I just want folks to remember that show impressions are not reliable, as mentioned in this video. Do not make purchase considerations based on show impressions, wait for full, thorough reviews.
Thank you for visiting our booth at the High End show in Munich. And thank you for the high-caliber technical discussion about proper hearing with one's own ear-related transfer functions. This is exactly what sets the OAE1 apart. Compared to conventional headphones, it will sound different to many listeners because it's the first time they've listened with headphones using their own ear-related transfer function. This is unfamiliar, but ultimately better than always listening to music with someone else's ear-related transfer function. It takes a moment to get used to this new experience! Try it out. Take your time, use your own music and equipment and listen. Enjoy the music! Axel
Really respect what you've tried to do with the OAE1. The people it works for seem to really enjoy it. I imagine it suffers from a really long brain burn-in period that skews premature reviews. I hope to own a pair someday and give it a proper go.
A question regarding the part where you say, _"it will sound different to many listeners because it's the first time they've listened with headphones using their own ear-related transfer function,"_ how is it that we listen to other headphones with an ear-related transfer function that isn’t our own? I find it a bit counterintuitive to understand.
You know I've been twice now thanks to living in munich, and both times have I had multiple people next to me testing multiple $1000 daps...by connecting their Bluetooth headphones to it. I was at the cayin booth, and someone picked up a 500g, $3000 nutube dap and preceeded to exclusively listen it off his bose headphones. Like the tube sound was imparting its way into the headphone. I used to think audiophiles were deluded, I know believe they genuinely don't know.
@@FilipinaVegana Doesn’t matter? If it’s well made it’s well made. Chinese make some of the best products and some of the worst, they make almost everything So you can’t really base the products quality based on where it is made
I was there with my GF. We have a very fortunate relationship where even if i or her personally have no interest in something the other does, we do find enjoyment with them together. But even she knew when a headphone just sounded plain wrong. That was exactly our experience of the abyss stuff and that new Grell designed headphone. They're that bad.
Recently got the Caldera Closed and I love it. It changes a lot based on the amp and impedance. On the HA-300mkii it was a too warm in the treble, but on the Aegis and Burson Voyager it is honestly one of my favorite tunings. Can't wait to hear some of this new stuff at CanJam SoCal in the fall. Great video guys.
I have Telos Active grounding in my main Hifi system. It's an obvious improvement in sound quality. Telos look after customers and a dealer in Australia very well.
Yeah their stuff may sound out there at first glance but their resonators are based on Bill Stierhout's tech that's been in audio for about 20 years now (used or copied by Combak Harmonix, Telos, Nordost, Synergistic Research, Kemp Audio, HiFi Tuning, Audio Magic, etc.). Their power conditioners and grounding devices all use Duelund and Mundorf capacitors and aside from the resonators there's nothing above the norm. They use Schumann resonators in some of their stuff as well, again not new tech, not too out there. The stickers, are coated in typical things that can have benefit on a larger scale (graphene, rare earth oxides that are often anti-ferromagnetic, tourmaline for its' anionic properties, vanadium pentoxide for antistatic properties, etc.), but I don't know how well they'd work on a smaller scale; the stickers mainly seem meant for small capacitors, fuses, and the like. Their products all seem very well made, I've tried two of their devices, both had a benefit, you can tell they were made professionally. I've taken apart other devices by larger companies that looked much less impressive.
@@daviddier9865 I heard all three and while I admit the Bravura was a bit worse (could also be imagination though) even if I had the money for the Aperio or HE-1 I‘d get a Bravura It’s that good and they are not worth the price increase in any way Also the Bravura’s tuning was a little more up my alley than the other two I think He-1 had upfront vocals which didn’t seem all too natural in comparison I‘d say
@Tssukiii The problem with the aperio was it had bump around 1k, which made vocals sound strained and kinda boxy. The measurements back that up, but I seem to have become really sensitive to it. The bravura also had it, but far less so, it was the more balanced and coherent headphone of the two, so it's interesting to hear others' preference to it. I think if it was a rise into the upper midrange instead of a bump, I could of ignored it. The only other problem with them is that they are massively dynamically compressed for a wired headphone. People keep saying hifimans lack impact, but they're still worlds apart from the bravura. You play the opening of Dont Bring Me Down drum fill, and it becomes very obvious that it can't do what a conventional headphone can. It is better than the older staxs, though. I'm not saying it has no impact, far from it, only that the gap between e-stat and conventional headphones for dynamics is so enormous that there is still a long way to go. They told me the technology is so efficient that they can make it into a wireless system, which, for my use case of not wanting to be held to a desktop system, sound very compelling. Genuinely, when there is a aptx lossless or WiFi lossless headphone that is 90% of that, I'll pay quite a ridiculous amount for it, which I'm assuming should a product would demand.
