Why India Need Nuclear Attack Submarine & why US and UK wont Give It to India? | World Affairs
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ต.ค. 2024
- Washington appears to have decided that the best military choice at the moment is to rely on a Cold War-type coalition, with its most trusted allies at its centre.
As a result, it has announced the AUK US trilateral security accord, a US-UK-Australian military partnership to fight China's increasing threat in the Indo-Pacific. The US and the UK will enable Australia to design and build up to eight nuclear-powered attack submarines, which is the high point of AUK US. It did, however, cause tensions between Australia and France.Because , Australia has pulled out of a $40 billion contract inked in 2016 with France to provide submarines to the Australia.
In this partnership The United States and UK will transfer naval nuclear-propulsion technology to Australia. Such a move represents a significant policy shift for the United States, which has previously gone to great lengths to prevent the transfer of naval reactor technology to other countries, with the exception of its World War II ally, the United Kingdom.
the US won’t give India nuclear submarines
Indian Navy chiefs and naval veterans have raised the prospect of Indo-US collaboration on nuclear reactor propulsion technology but their American counterparts have respectfully declined.
The US, with over 70 operational nuclear submarines, has more nuclear submarines than Russia, France and UK put together .Indian officials began discussing the possibility of buying or leasing US SSNs but the US show no commitment to a stable defence relationship by leasing a few Los Angeles-class SSNs to India
This request might have sounded out of place considering that India already operates nuclear submarines-becoming the world’s sixth country to do so when it commissioned the INS Arihant in 2016
But , However, The Arihant, is an SSBN (nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine) , a slow-moving ‘bomber’ and a stealthy launch platform for nuclear weapons But ,What the Indian navy wants are SSNs
The Arihant and three more SSBNs under construction are part of the Strategic Forces Command.
Now , if we look at the relationship between US-UK-Australia is very different from that with India, neither Washington nor London is likely to easily hand over any technology to India.
some years ago Britain said to India that - What You are asking us for the kind of technology we don’t give to even our closest allies,
Both US and UK have far greater technology, and the reactors of its latest submarines don’t need to be fueled for their lifetime, whereas the Arihant will have to be taken to a drydock, cut open, and refueled every six to seven years
US N-subs use the most sophisticated nuclear reactors. The newest Virginia class SSNs for instance have reactors that use bomb-grade uranium (U-235 enriched to over 90 %). They are designed to operate for 33 years without refuelling
With India ,The US has consistently refused to discuss any possibility of parting with knowhow on naval nuclear reactors
This has happened in past also. India developed its launch rockets & missiles on its own when it was denied technology. Now they are launching satellites at lower cost 😊
And they will still launching. Good example with Indians in NASA?
@@vasianeokleous3985 you do realise Indians only comprise less than 1% of the workforce in NASA ? that's a outdated metric
@@magicmagus1459 I bet he's unemployed or works in a mass recruiter
God forbid these guys actually make it out of the country , giving bad rep about us Indians
@@arghya4NE Few years ago NASA have 60% of Indian Engineers. I don't need to tell you what happen there, you can make your research.
@@arghya4NE workforce counts all workers, like technicians and helpers but top scientists and engineers are indians, like the dude who designed mars copter, he was the man behind first powered flight on another planet.
ISRO is a great example of India, India has the potential to build it's own nuclear submarines...eg INS Arihant.... Nuclear attack submarine will also be built soon....
India has already built one and has inducted the same too, and is currently working on another nuclear powered sumbarine, he needs a fact check !
@@curiouslycurious10 The indian sub is inferior in all respects. Nowhere near the western ones.
@@MrJonbelt on the basis of what ?
@@curiouslycurious10 The US subs are SSN while the Indians is SSBN. Its like iphone vs a cheap phone.
@@MrJonbelt You seem to be a funny person, just replying to every comment for no reason.
Indian subs may be inferior, but let me tell you that the Chinese Subs are much more inferior.
Russia helped India with technology. Indian subs are at par with the Russian subs. Though the USSR subs were of much inferior quality than the US subs but there has been a long time since the USSR has dissolved and Russia has also mastered the technology of producing nuclear subs. The Russian subs have not experienced any accident due to nuclear reactor(The 2000 kursk disaster was due to faulty torpedo and not reactor). I admit that the US submarines are much norr advanced than the Russian ones, but that does not mean that the US can stop India from producing SSNs. India is asking help from the US because it's always better to have submarines with better technology. Even if the US declines (which it will), India has nothinh to worry about, because Chinese subs quality are much more inferior than Russian(indian) ones and our competition is with China and not the US.
The US can only delay Indias success, it can never stop it.
The UsSdeclined the sale of cryogenic engines to India in 1990s and even stopped Russia from doing so. What was the result? India made its own cryogenic engine after few years. The same will happen for SSNs, since the US has declined its ToT, India will make its own.
US wants India to be an ally of US in Indo Pacific, but US never wants India to rule the Indian Ocean. Let's see how long they can limit an expanding India
Exactly. In 1974 we tried to test nuclear weapon, but US intelligence CIA found us doing that and threatened us to put ban on us. But we showed them in 1988. How we tested our own indigenously made nuclear weapon by fooling their so called most powerful intelligence on the earth, CIA😆😆. They should not forget that we r not like their previous allies. We r not dependent on either US, nor UK nor China. Everything always has options, and we also have. So it's better for the US, China and UK to just wait and watch, how India will cross u all and reach at the top, without ur single support. "Tum rock ka mafik khada rahega, aur hum chuho ki tara tumhe kutus kutus karke kaat ke chala jayga."
JAI HIND
@@saptarshimondal9028 In 1974, didn’t Nixon and Kissinger joke about bombing India on one of his tapes. They sent a fleet to show force as I recall.
@@ag4eng before that in 1971 us also send 7th fleet to help pakistan but Russia send nuclear power submarine bcz of that us retreated at that time .
US current leader biden don't have guts to play with china , biden leave 80 billion worth of weapons in Afghanistan ....
At least trump can retaliate and take harsh decision against terrorism .....
