When Max P said "It felt bad because I had a lock on the entire game" for round 2, that's basically every loss I feel like for me with Talion. So many games where you feel in full control 90% of the game and then just one thing slips through and all those inches you made throughout the game didn't matter enough. Definitely is hard to come back from that sometimes, but just wanted to say it happens, and often, honestly. Thanks for repping Talion at this! Love being in the discord and discussing all the Talion tech :)
i think it's the sheer mental fortitude to play a deck like talion in an event like this takes to really make it through those moments. you have to be able to make accurate threat assessment consistently throughout the game, which is true for every deck, but talion makes the game go long so it's even more mentally taxing. but boy do wins with it feel earned, which is why I love it.
Dallas Glaze here, wanted to stop in and say that yalls coverage of this tournament was sick. Glad I got to play against both of you with Temur Pirates in the largest NA cedh tournament. Also, Max... about game 5, I did Indeed have Glinthorn in hand but not another red source so I couldnt win.. I then proceeded to draw a red source. I WASNT LYING AT THE TIME I SWEAR😂
Absolutely it was my first major MTG tournament and I think I did okay for a first swing - learned a lot in just two days - it was an entirely new experience from previous tournaments I had attended; totally positive, super friendly - I expected to be a lot more awkward being what seemed the only competitor there under 18
@doggosgoboom6721 ya man, I think literally other than that, you played well. I personally think swapping from Minsc could be beneficial, but if you have fun with it, I would continue playing it and sharpen your skills 💪
Watched this tournament from start to finish and honestly thought that wounded was gonna get his first dub on the biggest of stages! Either way still another awesome performance and I now building kinnan! Well net decking the grindem into dust lost anyway!
Hell yeah love to hear it! If you have any questions feel free to message me, and if you think 1 on 1 coaching would be helpful for you definitely hit me up!
I was the MK player against MaxP in round six. I did definitely get murked by kraumbat 😂😂. I was a bit nervous getting to play against Max and being the elimination game. That was my one game I felt I could played a bit differently and had a better chance. The opp agent on my intuition was a big throw by myself. Gonna keep grinding and earn some respect for Malcolm Kediss.
Magda player from round 4 here. Took an awful gamble on the mizzium mortars hoping it would not resolve to waste opponents interaction and it did not pay off. Otherwise had the win in hand assuming the opp agent stayed in play by going infinite with clock and then using Facebreaker to impulse draw my deck instead of tutoring. Pretty greedy of myself on that end but I was hoping the Farm player would have some interaction. Overall good game and good placement!
The wheel of fortune kinda fucked me pretty bad. My wheel hand was Clock, Automaton, Facebreaker then 4 fucking lands lol. I was hoping i would draw any of my good interaction like abrade or sudden shock. And then the turn i draw i top deck the mortars. Generally try to play responsibly but seeing what my hand is, and the fact that you have a nezahal and a basalt monolith in play with limited colored resources, i figured it was correct to try and bait interaction on the mizzium mortars. I didn't have enough treasures in play to tutor if just the oppo left, so i overloaded the mortars to bait large scale interaction from either you or the farm player, since if it does resolve, atleast it will kill the kinnan and then it will force you to recast your creatures wasting more of your resources and again, if my mortars resolved, hoping they were sandbagging interaction against you. Obviously that's not how it worked out but there's always hindsight especially with large scale tournaments like that.
@@ColorsAreACrutch could have but that nezahal spooked me because the facebreaker line requires me casting everything and I essentially draw you your deck
Thanks for the cool content and gz on the run! One question about lying when asked ‘do you have a win in hand’: Do you really think that people should be obliged to tell what they have in hand just because they are asked? Because with your moral stance I basically have to answer “i wont tell” every time I have the win, which is really easy to read. Personally I’ve changed my stance, so thet I will never proactively lie, but I’ll never feel obliged to tell you whats in my hand just because you are asking
You absolutely don't have to answer the question. And yes not answering the question is often times answering the question. That's why I ask! It's one of the trickier part of the political game. -Max P
28:00 I watched that game, and since Mana Vault was going to ping him, he would have lost in his draw unless he chooses to pay to untap, which means he has 0 mana. There is no line where he wins.
As a meta player, but also as a rather experienced Slicer player, I would like to add on top of the commentary for round 5 that not every pod allows to make Slicer the focus in an efficient manner. Mostly because the higher the number of alive players is, the stronger it is, and also the earlier one of the 4 players dies the weaker it is. Also you could have pods with multiple black colored commanders, and competent in the same way on top of that, which means two things. First the focus reasonably has to be redirected correctly to the turbo decks. Second that Slicer is a stax piece in and of itself, as it makes trading disadvangeously compulsory. Within this frame of reasoning what are by nature symmetric effects (such as boardwipes or in this case Slicer's presence) become, in practice, asymmetrical, as creature based decks become more affected by this stax kind of effect. Personally I would have made an attempt to manipulate the Slicer player, with honest goodwill though, in killing the blue farm player first, since the minsc player could have easily be (in my experience) his most convenient last opponent. Also if I were piloting Slicer in an exactly similar pod, I would have declared with no doubts turn 0, that I would have focused Tymna Kraum that the other players should do the same, and that Slicer is not a menace until it's coming for your butt (I am required by law to say this last bit, don't judge, it's my gameplan). Cheers from the northern italian cEDH community, fantastic content.