@@x32i77 hmm weird, I was at around 12. But at home I would listen more quietly anyways, that was to compensate the show floor. Didn’t hear any distortion at that point though 🤷♂️
@@Tssukiii it's very song dependent. I was in the quiet booth with the CEO and engineering team . I showed them the distortions and they were absolutely shocked 😳 They couldn't believe it that they invented a faulty headphone . The song that I showed them was : ' Demi Moore from Phoebe Bridgers . The gold Aperio didn't distort but was on the edge at 90 DB The bravura almost died completely. They thought they had a defective unit first so they replaced the cable but this wasn't the case . It's the amp + the non BHD driver that they only reserved for the Aperio .
listened the 1st time to ZMF there (Atrium and Caldera) and ordered myself a LTD stabilized Atrium from the last drop :) can't wait for it to arrive. for me Caldera Open on solid state was better than Atrium, but on Tubes the Atrium had more magic to them.
I bought the Albas from USA. Course the couldent provide a 4.4 balaced cable i Sweden. I have them hooked up to a ifi audio hip dac 3. Its the endgame for me with iems!❤
I eventually gave in to fomo and ordered the Grell OAE1 so we’ll see what I think of it when it arrives, as long as the distortion is kept under control I guess I can use peq to tune to my preference, at the purchase price I don’t mind if I lose a bit selling it on.
It was really bad. The treble destroyed all timber of the midrange much like having too much mid bass does for the mids. (I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I've blind purchased too after getting such reception after)
Nelson Pass already did experiments on what harmonic distortion people prefer. I believe it was 1% negative phase second order. He even shows you how to make a second harmonic generator you can adjust to taste Golden. Pass reminded everyone that "The H2 works best with simple material. With complex material, second harmonic may be more of a burden than an asset. When you turn the knob to the left, which is negative-phase second harmonic, the room gets bigger, more atmospheric, you start to see images of musicians. Turn the knob right, you get positive-phase second harmonic, which brings the musicians closer to you: drier but more intimate, more apparent detail. But of course," Pass reminded us, grinning hugely," this is all illusion!" A man in the audience cleverly explained how the second harmonic is exactly one octave up from the fundamental and is "like a chorus of backup singers. As H2 distortion rises, the backup singers get louder."
Always shocked at how much background noise there is at these shows, how anybody can take a meaningful impression about an open back from them is surprising. Maybe overall tonality but quality and detail? I'd have so much doubt on my impressions of that.
Individual elements of a song, no. But you can very easily assess the timber and tonality of instruments and vocals, just like you can in a live performance. That's not really affected by auxiliary volume.
Yes, that was a big problem! I hope next year the High End Society will set up a “World of Headphones” hall without speaker demonstrations! Or we have to have a closed soundproof booth.
i found out first hand, how my hearing is affected by sound/hp recently got 2x iems, the first pair sounded horrible flat etc, it took my until the 2nd pair to push them in the ear, twist them and angle them until i heard bass... i dont want to do that again lol, but maybe those angled hp are up my alley or a hearing test
Either Andrew or Golden Sound. Have you ever had a chance to demo the SRM-T8000 on the SR-X9000? When you buy it as a bundle it comes down to $4500, while not cheap. How does it stack up to other premium options out there. Do they still still play in the same wheel house or is it completely overshadowed by other energizer options.
@daviddier9865 Just for the energizer. You get them as a package deal for $11,000. But the headphones themselves cost $6250. So you get something like a $1400 discount compared to buying them separately. And there are things I really like about it. Like being able to switch between sources or play two headphones at a time. It's a hybrid tube design, tube input stage and a solid state class A output stage. So seems like a recipe for a slightly tubey and lush sound signature. Something I really appreciate in an amp.
Yes, the es1a was made as a tribute to the Omega. I brought mine to canjam socal last year and even the stax rep thought they were omegas at first. One of my favorite headphones .
Andrew only smiled when that guy fell off that scooter. I'll see you at the London CanJam, Andrew. I promise...NAY, I VOW to make Andrew smile in London with my scooter in hand....never mind, the cans❤
I found it was solid with the Feliks Envy, but to be honest far away from solid for the price Of all the Endgames there I found the Bravura to be the best value and you already have a DAC/Amp with it Abyss 1266 was pretty good, but worse than the Bravura and still pricier without DAC and Amp And comfort was horrible
It was just as bad as their other models. I also had it on that Felix amp. It had way too much energy in the lower midrange around 1k, making vocals sound honky and unnatural like a drive-through speaker and had very sharp recession around 4k that swallows all fundamental harmonic of string instruments. It's for people who want to believe it mimics a live recording by pushing back harmonic overtones, making everything echo slightly, but that comes at the cost of vocals and instrumental timber being off by a substantial degree.