@@saptarshimondal9028 1974 india didnt "try" to detonate nuclear weapon but actually detonated bomb in a project named laughing buddha. in 1995 india under narashima rao returned to nuclear test...almost.... but didnt proceed due intelligence breech. it was placed on hold till more secrecy can achieved. in 1999 , india was finally ready ....and detonated nuclear weapon in 1999
More like we dont want a war between nuclear armed Pakistan and India. India given significant help by the West would certainly use that advantage and even if they did not Pakistan would certainly become hostile, possibly enough so to help Iran acquire nuclear weapons and give even more support to terrorists. Another factor is India is usually considered a fair weather friend and switches alliances quickly and often. The closer India is to Russia, the further it distances itself from the West.
Alright, India will get it from Russia/France/ by ourselves
We can build it ourselves
Technology's can be stolen too easily.
@@neilstern1694 yeah correct
We can build ourselves... No one gave us super computer... No one gave nuclear capabilities... No one helped in space missions rockets... We did it on our own.. we can do it as well .....
@Avronil Basu there are certain things that has to developed by own.
India should learn certain things from its foe China, self reliance is the only answer not matter how we do it. Greenfield projects or Reverse engineering, it's time India should try things, explore all possibilities but not to stop anywhere.
Great said
India is going atamnirbhar
Yup 100 percent true
We are capable of building nuclear weapon , so INDIA should build 100s of assets and take the number to 1000s(like USA) , then you not need nuclear submarines as so much of missiles are not intersepted by anti defense system of any country.
@@lakshaysaini5726 you have no idea of what you're talking about
We need to become aatmanirbhar, Increase the budget on RandD, we might able to build SSAN type submarine. India have the potential.
yes potential to boast in comment section....advanced countries are much more thoughtful and objective while indians declare they are the best in comment section...in comment section, india is #1 in everything and there are zero problems..
@@magicmagus1459 after your comment I read comments of this video and some previous videos , most of them are focusing on where India is lacking, they are telling about what India need to do to became self reliant, they are telling about the potential of India, even some are critical and unstained with Indias performance and want more work, but not a once I see any one claiming India is number 1, nor I said such words, means even if anyone have said it( that person is definately living in fools paradise) but the way you are presenting don't match with the thing which I tries to analyse. I don't know what's problem with you, but get well soon ! Don't make some random stories to show Indians down to satisfy your personal biasedness.
@@lordsullivan4368 clearly u cant read much and dont know english well considering some of ur strange word choices...most of the comments are just chest thumping and boasting, go see any video about india on YT...this will soon be a problem and we can already see it happening..the more uneducated ppl get access to free internet and do more boasting, they choose to ignore the realities facing everyday common man...soon they wont be able to know right from wrong because they will listen to only news that blindly praises india...u can tell this is happening because the only news channels that get views praises india blindly without regard to facts or reality...this will inevitably lead to downfall of india...even most advanced countries choose to be humble and constantly work harder than boast in comment sections
@@magicmagus1459 yeah I don't know much about English I am still in learning phase, because my mother tongue is Marathi and I am good in that, but I can definately read English, and definately can understand what people are writing, You are just random hatter who is making situation to create perspective that Indians are doing chest thumping, Indians are not humble etc. And definately comment section is not having such comments rather they are suggesting how to make India self reliant. We know our strong and weak point, don't worry about India, just get rid of your prejudice
@@magicmagus1459
To be fair India has a great untapped potential you cant deny it
Indian government is far more thoughtful and objective
I am pretty sure world government doesnt judge a country based on some comment section if u truly want to see India's potential go ahead have a meet with the Indian diplomatic team maybe
You'll get an idea
Irrespective of the cost, India should collaborate with France on SSN.
That would be an expensive waste of time, France was years behind in even starting the sub project for Australia and their projected costs skyrocketed, that is why they lost the deal. Look how slow France was in delivery of Rafale and over projected costs for India.
@@deanfirnatine7814 but they have the required tech
@@deanfirnatine7814
Actually Rafael is a big scam and even former France PM also admitted it.
India creates its own unilateral security - FUKUSA. guess the 4 countries :-)
@@24638 there is no such scam, if we estimate to build a house under 50 lakh it will definitely go more than 60 to 70 lakh depends on various factors, that's not scam.
US is not an ally of India it's just a partner.....we will develop it on our own......
what develop? just tell indian media to report about army...they will tell you indian army is most advanced, most powerful and anything else u want it to say...doesnt matter what weapons india has or what external analysts say, they will claim india is the most advanced...why even bother developing anything, even before its developed it will automatically be the BEST, ADVANCED , GREATEST etc...dont worry about reality...
@thulomanchay face another truth. Even india is not an ally of US because india doesn't trust US at all. We're just partner. Nothing more nothing less.
It will take a decade to develop nuclear reactor..
@@magicmagus1459 i understand India doesn't have most advanced military but we do have one the most powerful military but why are you getting pissed off?. Well i can understand it is usual reaction of British/American whenever we devlop something on our own , i don't understand why you guy's have problems India and Indians?
@@magicmagus1459 i don't understand why You guys are always jealous and have problems India and indians , same happened in 1991 when Soviet was giving India the technology of cryogenic engines at that time U.S.A blackmailed soviet and forced them to not give India the technology of cryogenic engines and later when we were develop cryogenic engines on our own then C.I.A interfared and trapped Dr Nambi narayan into a false case and bcoz of that our project got 5-10 Years delayed but in the end we were developed it on our own and same will happen now , we can and we will devlop Nuclear Sumbranrines on our own. Never underestimate us.
Technology denied to us is technology gained-APJ abdul Kalam
India will be able to come up with its own SSN in the future. In the meantime India must and hopefully will, continue to partner with France, the most trustworthy western ally India ever had
Jai Bharat 👍🇮🇳
Australia (like the UK) has decided to tightly couple its future with the US: it prefers security to sovereignty. France on the contrary wants to be the sole decider and have complete autonomy on the use of such weapons. That is why French subs are made in France only using French technology. For instance, to avoid some of the constraints Pakistan has to use its F-16.
World isn't ending tomorrow. Technology can end. The world begins a fresh every day.
Agree, there is a lot of talking war with china. Really, build the defences to protect your own countries against other threats. As India know china is not the only one out there. I would say the most dangerous issue is terrorism. Home growing and exported into countries.