Hey max, regarding game 2. Did you have sheoldreds edict left in the library? I would say your one out would be searching on your endstep with wishclaw and casting that. But then he has wishclaw so who knows. Im not sure he couldve done anything because thats his last turn and talion was too expensive to recast
Edict was gone. His line was cast Yawg will, bounce cage, cast dark rit from gy, bounce copy artifact, play ca bounce chrome mox. Crack CA for a 0 mana rock, start the loop.
But he and I talked after the game, he did not see the line until well after we were done. So maybe I should have gambled he didn't find it on his turn. Then I win on mine by getting gilded drake.
@@ColorsAreACrutch yea its definitely alot of unknowns because you didnt know it was yawg’s will untill after the game. I just assume if somebody does that and offers the draw i go “that means they are hoping to get lucky on a topdeck and i want to make them have it” esp when winning the first 2 rounds makes the rest of your tournament strategy so different
You might be 100% right, it’s just hard to pass on the draw there looking at the board and realizing he was essentially one spell away from winning and was only offering the draw because he hadn’t yet seen what I saw.
Round 2 was one of the most fun games I’ve had at a tournament. Happy to have finally gotten a game with you, Wounded.
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Now just think of what a blast you would have had if you tutored for Kinnan
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Heyo! Derevi player from MaxP's R4 here. Was a fun game, and was nice to meet both MaxP and Wounded at the event! Looking forward to PC3 :)
Was a pleasure playing with you man! See you at PC3! -Max P
When Max P said "It felt bad because I had a lock on the entire game" for round 2, that's basically every loss I feel like for me with Talion. So many games where you feel in full control 90% of the game and then just one thing slips through and all those inches you made throughout the game didn't matter enough. Definitely is hard to come back from that sometimes, but just wanted to say it happens, and often, honestly. Thanks for repping Talion at this! Love being in the discord and discussing all the Talion tech :)
i think it's the sheer mental fortitude to play a deck like talion in an event like this takes to really make it through those moments. you have to be able to make accurate threat assessment consistently throughout the game, which is true for every deck, but talion makes the game go long so it's even more mentally taxing.
but boy do wins with it feel earned, which is why I love it.
Time to get the popcorn, been looking forward to this one!
Dallas Glaze here, wanted to stop in and say that yalls coverage of this tournament was sick. Glad I got to play against both of you with Temur Pirates in the largest NA cedh tournament.
Also, Max... about game 5, I did Indeed have Glinthorn in hand but not another red source so I couldnt win.. I then proceeded to draw a red source. I WASNT LYING AT THE TIME I SWEAR😂
If only I had read what Reprieve said...
@doggosgoboom We,ve all been there before, at least it was a good learning experience 😂
You have fun the rest of the tournament man?
Absolutely it was my first major MTG tournament and I think I did okay for a first swing - learned a lot in just two days - it was an entirely new experience from previous tournaments I had attended; totally positive, super friendly - I expected to be a lot more awkward being what seemed the only competitor there under 18
@doggosgoboom6721 ya man, I think literally other than that, you played well.
I personally think swapping from Minsc could be beneficial, but if you have fun with it, I would continue playing it and sharpen your skills 💪
I played against one kinnan myself as well, a few blue farms and one sisay. It was a blast and it was awesome to meet yall
Watched this tournament from start to finish and honestly thought that wounded was gonna get his first dub on the biggest of stages! Either way still another awesome performance and I now building kinnan! Well net decking the grindem into dust lost anyway!
Hell yeah love to hear it! If you have any questions feel free to message me, and if you think 1 on 1 coaching would be helpful for you definitely hit me up!
Nice episode guy good to hear the analysis of your Boil runs
I was the MK player against MaxP in round six. I did definitely get murked by kraumbat 😂😂. I was a bit nervous getting to play against Max and being the elimination game. That was my one game I felt I could played a bit differently and had a better chance. The opp agent on my intuition was a big throw by myself. Gonna keep grinding and earn some respect for Malcolm Kediss.
Oh yeah! I forgot about Caveman's Oppo, that was pretty rough. That was a tough pod all around, was great playing with you! -Max P
Crazy to see Sauron, the Dark Lord make it to the top 4. 😅
I will almost always misstep kinnans turn 1 sol ring 😅 Sauron made a smart play!
Magda player from round 4 here. Took an awful gamble on the mizzium mortars hoping it would not resolve to waste opponents interaction and it did not pay off. Otherwise had the win in hand assuming the opp agent stayed in play by going infinite with clock and then using Facebreaker to impulse draw my deck instead of tutoring. Pretty greedy of myself on that end but I was hoping the Farm player would have some interaction. Overall good game and good placement!