Heard it, sounded like a worse version of original Susvara, traded airyness and sweet mids for punch. But Caldera does it better, with similar punch but sweeter mids. Susvara Unveiled is more detailed though. OG Susvara still rules supreme on high end chains imho.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez lol ok... it's clear to me you have no experience with the Yamaha on a synergistic chain (emphasis on the synergistic chain), and probably put too much stock on its graph. Even if you didn't like its sound, assuming you've heard it, they're one of the most well-made and engineered headphones in the market. If you can't even see that, I don't know what to tell you. Probably not even worth explaining this to someone who has such strong beliefs against the high-end. But whatever, I've entertained you with this one comment. Just can't express an opinion nowadays, huh 🤷♂️
@@djhmax09 bro it felt like it was falling appart just by touching it. You compare that to the mezes or DCA stuff and it's a complete joke. I heard it on yamahas own system in Japan. Their set up. Its genuinely untenable. It has way too much energy in the lower midrange making vocals sound honky and unnatural like a drive-through speaker and has a Grand canyon level, very sharp recession in a pina region that swallows all fundamental harmonic of string instruments. It is a genuine failure in making an authentic reproduction of the human voice and instrumentation. You will never provide me a souce chain that will save something that is such a unmitigated failure.
The OAE1 is different! Try it. At home. With your music and your equipment. Don't compare with other headphones. This is the first time you hear headphones with your own ear related transfer function (without the help of 3D scans and DSPs).
I'm shocked that you found the SR-X1 trebly. Owners' impressions don't match that at all. I for one am very treble sensitive in certain regions (I find HiFiMans fatiguing, for example) and had no issue with them. I wonder if they changed them in the wake of the show.
@@Lost1ntheSauc3 I would describe it as definitely affordable, but definitely not competitive considering the far superior and better built Class A designs you can get on the used market for half the price.
some small suggestions.Take off glasses before test any iem or headphones. Glasses will make headphones leak sound. Glasses also change tonality of some iem
It would be cool if a team of infiltrationists, with rafts of Apple dongles concealed beneath the broad lapels of their jackets, seeded the show with free dongles and let the chips fall where they may. 🙂
@@jpined14 No point in having live live performers since audiophiles don’t care what the artist intended. I suppose you could put the musicians in a soundproof room and stream the performance live onto all the equipment. Yeah, that’s the ticket! 😎
@@Sturgon Even with sonic intensions aside, art is a form of communication. Whether everyone gets the same message is another question altogether. As a bony prehistoric fish, you would not be expected to know this.
@@x32i77 because the Susvara Unveiled is the highlight !, but they could only hint at that in the video, it might be the most important new product in years
@@x32i77 it's too early to say, and, isn't the Shangri La Mini based on old tech ? what matters is the sound, if the new Susvara sounds better and/or is easier to drive, it's important, because those are the best headphones in that price range for most reviewers (for me as well, but there are still a few i have not heard, like the Immanis) by the way, the Immanis is not new tech, Raal has been using ribbons for years
Thats why you buy used, because you can sell rhings for the same price as you bought it and dont get the impulse to buy something that will just be obsolete in 6 months
How can you not talk about something publicly shown at a show? 😂 And if you didn’t hear them at the show itself , then it wasn’t the highlight of the show but the trip. ☺️
Apparently it was behind closed doors and they naturally had a agreement not to talk about it until it was officially unvailed. The item in question was the new susvara.
Is Final going to be relevant again? Seems like their IEMs desperately need a refresh and/or dramatic price slashing to be competitive with ChiFi IEMs. They have way too many low-volume SKUs that you can't even get from most of their biggest online retail partners, and most SKUs are very old and are being out-competed by ChiFi IEMs a fifth their price. DMS' recent review of the Final D7000 and D8000 headphones made them seem like, just, total commercial flops with how niche the tuning is and expensive the prices are.
Axel Grell supposedly designed the Heavys headphone and I think it's pretty awful. Weak bass and extremely piercing treble. Odd 4 driver per earcup design. I sometimes wonder if he didn't actually design the HD 600 and just took credit for it for someone else under him on the design team because his solo works are just really pretty weird and, at least with the Heavys, not that good.
I have a genuine curiosity? Why is everyone so allergic to brightness in the treble. Treble is supposed to sound like that. Are reviewers listening to only certain kinds of music? Overtime people hear less treble anyways.
"Supposed to sound like that". Do you have any research data to come to that conclusion? Because they do, a lot of it. I think you simply misunderstood what they are describing.
Well... There is bright, airy treble and there is "Omfg turn it off! It burns my ears! Thats not detail, thats a hearing impairment in the work!" There was/is a trend to make hps overly bright to give the illusion of more detail. I actually like a bit of sparkle in my treble. I actually like the HD800 (no s). But a lot of hps (and amps) just overdo bright.
@@timkelmer1268 well i dont do any kind of research nor am i a hp reviewer regarding tunings and signature. What i do know is treble sounds a bit sharp in some cases. In what specific cases or why, i cant say.