🤣🤣🤣
The earth and our sun will eventually explode after millions/billions of years. So it's basically the world will definitely end tomorrow.
@@Cryptospirosis allah al hamd won't let it happen he will destroy the sun himself or his throne and then we get light from him till he destroys earth too for us to start living again....
@@tentimesful Allah/God doesn't manifest physically. Supernova on the other hand
INDIA should focus on making more nuclear submarines like INS Arihant & Arighat 💪😎👍
Make-In-India is best initiative 🇮🇳
But those are ssbn🌚
Those r ssbn don't have speed , or tactical capabilities of hunter killers .
Still they need to make more 👍
@@saibalbh31 every thing takes time , just believe me bro soon we will get that too
@@CHETANSINGH22 you picked up the time atleast 10 years to get a SSn from india and here in china will have in that time 10 aircraft carriers😔
India needs to send a loud message that it won’t just be for photo op in quad. Otherwise no need for quad.
You are right bro. India is not afraid of any country
No, don't be imotional, This is just geopolitics. Everything is interast. Just enjoy what happening.
@@vibhanshupatel9671 as of now Quad is just a yearly photoops nothing more than that.
@@pankajnegi6860 Talking! If it is talking, even small Singapore dare to say it is not afraid of any country too! We wanna see action, not just talk! Understand?
@@Monkey341 so far India is the only one to confront China and push back in direct combat . I didn't see America or Australia fighting with them in direct combat . Also we banned many Chinese apps while Americans couldn't do that too . In the end all I will say is do not depend too much on other countries .
"Necessity is mother of Invention " , "Denial is birth of Magic "
This video promised much but ultimately didn't answer the question so I will.
To our Indian friends the reason why the US/UK won't give you this technology is because of India's historical position of neutrality, this position has meant that India didn't choose a side during the cold war between NATO and the Warsaw Pact but stayed engaged with both sides, this served India well but also posed a problem in that any sensitive military technology one side sold to India would fall into the hands of the other side by default.
Reactor technology is the penultimate of weapons technology, the highest of the high and the most closely guarded secret and the US/UK don't want it being handed over to Russia where it would certainly get leaked to China, India's long and close relationship with Russia basically means it'll never get this technology, sorry but India made it's choice long ago and despite the fact the situation with China aligns India and the US's interests the relationship between India and the US isn't on a level that the US could trust India would keep the information out of Russia's hands.
The reason Australia is only the second nation The US is going to trust with this technology is because Australia has never waivered in it's alliance with the US, every time the US need help Australia has been there, a relationship stretching back to the second world war, no other country has done that, had India done that then India would get the technology but you didn't, you chose to be uninvolved on the world stage until the world stage came knocking on your door, this is going to open opportunities to India as the world looks to another big country to balance out China, investment from the world will come pouring in which will change India forever, but because you failed to pick a side earlier simply means you wont get this particular technology.
No, it's because India is not an anglo country. America don't want any country over them. Yesterday was Russia, today is China, tomorrow will be India.
@@pinguinocomentador9743
there are the power structures of this world and the masses.
You and me are not part of the power structures. We are part of the masses. The power structures of this world view the masses as the enemy.
The power structures of the countries negotiate their self interests.
Most of the time they work and cooperate together to control the masses whether secretly or publicly among each other..
They are all psychopaths so always jockeying for power among each other.
Within the power structures are the insiders who are vying among themselves for their interests.
you and me are outsiders and the enemy. we are like mushrooms. they like to sprinkle manure on us and keep us in the dark.
There is more unity between india and china than there is between you and india. same situation for me in the US.
Xi Ping can't even trust the people in his own faction.
We don't have full knowledge of these major power structures and their composition.
.
The US don’t trust the French for similar reasons.
They help America when it suits their strategic interests. That isn’t good enough for America.
@@MaxFromSydney1
yep
if India was only country of the world, there would be innumerably conflicts and distrust within it that would be no different than the world we have. at the grassroots level you have personality conflicts among people. within families you have conflicts.
we are never truly told why there is a conflict. Take Venezuela and US, the reasons given by mass media make no sense. Same with Cuba. Same with Nicaragua Sandinistas.
At the same time they are close relationship with Guatemala and Honduras. They make all kinds of excuses why this is so. They will claim it is lack of democracy and human rights in a great contradiction.
We aren't told the true reasons why things are like they are. We can only speculate why they conducted a war in Afghanistan and Iraq. We are told it was 911 attack but that was a false flag and sponsored by US government so untrue. US never intended to "win" any wars in Afghanistan or Iraq. Such an objective is doomed from the start.
@@MaxFromSydney1 Exactly!
Us and uk call india their most prioritized counterpart but didn't forget to backstab india as well they can't tolerate rising india and they are only. in dialogue with India voz they want to counter China but india is well aware of their backstabbing technology 😂
i like ur confidence to boast about ur ignorance...only in india will we have foreign relation experts, intelligence anaylsts, etc in comment section....in indian comment section, ppl have intelligence on cia, fbi, nsa...even future events are already known to indian experts in comment section....i dont what is stopping u from just saying india is on another planet altogether...
@@magicmagus1459 shut up, bot
@@user_name35tdekb4 .. a chinese bot 😊.
Lmao india has never signed the NPT so of course the US and UK wont supply nuke boats it would be a violation of treaty.
India must work with France and Russia for necular submarine. US & UK is worried about raising India.
*Rising
After US done with demonizing China and attack them, india will be the next target.
And that is why we will not help takes time to build trust not just do a deal as they give you something.India have very strange friends like IRAN
@@garfield2742 LOL
@@garfield2742 yes it is.
We will soon be a superpower and develop our own tech...then we will remember our true friends
India Superpower 2020 🤣
@@tomjohnston3393 Indian 🇮🇳 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@tomjohnston3393 2020 is gone now its 2021😂
@@tomjohnston3393 u nee a bo'o'wa'uh mate
Who are your true friends?
It will France 🇫🇷 call to show how much it stands by India 🇮🇳
US said no. We did :
We made super computer.
We sent sattilites at lower costs.
Vaccinated our people with vaccines made in India.
