone to narrate the clip ?
clevland barons i love those uniforms, the barons are now the Dallas Stars
The NHL needs fewer southern city teams and more northern city teams.
Not for nothing but the Predators are one of the more successful franchises in the league.
At Cleveland and Milwaukee have ahl teams
I found Aunt Robins TH-cam channel
Hamilton would be a great place to have an NHL team either through expansion or relocate a struggling team like Florida or Carolina. Its a blue collar town like Pittsburgh and would definitely sell out their games. But of course Buffalo wouldn't approve because a lot of their fan base is from Southern Ontario and there is the territory issue. The team could be called the STEEL CATS.
If the NHL does expand again, I hope they go to Quebec City (Atlantic), Houston (central), Milwaukee (central), and Baltimore (Atlantic). Then put Tampa Bay and Florida in the Metro to make travel easier and put Columbus in the Atlantic to heat a rivalry with Detroit. Then put Arizona back in the pacific.
Not Baltimore.
@@robertfeinberg748 they had the first indoor rink in the usa. They had their own league in the 1890s. Over 6 minor league franchises. Great history but sadly hockey is getting less popular as hockey increases in Washington. Great market. Just my opinion.
Hamilton, Ontario almost got a team but the NHL went to Ottawa instead
And look where the senators are now, the hammer should've gotten it
Brayden Cranston We got 4 or 5 division championship, A President Trophy, A Eastern Conference Championship and we have a good up and coming young corr of players who will help us get back to being cup contenders in the future, also a team in Hamilton wouldn't work out.
And can't forget how the Coyotes almost moved to Hamilton too
Yes, Tim Hortons Doughnuts owner was the backer there. But the Sabres and the Leafs both objected as being too close to both cities. Ottawa was a compromise candidate
@@vithursan.b Also Nashville
How about the Columbus Xploreres?
Is Totems going to be the name of the Seattle team coming up or will it be a different name altogether?
We do not know. I am guessing it will be announced during the next All Star game or Entry Draft.
99codemister Probably the all star game
Still to be decided, probably after New Year's Day 2020. But Totems is among the candidates
sucks we couldn't land the Rhinos
And now they have Kraken
Totems are gonna happen!! Woop
Can't forget Hamilton, Ont.!
I still think Cleveland and Milwaukee would make fine NHL cities
The CLEVELAND Barons failed.
JSivco3 Sivco yep 40 years ago in an arena that was way out in BFE. Today isn’t a comparable situation.
Cleveland would probably do well there ahl team the Cleveland Monsters do pretty good on attendance
You forgot Saskatoon in 1983
Bring back Quebec Nordique
...et la ville de Québec?
Seattle 2021!! Yes!!!!
When the fuck is Greatest Hate Part 2 coming out? This video was good tho.
0:58 why minecraft? Lol
Saskatoon would be perfect but we don't have enough people in our city
Put a Team half way between Regina and Saskatoon and call them the Saskatchewan Ice-Riders lol
Seattle actually will be a team in 2021 or 2022 due to covid-19
I wonder when Ottawa will get a good NHL owner...
Well Seattle happened
Jacksonville needs a team
Baltimore was going to get an expansion team except the Baltimore Arena (still standing today) was a horrible arena even by 1967 standards. Terrible ice quality. Very poor seating. Even the Baltimore Bullets basketball team moved to Washington a decade later.
Philadelphia had the ownership group + financing to construct a state of the art arena The Spectrum. That's how the Flyers became an expansion team.
I want you want to have an NHL team to be called New Orleans Chill
New Orleans needs a team
Seattle is cool.. but milwaukee would be so rad. (Controversial opinion warming!!!) the golden knights and the kraken both have ridiculous names, tired colors, ECHL tier logos, and almost identical uniforms. Im from vegas dude and i swear its like a giant slap in the face you can tell it was all about money they couldnt give a fuck less about hockey fans. With that giant advertisement they call an arena the sky is the limit!
I live in Virginia I wouldn't mine VA having a team in the future even through im a Die Hard Ducks and Capitals fan.
So what city gets the team. There are 8 million people in Virginia, the closet big city is DC. It just makes sense for VA NOT have a team
@@elizabethsemarge4800 Honestly i dont know i live out in the country but i know Fredericksburg has the minor league team for the Nationals so maybe Fredericksburg i guess
Milwaukee would do better than Phoenix, Sunrise and Raleigh, that's for sure
Nah phoenix is the better city if they built an actual stadium in phoenix, close to 5 million people live in the phoenix metropolitan area.
@@steve1583 The current arean is located in Glendale Arizona population 200,000 and its only 9 miles from Downtown Phoenix
@@rajivunome I know I live in phoenix the problem is traffic man it literally takes an hour and a half to go 9 miles.
Watch for hockey, leave the commentator alone