Many fanboys are crying on headfi, because you guys can't accept the fact that other people can have opinions much different from yours. Those headphones are much overpriced... now cry more.
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I just want folks to remember that show impressions are not reliable, as mentioned in this video. Do not make purchase considerations based on show impressions, wait for full, thorough reviews.
Thank you for visiting our booth at the High End show in Munich. And thank you for the high-caliber technical discussion about proper hearing with one's own ear-related transfer functions. This is exactly what sets the OAE1 apart. Compared to conventional headphones, it will sound different to many listeners because it's the first time they've listened with headphones using their own ear-related transfer function. This is unfamiliar, but ultimately better than always listening to music with someone else's ear-related transfer function. It takes a moment to get used to this new experience! Try it out. Take your time, use your own music and equipment and listen.
Enjoy the music!
Axel
Herr Grell, please send a pair to Egghead, Manila.
Really respect what you've tried to do with the OAE1. The people it works for seem to really enjoy it. I imagine it suffers from a really long brain burn-in period that skews premature reviews. I hope to own a pair someday and give it a proper go.
A question regarding the part where you say, _"it will sound different to many listeners because it's the first time they've listened with headphones using their own ear-related transfer function,"_ how is it that we listen to other headphones with an ear-related transfer function that isn’t our own?
I find it a bit counterintuitive to understand.
You know I've been twice now thanks to living in munich, and both times have I had multiple people next to me testing multiple $1000 daps...by connecting their Bluetooth headphones to it. I was at the cayin booth, and someone picked up a 500g, $3000 nutube dap and preceeded to exclusively listen it off his bose headphones. Like the tube sound was imparting its way into the headphone. I used to think audiophiles were deluded, I know believe they genuinely don't know.
I can't imagine the level of cringe one must have experienced seeing that
That's not even half the cringe you get when you see all the people wearing headphones like the HD 800S backwards and not realizing it.
@@kNif68I thought it was natural to check for the markers every time lol
@@kNif68I cannot WAIT for footage of people listening to the Susvara Unveiled with the covers still on.
@Haydos I once told my friend to make sure he got the left and right correct and he said "does it matter?"
I love how the video starts with a Resolve Hot Take and me.
I secretly like Deamau5
@@ResolveReviews EMBRACE HIM!
@@ZReviews, you were the star of the show, Steven!
Don't trust a man who doesn't like Deadmau5 (early stuff)
deadmau5 is so good how dare you 😂
The look on your face when he said the meze alba was 150$ is priceless. Will definitely be buying that when it comes out. ❤
It was really that good. As good or better than the Advar (700$) and definitely better than the Rai Penta (1100$) and the Rai Solo (250$)
@@Tssukiii, but made in China, I am betting?
@@FilipinaVegana Doesn’t matter? If it’s well made it’s well made. Chinese make some of the best products and some of the worst, they make almost everything
So you can’t really base the products quality based on where it is made
So lucky, I would love to visit an audio show such as this and see all the technical marvels in audio.
You mean Listen to.. Right?
@@ahsanm.8455Oh yes definitely listen to, but also to see to them too.
Great meeting you at the show, see you soon in London!
So what is the thing that you were not allowed to mention in this video? It has been a month now so is that product or news now available?
I was there with my GF. We have a very fortunate relationship where even if i or her personally have no interest in something the other does, we do find enjoyment with them together. But even she knew when a headphone just sounded plain wrong. That was exactly our experience of the abyss stuff and that new Grell designed headphone. They're that bad.
That grell headphone has a 5 stars review on headfi. Thats what happens when sponsors are also your moderators.
The hard truth.
You posted this three hours before Herr Grell posted a comment in this comment section.
I hope he did (didn't) read it.
@FilipinaVegana he's a grown professional adult who knows how to take criticism. It is what it is.
I hope he read my comment, understand the difference to traditional headphones and give the OAE1 a chance.
Recently got the Caldera Closed and I love it. It changes a lot based on the amp and impedance. On the HA-300mkii it was a too warm in the treble, but on the Aegis and Burson Voyager it is honestly one of my favorite tunings. Can't wait to hear some of this new stuff at CanJam SoCal in the fall. Great video guys.
I don't see hows that possible. It has a linear impedance. The only thing that could possibly be affected by output impedance would be its volume.
@@daviddier9865 Not sure the why of it. The impedance doesn't just change the volume I can tell you that for certain.
I have Telos Active grounding in my main Hifi system. It's an obvious improvement in sound quality. Telos look after customers and a dealer in Australia very well.