SSN very soon.
😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎.
बहुत ही funny नाम है आपका!🤣🤣 विटामिन प्रोटीन जी!
@@poonambhatia032 heheh thanks😂
Vaccinated with non Indian vaccines. India was told how to create it by the UK.
Because....because India is brown little people and Australia is white! It's about skin colour. Simple as that!
Exactly 💯
Not really the UK & US are very multicultural countries & Australia is family
@@sausage5876 Policies are different from being multicultural.
Your nation is very divided, racist, tribal, caste centric and prejudiced. Thats why you think that way
India china us russia superpower finalists
US didn't want to repeat it's mistakes did in 1980s when aligned Chinese 🇨🇳 so much to counter Soviets. US definitely knows India 🇮🇳 will challenge not only Chinese 🇨🇳 but to them also in next 2-4 decades. They want India 🇮🇳 to be thier allies but not so powerful to challenge them too. They never supports India 🇮🇳 on Nuke capabilities, Kashmir, Indian Ocean, Veto.
yes india should go with the french and Russians. forget the US and uk
they do since yesterday
th-cam.com/video/YxtiJ9LtXRc/w-d-xo.html
Yes
It is always better to get experience of somebody used to design and maintain such nuclear propulsion. Why will India play its reputation ?
Indian already collaborate with France in nuclear reactor for electricity and now will buy nuclear Submarines. But India improve pretty fast and bother USA and China.
India is a great country with a big history and hope to visit one day. I didn't know few places was french oversea territory after the second world war like Chandernagor, Pondichery...
Have you both nationality there like Indian and French?
Right now, Chandannagar does not have French people, Don't know about Puducherry...... French people are there in some other parts
@@ruparoy987 I was asking if Indian people from this place get a privilege from the French country to get a French passport and work for both country. Thank you for your comment
The biggest problem is that India has a close military relationship with Russia, and the US would never risk the possibility of US nuclear sub technology, falling into Russian hands.
They don't share that technology with anybody. Better for India to just stick with whatever Russia gives it.
France is our buddy..after aukus it will happily give us what we want ..
@@kaushalmehta8383 Yeah sure it will. Just like it always does. Twice as expensive and 20 years late.
one of the great decetion mrs gandhi made was to tilt towards russsia. It has paid off very well. It stopped USA walk all over us, like they have done in veatinam, midlle east, etc.
@@cameronps5854 India has nuclear reactor technology for submarines its powering in SSBN
To power SSN The reactor is in developmental stage it will take time.
US technology is most advanced in nuclear propulsion reactors in subs.
This is the most accurate explanation. Vid even stated the US has only given it to UK and now the Aussies who have supported them in every war. I think the US India relationship is the most important this century given China’s assertiveness and India as a possible counterweight given its also a growing power. Its disappointing the reversion to such bitterness by some Indians when things don’t go their way such as with nuke subs. “We will build it ourselves”. Lol. Its literally the most complex tech ever built. Fortunately the Indian establishment aren’t this delusional and are actually very cordial with the Americans.
If india wants something to defend its region and to maintain peace in its region it will get it one way or another
We will buy it from Russia or France of needex
Begging which country again ?
@@tuathaukui7812 buying ???? not begging
Much love to India 🇮🇹♥️🇮🇳
India Will be more powerful in the Future
You need to do fact check, India has already made its own propulsion technology and has also inducted an indigenous nuclear powered sumbarine.
That's an SSBN...which is a nuclear ballistic missile launch platform...but not an nuclear attack submarine also called as SSN...SSN's are faster, stealthier and have longer operational life ...And what will Indian navy will require to hunt Chinese nuclear attack submarines and Chinese ballistic missile launching SSBN submarines.
@@vivek27789 - here you talk BS dude: "SSN's are ...., stealthier" - a conventional diesel boat is WAY stealthier than any SSN, in fact, the new generation of conventional boats could dance circles around a SSN without being detected !
@@mirandela777 But that does not mean that SSN are of no use now. Concentional subs are stealthier under water, but they have to surface very often(max to max 21 days) whereas nuclear subs can stay submerged for more tha 3 months.
@@emma_7153 Emma, conventional Subs are made for "blue waters" that is, coastal waters, and 21 days is more than enough for a patrol - remember, unlike nuclear boats, a conventional sub can be refitted, rearmed, much faster, and costs a lot less.
Russia ❤️a true friend of India
Why ask for it ?
I'm a marine engineer myself, and I'm sure we'll develop our own SSNs in the next 8-10 years. We know the technology and the concept. Engineering design is only a matter of time.
You can’t make the reactors needed for an SSN. Crappy, noisy old Russian junk might be good enough for a SSBN but not for an SSN.
Blessing in disguise. Now France will extend its technology to India for project 76 .
No
@@debashishmahananda5372 yes they do
th-cam.com/video/YxtiJ9LtXRc/w-d-xo.html
Yep Not woth the money but crack on
High time India stops depending on foreign countries especially USA. They entertain only common interests. Increase the r and d budget and give free scope to DRDO.
Rohit Nair
It is the bad workman who blames his tools. An intelligent workman re-fashions them.
India is noted for this attitude (blaming the tools). Since when India re-discovered d r d o? Its a shame. Once the same d r d o was denounced & its scientists are denigrated second-class are being sought after. Why? Does anyone in the country has the capability to assess the capability to assess its worth, either in a good way or as bad? I doubt. It is a national malady. A national ignorance makes verything "vilayat" is good, but "desi" is bad. It is well marked in Armed forces.
First off, nobody has an inkling of how design & development work. And it is the same set, that passes comments on these technical aspects.
Self reliance is utterly important to stay ahead. Any shared tech would be dated.
India is afterall broken into pieces by the British then became an American puppet every since 😌
All countries should hear it loud and clear that Indian Ocean is INDIAN Ocean.
Precisely, all countries should hear it loud and clear that South China Sea is South CHINA Sea. Now, you see eye to eye with China. Good.
@@Monkey341 I think south China sea is a part of Indian Ocean 😜
@@abhijithoffl it is lol
From this, India should know who it's real friends are.