Wait so you could have just played the clock and won? - Wounded
The wheel of fortune kinda fucked me pretty bad. My wheel hand was Clock, Automaton, Facebreaker then 4 fucking lands lol. I was hoping i would draw any of my good interaction like abrade or sudden shock. And then the turn i draw i top deck the mortars. Generally try to play responsibly but seeing what my hand is, and the fact that you have a nezahal and a basalt monolith in play with limited colored resources, i figured it was correct to try and bait interaction on the mizzium mortars. I didn't have enough treasures in play to tutor if just the oppo left, so i overloaded the mortars to bait large scale interaction from either you or the farm player, since if it does resolve, atleast it will kill the kinnan and then it will force you to recast your creatures wasting more of your resources and again, if my mortars resolved, hoping they were sandbagging interaction against you. Obviously that's not how it worked out but there's always hindsight especially with large scale tournaments like that.
@@rustitg4808 gotcha, so you could have just shot the shot and won right?
@@ColorsAreACrutch could have but that nezahal spooked me because the facebreaker line requires me casting everything and I essentially draw you your deck
Same thing happened to me in Texas about the sleeve. Stressful for sure.
Was cool to meet you! Didn’t do so hot but it was a fun time
Good seein’ yall at The Boil. Until PC3
Great to see you!!!! And I did get my Kessig back, its so fucking sick thanks so much
It was a really tough but fun tourney. Most games were down to the wire mostly. I ended up finishing #22 missing top 16 by 1 win or draw.
Congratulations! Pretty close
Thanks for the cool content and gz on the run!
One question about lying when asked ‘do you have a win in hand’: Do you really think that people should be obliged to tell what they have in hand just because they are asked? Because with your moral stance I basically have to answer “i wont tell” every time I have the win, which is really easy to read.
Personally I’ve changed my stance, so thet I will never proactively lie, but I’ll never feel obliged to tell you whats in my hand just because you are asking
You absolutely don't have to answer the question. And yes not answering the question is often times answering the question. That's why I ask! It's one of the trickier part of the political game. -Max P
This is exactly why I started to just straight up lie/bluff when people ask me stuff. Why should I let them get a read on my hand?
28:00 I watched that game, and since Mana Vault was going to ping him, he would have lost in his draw unless he chooses to pay to untap, which means he has 0 mana. There is no line where he wins.
Hey guys just found the podcast but been loving it. Was curious what sources do you use to find cedh tourneys?
Good stuff! Kinnan doing his thing! ❤❤❤
As a meta player, but also as a rather experienced Slicer player, I would like to add on top of the commentary for round 5 that not every pod allows to make Slicer the focus in an efficient manner.
Mostly because the higher the number of alive players is, the stronger it is, and also the earlier one of the 4 players dies the weaker it is. Also you could have pods with multiple black colored commanders, and competent in the same way on top of that, which means two things. First the focus reasonably has to be redirected correctly to the turbo decks. Second that Slicer is a stax piece in and of itself, as it makes trading disadvangeously compulsory. Within this frame of reasoning what are by nature symmetric effects (such as boardwipes or in this case Slicer's presence) become, in practice, asymmetrical, as creature based decks become more affected by this stax kind of effect.
Personally I would have made an attempt to manipulate the Slicer player, with honest goodwill though, in killing the blue farm player first, since the minsc player could have easily be (in my experience) his most convenient last opponent. Also if I were piloting Slicer in an exactly similar pod, I would have declared with no doubts turn 0, that I would have focused Tymna Kraum that the other players should do the same, and that Slicer is not a menace until it's coming for your butt (I am required by law to say this last bit, don't judge, it's my gameplan).
Cheers from the northern italian cEDH community, fantastic content.
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- Eric Devaux
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@@ColorsAreACrutch 🥰
Congrats Max!
Thanks Kyle! Hope the new job is going well!
Couldn't you mystical Tutor for a tainted pact which would let you keep a few cards in the library in case a forced draw?
How is 2 lands + springleaf drum = turn 2 Manglehorn?
Hey max, regarding game 2. Did you have sheoldreds edict left in the library? I would say your one out would be searching on your endstep with wishclaw and casting that. But then he has wishclaw so who knows. Im not sure he couldve done anything because thats his last turn and talion was too expensive to recast
Edict was gone. His line was cast Yawg will, bounce cage, cast dark rit from gy, bounce copy artifact, play ca bounce chrome mox. Crack CA for a 0 mana rock, start the loop.
But he and I talked after the game, he did not see the line until well after we were done. So maybe I should have gambled he didn't find it on his turn. Then I win on mine by getting gilded drake.
@@ColorsAreACrutch yea its definitely alot of unknowns because you didnt know it was yawg’s will untill after the game. I just assume if somebody does that and offers the draw i go “that means they are hoping to get lucky on a topdeck and i want to make them have it” esp when winning the first 2 rounds makes the rest of your tournament strategy so different
You might be 100% right, it’s just hard to pass on the draw there looking at the board and realizing he was essentially one spell away from winning and was only offering the draw because he hadn’t yet seen what I saw.
I’ll see y’all at punt city
At an event, do you play your same list over and over?
Yes for a tournament you register one list that you cannot change for the duration of the event
Yes
You're 45?? Dude, I thought you were like 35..stg
I will take that as a compliment my man! -Max P
Second?
First?
You did it!
@@ColorsAreACrutchban sphinx😅