Yeah their stuff may sound out there at first glance but their resonators are based on Bill Stierhout's tech that's been in audio for about 20 years now (used or copied by Combak Harmonix, Telos, Nordost, Synergistic Research, Kemp Audio, HiFi Tuning, Audio Magic, etc.). Their power conditioners and grounding devices all use Duelund and Mundorf capacitors and aside from the resonators there's nothing above the norm. They use Schumann resonators in some of their stuff as well, again not new tech, not too out there. The stickers, are coated in typical things that can have benefit on a larger scale (graphene, rare earth oxides that are often anti-ferromagnetic, tourmaline for its' anionic properties, vanadium pentoxide for antistatic properties, etc.), but I don't know how well they'd work on a smaller scale; the stickers mainly seem meant for small capacitors, fuses, and the like. Their products all seem very well made, I've tried two of their devices, both had a benefit, you can tell they were made professionally. I've taken apart other devices by larger companies that looked much less impressive.
Do you guys have plans to post Final Audio's talk? Sounds very interesting I'd really like to see it.
I think HA-300 was tunned with Susvara but that's for MkI. I assume that MkII is not far away though but in the end there is a tube differences.
Resolve and Golden Sound, my SUPER FAVORITE Headphone guys.
I'm hoping the Meze 105 is good. I like its appearance a lot. I haven't gotten a new headphone in years so I'm considering it.
Very happy I could take a pic with you in front of the Warwick booth :)
Now I only need the Bravura hahaha
I might of been in the same room as you. Was that on Sunday when they came in?
@@daviddier9865 Yes!
Ah, then I was sitting on the other side of the HE-1 with the aperio. You preferred the bravura to that?
@@daviddier9865 I heard all three and while I admit the Bravura was a bit worse (could also be imagination though) even if I had the money for the Aperio or HE-1 I‘d get a Bravura
It’s that good and they are not worth the price increase in any way
Also the Bravura’s tuning was a little more up my alley than the other two I think
He-1 had upfront vocals which didn’t seem all too natural in comparison I‘d say
@Tssukiii The problem with the aperio was it had bump around 1k, which made vocals sound strained and kinda boxy. The measurements back that up, but I seem to have become really sensitive to it. The bravura also had it, but far less so, it was the more balanced and coherent headphone of the two, so it's interesting to hear others' preference to it. I think if it was a rise into the upper midrange instead of a bump, I could of ignored it.
The only other problem with them is that they are massively dynamically compressed for a wired headphone. People keep saying hifimans lack impact, but they're still worlds apart from the bravura. You play the opening of Dont Bring Me Down drum fill, and it becomes very obvious that it can't do what a conventional headphone can. It is better than the older staxs, though. I'm not saying it has no impact, far from it, only that the gap between e-stat and conventional headphones for dynamics is so enormous that there is still a long way to go.
They told me the technology is so efficient that they can make it into a wireless system, which, for my use case of not wanting to be held to a desktop system, sound very compelling. Genuinely, when there is a aptx lossless or WiFi lossless headphone that is 90% of that, I'll pay quite a ridiculous amount for it, which I'm assuming should a product would demand.
My highlights were the Meze Alba and the Warwick Bravura, also the HD620S was very good for a 'cheap' closed-back
Bravura is absolutely faulty. It distorts so heavily that it is un-listenable
@@x32i77 I personally didn’t encounter any distortion. Maybe at 80-90db? I don’t listen that loud anymore
@@Tssukiii it's starting a 12 o clock
@@x32i77 hmm weird, I was at around 12. But at home I would listen more quietly anyways, that was to compensate the show floor. Didn’t hear any distortion at that point though 🤷♂️
@@Tssukiii it's very song dependent. I was in the quiet booth with the CEO and engineering team . I showed them the distortions and they were absolutely shocked 😳
They couldn't believe it that they invented a faulty headphone . The song that I showed them was : ' Demi Moore from Phoebe Bridgers .
The gold Aperio didn't distort but was on the edge at 90 DB
The bravura almost died completely.
They thought they had a defective unit first so they replaced the cable but this wasn't the case . It's the amp + the non BHD driver that they only reserved for the Aperio .
Did you try the closed back Aune SR7000? I heard it was a prototype with not yet final tuning and there to actually get feedback from KOL's
Great show guy .
Thanks .
The new iem from Meze look interesting 🧐
Random question but does anybody know how big of an upgrade the ZMF Caldera would be over the (2021) LCD-X?
listened the 1st time to ZMF there (Atrium and Caldera) and ordered myself a LTD stabilized Atrium from the last drop :) can't wait for it to arrive.
for me Caldera Open on solid state was better than Atrium, but on Tubes the Atrium had more magic to them.
I bought the Albas from USA. Course the couldent provide a 4.4 balaced cable i Sweden. I have them hooked up to a ifi audio hip dac 3. Its the endgame for me with iems!❤
You can not imagine in the slightest how hood hearing can get😁
GoldenSound's zeos impression is so damn good.,
I eventually gave in to fomo and ordered the Grell OAE1 so we’ll see what I think of it when it arrives, as long as the distortion is kept under control I guess I can use peq to tune to my preference, at the purchase price I don’t mind if I lose a bit selling it on.