We never considered US our friends
@@sohamchoughule5314 exactly , we have considered them as our masters 😂😂😂😂
If the US has trouble keeping Chinese spies away from it's technology, how on Earth is India going to keep them away? All it takes is 1 rogue operative in India who wants to make money quickly. In the US they spread the blueprint across platforms and cannot guarantee you guys in India will have security tightness. It is just too much of a risk. Nothing to do with knowing who your friends are.
@@Tech-mn6he You have, not me atleast
@@nathd1748 What made you think I was from India? Just like you, too many people assume too much.
USA denied cryogenic tech and tried to thwart India's progress for 2 decades by honeytrapping and jailing Nambiar. For sure India can build its own but it needs to be diligent against foreign espionage.
Its just DRDO NEEDS MORE FUNDING
NOTE : AT 2030 WORLD WILL SEE A NEW SUPERPOWER
It might take more longer like 15-20 years for india to become an economic superpower
according to me.
@@dakshinamurthy4919 Aren't they still installing toilets around the country? If so I don't see India being a superpower this century, it took China 40 years with all of the backings (investment) of the west to get to where it is now and it's still not a superpower.
India, choose between US or Russia. Choose ONE only. You cannot be an ally to both and expect to get the technology of both. Blame yourself for not being taken seriously by both.
Indian submarine is cheap toy. lndia can only beg foreign countries for technologies.
This is not cold war and Russia is not our enemy neither US...
@@aburetik4866 we develop SSBN..what if we also develop SSN, it may take some time...but it will be problem for u guys...
If there's a choice, better stand with Russia. Because we've just seen what happened with Afghanistan.
India must remember that the Might is Right. If they build their own strength neither USA nor any power can do anything.
There is much to be gained strategically by helping our good ally India.
You mean the ally whos best friends with russia? No thanks
@@DelaDoesWork That's your opinion. Opinions are like... and stinks
@@Jack-fo4su So India has not accepted technology from Russia in the past ? And i havent seen hundreds of Indias online warriors speak so highly of RU? India is not a country to be trusted. Its not an opinion when two of the most advanced nations refuse to give India tech. Your statement is an opinion
@@DelaDoesWork do you live in that part of the world? Know the politics of your close neighbors?
Or are the stakes lower for you because you live in your little magic safe bubble somewhere?
Goodbye.
Any day,, Russia is more trustworthy that the US.. Always remember, it was russia who stood with us in 1971, when US send their warships to fight us on request of pakistan.. I say it again, Never trust the West..
India is a nuclear power, has countless number of talents from her huge population and education system. Indian economy keeps growing. It's just a matter of time for India to have her own nuclear submarine. Nothing to worry. All she needs is determination and proper leadership. Get out of that colonial era mentality! That's how I, as a foreigner, see India today!
We already have nuclear subs... just not the ones with 35yr fuel backup...
India should remember the times when US sanctioned India for building Nuclear technology and not expect anything from them or their closest allies.
India doesnt need US support on Nuclear technology and India can do on its own.
yes indian has already made everything in the comment section...indian comment section is the most reliable...they are experts in everything and they have concluded that india is # 1 in everything....
Never ever be a hyper nationalist always try 2 c poor Indian defence budget and bad performance of Indian defence PSUs
Hope you get a reality check
@@debashishmahananda5372 nope... believe the indian comment section where india is the best at everything
@@debashishmahananda5372 Why dont you wake up and see what is happening around. India of 2021 is not of 1990. India achieved a lot in last 20 years than 1947-2000. The poor thing is whose who have pessimistic mindset did not able to digest and always want india to behind US and China.
@@magicmagus1459 if you are unable to digest then it is not my problem. India never ever have any hegemonic mindset and always willing to help others.
They did the same with Cryo engines for our Space program but we've developed those on our own now. They can stall us but never stop us. Jai Hind.
Ussr operated around 260 submarines and beated us technology too. In 80s it was at its peak project 941 akula
Australia is a part of Anglosphere countries and also a Allie's of USA, UK in cold war.
India knows USA and UK never help in tough time. So India has all weather friends France and Russia.
We Indian never expect the help of USA and UK.
USA thought a lesson during Kargil War when he doesn't provide GPS.
Now India 🇮🇳 has it's own navigation system NAVIC.
We know who is our friend and who is not.
Yea USA UK been at war for 100 years but we never help do not talk shit
I don't think India should expect them to give nuclear technology, they only give it to Lap Doggs...
It's Russia who saved us from a lot of tough times... Especially during 1971 war.
@@mranonymous9622 Which you couldnt solve for years leading up to a war. Some of your actions and ideas over 75 years have made the worlds citizens more at risk. So the world should give you more nuclear weapons to solve conflicts? Like every other nation, India has been badly led and is not remotely as moral to its people as it claims
right now its the time to bring back all the genius brains of india present in usa . R & D is the key for us to cost down these technology
Not many opportunities in India
Do you think all those Indians in US are getting job for free ? India isn't allowed to buy Oil from Iran / Venezuela with Indian currency. All trade to be done only in USD. China is working on de-dollarization meaning to avoid dollars in every possible way.
They're Americans now
They are not Indians. They are Americans. We don't need them. We have to implement attractive policies for investments thereby ensuring the capital for R&D in every sector. India has the much required Human Resources here itself to do the rest and match up with any power in the world.
@@syamkrishnan7243 You are either ignorant or underestimating the brain-drain. If those NRI come back and help in nation building, science & technology will be developed at a 3 times faster rate.
when we look west 🇨🇵♥️🇮🇳
Without the help of US & UK .... We developed our nation & came this far.... In future, definitely we will overwhelm any nation's technology for sure....❤️🇮🇳
I admire that you dream of things that won't ever happen, at least that way you have something to strive for ☺️
@@pieterveenders9793 y not?,🤔.. if u people gets tech... y can't v ??!! "Belief" is the powerful weapon than any thing... Just v believe & v will achieve.... Don't bother about it , bro....
That statement alone answers why they will not share it with India.. delusional
Some might say that the UK was a pretty big deal in the history of the development of India...
A few moments later : India has successfully manufactured it's very own nukesubs and Became the 4th country to do that.