It was really bad. The treble destroyed all timber of the midrange much like having too much mid bass does for the mids. (I'm not trying to make you feel bad, I've blind purchased too after getting such reception after)
Nelson Pass already did experiments on what harmonic distortion people prefer. I believe it was 1% negative phase second order. He even shows you how to make a second harmonic generator you can adjust to taste Golden. Pass reminded everyone that "The H2 works best with simple material. With complex material, second harmonic may be more of a burden than an asset. When you turn the knob to the left, which is negative-phase second harmonic, the room gets bigger, more atmospheric, you start to see images of musicians. Turn the knob right, you get positive-phase second harmonic, which brings the musicians closer to you: drier but more intimate, more apparent detail. But of course," Pass reminded us, grinning hugely," this is all illusion!"
A man in the audience cleverly explained how the second harmonic is exactly one octave up from the fundamental and is "like a chorus of backup singers. As H2 distortion rises, the backup singers get louder."
Guys, what headphones are these? 21:48
There are prototypes of the first Full-Size Planar headphones from Shanling ;)
Always shocked at how much background noise there is at these shows, how anybody can take a meaningful impression about an open back from them is surprising. Maybe overall tonality but quality and detail? I'd have so much doubt on my impressions of that.
Individual elements of a song, no. But you can very easily assess the timber and tonality of instruments and vocals, just like you can in a live performance. That's not really affected by auxiliary volume.
Yes, that was a big problem! I hope next year the High End Society will set up a “World of Headphones” hall without speaker demonstrations! Or we have to have a closed soundproof booth.
i found out first hand, how my hearing is affected by sound/hp recently got 2x iems, the first pair sounded horrible flat etc, it took my until the 2nd pair to push them in the ear, twist them and angle them until i heard bass... i dont want to do that again lol, but maybe those angled hp are up my alley or a hearing test
Thank you ❤❤❤❤
When we will be able to see video from the visit @ Feliks Audio?
So now that its months later: What was the highlight of the show that you were not allowed to talk about then? 26:39
So what was the highlight of the show?
The Alba from what it looks like on portable side and for speakers, the Sourcepoint 888
Either Andrew or Golden Sound. Have you ever had a chance to demo the SRM-T8000 on the SR-X9000? When you buy it as a bundle it comes down to $4500, while not cheap. How does it stack up to other premium options out there. Do they still still play in the same wheel house or is it completely overshadowed by other energizer options.
Wait, both of them together are $4500? You mean just the amp right?
@daviddier9865 Just for the energizer.
You get them as a package deal for $11,000. But the headphones themselves cost $6250.
So you get something like a $1400 discount compared to buying them separately.
And there are things I really like about it. Like being able to switch between sources or play two headphones at a time.
It's a hybrid tube design, tube input stage and a solid state class A output stage.
So seems like a recipe for a slightly tubey and lush sound signature. Something I really appreciate in an amp.
Excited to learn about the surprise standout product. I wonder what it is?
Yes, the es1a was made as a tribute to the Omega. I brought mine to canjam socal last year and even the stax rep thought they were omegas at first. One of my favorite headphones .
Shots n beer . Love you guys !!! 😹😹😹
Andrew only smiled when that guy fell off that scooter. I'll see you at the London CanJam, Andrew. I promise...NAY, I VOW to make Andrew smile in London with my scooter in hand....never mind, the cans❤
Did you spend time with the Susvara Unveiled? I just saw the press release
That might be what they mentioned they can't talk about yet. This was recorded a few days ago I'm assuming.
we will be excited for that full diana dz review 🙂
It's really bad. Even my girlfriend who has no idea about audio walked away from it in less than 30 seconds.
I found it was solid with the Feliks Envy, but to be honest far away from solid for the price
Of all the Endgames there I found the Bravura to be the best value and you already have a DAC/Amp with it
Abyss 1266 was pretty good, but worse than the Bravura and still pricier without DAC and Amp
And comfort was horrible
It was just as bad as their other models. I also had it on that Felix amp. It had way too much energy in the lower midrange around 1k, making vocals sound honky and unnatural like a drive-through speaker and had very sharp recession around 4k that swallows all fundamental harmonic of string instruments. It's for people who want to believe it mimics a live recording by pushing back harmonic overtones, making everything echo slightly, but that comes at the cost of vocals and instrumental timber being off by a substantial degree.
Did you guys hear anything about the Aune a17 amp?
New Hifiman Susvara Unveiled was the ultimate Highlight 🥹
Excellent video
Was the new Hifiman Susvara Unveiled the "highlight" of the show!?!?!?
Heard it, sounded like a worse version of original Susvara, traded airyness and sweet mids for punch. But Caldera does it better, with similar punch but sweeter mids. Susvara Unveiled is more detailed though. OG Susvara still rules supreme on high end chains imho.
@@amaya897and what do you think about Immanis . For me it was the best headphone of the show
@amaya897 was that at the home entertainment show?
@@En_Joshi-Godrez closed room at Munich Highend before the announcement :)
I will buy the Meze IEM
Get Mentor instead
I live in Japan. I'm jealous that there are so many expensive headphones that aren't sold in Japan.
But don't forget you guys have some of the best (for me the best) hps in the market, mainly talking about the Yamaha (imo).
@@djhmax09 the YH5000 is one of the worst headphones ever made.
@@djhmax09 please take your medication.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez lol ok... it's clear to me you have no experience with the Yamaha on a synergistic chain (emphasis on the synergistic chain), and probably put too much stock on its graph. Even if you didn't like its sound, assuming you've heard it, they're one of the most well-made and engineered headphones in the market. If you can't even see that, I don't know what to tell you. Probably not even worth explaining this to someone who has such strong beliefs against the high-end. But whatever, I've entertained you with this one comment. Just can't express an opinion nowadays, huh 🤷♂️
@@djhmax09 bro it felt like it was falling appart just by touching it. You compare that to the mezes or DCA stuff and it's a complete joke. I heard it on yamahas own system in Japan. Their set up. Its genuinely untenable. It has way too much energy in the lower midrange making vocals sound honky and unnatural like a drive-through speaker and has a Grand canyon level, very sharp recession in a pina region that swallows all fundamental harmonic of string instruments. It is a genuine failure in making an authentic reproduction of the human voice and instrumentation. You will never provide me a souce chain that will save something that is such a unmitigated failure.
I pre-ordered the OAE1, but many people seem to dislike it... Thinking about cancelling the order.
It was a hd 800 but tilted another 50% into the treble. Please stay away from it.
The OAE1 is different! Try it. At home. With your music and your equipment. Don't compare with other headphones. This is the first time you hear headphones with your own ear related transfer function (without the help of 3D scans and DSPs).
Don't buy into treble. Vote with your wallet.
@@axelgrell8206 Nice objectively nebulous statement you've made there
@@axelgrell8206 is that really you? Arn't you 60? Explain your tuning preferences. But even then, that lower treble is untenable.
I'm shocked that you found the SR-X1 trebly. Owners' impressions don't match that at all. I for one am very treble sensitive in certain regions (I find HiFiMans fatiguing, for example) and had no issue with them. I wonder if they changed them in the wake of the show.
Imagine riding a bike for 15 min to get there :o
Steven Wilson!!! YES!!!
Has hifiman ever made a competitive affordable amp
Yes, EF400. Depends what your sense of affordable is though I guess.
@@Lost1ntheSauc3 I would describe it as definitely affordable, but definitely not competitive considering the far superior and better built Class A designs you can get on the used market for half the price.
@@ChrisStoneinator Have you tried it? It's quite competitive I assure you.
some small suggestions.Take off glasses before test any iem or headphones. Glasses will make headphones leak sound. Glasses also change tonality of some iem
If you're not going to take them off while listening normally, why take off for a test?
And especially for iems, why?
Aune SR7000?
It would be cool if a team of infiltrationists, with rafts of Apple dongles concealed beneath the broad lapels of their jackets, seeded the show with free dongles and let the chips fall where they may. 🙂
It'd be cooler if we all got together, brought our own instruments and played some jazz standards.
@@jpined14 No point in having live live performers since audiophiles don’t care what the artist intended. I suppose you could put the musicians in a soundproof room and stream the performance live onto all the equipment. Yeah, that’s the ticket! 😎
@@GadZookz you are trying to be a parody of a fool, or are you actually one? Artist intention doesn't exist and never will.
@@Sturgon Even with sonic intensions aside, art is a form of communication. Whether everyone gets the same message is another question altogether. As a bony prehistoric fish, you would not be expected to know this.
@@Sturgon Poor Michael. 🤭
The highlight of the show is definitely hifiman mini Shangri La
thats what we thought then :), not anymore
@@nitraM321 why not anymore ?
@@x32i77 because the Susvara Unveiled is the highlight !, but they could only hint at that in the video, it might be the most important new product in years
@@nitraM321 kinda strange since it's based on old technology. Raal Immanis is way more interesting
@@x32i77 it's too early to say, and, isn't the Shangri La Mini based on old tech ? what matters is the sound, if the new Susvara sounds better and/or is easier to drive, it's important, because those are the best headphones in that price range for most reviewers (for me as well, but there are still a few i have not heard, like the Immanis) by the way, the Immanis is not new tech, Raal has been using ribbons for years
Congrats, Resolve, on embracing the look #iykyk lol
no dca?