History repeats itself. Like what happened with cryogenic engines
India practice peaceful relationship with friendly countries unless they are provoked or threaten. India is important to stabilize south Asian countries and central Asia from China 's expansion policies. Though US and UK can trust India but still refuse for their request for nuclear power submarines shows their hipocracy but want relationship with India to counter China.
Why should they give india nuclear submarines. Lol why does india think it has a right to copy our technology
Chandran . The fact is india has a more expansionist policy that China. There was never a India before the British.
@@janeeire2439 It's an inferiority complex coupled with childishness. They can't deal with not being the top dog and lacking access to superior technology, so they think other countries owe it to them. When they find out that the technologically superior countries aren't going to give said technology nor preferential treatment to them, and that just like everyone else they're going to have to develop it by themselves if they want it, they'll throw a fit.
It's hard to describe in words how naive or ignorant you are if you think the US or UK is just going to sell you either their latest nuclear submarines or their latest nuclear submarine technology. Yes, both countries trust India as regional ally against China, but no, it definitely doesn't trust India with highly advanced military technology, nor will France by the way. There are only 2 countries who the US trusts enough in order to give them access to the latest nuclear submarine technology; the UK and Australia. Even countries such as Israel, Japan or Canada, all of them much closer US partners and allies than India, aren't given the privilege of access to such technology. So why do you think India would be any exception? In fact even Australia isn't guaranteed of it as it has been rumoured that the US wants Australia to acquire British Astute-class nuclear attack subs so they don't have to give Australia access to US technology.
@Pizz@ khan🤮🤮 why does india think it has a righty to build nuclear weapons? The USA and U.K. were the First Nations to build nukes why do all these other nations think they can copy us and build nukes?
Can we believe on US & Uk?, We should make it with France.
France and India have a similar approach in the relation to super powers (US, Russia, China). It is more moderate, or middle ground, than the Anglo-Saxon world which is currently resurrecting a Cold War attitude with China.
I'm sorry but I don't believe France will share sensitive technology with India considering India's relationships with Russia.
🇺🇸 denied cryogenic engine technology to 🇮🇳 after 1998 nuclear tests but 🇮🇳 made its own cryogenic engine 🇮🇳 will eventually make its own nuclear powered SSNs
It was 1987
@@mranonymous9622 India conducted five nuclear tests on May 11 and 13, 1998, at the Pokhran range in Rajasthan
I was talking about the cryogenic engines.... USA denied it. But we developed. And has done a lot of space missions
No one is no one's in geopolitics. Only mutual interests matter. India will get what we need at any cost.
Every news so good keep it up
Let me tell America that we r acquiring s400 and talking about s500 from Russia 🇷🇺
To be honest to irritate AUKUS, France might assist India in their development
France has never been a reliable partner for the West.
that would be fantastic, but i doubt it would irritate anyone
Why we always look for foreign national for our critical need I wish one day these need can be fulfilled domestically ....👍
Simply because other countries get it one way another by buying or stealing. Look at North Korea, Pakistan and China. China reverse engineers technology.
Because we have talent with no efficient infrastructure to built those technology And UK looted us and now they can built good technology with foreign brain
@@scarlettodepraz7778 why do we Indians always keep on bringing uk looted us example. Like for God sake, the entire country of Germany was destroyed during the war, their economy in tatters and sinking in debt. They worked, and kept on working and now are the strongest nation in the whole EU. Other example is china. They had a worse condition than India after the WW2, japanese tortured,lotted, raped and massacred them and now they are a global superpower.
I’m a Brit and tbh I think we should give it to India. A strong ally and future key player in any conflict in Asia
Yes give them to India and they will do the fighting on your behalf. I was wondering how many years was India being colonized by your country ?
80% of UK's military tech is USA's tech! Now Brits want to give American tech away. How generous and unrealistic!
Why are people so triggered? The bottom line is we aren’t allies, only partners.
India is also having some serious economic issues especially because of all the corruption in their political system. They aren’t in a place to grow after the pandemic and they have to focus on domestic problems before expanding their military capabilities.
Although all my support goes to India I hope they can recover from the pandemic quickly! I hope eventually they will make a compelling submarine. Especially because of threats from China.
Very capable country!
well u havent seen the new gdp growth data published this year sir
@@charukant100 yeah you’re not wrong, India has had one of the biggest growths in their history. That’s mostly do to a high demand of Indian products during the pandemic.
The the problem is the way the government is handling the economy. Domestic consumption could pose a huge problem, it could cause some serious trade in-balances.
But I think the biggest problem India faces is the aging population, just like China. Although China is very different, China has the capabilities to quickly move to an autonomous manufacturing
system, India’s government for some reason thinks that using the high numbers of aging population will continue to prosper.
All countries have their own economic problems but if you can’t get a well working leadership system and rid out corruption, than you might not be able to provide the correct decisions needed for the economy.
As always, I love Indians and I really hope the best for their economy.
India can develop on it's own. We must put in more effort in our own R&D.
that is not possible, we indians love spending money building temples not world class school. until that changes
India 🇮🇳 need this Bcz India made this
Someone from UK here I can only speak for myself but this is shit we should help India with or without 🇺🇸 on this one.
Agreed, but you know we can't jump unless Washington tells us to.
@@krashd thats just nonsense Falklands war tells you all you need to know they didn't want us to fight over that. And we all know the result of that.
The thing is india never asked for nuclear Sumb , india wanted technology exchange means india just wants to know how to make small nuclear reactor , don't know about UK but USA really expects that India will fight against China , USA really wanna use India against China , but let me tell you guys it's India isn't neutral anymore , India asserted her dominance in Asia . India is the only asian country going head to head against China , even after world mocked india for poverty and things , Asia sees next Superpower in India so india doens't needs nuclear submarine , it's whole asia needs it so India can really got against China so China stops oppresing small countries like Taiwan and Tibet . And plus india never went into World War Guess World doens't knows the true potential of Indian power . But believe me , may god prevent it but if ever WW3 happens then India is going to decide the fate of USA in Asia .
India devided by 7 countries 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Pakistan, Bangladesh, bhutan, nepal, srilanka, Myanmar, Afghanistan
If they comes toughter with one country again it will be one of the most powerful army nd powerful economy in the whole world 🚩🚩🚩
India is the #2 superpower of the world. We need India to help US keeping the world in peace.