Resolve please, but your hat on. It's blinding as looking at the direct sun.
Nice to see a lot of oddball headphones with "whacky" tunings. Dead neutral is boring. 15:06
Gotta build tough headphones.
So highlight of the show is Susvara Unveiled and Caldera Closed. Meze Alba is a clear cut winner and potentially a serious market disruptor.
Where was it?! They only unveiled it at the start of this month.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez HiFiMan had a private showing for multiple resellers at Munich High End. Jude from HeadFi stated this in his last video.
@kevintj604 and you got in. How?
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Who said I was there?
@kevintj604 because you said "highlight" Kinda implied you were talking about your own experience, not what you had heard.
If you wait a couple months there will be a new headphone coming out. Then, wait another two months for the next. So on and so on.
Thats why you buy used, because you can sell rhings for the same price as you bought it and dont get the impulse to buy something that will just be obsolete in 6 months
Unless I was blind several times, this video was not findable in your Live OR Videos categories.
Listen to Poetry in Motion by Roger Bonner
Hi, have you tried Verum 1 or Verum 2 headphones?
Verum headphones won't be covered, discussed or reviewed here.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow Are there any reasons why?
@@gelgel4823the guy that makes them being an abhorrent racist and threatening to send anthrax to a reviewer would probably be sufficient reasons....
@@gelgel4823probably the racism/bigot thing and potentially sending anthrax to a reviewer.
@@TheHEADPHONEShowwhy
Anyone have a spare few grand 😇😂 Enjoyed this. Thank you kindly, great stuff.
They say you can't take it all with you...
17:45 Lmaoo
35:07 exactly wat they all hear with slamy amps. Distortion, nothing more nothing less.
How can you not talk about something publicly shown at a show? 😂 And if you didn’t hear them at the show itself , then it wasn’t the highlight of the show but the trip. ☺️
Apparently it was behind closed doors and they naturally had a agreement not to talk about it until it was officially unvailed. The item in question was the new susvara.
Go Meze !!!!!!
What kind of music does the English guy listen to?
I don't appreciate the deadmau5 slander I'll have you know
Is Final going to be relevant again? Seems like their IEMs desperately need a refresh and/or dramatic price slashing to be competitive with ChiFi IEMs. They have way too many low-volume SKUs that you can't even get from most of their biggest online retail partners, and most SKUs are very old and are being out-competed by ChiFi IEMs a fifth their price. DMS' recent review of the Final D7000 and D8000 headphones made them seem like, just, total commercial flops with how niche the tuning is and expensive the prices are.
Antonio Meze... the Mate Rimac of Hifi 😏
“Show impressions are crap” Resolve
You should've talked to the snake oil cable makers in there, picked their brain a little bit about how the snake oil market is still thriving.
No No No - Spatial Audio is not the future. It sounds terrible in headphones and head tracking is dumb
Axel Grell supposedly designed the Heavys headphone and I think it's pretty awful. Weak bass and extremely piercing treble. Odd 4 driver per earcup design. I sometimes wonder if he didn't actually design the HD 600 and just took credit for it for someone else under him on the design team because his solo works are just really pretty weird and, at least with the Heavys, not that good.
You wasted the entire sennheiser review on NOTHING but treble and headsize? Seriously?
I had never heard anyone pronounce ZMF as zed-MF before.
How much is exhibiting cost for a company? Who pays it, if not us consumers? Give me a good price and a great sound and i don't care about f*** shows
Please go back yo the unemployment office. People have jobs to afford nice things unlike you.
I have a genuine curiosity? Why is everyone so allergic to brightness in the treble. Treble is supposed to sound like that. Are reviewers listening to only certain kinds of music? Overtime people hear less treble anyways.
"Supposed to sound like that". Do you have any research data to come to that conclusion? Because they do, a lot of it. I think you simply misunderstood what they are describing.
Or you are a deluded beyer old head that think the 990s are "perfectly balanced".
Well...
There is bright, airy treble and there is
"Omfg turn it off! It burns my ears! Thats not detail, thats a hearing impairment in the work!"
There was/is a trend to make hps overly bright to give the illusion of more detail.
I actually like a bit of sparkle in my treble. I actually like the HD800 (no s).
But a lot of hps (and amps) just overdo bright.
One person's sparkly treble is another's amazon return, it is the way she goes.
@@timkelmer1268 well i dont do any kind of research nor am i a hp reviewer regarding tunings and signature. What i do know is treble sounds a bit sharp in some cases. In what specific cases or why, i cant say.
Raal Immanis is the best headphone I've ever heard . I totally disagree what you heard , like for real 🤦
Please go back to headfi with all the other deaf people.
Many fanboys are crying on headfi, because you guys can't accept the fact that other people can have opinions much different from yours. Those headphones are much overpriced... now cry more.
@@resottolamontagna904 did you just like your own comment ?🤣