Coming from an Australian I believe that India should learn to play French cricket
India has nuclear reactor technology for submarines its powering in SSBN
To power SSN we need 190 MW The reactor is in developmental stage it will take time.
US technology is most advanced in nuclear propulsion reactors in subs.
which country's leader think India need permission from them to build a nuclear submarine on their own ..?
It's really very simple to understand. India has close ties with Russia. The US/UK won't risk their technology 'accidently' falling into Russia's hands. India has tried to play both the West and Russia and this is her problem. She has to chose between the two. You can't expect to get the USA's/UK's most sensitive technology while being allied to Russia. This is just basic common sense.
Bcz us or uk won't give us their astute or Virginia class attack sub hardly they will provide los angles class attack submarine which is 25 yrs old but russia is ready to give us yasen m class ssn which is almost at par with the Virginia class sub according to us Gen..
Bcoz US cant be trusted
@@arijit7501 That's the problem the US/UK has. They will only share their most sensitive technology with their closest allies and India is neutral. India is both friends with the West and Russia. If India was full on West then she'd get more ToT
That's nonsense. India has had good relationships with both the US and Russia but it has been only the Russians who have always supplied India with its most sensitive technologies. Classic examples- S-400 missile system and nuclear tech for arihant class submarines. Don't you realize that even Russians are scared of its sensitive tech 'accidently falling' into UK/US hands. Even France which is a rival of Russia doesn't hesitate to give India very sophisticated technologies such as Rafales despite knowing that india is buying S-400 system from russia as well as tech for Civil nuclear energy reactors. But Its the US who is unwilling to give india sophisticated technologies and thus is untrustworthy.
@@davidbrown9237 but russia does provide us their most sophisticated tech such as s400 or s500 yasen m tech despite india being an ally of usa !! That's the difference and that is why india always chooses trustworthy partner Russia not us or uk..
Don't worry.... Our great indian scientists build powerful nuclear submarine....
Indian already operating 2 blastic missile submarine
Another 2 in advance level of construction
In 2025 India operating 4 blastic missile submarines
Yes, but they want attack submarines and that would require figuring out how to downsize the reactors they have or buying the designs from someone else.
India doesn't need it, already has one and can built more
Nahin he bhai india ke pas pure nuclear powered submarine
Ssbn type he but ssn type are best
@@siddharthsahu6068 woh bhi ban jayega
@@siddharthsahu6068 Thoda research kar lena chahiye comment karne se Pehle en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_submarines_of_the_Indian_Navy
@@siddharthsahu6068 ssbn needed for nuclear warhead.. Ssn is for non nuclear nations
It's all right if USA say 'NO' . its mean india can make it by own maybe it's take time but we can do it...Like our own GPS ...
I am sure Indian scientists and engineers can build the same given enough time and resources. I predict in the future, India will develop and export SSN Nuclear submarines to other countries and at a fraction of the cost. If India can place a satellite in Martian orbit in the first try, this should be feasible as well.
I agree! Go for it!
Don't worry world, India will develop everything soon.
Don't worry there was a time they were not given cryogenic technology...and we built by own ...it will take some time but it is possible that india will make its own ..
I think the us and UK will be too busy helping Australia
Critical need turns to invention, we should work hard to put our nation interests as a first priority instead of welfare schemes
so if civilization ended tomorrow these SSN's would still be floating around for 33 years, would be an awesome movie, as the world degrades back to the stone age these beasts would still be in the ocean
Not without food they won't.
It is an awesome movie it's called "On the Beach" from a book of the same title by Nevil Shute.
India is asking too much from Americans we are not an ally of US/NATO. They have no reason to give this sensitive tech to us. Russia or France might help us.
In 1963/63 we also tried asking for US help with our subs after China defeated us but they refused so we turned to Soviet Union. Looks like history is repeating itself..........
USA behaving like selfish student of school who know what question coming in exam but he telling question for his best friends only not for other friend.
really funny, why the US should give nuclear SSN to india? or coz india is lapdog and beg to his master? can india give his island to exchange the SSN technology? so funny Indians, no wonder India gov bahave ridiculous, LOL
We don't want us UK or any other ally they come to their interest none technology is given by them to India only India is helped by USSR so we don't leave trusted countries america has nothing to do with India
America if you think you can stop us day dreaming kid we can we will built own submarine it may take time but we will
Time has proved hardwork of Indian scientist when we don't have resources starting from bullcart to building isro and we have anti satellite missiles hypersonic. Missiles
We don't need anyone
Us cannot sanction India because us need India to counter China
One more point -- the US is not "giving" nuclear tech to Australia.
I am sure US is getting things in return.
It is always give and take.
The nuclear tech will be given but not shared. Meaning the reactor will be a black box for the Australians, they wont be given the technology nor expertise to build it ... just to run it.
That's what I thought , one simply wouldn't hand over their years of expertise just like that unless it's a existential crysis , don't mind my fellow Indians they are quite emotional 😁 but at same time they are loyal as well , having said that I wish my country stand up for right cause on future , work towards global peace working diplomatically with its allies one step at a time, peace to all
@@subbu8085 India has no allies.
Partners? Yes.
Bilateral agreements? Yes.
But, true allies that will fight beside India, and India will fight beside them? No.
If so, please name it.
@@craigkdillon You are spot on
@@craigkdillon I think both countries have different culture & geopolitical outlook so it's hard for them to become true allies but that doesn't mean they don't turn out to be great partners which I think is enough for both of us countries to exercise shared belief
Could it be that India is too close to Russia ?
Two Scientists of BARC were researching and working on nuclear submarine and they were killed by giving poison and their bodies were found on a railway track....before expecting from our scientists they should be given proper security and good pay....and the gov. has to do it.
That's why India need his older friend .. russia ❤️
@Sofa Kinstupeed and what US did ??
We don't need it from them....we can develop it by ourselves
Even if it is costly, it is worth purchasing nuclear powered reactors from France or Russia for its subs under Construction.
India now can get it from France or Russia. Why is India so afraid of?
What is there to afraid? It is between. US UK and Australia so let them do what they want . We have our own projects going on
India not afraid.... India is just confirming it's doubt about being ally that's all...We already know US and UK will not support India ever
@@BuddhuEngineer it's better to completely become the ally of china and Russia if there is no border dispute.
@@BuddhuEngineer From over here, our view of the history from 1947 onwards is that we keep asking and you keep going to Russia. First thing Nehru did within 60 days of Stalin's death
India has always plotted a more neutral course as a nation.
That has benefits and consequences.
The benefit is that they don't get dragged into silly conflicts around the world.
The consequence is they need to develop their own military technology and doctrines.
Nations aren't guaranteed to share every important piece of their arsenal with other nations that aren't close military allies.
...So India will need to invest in the technology if they want it.
Request that you consider that the bait words are " neutral" and the veneer is "fellow democracy". The actual actions are go to Russia from the get go ( and six years before any US Pakistan exchange) and stay that way while coming up with twisted history of resentments and BS. Like thinking the US was headed to invade India in 1971. You and Pakistan got into a squabble and threatened the radiation effects of you squabble on the entire rest of the world. Second, why would the US want to invade India? Now or in 1971? Seriously.
Next, if we did why would we send one aircraft carrier?
Next, the closest one can get to Pakistan was via the sea and therefore close to India.
You didnt solve the global problem. You havent risen above squabbling with a 4th world place thats barely a country. Not only did we try, we gave you 20 years to grow into at least a regional superpower thats not threatened by Pakistan or Afghanistan ( same chaotic rogue part of the world...never mind what the map says).
You are not neutral.
You are anti American and have been since 1947
Because you assumed we were Pro Britain. If you remember all the way back to the War we were against UK colonization post WW2. Just examine the transcripts of Potsdam and other Roosevelt Vs Churchill meetings. You forget we withheld until they started to get out of Britain and we forced them out of Suez and Egypt.
Nehru showed up in Moscow in 1947. We also went right after Stalins death. The US made its first agreement with Pakistan in 1954 to keep Russia from leasing the port of Karachi.
We advised you against going nuclear so there would not be an arms race with Pakistan. The two nations are emotional and irresponsible with each other. The rest of the world gets your radiation. Its a world not just your border dispute.
Every time we offered India another path its flowery words and right back to Mother Russia. You dont think we hear your leaders conversations with Russia? Gimme Shelter.
No American reading these threads is going to be in favor of losing any soldier if the behavior and attitude continues as it has been. It would never get through Congress.
We dont want your country. In the slightest. Thats nutty.
You made a choice. You conflated the UK and America in all things ( but you are not racist or discriminatory) You said you were neutral. You are not. Sorry we did not buy that. We wish you well. Hope everything works out for you. Many many smart and nice people in India and Indians in the USA.
It is what it is. Its too bad. Three weeks ago I began to read the Indian media outlets as I had hope ( and I told or discussed the potential with many other Americans) and wanted to learn about how your people thought. I was stunned at many threads just like this.
It is what it is
@@willaimoconnell9430 no one said US wanted to invade India. US shamelessly assisted Pakistan against India and it was RU that came to the rescue. All the Mujahideen funding came back to bite USAs ass and now they realize Pakistan cannot be trusted. India has always acted in interest of its own and its neighbors. Indian investment into Afghanistan has gone into drain thanks to USAs mindless policies in Afghanistan.
Also USA don't have a right to dictate anyone on arms race when they themselves have shit load of nukes more than rest of the nations combined.
We dont require to US UK provide submarine. India develop one day our own nuclear submarine.
US not give india GPS system in war with Pakistan.
India develope our own GPS system.
Why should any nation help you blow up the world because you cant get along with a neighbor with nuclear weapons?
@@willaimoconnell9430 maybe the Anglo saxons will supply Pakistan and Bangladesh with technology lol
US has many superbig companies are in fact UK companies. UK gives a lot of technology to US like harris jump jet or aircraft engines RR over decades.
And whatever technology the UK cannot give, the US copied or stole!
@@Monkey341 the USA even steal from the UK.
We already have it, and Russians have also offered us that
In a way i would like to thank the US and UK in helping us be more self reliant. I think we should form a new quad of France, Russia, India & Japan. Sounds unbelievable? Well just wait & watch.
Sorry! Russia is with China. Russia will not join any quad by India. Worse still if Japan is in it. Russia will tell India, if you want, come join us instead.
@@Monkey341 In the world countries never had permanent friends or permanent enemies. Remember WW 2?...& the scenario today. I rest my case. 🙏🏼
Russia will not join new quad alliance
France won't join any alliances with Russia, so that puts and end to that straight away.
@@purvika2711 Making an alliance does not mean you cannot be independent. It only helps in valuable exchange of information and ideas. We have traditionally been close to Russia and France for years so what is wrong in strengthening our bonds further? Also it helps in keeping ambitions of enemy states in check & prevents them from undertaking any misadventures. Stop having such myopic views. Nobody can remain an island & progress in today's world.
Lol india just few months back has launched its own 3rd nuclear submarines keep crying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
India must build its own nuclear submarine and not depend on US or UK
#They denied us the
*Cryogenic engine for rockets
*GPS in Kargil war
#They said TEJAS will never fly
😏But what happened is that....
*India developed cryogenic engine
*India developed NAVIC
*Tejas touched the sky with glory
And next India will make nuclear reactors which can outclass the US & UK
great😍 comment
Easy answer, India will give the advanced U.S. technology to Russia.
Can't imagine how you do make such irresponsible statements.
I think usa should try some better excuse.
@@chandrasekharmukherjee5597 Well, how much Russian military hardware has Australia bought? And India? Exactly.
Just lease 2 ssn from Russia for 10 years.
And make technology transfer from France and build ssn in India or export it from France.
But india doesn't have fund to buy this.
@@ashutoshjha225 india has ssbn not nuclear attack subs
India want to sign a Australian Cancelled SSN submarine Deal with France with some changes suitable for our country and Navy it will increase our navy capability on numbers, underwater naval warefare and technology India want to sing it in costififient for our country Jai Hind 🇮🇳💪
We will build it by ourself